Sex trafficking, Dr Phil

[ZoeZee]

Recently there was a show on Dr phil that featured a woman who was sex trafficked since birth. She was born into it. Was used for sex since she was an infant. As an adult she was trafficked much like a touring SP. She had hair and make up, professional photos etc.

I wonder how many women whose services are described as mechanical plus language barrier are trafficked.

As a pooner, do you consider these things?

Seeing that episode has really stuck with me and still bothers me


Thoughts?

 

[Warl0ck]

The assumption is that trafficked or pimped = constantly under the thumb of a pimp with frequent threats of violence. This is not always the case. For example, a trafficked sex worker might have relatively open freedom but be warned that if she strays, etc, "her sister will be next".

 

[escapefromstress]

If you can stomach it, read The Franklin Cover-Up by John DeCamp.

Thanks, I hadn't heard of this one yet.

'The Franklin Cover-Up' author talks about how he linked Sandusky and Penn State abuse scandal years ago

http://www.reddirtreport.com/around-world/franklin-cover-author-talks-about-how-he-linked-sandusky-and-penn-state-abuse-scandal

 

[westwoody]

As a pooner, do you consider these things?

Absolutely. I remember seeing pimps beating girls right on the lawn of the courthouse on the Georgia high track in the seventies.

That gave me a lifelong hatred of pimp scum.

Pimps were pretty conspicuous in Calgary, Winnipeg and Vancouver in the seventies and eighties. They very creepy.

You still see them here in Winnipeg. Most of the backpage ads involve pimps, even if nobody wants to acknowledge it.

 

[escapefromstress]

Recently there was a show on Dr phil that featured a woman who was sex trafficked since birth. She was born into it. Was used for sex since she was an infant. As an adult she was trafficked much like a touring SP. She had hair and make up, professional photos etc.

Here's the article about this woman. http://filmingcops.com/elite-pedophile-politicians-cops-raped-child-now-shes-alerting-public/

 

[tiger69]

Most definitely, I worked for a time as the "muscle" for a sex operation when I was younger, so got to see some of that behind the scene shite. This is why I won't visit those Asian shops, micros, whatever the new format may be because I would feel like I am tipping into the human trafic jar. I mean you see these ads/girls that appear, they hardly know the language, they don't know the culture, they're gone a month later, you know what's going on- they certainly aren't doing this to them selves. Anyone ever ponder what happen when they're gone, and the newest shipment arrive, what happen to the old ones? I think the general believe is they somehow go back to Korea, China, whatever to continue their previous life, and for the most part, I like to believe that is so. But could it be that a few of them just end up in unmarked graves?

 

[burcs]

I wonder how many women whose services are described as mechanical plus language barrier are trafficked.

As someone who sees SPs who are often described as 'mechanical with a language barrier', I feel obliged to speak up when I see crazy scenarios as quoted below.

Anyone ever ponder what happen when they're gone, and the newest shipment arrive, what happen to the old ones? I think the general believe is they somehow go back to Korea, China, whatever to continue their previous life, and for the most part, I like to believe that is so. But could it be that a few of them just end up in unmarked graves?

