seems like some racism is ok

normisanas

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That’s funny, from your posting history I would not have thought that you believe in collective punishment in addition to a double standard.
Imagine my surprise.
No I don't believe in collective punishment (she should not have been punished, I did say it was horrible what she went through). Nor do I believe in a double standard: it's not ok for one but ok for another.

You didn't get the drift obviously. I was talking about EMPATHY, and when a person belongs to a group of people who has the power and complains about how they have been treated by those who are marginalized, they shouldn't be doing it as though it is a level playing field, even if their complaints are legitimate (as it was in this case).

You see, that's the crux of the problem with what they call "white privilege", it seems to be a vague term guys like you think you know but you really don't. What it is, is forgetting the past, ignoring the present, assuming all is equal, looking for exceptions, looking for examples that would provide a greater position, and a lack of empathy.
 

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Empathy is feeling what they feel, how does that justify what someone else is doing to you or others?
Should she have stood there, waiting to be assaulted and apologise for what others have done before she was born?
What does empathy have to do with a level playing field?
That is indeed a double standard that you are rationalizing with your non-level playing field.

Anyone’s actions are either good or bad, there is no such thing as an excuse.



Hubris, that pretty much nulls what you say as you have a problem with separating fact with your opinion.

Go apologise, go marching, join a church so you can make up for someone else’s sin and tithe if you wish, but keep your guilt to yourself.
Perhaps a lot of pooners were born with a Silver spoon and have the luxury of supporting every cause that attacks their own Privileged White ass trying to look above it all, understanding, or like they're "in the know" ;)?
But believe it or not buddy, some of us were born poor, with far less than most marginalized groups and had to claw our way up without any quota’s, funding or birth-right to aid us in our struggle being told that we can’t be hired because we don’t speak Cantonese.

Keep your smugness and your judgements to yourself.
You may think that you are psychic or omnipotent but I assure you that you have no idea of what I have gone through to become even lower middle class.
Born White trash living next to the reserve, ass kicked daily for being White, just as poor but without the free degree, cheap smokes, gas or other advantages.
Rather than spend my life bitching about everyone else’s privilege and waiting for my handout, I did what I had to do to be where I am supporting four dependants and still able to poon a little, though not as often as I would like.

I doubt that most people complaining about White Privilege could make it out of what I did without welfare, 12 steps, nervous breakdowns and the luck of a dog with two dicks.
The only privilege I have was created from within.

VERY well stated, LIJ good on you.
 

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It is horrible, and I don't think anyone ever should be subjected to such a thing. I feel all people are equal, and I'm not sure that its "not as bad" for Caucasians, if that's what you're implying.... (Of course, correct me if I'm wrong)or that anon-Caucasian would be more hurt by these experiences than I would... We are all human being with hearts, souls, feelings and sensitivities... Nobody should ever go out of their way to hurt or discriminate against another human being regardless of race, creed, class or color.... And I think anyone exposed to this kind of thing would be equally hurt... Just from my personal experiences....
And it's not a white dominated world, by the way.... U can google stats of the world population if you care to...

Yes, what you experienced was racism. It's horrible, isn't it? Made you feel scared, threatened, devalued, and you were just being yourself too! What's wrong with being white? Nothing, you were born that way. Is it right that they did that to you? No!! You did nothing wrong! You were always nice to people no matter what colour they are. In fact, you probably say you are colour blind, and it's they who are not colour blind! It's not right that they treated you that way! You're a decent person! You treat everyone fairly! You are the type to go out and help someone in time of need! You have friends of any and ever colour! You are a law abiding citizen! You're an honest person! You earn every single penny you made without any handouts! You don't deserve to be treated that way!!!!

Welcome to the world of racism. It was horrible for you, but think how horrible it was for these people of colour who live in a white-dominated world. Nobody has to yell at them and call them names, they experience racism in one form or another every day. They have white people criticizing them for their customs, the way they do things, the way they drive, how they speak, their accents, how they eat, their manners, how loud they are, how they talk, etc. Maybe not afforded the same opportunities, maybe they think whites are given preferential treatment when applying for the same job or a loan, maybe they didn't get a smile from the McDonald's server and they think it was their colour, maybe the police officer wasn't taking them seriously because of their colour but they take the white neighbour's complaints seriously. Just every day things. And they are not colour blind like you can be, because they can't afford to be. They see colour all the time, they are forced to living in a world that makes their colour the subject of rejection.

It's not right what they did to you! But remember, it's a backlash for generations and generations of living under white-dominated rule. So for a white person to scream how unfair it is when they are the subject of racist attacks, try what Jesus said: walk a mile in the other person's shoes.
 

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It is horrible, and I don't think anyone ever should be subjected to such a thing. I feel all people are equal, and I'm not sure that its "not as bad" for Caucasians, if that's what you're implying.... (Of course, correct me if I'm wrong)or that anon-Caucasian would be more hurt by these experiences than I would... We are all human being with hearts, souls, feelings and sensitivities... Nobody should ever go out of their way to hurt or discriminate against another human being regardless of race, creed, class or color.... And I think anyone exposed to this kind of thing would be equally hurt... Just from my personal experiences....
And it's not a white dominated world, by the way.... U can google stats of the world population if you care to...


excellent points,Cami,

however, don't confuse him with facts and logic, his (narrow) mind is made up
 

Miss*Bijou

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I'm sorry but this is just too much not to say anything. It goes from silly to totally fucking ridiculous and clueless and it's painful to witness. OMG.



something that seems to get overlooked in the white man-stole-the-land bleatings is that,long before the arrival of europens,the various tribes
did not co-exist in perfect harmony.
they had conflicts and when one tribe defeated another "to the victors go the spoils" prevailed.
the men of the defeated tribe became worker-slaves,if they were not tortured to death, and the women became slaves
to serve in whatever way the winners desired including being sexual prizes.
the last slavery in North America was not on Civil War era plantations, but in northern B.C. and Queen Charlotte \islands
in the late 19th century,well after it was outlawed in the US.
the Europeans who came here did not invent taking the land from its owners.

