Sedin's Retiring

[badbadboy]

Which is why hockey will always be an inferior sport to the other major team sports. No sport effectively changes their rules between regular season and playoffs.

Bang-fucking-on!

100% agree

Zebras putting their whistles away and "letting them play" only allows the goons to intimidate the skilled players who got them to the playoffs in the first place.

You don't see this degradation in refereeing in any other contact sport. Can you imagine a World Cup Final Soccer or Rugby game being decided by an obvious 'non-call' by the refs?! The Super Bowl?

Never gonna happen.

 

[Stamkos]

Yes the Sedins will leave us with memories to last a lifetime indeed. If the two of them had only one flaw it
would be that during the playoffs is that they could not step up their game to be as rough and tough as the
Bad Bad bruins. That was just not their style. Unfortunate when the chips are down because you NEED that
extra gear when it comes to the next level of the regular season. Playoff hockey has nothing regular about it.

Just my opinion.





.........................QM'r

Agree to a certain extent QM’r but I feel it was more about not surrounding the Sedins with the players that would allow them to do their Sedinery in the playoffs. Never forget the vision in the playoffs of Marchand and Keith pounding Daniel and not one player coming to his defense. That set the tone, unfortunately....

 

[Stamkos]

In the same vein as the “Sedins Retiring” is anyone else worried about Benning being the decision maker on $14MM in new cap space? Makes me shudder.....:help:

 

[ddcanz]

In the same vein as the “Sedins Retiring” is anyone else worried about Benning being the decision maker on $14MM in new cap space? Makes me shudder.....:help:

Good observation- maybe start a new thread for discussion of Jim's and Trevor's Summer Spending Spree (or "How I AGAIN Blew my Allowance on Yesterday's News!")

 

[rlock]

100% agree

Zebras putting their whistles away and "letting them play" only allows the goons to intimidate the skilled players who got them to the playoffs in the first place.

You don't see this degradation in refereeing in any other contact sport. Can you imagine a World Cup Final Soccer or Rugby game being decided by an obvious 'non-call' by the refs?! The Super Bowl?

Never gonna happen.

It has happened in the Super Bowl and the World Cup. (for World Cup, look up "Hand Of God").


I agree though, the NHL's consistency level for reffing is crap. And that Vancouver/Boston final was marred by openly crooked reffing. When I hear the Sedins being disrespected for that series, I remind the person speaking that they were up against the most dirty team to ever win a cup. (And yeah, that's including the Flyers, because their signature era was not so one-sided for rough stuff, and cheap shots against stars still got punished.)

 

[badbadboy]

It has happened in the Super Bowl and the World Cup. (for World Cup, look up "Hand Of God").


I agree though, the NHL's consistency level for reffing is crap. And that Vancouver/Boston final was marred by openly crooked reffing. When I hear the Sedins being disrespected for that series, I remind the person speaking that they were up against the most dirty team to ever win a cup. (And yeah, that's including the Flyers, because their signature era was not so one-sided for rough stuff, and cheap shots against stars still got punished.)

Ok I see what you mean.

The Super Bowl that I really questioned was the Hawks vs Steelers. Terrible calls throughout and I thought the Hawks were robbed. Some people say it was fixed and Steelers fans just say its sour grapes.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/0ap2000000113874/Top-Ten-Controversial-Calls-Super-Bowl-XL

I should have said was the refereeing in the NHL is consistently poor by design in the playoffs vs the regular season every year.

The number of times I have gone to Rogers and saw the most dubious of calls of interference or goaltender interference in regular season and saw much worse infractions in the playoffs that went without a penalty makes the whole league look like a farce.

 

[g eazy]

Never forget the vision in the playoffs of Marchand and Keith pounding Daniel and not one player coming to his defense. That set the tone, unfortunately....

I think it would have been silly to ask the team to change their play styles just to accommodate the finals. They were by far the most dominant team that year and that was the style that got them through the regular season and 15 playoff wins. IMO they are the second best team (based on regular season) to not win the cup (with the 1st being the 95-96 Red Wings).

Good observation- maybe start a new thread for discussion of Jim's and Trevor's Summer Spending Spree (or "How I AGAIN Blew my Allowance on Yesterday's News!")

I don't mind overpaying in free agency for short-ish deals. By design almost all contracts via free agency are overpayment. I just don't want another Loui Eriksson where it's a long term overpayment. Taking on an slight overpayment for 2-4 years from a guy on his second to last "payday" is fine, which will leave room for the current crop of prospects should they pan out as their hype might suggest.