I haven't seen EVERY single SP ever, so I can only advise from my own experiences:
1) The Dr. Phil segment takes sex trafficking to the extreme. I don't doubt that this could happen anywhere but to imply that it happens more with Asian SPs here is a bit of crazy talk. The poor woman has gone through a ton of trauma in her life but I figure her to be born in the 70s or 80s. Shit like that doesn't happen in first world countries in the day and age where cell phones (back then 90s/00s) and smart phones (now) exist. Maybe once in a blue moon you'll see someone as such but you'd be silly to think they would be working at some random Asian micro.
2) These 'mechanical girls with language barriers', as I said, have phones and some freedom when they're working here. Most of them still cook their own food, do some shopping (yeah they'll only shop downtown), and sightsee on occasion. They have some aspirations (sometimes believable, sometimes not) of what they'd like to do with the money they make and the things they like to do. Some 'agency girls' are popular enough to eventually start working as indies so they can keep more money for themselves. Other times there are girls that work part-time because they're actually working to fund an education here.
3) These girls move around Canada once they arrive (usually on tourist visa). Some of the 'better' ones might stick around for longer than the ones who are 'worse', but they move on to other cities (most notably Toronto) because pooners have addictive cravings of shiny new things. Fortunately, I don't think you'll find any Korean and Chinese SPs in unmarked graves around these parts. But you might want to check terb or CAF to see if they've resurfaced (not in body bags). For the most part, a handler arranges their move between agencies, but it's not anything that they didn't agree with.
4) You might ask, "well if they're not being trafficked why are they here?". Korea and to a slightly lesser extent China, are first world countries, the cities that these girls come from are very urbanized, unlike the mental picture that I think a lot of you have when you think about trafficked SPs. No, they're not sold by their families in third world countries. Much like their western counterparts, they choose the line of profession to pay some fucking bills. 'They don't know the language, they don't know the culture' should tell you how hard these ladies work for their money around these parts. You'll rarely find an Asian SP under 30 around because like you said, they prefer to work in the comfort of their culture and surroundings. There are only Chinese aunties around these parts because due to the shortage of girls in China, the 'better' ones won't have trouble finding a 'set for life' ticket and the ones that may eventually end up working as a SP can easily do so without travelling overseas. You may see more Koreans around here because the Korean sex industry is incredibly saturated with supply AND demand. I read somewhere (could be wrong) that they're the greatest exporter of 'prostitutes' in the world. It should be no surprise that some have ended up here.

 

[Caramel]

OMG I saw that!!! I was going to make a thread about it here I thought about it. I don't know what to believe, it just sounds so outrageous, I thought about it for days after and had nightmares too. Just the thought of her and others like her being trafficked and raped since INFANCY, a BABY!!! I have no words, it's beyond evil and sick. That part I know it happens all over the world, but the craziest part I don't get is how people in high positions of society are doing this, like politicians and rich & famous people, etc. Really makes you wonder about the world in a different way, how could you ever know if a man is into that kind of stuff secretly? Especially a beloved public figure, it boggles my mind and it makes me sad.

 

[sdw]

OMG I saw that!!! I was going to make a thread about it here I thought about it. I don't know what to believe, it just sounds so outrageous, I thought about it for days after and had nightmares too. Just the thought of her and others like her being trafficked and raped since INFANCY, a BABY!!! I have no words, it's beyond evil and sick. That part I know it happens all over the world, but the craziest part I don't get is how people in high positions of society are doing this, like politicians and rich & famous people, etc. Really makes you wonder about the world in a different way, how could you ever know if a man is into that kind of stuff secretly? Especially a beloved public figure, it boggles my mind and it makes me sad.

It happens because the people that have everything think that their shit doesn't stink.

People probably remember that guy that headed the IMF and his rape of a hotel maid. He was able to walk away from it because the hotel maid was a black immigrant and he was a rich, powerful leader of the IMF. THEN, people started talking about his parties.

Or, the guy for Christian Children's Fund who likes to use his latest toy in his fund raising videos.

There is a huge market for white sex providers. If a young lady wants to "earn" enough to pay for her education and she's blonde, she just needs to spend an year in Dubai, Tokyo or Hong Kong. There is also a huge market for white sex slaves. Someday, a TV investigation will track where "adopted" children go.

In China and North Korea there are schools/facilities that "train" children for their role in the sex trade. There are lots of men that like the product. Even the product rejected by the consumers back home.

 

[Warl0ck]

It happens because the people that have everything think that their shit doesn't stink.

People probably remember that guy that headed the IMF and his rape of a hotel maid. He was able to walk away from it because the hotel maid was a black immigrant and he was a rich, powerful leader of the IMF. THEN, people started talking about his parties.

Or, the guy for Christian Children's Fund who likes to use his latest toy in his fund raising videos.