Are you for fucking real? What does any of that have to do with racism? You really do not get it, don't want to get it or even try and think you have all the answers already. It makes you look clueless. Even if you're still not going to agree, the least you could do is actually listen and contemplate what people are telling you instead of listening (reading) to yourself talk (write) the same lame shit over and over again. You are arrogant. And contrary to what you seem to believe, every single last one of your posts on this thread has demonstrated exactly what the term "white privilege" means.. AND that people obviously still internalize (and in your case, very much externalize as well) racist attitude in society... yet you're still completely oblivious and trying to claim the exact obvious of what you're demonstrating. :rolleyes:


We are not colour blind, you are not colour blind (obviously) You can choose not to listen or try to understand what people are suggesting to you, you can stick to your beliefs and stubbornly hold on to them by ignoring anything that might contradict but drop the arrogant attitude as if you've provided any real or convincing argument...because you haven't so you can stop acting as if you had. Sheesh. Talk about close minded. Why even start this thread if you have no interest in listening to anyone else other than yourself. It's not like anything you have to say is new and hasn't been said a million times before. If you ever read anything about racism, you'd be embarrassed at how typical and unoriginal (and I would add, lazy) your "arguments" are.

On another thread, I replied to another silly comment along the lines of this thread by saying that was disingenuous because I figured someone would have to be to say what you said. I have to apologize and take it back because in order to be disingenuous you would have had to understand it and then choose to pretend it didn't exist. This thread makes it clear (to me, at least) that you don't even get it to begin with. Not because it's complicated, you not able to or because you're stupid - just because you don't care, you're not even interested and you've decided you've already figured it out and know it all. So 'disingenuous' is incorrect. Wilfully ignorant is, however. Suit yourself, it's not anyone else's loss but your own. *shrug* But ffs stop patting yourself on the back, it just makes it even more ridiculous and frankly is painful and embarrassing to have to watch.








This is the actual meaning of racism. Don't bother with the one sentence you find in the dictionary about "fearing" some race or another. This is what we all should be thinking when using the words "racism", "discrimination", "prejudice". They are all related but they are not interchangeable.


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There's no such thing as 'reverse racism'








normisanas wrote "not much has changed since the 60's" Read that quote again.
compare Vancouver's statistics re ethnic population today to the 60's,normi.that should give you a clue.
as for the term "exotic"....I think you'll find white girls who use that term to describe themselves,possibly even
here on Perb ads.
re the movies....unless your viewing is restricted to TCM you'll find non-white heroes, eg Will Smith,Denzel Washington,Morgan Freeman
Jackie Chan,et al
and non-white beauties eg Jada Smith,Vivica Fox,Nia Long,Lisa Liu,Michelle Yeo.
seriously, you should get out to a movie now and then.
if you still stereotype Asians into accountants and are surprised to see Afro-Amer's as doctors and lawyers then I
guess you are unable/unwilling to see that times have changed, i.e. this ain't the 60's.
as for Obama,yes he is scrutinized, but what president is not?goes with the job.
Your comment "the world was made in your image".....who made this world?if it was made by whites, why did they do it and
not some other race?
to repeat..
you wrote "the world was made in your image"..who made this world?if it was made by whites,why did they do it and not some other race?
hmmm, I guess,and I stress it's only a guess, that you are saying that whites made this world you are talking about?
WHY do you suppose it was whites who made this image-of-the-world you refer to?why not blacks, for example?or Asians?
no you didn't normi...why was it the whites made this image?
you either cannot or will not aanswer this.
you have twice told me I am "crying my little heart out"...news flash normi, I'm not.
in the original post I pointed out a discrepancy....according to the bleeding-heart do-gooders we are all EQUAL,which I wonder if you
agree with.
I merely pointed out that a minority can get away with language that the above-mentioned do-gooders abhor...except it's ok
because of historical injustice
quick reminder..it is 2013.
you accuse me of being "blind" well yes, I am "color" blind
and my vision is good enough to know we are not in the 60's.
back to my question that you are unwilling/unable to answer....WHY was it the white race that made this "image-of -the -world" and not some other?
Do you have anything else than lame cliches to regurgitate. Color blind? I’m glad your vision makes you able to know what year it is. You must be proud, it’s such an accomplishment. I guess when you’re that clueless, you take whatever you can and be happy about it.

That “argument” you’ve dragged on from post to post somehow convinced it’s big proof of...what? (that you’re actually more racist than the average person?....yes. and that’s pretty much it.)

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As you seem woefully unaware of what racism actually entails, this entry doesn't make any sense.
NO KIDDING. Woefully clueless. But he calls it intellectual. LOL




No, she's seen as a psychotic bitch.

No, they're both seen as extremists, fundamentalists, and destructive.

Saying "I'm proud to be straight" is not viewed as an attack by any gay people I know - and I know about thirty of them. People wonder why there's no "straight pride day" - and my response is that EVERY FUCKING DAY is "straight pride day".

Taking a friendly "white boy" comment - which is clearly meant to take a historically racist context, turn it on its head, mock it, and have fun with it - should not be confused with double standards that actually matter. It's the old complaint about why "black power" was okay and "white power" is not. And it's because one does not necessarily have to be "against" whites. But the other most definitely has to be taken in a context against non-whites.

I understand why people bring up these 'double standard' discussions - but not all of them are of equal merit, if people stop and think critically about them.

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Actually, today's use of the word "racism" and what's deemed to be derogatory racially based terms, along with the cry wolf syndrome of current times, almost trivializes and is an insult to what previous generations of the non-white population has gone through, including the natives. Let's face it, white people are the invaders and occupiers of North America and the Caucasian advancement came at the brutal cost of the natives that inhabited the land when we got here and those "minorities" brought over to do hard labour like build railways and work the farms. I'm not one for "xxx-word" terms but calling someone a "nigger" is a hell of a lot less egregious than hanging or whipping one.
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I believe that the greatest difficulty in the fight to end racism is not weeding out bigots or even fighting over the true definition of racism. I believe it�s the expulsion of hate. Not hate in the traditional and historical sense. Hate as a byproduct instead of the culmination of a physical portrayal of a monster.

Racism as defined by history books, television, your parents and your teachers is hate. It is an angry man with a hooded face. It is burning crosses and a swinging noose. This is racism. This is what racists believe to be racism. If you haven�t burned a cross, your stereotypical thinking is merely �Truths� and �Jokes.� If you don�t own a Klan�s hood, your racist words and actions are simply things that �Everyone� knows and �Nobody� gets upset about.

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Miss*Bijou

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I was deeply saddened to read that my entry "doesn't make any sense" to you.
I tried to keep it as simple as possible for the benefit of the slower members of the board.
I avoided multi-syllabic words(hint..that means b-i-g- words) for that reason.
It is unfortunate(oops, that's four syllables..I'll edit)
It is too bad that you couldn't comprehend(get) the post.
I made a conscientious(damn it, did it again) let's say, honest, attempt at simplicity,always with the
dimmer bulbs in mind.
Here's an idea...find someone with a bit more intellectual acumen,like, say, the next person you see,to take you
through the post slowly.
I hope this helps.
wow. Do you get off on being a jackass completely devoid of any charisma? You really have nothing to be so cocky about. Seriously. Get over yourself, this is pathetic.





Honestly, non-causation people have been horribly racist to me. When I lived in NYC I would get random outbursts on the streets from non-Caucasian girls screaming out at me, like "look at this white bitch, lookin like Paris Hilton!" Or "this white bitch thinks she's Barbie!" It's actually very intimidating and feels very threatening.... Then there are the less offensive and less obvious things... For example when I go to an ethnic restaurant which is usually only frequented by people of that particular culture (I like authentic food) I prefer to bring with me a friend if that same culture because I feel I get better service.... But for whatever reason, it's not acknowledged as racism unless its something offensive that is said or done by a Caucasian to a non-Caucasian.... I'm not sure why....
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Racism is power and privilege, not �omg black dude called me a cracker�. It�s institutional and cultural oppressions that affect your life on a daily basis, not isolated instances.

It is literally impossible to have people be racist against you when you are a part of the dominant culture.

When a person of color says negative things about whiteness to a white person, it doesn�t mean they are racist, it means they are prejudiced. Of course it�s an unfair assumption, and of course it is unrealistic because they don�t know you. But it does not mean that the person of color can actually contribute to a centuries-old legacy of oppression of white people, because there is no such thing.

When People of Color say things about white people, it hardly even matters. It�s like if I talked shit about someone because they have perfect eyesight and I have to use glasses. Who still has perfect sight afterwards? They do. Who still has crappy eyes? I do. What I say has no power over them, but what they say can certainly contribute to a monolithic, dominant culture of able-bodied people. When a black person talks shit about a white person, who still has to be black afterwards, and live every moment of their life as a black person? They do.

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true, historical injustice existed,but in 2013 where we hear the message of equality,then there shouldn't be a double standard.
well said, Cami, you were discriminated against,pure&simple.
and it was NOT "reverse" racism, a term used by apologistic deliverers of drivel
racism is racism, no forward, reverse,neutral,or park, it is what it is, racism
something that the pollyannas would never consider....in a big USA city, a minority could accidentally wander into
a Caucasian neighbourhood.He/she might be insulted but very unlikely to be physically injured.
in the same city,if a Caucasian got lost and ended up in certain 'hoods, there'd be a real threat to his life.
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White privilege does not guarantee and easy life, a good life or a happy life. However, the privilege does make your life different and gives you and advantage over others based solely on the color of your skin.">
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times have changed.
I read about govt's in some places, eg LA, where companies were mandated to hire minorities only, regardless of job
qualifications.
of course,that was a few yrs ago,now I believe whites are the minority in LA,or at least large sections of it.
hmmm, wonder how it was that the whites came to dominate in the first place?
you mean we are NOT all equal?
are you arguing with the PC hordes that say we are?
re the LA thing...with respect, you'll find more than ONE area having a Latino majority.
as to your answering my question....you said something like because they were in power,which was not an answer to my query,which was WHY were they in power.
far from babysitting me, Hank was good enough to direct his answer to my question..something you were unwilling/unable to do.
I can assure you that my eyes were open as I read your posts,entertaining as they are.
lastly, you accuse me of "intolerance"...interesting choice of words from someone who believes being born Asian is losing the genetic lottery.
I am too nice to call you hypocritical on that.
Oh cut it out. There you go with that stupid “argument” of yours. Are you seriously not understanding what he’s saying? Are you playing dumb or are you really incapable to going beyond the simpleton arguments you’re making? You can’t really be that dense, can you? I honestly can’t figure out if you’re being a troll or if you are genuinely incapable of going any deeper than your supposedly super intellectual argument (not), so intellectual it sounds like it comes from a 10 year old. Not only that, but as I’ve already said, you don’t even realize you’re actually proving what he and others are saying. Way to go, Einstein...way to go.
 

Miss*Bijou

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That’s funny, from your posting history I would not have thought that you believe in collective punishment in addition to a double standard.
Imagine my surprise.
Should she have stood there, waiting to be assaulted and apologise for what others have done before she was born?
Go apologise, go marching, join a church so you can make up for someone else’s sin and tithe if you wish, but keep your guilt to yourself.
wow. This is nuts.
WHERE did anyone imply or say anything like that? Who is even saying that? NO ONE! Is that seriously the only thing you can take out of his post? Do you have some reading comprehension issues because that’s not what he’s saying at all. He’s been extremely clear in his replies to you but you someone read his words and then imagine something entirely different than he’s writing. Wtf? Stop pretending he’s saying things he didn’t say - and not even close. I suggest you stop wasting your energy being offended about everything you think he says even though he’s not, and instead actually read it all a couple of times at least and try to think about it rationally and calmly. Because right now, you’re so far off track, it’s ridiculous.

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But, of course, there�s a little thing called context.

There�s that whole 600 year time period where Black people were sold as chattel by Europeans who reinforced their system through violence and repression and who recreated their same systems of domination through Jim Crow and the Prison Industrial Complex when slavery was made illegal.

And there�s that inconvenient fact that the �n-word� was created solely by White people as a pejorative for Black slaves.

So when we consider the context of power, oppression, and privilege, the use of these two words in two different ways does not create a double standard.">
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�None of this is to say that people with identity privilege do not struggle,� I said.�Plenty of us are struggling with real and tough things. Plenty of middle class White families are fighting in a system that is working against anyone who isn�t rich. It is just important to keep perspective about the relativity of privilege.�

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Perhaps a lot of pooners were born with a Silver spoon and have the luxury of supporting every cause that attacks their own Privileged White ass trying to look above it all, understanding, or like they're "in the know" ;)?
But believe it or not buddy, some of us were born poor, with far less than most marginalized groups and had to claw our way up without any quota’s, funding or birth-right to aid us in our struggle being told that we can’t be hired because we don’t speak Cantonese.

Keep your smugness and your judgements to yourself.
You may think that you are psychic or omnipotent but I assure you that you have no idea of what I have gone through to become even lower middle class.
Born White trash living next to the reserve, ass kicked daily for being White, just as poor but without the free degree, cheap smokes, gas or other advantages.
Rather than spend my life bitching about everyone else’s privilege and waiting for my handout, I did what I had to do to be where I am supporting four dependants and still able to poon a little, though not as often as I would like.