There is a huge market for white sex providers. If a young lady wants to "earn" enough to pay for her education and she's blonde, she just needs to spend an year in Dubai, Tokyo or Hong Kong. There is also a huge market for white sex slaves. Someday, a TV investigation will track where "adopted" children go.

In China and North Korea there are schools/facilities that "train" children for their role in the sex trade. There are lots of men that like the product. Even the product rejected by the consumers back home.

The Anonymous hacking collective had a major operation going called OpDeathEaters which focused on child abuse & child trafficking. I didn't pay that much attention but I do remember them releasing some interesting information. Look at the accusations against Saville at the BBC. The guy was allegedly a monster.

My own personal belief is that child trafficking is more common than people believe it is. I've seen what appears to be extremely well organized setups designed to exploit kids. They're well funded, they appear legit & they raise an eyebrow. Of course raising my eyebrow isn't cause for charges or even an investigation.

 

[sevenofnine]

its kind of why I stuck with one sp,
and had long supper dates with her on a weekly or biweekly basis,

I know her, maybe better then anyone or she knows her self, and she knows me. because im a client as well as a friend she lets into intimate personal affairs.
I don't think anyone knows her from a personal life and from the business side of things.

to be perfectly honest, I think were all screwed up.
I don't think love or sex is meant to be bought or sold not the best way to experience it,
but its far from a perfect world.
I sure as hell am not perfect,

just muddling through the best I can.
I think that is all we can do is try, try to make sure the person were with is ok and leave them the same or better then when we found them.

 

[escapefromstress]

The Anonymous hacking collective had a major operation going called OpDeathEaters which focused on child abuse & child trafficking. I didn't pay that much attention but I do remember them releasing some interesting information. Look at the accusations against Saville at the BBC. The guy was allegedly a monster.

My own personal belief is that child trafficking is more common than people believe it is. I've seen what appears to be extremely well organized setups designed to exploit kids. They're well funded, they appear legit & they raise an eyebrow. Of course raising my eyebrow isn't cause for charges or even an investigation.

Thanks for mentioning Anonymous. They do a lot of good work when it comes to taking down child porn sites. We were discussing them in a recent thread on terb, so I'll quote my post here:

"I'll post carefully here and the Mods can edit if they think I'm oversharing.

Anonymous members contacted me regarding cybercrimes I reported involving members of the Vancouver industry. Those alleged cybercriminals eventually ended up continuing their alleged (innocent until proven guilty in a court of law) cybercrimes on several Toronto forums, including the 'old cesspool'. (not to be confused with the current blue cesspool)

Anonymous had been observing one person in particular, so when they saw that I was having issues with this person, that's what motivated them to contact me. (I've passed on this info to perb Mods.)

A black hat Anon was upset enough to join perb and post about what was happening. That scared the crap out of me, and everyone else. I was terrified when Anon's first started contacting me, because I didn't know anything about them or what they were trying to do.

We actually discussed what was happening on the old cesspool, and I was told that the blatant criminal activity taking place on that website owned by RS, was enough to possibly have action taken against them. I was told that if that was to happen, it would have to come from overseas somewhere. This was several years ago now, so things have probably changed since then.

It is interesting to note that Anonymous does pay close attention to our forums and will act if they find a serious reason to do so. I think they're more likely to doxx problematic individuals, than to try to take down an entire board.

I repeat what I was told before, that afaik, no action has ever been taken against p/t/merb and they wouldn't be interested in doing so unless they suspected we were involved with child sexual abuse and exploitation - and I guess I should add trafficking of sex workers.

The Anon's I've communicated with were high profile and highly respected in the BC and Canadian community. I'll always be grateful to them for teaching me how to stay safe and anonymous online, as they were way ahead of the learning curve for most people in the escort industry.