I doubt that most people complaining about White Privilege could make it out of what I did without welfare, 12 steps, nervous breakdowns and the luck of a dog with two dicks.
The only privilege I have was created from within.

Oh, give it up already. You don’t even understand what is meant by white privilege. So get off your high horse already and at least make the effort to understand what you’re disagreeing with. That’s the problem with people who talk the way you and grusse do - you don’t even bother listening to anything anyone says, you hear whatever you want to hear and then claim that’s what others have said, you’ve got it all figured out and you’re only interested in being all defensive. Grow up. Seriously. Start by knowing what you’re talking about -not what you assume others are talking about.

Let me repeat: you don’t understand what is meant by white privilege. If you don’t want to understand, that’s fine. But in that case, don’t bother answering. Because all your post does is demonstrate you don’t understand what you’re commenting on and getting to riled about. So, either you make the effort to understand or just don’t bother responding. I’ve included a few quotes about white privilege, that might be a good place to start.





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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plp.png" width="100%" alt="Simply put, privilege refers to an unearned advantage. It usually refers to something inherent . . . something you were born with rather than something you worked for. There are many types of privilege: economic privilege, gender privilege, heterosexual privilege, and of course . . . racial privilege. Racial privilege can take many forms, from minor things to life-threatening things. At it�s essence, it�s a simple concept:white privilege refers to the both minor and significant advantages that white people hold in American society. But still, people seem to struggle with both believing it exists and figuring out what to do with it. Here are some of the questions I often hear asked about white privilege:">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plq.png" width="100%" alt="I had a hard time growing up, too. We�ve all had hardships.
Of course we have. The concept of white privilege does not deny individual hardships. Hardships can be circumstantial, they can be born into, they can be at our own doing, or they can be outside of our control. Some hardships, for some people, are related to race, and those who haven�t experienced those particular race-related hardships hold white privilege. That doesn�t negate the hardships others have faced because racial privilege refers only to race.. It doesn�t mean that people haven�t experienced difficulty. Nor do the hardships not related to race negate the very real discrimination some people have faced.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plr.png" width="100%" alt="I have a black friend who was raised with way more privilege so how can I be the privileged one?
Again, white privilege only reflects racial privilege. It�s possible for people of other races to hold other kinds of privilege. They don�t negate it either. . . we�re not playing oppression olympics. When we ignore one form of privilege because another exists, we�re being dismissive. The fact that I�m white does not mean that I don�t sometimes experience sexism. That fact that a black person was born to a well-off family doesn't mean they never experience racism. Imagine going to your boss to complain about sexual harassment, and being told that it shouldn't bother you because you have a nice corner office. When we deny white privilege exists because there are other forms of privilege, we are deflecting a very real issue for some people.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pls.png" width="100%" alt="What do they want me to do?
I think that the biggest reason people refuse to acknowledge that there may be some privilege inherent in being white is the fear that it means they owe someone something. I've seen a lot of people this week push back against the idea that white privilege exists for political reasons . . . but this isn't a political or legal concept. I can�t speak for all minorities but for most people I know, the biggest thing they want from me is for me to LISTEN. To hear what their experience is like. To believe them when they describe their own experience.

There is nothing threatening about acknowledging your privilege. Being more empathetic to the experiences of others is not a sacrifice to anyone's politics.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plt.png" width="100%" alt="Am I supposed to feel guilt for stuff I didn�t do?
White privilege is not a value judgment. It�s not meant to be hurled as an insult or use as something to invoke guilt. On the contrary, I think it�s guilt that often compels people to deny that discrimination exists. I�ve seen a few folks make comments about white privilege that infer that it�s a made-up concept by liberals to add more white guilt on ourselves. But self-loathing is not the goal. It�s possible to have a healthy self-concept and racial identity while acknowledging the imbalance of racial privilege. A part of self-worth is acknowledging your strengths and weaknesses. In my experience, bullying and abuse is usually perpetrated by people with a low sense of self. So I think it�s valuable for white Americans to identify what it means to be white: what they like about their own culture and values, and what they want to change.

The only aspect of white privilege that should invoke guilt is if you decide that because you don�t experience racism, that you don�t have to listen or care when other people do.">
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Miss*Bijou

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It is horrible, and I don't think anyone ever should be subjected to such a thing. I feel all people are equal, and I'm not sure that its "not as bad" for Caucasians, if that's what you're implying.... (Of course, correct me if I'm wrong)or that anon-Caucasian would be more hurt by these experiences than I would... We are all human being with hearts, souls, feelings and sensitivities... Nobody should ever go out of their way to hurt or discriminate against another human being regardless of race, creed, class or color.... And I think anyone exposed to this kind of thing would be equally hurt... Just from my personal experiences....
And it's not a white dominated world, by the way.... U can google stats of the world population if you care to...

Is that really intended as some kind of 'proof'? There are so many things wrong with that claim I don't even know where to begin.. The numbers of various racial backgrounds is absolutely irrelevant. I can name several countries where the white minority has all the power and the indigenous majority has none and suffers all the oppression, discrimination and racism. That's what we call colonialism.

Policies usually exist within countries. That's where they are created and that's where they are enforced. And it's clear that numbers are meaningless. So the only thing your link tells me is that there are more non Caucasians than Caucasians in the world. Whoopdeedoo. We're talking about power, money - both current and historical. Why don't you go look for wealth distribution and history of colonialism and tell me what you find.

Look for the genocide of indigenous populations in Mexico, the US and Canada by white European settlers. France's history in Algeria, Apartheid in South Africa - all were white minorities against black or brown majority. Africa has several examples. and there are tons of other examples (India!) and if you want one that is current - because most of them are thankfully part of history although their legacy isn't - just look at Palestinians' ongoing ethnic cleansing and colonization by white European Jewish settlers... all supported by other white European dominated countries such as the US, Canada, Australia and we'll, actual white European countries like England, France etc.

You guys are really going to have to work a little harder and come up with a lot more than what you have so far, which is basically nothing.
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pln.png" width="100%" alt="â� wite-magik attax: A predictable series of non-arguments that attempt to denigrate, negate, appropriate, or invalidate ideas, feelings, or experience as related by a brown person. These attacks take many forms, and while each person making the attack thinks their (dys)logic to be unerring, they echo timeless and faulty cognitive patterns. These Wite-Magik Attax invariably escalate in intensity, however, the longer the brown person attempts to assert their reality.

ex:
� the FALLACIOUS FLIP ("You're racist against whites!" etc)">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plf.png" width="100%" alt="the fallacious flip- The reflex some people have to invert an example regarding racial issues to show how it is unfair that POC are claiming things (rights) or saying things (self empowerment in the face of oppressive and derisive societal memes) or afraid of things (contact with police, store security guards, speaking boldly in defense of their People) or "assuming" things (like when you walk past cars and hear doors locking, or are in a conversation suddenly rife with the same old racist arguments always leveled at you). It is a wholly invalid framing, because it assumes that all ethnicities have the same history in this land, the same power, the same struggle to claim personhood, the same assumptions leveled on them. In this light, The Fallacious Flip is nothing but more oppression and privileged (un)thinking; an attempt to shut down the POC from gaining equality.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plg.png" width="100%" alt="â� the insatiable martyr: This is a Wite-Magik attack that attempts to convince the brown person that s/he is feeling hurt or denigrated or insulted or dehumanized only because s/he was waiting around, and hoping for an opportunity to be insulted, humiliated, scared, or hurt.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pli.png" width="100%" alt="The Seeing-Eye Frog is a Wite-Magik Attak in which a person who has no experience, education, nor ability to discern certain facts asserts that the facts do not exist simply because s/he is not equipped to see them�despite any overwhelming evidence or testimony to the contrary.

Ex: You are reading too much into the advertisement with four black kneeling men and a white man standing tall! That's not racism! It just echoes a referee with a starting gun and four black athletes ready to run at his command! I don't care what you have lived, or even if you studied media messaging for years! I just do not see it.

Anytime you hear the phrase "You are reading too much into it" or "You are seeing things that are not there" look around you in the direction of the croaking assertion. Make sure you don't step on the poor lil hopper. Chances are you are in the proximity of a Seeing-Eye Frog who means well but lacks some vision.">
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excellent points,Cami,
however, don't confuse him with facts and logic, his (narrow) mind is made up

I think you’re projecting here. It sounds to me like it’s yourself you’re talking about. You’ve made it very clear you’ve already made up mind and don’t even care about what anyone else has to say and have no desire to even understand what others are talking about. You can’t even come up with a half decent relevant argument for god’s sake.. Yet you think you’re somehow in a position to insult other people and ridicule them for not understanding your claims? Newsflash: We understand them all right, people are simply trying to move the discussion beyond the level you apparently think as very intellectual. Please.

Facts and logic? From you? LOL Shit, what a joke. Get real. You’ve got a seriously overblown and exaggerated opinion of yourself. I suggest you re-think your performance on this thread because it’s definitely not deserving of the praise you think it is in the fantasy world you live in.

Alex posted a video and link to Tim Wise. I've posted several videos from him on a previous thread on racism. But just like in that thread, people can't be bothered to even watch it, let alone to address it. They and you prefer to just keep repeating the same things over again. That's not called facts. You seem to understand fact over opinion but you don't seem to be clear on what facts and opinions are because you appear to think what you're saying qualifies as fact and not as mere opinion. I would suggest doing a bit of research on that. Your arguments might be a little more convincing if you did.

You'd have to engage and actually respond to the responses you get though, so I understand how your current understanding might be preferred by you. It must be pleasant not to have to consider anyone's arguments and simply dismiss them without even needing to consider them. But guess what? While you obviously have many opinions about this topic, some people (like Tim Wise) actually have careers dedicated to the subject. I know you've decided you're a genius and expert on racism and all but you might want to listen to what people who don't just like to think of themselves as Knowledgeable experts, they actually are and that's how people also describe them and why what they say is credible and based on facts. Unless I missed it somehow, no one considers you an expert of great credibility. So while humility is quite obviously not something that comes naturally to you, I'd highly suggest you practice that too. I

Newsflash : it's intellectually dishonest and lazy. Get over yourself for just 5 minutes if you can manage and give your detractors the minimum of respect they deserve, stop being lazy and consider their arguments and offer thoughtful, relevant replies. If you're not willing to do even this, then you have no place posting and pretending to welcome discussion and really need to stfu and stop wasting everyone else's time, it's fucking rude.


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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Ply.png" width="100%" alt="White privilege is a term often used but largely misunderstood. Those who agree that they have it, don�t often understand exactly what it entails. White privilege is somewhat easy to deny because it�s very nature, depends on the belief that one race is superior, therefor more deserving of any given �gift.�White privilege does not mean that you have an easy life. As a white person, falling on hard times isn�t an unrealistic event. The difference is, when you fall on hard times, its just that, hard times. You are a hard worker who just needs a chance. Not a lazy moocher looking for a handout.

White privilege does not guarantee and easy life, a good life or a happy life. However, the privilege does make your life different and gives you and advantage over others based solely on the color of your skin.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pll.png" width="100%" alt="â� the WHITE lens: This is the lens that is fitted upon the American who absorbs mainstream culture. You do not have to be White to see this way. See Gonzales, Condi, etc. It involves thinking that POC are inferior to Whites, that Whites are best enabled and empowered by Nature to act for and in the interest of all other brown peoples, that the most desirable goal is to succeed in this current White power structure as it stands, and as it has been built; to abdicate parts of yourself or your culture or history as demanded by this structure and to never look back. It can be an unepexpectedly subtle lens, and so good a fit that rarely are people aware they are wearing it.

Yet it wreaks untold harm upon the world.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plm.png" width="100%" alt="â� the Wite disdain: A Wite-Magik Attak that is deceptively simple, as well as effective. It is simple because it is nothing more than a shrug of the verbal shoulder, yet it is effective because it draws on a vast realityâ��that the experiences and contributions and pain and lives of non-whites in America are not as valuable as those of whites. In this attak, the wielder simply laughs off or otherwise derides the brown person, and in the process dismisses their deepest feelings or most crucial reality because it just doesn't matter to them. There is no real response to this attak because the wielder is referencing a truth that runs deeply through our culture and is simply admitting that they subscribe to it. Thus, they enlist the entirety of America's racist parts against the brown person by wielding this particular attak. There may be no way to singlehandedly answer such hate, but it should be an immediate indicator to the Brownâ�¢ that at this point, there is no use further engaging this person in any meaningful way.
The WITE DISDAIN takes shapes like these:
� "That's your 'pet issue,' and nobody else cares about it."">
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normisanas

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It is horrible, and I don't think anyone ever should be subjected to such a thing. I feel all people are equal, and I'm not sure that its "not as bad" for Caucasians, if that's what you're implying....
No, sorry that is not what I'm implying or suggesting or even saying. It is bad for you, very very bad. It's just as bad for you as it has been for them, except they get it all the time - and I do mean all the time. And because of the frequency, because of having to live under it, because it is everywhere you look, it changes the equation but doesn't change how it feels for anyone who experiences it.