When cyberbullies posted me (and Fred and perb Mods) on TheDirty, they couldn't 'out' me because there was nothing to out. I've never posted a face pic or full nude shot, never used my real name on anything connected to the industry, and I have no skeletons in my closet, so all they could do was post lies and defame my reputation. I actually got clients from TheDirty article because the trolls posted a really hot pic of me. Even Nik Richie commented and said I had a nice ass for a milf.

Anonymous didn't attack the old cesspool afaik, it was taken offline due to RS being taken to court by several industry members. I won't post details here, but I know exactly who did what to make it happen - and I taught them how to do it after I learned how to apply Internet Defamation Laws to our industry forums.

Sometimes Anonymous does what no one else is capable of doing, and if it's for a good cause, I thank them for it.

Anonymous does a lot of good work on behalf of the industry, and they have groups dedicated to exposing those who abuse sex workers and children."


Anonymous hack Freedom Hosting II, lock down nearly 10,000 dark web websites accessible through Tor

By Vijay Prabhu on FEBRUARY 4, 2017

The world’s leading online hacktivist group, Anonymous is known for its million march protests, DDoS attacks and hackings in the online world. However, what is unknown is its DDoS attacks and hackings on the dark web domains. One such attack was launched today by an Anonymous-affiliated group, which took down nearly 10,000 onion websites which are accessible only through Tor browser.

Visitors to more than 10,000 Tor-based websites were met with an alarming announcement this morning: “Hello, Freedom Hosting II, you have been hacked.”.The Anonymous announced the hack attack on Twitter and said that they took down these dark websites to protest against child porn and drug peddling. These 10,813 websites were still offline at the time of writing this article.

In the message to Freedom Hosting II, Anonymous has offered to sell the compromised data back to them for a token ransom of 0.1 bitcoin, or just over $100, although it is unclear whether the offer is in earnest.

Anonymous claimed that they have stolen the data from the hacked servers and found that child pornography made up more than half the data stored on the servers. While it is impossible to verify Anonymous claim about child porn being stored on dark web servers, empirical evidence proves that they may be right. The original Freedom Hosting was hacked by FBI and other law enforcement in 2013, resulting in a number of child pornography prosecutions. At the time, the service hosted as many as half of the websites accessible only through Tor, commonly referred to as the Dark Web.

https://www.techworm.net/2017/02/hac...-dark-web.html



Rehteah Parson's dad says that without Anonymous those who sexually assaulted and then persecuted his daughter would never have been charged.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...service=mobile
While experts and officials decry recent instances of vigilantism by the hacktivist group Anonymous, one beneficiary of the group’s activism is adamant that justice would never have been served without involvement by the clandestine organization.

Glen Canning said he believes Anonymous’ threats to publicly identify the boys allegedly involved in the cyberbullying that predated his daughter Rehtaeh Parsons’ death prompted Halifax police to reopen their investigation and eventually lay charges.

...

 

[Warl0ck]

I'd question anything Dr Phil or any "infotainment" program brings forward as the truth. These shows often find the most outrageous example and set that as the norm. It's a tactic used by media too, whether it's left wing or right wing. It almost never reflects the reality. Dr Phil's audience WANTS to be outraged. So that's just what he does.

 

[sybian]

I'd question anything Dr Phil or any "infotainment" program brings forward as the truth. These shows often find the most outrageous example and set that as the norm. It's a tactic used by media too, whether it's left wing or right wing. It almost never reflects the reality. Dr Phil's audience WANTS to be outraged. So that's just what he does.

Which is why he always asks, when the discussion gets a little stale, or his backwoods education gets in the way....." How's that been work in' for yah ?"


In the US ,if it's not sensationalized ,or if it's to boring using the actual facts, it isn't considered legitimate entertainment.

 

[uncleg]

Something about that show didn't exactly pass the smell test. Do the situations described exist.....yes, at least some of it. What bothers me though is....how the hell did she get away from her "owner" to appear on Dr. Phil ? With the kind of high profile clientele she claims to have been servicing I would think she would have been kept in a much more secure environment then it seems she was.