And it's not a white dominated world, by the way.... U can google stats of the world population if you care to...
Googling will tell me the numbers of people in the world, and yes, Europeans are a minority. But that's just it, look at Europeans as a minority and then compare that to History, and I don't mean ancient history. I mean from yesterday, and every year all the way back to The Crusades.
 

normisanas

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Perhaps a lot of pooners were born with a Silver spoon and have the luxury of supporting every cause that attacks their own Privileged White ass trying to look above it all, understanding, or like they're "in the know" ;)?
But believe it or not buddy, some of us were born poor, with far less than most marginalized groups and had to claw our way up without any quota’s, funding or birth-right to aid us in our struggle being told that we can’t be hired because we don’t speak Cantonese.

Keep your smugness and your judgements to yourself.
You may think that you are psychic or omnipotent but I assure you that you have no idea of what I have gone through to become even lower middle class.
Born White trash living next to the reserve, ass kicked daily for being White, just as poor but without the free degree, cheap smokes, gas or other advantages.
Rather than spend my life bitching about everyone else’s privilege and waiting for my handout, I did what I had to do to be where I am supporting four dependants and still able to poon a little, though not as often as I would like.

I doubt that most people complaining about White Privilege could make it out of what I did without welfare, 12 steps, nervous breakdowns and the luck of a dog with two dicks.
The only privilege I have was created from within.
Well for your information, I am doing well - that is, I'm middle class. My parents did well too. It has nothing to do with your living in a trailer park or born with a silverspoon in your mouth, or taking handouts for that matter. You clearly did not comprehend anything I wrote about the matter. It is either too nuanced for you or you're simply too prejudiced to understand.

You see, it's about being OBLIVIOUS. In much the same way you can't smell your own body odour, "others" can. When you have empathy, you begin to smell what they smell.

Check the video Bijou posted above, the guy is far more patient at explaining this very simple thing than I could ever be, because it really is as simple as 1+1, and it's often true that the simplest things are the hardest to explain to someone who just won't get it.
 

normisanas

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lastly, you accuse me of "intolerance"...interesting choice of words from someone who believes being born Asian is losing the genetic lottery.
I am too nice to call you hypocritical on that.
Think real hard about what I wrote. Don't just be looking for holes in the argument because you'll miss the point, like not seeing the forest for the trees. Focus on what I said AND what I meant, not just what I said - that's called comprehension, buddy. And when you've successfully done so, you'll understand that I don't think being born Asian means I've lost the genetic lottery.
 

sevenofnine

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After working and being around a lot of non-white people.

Non white people are the most racist people you will ever come across.
White people it has been so drilled into our head about the evils of racism, and it is so uncool to be white and prejudice nowdays.

But unfortunatly not so in other races.

Its funny but so many people with darker skin, envy us with white skin. They don't tan because it makes them darker, white is best in their eyes.
weird.
 

PlayfulAlex

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Listening to this guy affects me, enlightens me, changes me...

"TIM WISE: I want to thank all of you for coming out. I want to start off by telling you that I think it is probably a good idea when somebody stands in front of you and is proclaimed by virtue of their bio and by virtue of their curriculum vitae, their resume, that part of which is read to you, by way of their nice comments made of them by others, proclaim to be an expert. Ask yourself why it is that you are listening to that person and not somebody else. In this culture, we are lead to believe that if someone stands before you, a proclaimed expert, that it must be that they are the brightest bulbs in the box – that they know something that the other people don’t know.

I am not standing in front of you, and you are not listening to me, because I am the most informed person in the country on racism or white privilege, not because I am the best speaker on the subject. I am fairly good, and I intend to demonstrate that to you amply in the next hour. It isn’t because I am the best writer on the subject, though I am ok with that as well. It is instead because I, and I know this, fit the aesthetic that is needed on too many campuses and too many communities around the country in order to come in and give this talk.

Nothing that I am going to say tonight, or at least very little, originated in my head. Nothing that I am going to say tonight, or at least very little, is in fact new. Almost every single thing that I am going to say this evening is wisdom that has been shared with me either patiently, or sometimes not so patiently, by people of color who have in almost every instance forgotten more about the subjects of racism and white privilege since breakfast yesterday than I will likely ever know, and yet they will not be asked to give eighty five engagements around the country this year or next on this subject. Not because they have not the wisdom to do it but because privilege, the subject that I’ll deal with tonight, bestows upon me that advantage, and so, as a matter of responsibility and accountability, I have to own that up front so that when you go away from this, this evening, thinking to yourself, “My goodness that was good,” and that is my subliminal way of telling you that you are going to think its just great.

And when you go away from here thinking that I have filled your heads with all this great knowledge and wisdom, please know that it is not mine. And then, next time you hear it from a person of color, the next time it is shared with you, for those in the audience particularly who are white, the next time it is shared with you by a person of color, as it will be and as it has been in one form of another, please listen to it, and please know that it is from that source that I get virtually all of my material. We will know that we have made progress only on that day when a person of color can get up and give the talk that I am about to give and be taken half as seriously as I expect to be taken."

http://www.mediaed.org/assets/products/137/transcript_137.pdf
 

grusse

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well, I'm off to the airport,unfortunately I will have to miss a few days of entertainment.

too bad, because our resident professor of pyscho-babble is getting up a full head of steam,lol.

wonder if miss bj does dom. sessions?

can only imagine some poor schmuck spread-eagled&helpless, bj with whip-in-hand,

bj: you DARED to argue with me!
schmuck; not really,just offered a different viewpoint,one that was rational

CRACK!!

bj:I said you DARED to argue with me
scmuck;no more please.

actually bj and normisanass would be a suitable match...they are totally deserving of each other.

flame away, children, I won't see any of your drivel for a few days.
 

normisanas

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After working and being around a lot of non-white people.

Non white people are the most racist people you will ever come across.
White people it has been so drilled into our head about the evils of racism, and it is so uncool to be white and prejudice nowdays.

But unfortunatly not so in other races.

Its funny but so many people with darker skin, envy us with white skin. They don't tan because it makes them darker, white is best in their eyes.
weird.
Well you certainly are right to point out these things, they are facts and they do exist. The only place I differ with you is that non-whites are the MOST racist people, etc. That's a thing of comparison that nobody can do objectively, and if you are white, you can't make an objective comparison because you enjoy a life that is based on a society that is largely discriminatory to non-whites.

There is also a lot of white guilt too, as you say, "white people it has been so drilled into our head about the evils of racism", and well that only takes someone so far. Guilt is actually not what I am trying to achieve, for why should someone who did not set up this system feel guilty? After all, you had nothing to do with the Europeans who brought scurvy blankets to the aboriginals! You bear no responsibility for the sins of your fathers, and I support that. But then you say, "it is so uncool to be white and prejudice nowdays"..... oh so there was a time that you thought it was cool? Not that you personally believe it, but if there was a time that it was cool to be a white racist, what does that tell you?

Yes, and a lot of them don't tan to make themselves whiter. My guess is that it is because they've knuckled under to the societal pressure that elevates white as the powerful, rich, sexy, and who the hell doesn't want to put on the robes of those who are powerful, rich and sexy? Why is it that there are sectors of coloured women who prefer only white men? A chance to escape the imprisonment of discrimination, which is the core of the attraction? Why is that there are sectors of white men who only prefer certain coloured women? If you can answer that in an analogous way, then you're onto something.
 

Cami Parker

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LOL!! I can be a persistent lil bugger when I feel passionate about something, or feel an overwhelming to "enlighten"... Lol But I'd have to go out on a limb and say I do believe you are correct...

excellent points,Cami,

however, don't confuse him with facts and logic, his (narrow) mind is made up
 

Cami Parker

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This sounds ignorant and narrow minded... Quit before you further embarrass yourself....


wow. Do you get off on being a jackass completely devoid of any charisma? You really have nothing to be so cocky about. Seriously. Get over yourself, this is pathetic.

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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10PlB.png" width="100%" alt="Racism against white people does not exist.

Racism is power and privilege, not �omg black dude called me a cracker�. It�s institutional and cultural oppressions that affect your life on a daily basis, not isolated instances.

It is literally impossible to have people be racist against you when you are a part of the dominant culture.

When a person of color says negative things about whiteness to a white person, it doesn�t mean they are racist, it means they are prejudiced. Of course it�s an unfair assumption, and of course it is unrealistic because they don�t know you. But it does not mean that the person of color can actually contribute to a centuries-old legacy of oppression of white people, because there is no such thing.

When People of Color say things about white people, it hardly even matters. It�s like if I talked shit about someone because they have perfect eyesight and I have to use glasses. Who still has perfect sight afterwards? They do. Who still has crappy eyes? I do. What I say has no power over them, but what they say can certainly contribute to a monolithic, dominant culture of able-bodied people. When a black person talks shit about a white person, who still has to be black afterwards, and live every moment of their life as a black person? They do.

Racism against whites does not exist. Racism is institutional and the institution right now is whiteness. The word you are looking for is �prejudice�.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Ply.png" width="100%" alt="White privilege is a term often used but largely misunderstood. Those who agree that they have it, don�t often understand exactly what it entails. White privilege is somewhat easy to deny because it�s very nature, depends on the belief that one race is superior, therefor more deserving of any given �gift.�White privilege does not mean that you have an easy life. As a white person, falling on hard times isn�t an unrealistic event. The difference is, when you fall on hard times, its just that, hard times. You are a hard worker who just needs a chance. Not a lazy moocher looking for a handout.

White privilege does not guarantee and easy life, a good life or a happy life. However, the privilege does make your life different and gives you and advantage over others based solely on the color of your skin.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10PlA.png" width="100%" alt="While fault and blame may not come into play here, what does come into play is your belief in this very racist and unjust system. If you either deny that white privilege exists or believe that you have it but don�t see any �Power� in it, you are making a conscious decision to perpetuate racism. White privilege might not be something that you asked for or that you can get rid of. However, you ARE making a decision when you deny it�s existence or believe that it wields no power. Is there no power in a better education? Is there no power in better health? Is there no power in having a job? These are all things that are more likely to be afforded to you based solely on the color of your skin. To deny them, is to intentionally perpetuate racism.

These are just some of the minor points involved with explaining white privilege.">
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Oh cut it out. There you go with that stupid “argument” of yours. Are you seriously not understanding what he’s saying? Are you playing dumb or are you really incapable to going beyond the simpleton arguments you’re making? You can’t really be that dense, can you? I honestly can’t figure out if you’re being a troll or if you are genuinely incapable of going any deeper than your supposedly super intellectual argument (not), so intellectual it sounds like it comes from a 10 year old. Not only that, but as I’ve already said, you don’t even realize you’re actually proving what he and others are saying. Way to go, Einstein...way to go.
 

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Umm... I have a degree from NYU and can only speak for myself but your attempts at sounding intelligent by using big words and trying to confuse people are not fooling me...



Is that really intended as some kind of 'proof'? There are so many things wrong with that claim I don't even know where to begin.. The numbers of various racial backgrounds is absolutely irrelevant. I can name several countries where the white minority has all the power and the indigenous majority has none and suffers all the oppression, discrimination and racism. That's what we call colonialism.

Policies usually exist within countries. That's where they are created and that's where they are enforced. And it's clear that numbers are meaningless. So the only thing your link tells me is that there are more non Caucasians than Caucasians in the world. Whoopdeedoo. We're talking about power, money - both current and historical. Why don't you go look for wealth distribution and history of colonialism and tell me what you find.

Look for the genocide of indigenous populations in Mexico, the US and Canada by white European settlers. France's history in Algeria, Apartheid in South Africa - all were white minorities against black or brown majority. Africa has several examples. and there are tons of other examples (India!) and if you want one that is current - because most of them are thankfully part of history although their legacy isn't - just look at Palestinians' ongoing ethnic cleansing and colonization by white European Jewish settlers... all supported by other white European dominated countries such as the US, Canada, Australia and we'll, actual white European countries like England, France etc.

You guys are really going to have to work a little harder and come up with a lot more than what you have so far, which is basically nothing.
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pln.png" width="100%" alt="â� wite-magik attax: A predictable series of non-arguments that attempt to denigrate, negate, appropriate, or invalidate ideas, feelings, or experience as related by a brown person. These attacks take many forms, and while each person making the attack thinks their (dys)logic to be unerring, they echo timeless and faulty cognitive patterns. These Wite-Magik Attax invariably escalate in intensity, however, the longer the brown person attempts to assert their reality.

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� the FALLACIOUS FLIP ("You're racist against whites!" etc)">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plf.png" width="100%" alt="the fallacious flip- The reflex some people have to invert an example regarding racial issues to show how it is unfair that POC are claiming things (rights) or saying things (self empowerment in the face of oppressive and derisive societal memes) or afraid of things (contact with police, store security guards, speaking boldly in defense of their People) or "assuming" things (like when you walk past cars and hear doors locking, or are in a conversation suddenly rife with the same old racist arguments always leveled at you). It is a wholly invalid framing, because it assumes that all ethnicities have the same history in this land, the same power, the same struggle to claim personhood, the same assumptions leveled on them. In this light, The Fallacious Flip is nothing but more oppression and privileged (un)thinking; an attempt to shut down the POC from gaining equality.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plg.png" width="100%" alt="â� the insatiable martyr: This is a Wite-Magik attack that attempts to convince the brown person that s/he is feeling hurt or denigrated or insulted or dehumanized only because s/he was waiting around, and hoping for an opportunity to be insulted, humiliated, scared, or hurt.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pli.png" width="100%" alt="The Seeing-Eye Frog is a Wite-Magik Attak in which a person who has no experience, education, nor ability to discern certain facts asserts that the facts do not exist simply because s/he is not equipped to see them�despite any overwhelming evidence or testimony to the contrary.

Ex: You are reading too much into the advertisement with four black kneeling men and a white man standing tall! That's not racism! It just echoes a referee with a starting gun and four black athletes ready to run at his command! I don't care what you have lived, or even if you studied media messaging for years! I just do not see it.

Anytime you hear the phrase "You are reading too much into it" or "You are seeing things that are not there" look around you in the direction of the croaking assertion. Make sure you don't step on the poor lil hopper. Chances are you are in the proximity of a Seeing-Eye Frog who means well but lacks some vision.">
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I think you’re projecting here. It sounds to me like it’s yourself you’re talking about. You’ve made it very clear you’ve already made up mind and don’t even care about what anyone else has to say and have no desire to even understand what others are talking about. You can’t even come up with a half decent relevant argument for god’s sake.. Yet you think you’re somehow in a position to insult other people and ridicule them for not understanding your claims? Newsflash: We understand them all right, people are simply trying to move the discussion beyond the level you apparently think as very intellectual. Please.

Facts and logic? From you? LOL Shit, what a joke. Get real. You’ve got a seriously overblown and exaggerated opinion of yourself. I suggest you re-think your performance on this thread because it’s definitely not deserving of the praise you think it is in the fantasy world you live in.

Alex posted a video and link to Tim Wise. I've posted several videos from him on a previous thread on racism. But just like in that thread, people can't be bothered to even watch it, let alone to address it. They and you prefer to just keep repeating the same things over again. That's not called facts. You seem to understand fact over opinion but you don't seem to be clear on what facts and opinions are because you appear to think what you're saying qualifies as fact and not as mere opinion. I would suggest doing a bit of research on that. Your arguments might be a little more convincing if you did.

You'd have to engage and actually respond to the responses you get though, so I understand how your current understanding might be preferred by you. It must be pleasant not to have to consider anyone's arguments and simply dismiss them without even needing to consider them. But guess what? While you obviously have many opinions about this topic, some people (like Tim Wise) actually have careers dedicated to the subject. I know you've decided you're a genius and expert on racism and all but you might want to listen to what people who don't just like to think of themselves as Knowledgeable experts, they actually are and that's how people also describe them and why what they say is credible and based on facts. Unless I missed it somehow, no one considers you an expert of great credibility. So while humility is quite obviously not something that comes naturally to you, I'd highly suggest you practice that too. I

Newsflash : it's intellectually dishonest and lazy. Get over yourself for just 5 minutes if you can manage and give your detractors the minimum of respect they deserve, stop being lazy and consider their arguments and offer thoughtful, relevant replies. If you're not willing to do even this, then you have no place posting and pretending to welcome discussion and really need to stfu and stop wasting everyone else's time, it's fucking rude.


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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Ply.png" width="100%" alt="White privilege is a term often used but largely misunderstood. Those who agree that they have it, don�t often understand exactly what it entails. White privilege is somewhat easy to deny because it�s very nature, depends on the belief that one race is superior, therefor more deserving of any given �gift.�White privilege does not mean that you have an easy life. As a white person, falling on hard times isn�t an unrealistic event. The difference is, when you fall on hard times, its just that, hard times. You are a hard worker who just needs a chance. Not a lazy moocher looking for a handout.

White privilege does not guarantee and easy life, a good life or a happy life. However, the privilege does make your life different and gives you and advantage over others based solely on the color of your skin.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Pll.png" width="100%" alt="â� the WHITE lens: This is the lens that is fitted upon the American who absorbs mainstream culture. You do not have to be White to see this way. See Gonzales, Condi, etc. It involves thinking that POC are inferior to Whites, that Whites are best enabled and empowered by Nature to act for and in the interest of all other brown peoples, that the most desirable goal is to succeed in this current White power structure as it stands, and as it has been built; to abdicate parts of yourself or your culture or history as demanded by this structure and to never look back. It can be an unepexpectedly subtle lens, and so good a fit that rarely are people aware they are wearing it.

Yet it wreaks untold harm upon the world.">
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<img src="http://www.curate.us/i/q/10Plm.png" width="100%" alt="â� the Wite disdain: A Wite-Magik Attak that is deceptively simple, as well as effective. It is simple because it is nothing more than a shrug of the verbal shoulder, yet it is effective because it draws on a vast realityâ��that the experiences and contributions and pain and lives of non-whites in America are not as valuable as those of whites. In this attak, the wielder simply laughs off or otherwise derides the brown person, and in the process dismisses their deepest feelings or most crucial reality because it just doesn't matter to them. There is no real response to this attak because the wielder is referencing a truth that runs deeply through our culture and is simply admitting that they subscribe to it. Thus, they enlist the entirety of America's racist parts against the brown person by wielding this particular attak. There may be no way to singlehandedly answer such hate, but it should be an immediate indicator to the Brownâ�¢ that at this point, there is no use further engaging this person in any meaningful way.
The WITE DISDAIN takes shapes like these:
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