It very debatable if Thomas put up the greatest Stanley Cup goaltending performance of all time, but ”Luongoal” put up the worst! His pathetic play was far more instrumental to the outcome of the series than the officiating.

Most certainly debatable, I toss out everything prior to the 90s given the evolution of athletes throughout the years. Closest one in my mind might be 03 Giguere. I'd say Thomas' performance had a bigger effect on the outcome than Luongo's poor showing as well.

 

[Sporting]

Don't look now but the Canuvks have some fine young players. Give them a year or two?

 

[Hoops]

Agree to a certain extent QM’r but I feel it was more about not surrounding the Sedins with the players that would allow them to do their Sedinery in the playoffs. Never forget the vision in the playoffs of Marchand and Keith pounding Daniel and not one player coming to his defense. That set the tone, unfortunately....

Your comment is ironic in light of your user name. Saw Stamkos fight a guy about a week ago for some lame reason. He shouldn't have to jump in at anytime.

 

[CanineCowboy]

It very debatable if Thomas put up the greatest Stanley Cup goaltending performance of all time, but ”Luongoal” put up the worst! His pathetic play was far more instrumental to the outcome of the series than the officiating.

How many examples do you want?

The Brad Marchant non call was so obvious and symbolic of the whole series.

What about Rich Peverly delivering a two handed 'lumber jack style' slash to the back of Bieksa's knee behind the play in an obvious attempt to injure (no call, no discipline)? What about Adam Mcquaid receiving three warnings from officals in the first period of game four for slashing and punching after the whistle - no call? What about Johnny Boychuck can opening a puckless Mason Raymond, bending him over, and then driving him into the boards breaking his back? He didn't even touch the puck which was already on another Canuck's stick. No penalty, no review. Boychuck already had driven Kessler's head into the boards with a shoulder to head hit in a previous game, no penalty/review.

And Aaron Rome getting suspended for four games - the duration of the series and the longest in Stanley Cup Final history - for the late north-south hit on Nathan Horton? No previous suspension (of the 3 or 4) had been more than a single game.

Your lame Luongo bash speaks volumes btw.

 

[ddcanz]

How many examples do you want?

The Brad Marchant non call was so obvious and symbolic of the whole series.

What about Rich Peverly delivering a two handed 'lumber jack style' slash to the back of Bieksa's knee behind the play in an obvious attempt to injure (no call, no discipline)? What about Adam Mcquaid receiving three warnings from officals in the first period of game four for slashing and punching after the whistle - no call? What about Johnny Boychuck can opening a puckless Mason Raymond, bending him over, and then driving him into the boards breaking his back? He didn't even touch the puck which was already on another Canuck's stick. No penalty, no review. Boychuck already had driven Kessler's head into the boards with a shoulder to head hit in a previous game, no penalty/review.

And Aaron Rome getting suspended for four games - the duration of the series and the longest in Stanley Cup Final history - for the late north-south hit on Nathan Horton? No previous suspension (of the 3 or 4) had been more than a single game.

Your lame Luongo bash speaks volumes btw.

I agree with everything you say here- it's quite on point. Even without Canuck-coloured glasses it should be obvious to all that the officiating was tilted.
But you have to admit that Luongo's performances on the road in Boston and Game 7 at home were fucking brutal!

 

[ddcanz]

Don't look now but the Canuvks have some fine young players. Give them a year or two?

A year or two to start sniffing at a wildcard position- maybe.
This team is many years away from seriously contending again, barring significant upgrades and superior drafting- along with Lottery Luck. And many teams ahead of them need to deteriorate and fall off.
Young players are just that- unproven- and need time to develop. They might not ever really pan out- including our goaltending saviour Demko and super-centre Pettersson. Horvat is a checking #2 centre with an upside of 25-30 goals. Boeser looks to be the real deal as a star player. After that- who knows?
Just look at the Oilers for an example of a team forever mired in "promise". Best player in the world and they might even draft ahead of Vancouver this year!
But I still enjoy watching the 'Nucks and their potential.

 

[tadolder]

In the same vein as the “Sedins Retiring” is anyone else worried about Benning being the decision maker on $14MM in new cap space? Makes me shudder.....:help:

I really believe they will be made assistant general managers, or something similar, and play a huge role in the rebuild. One weakness the Canucks have always had is getting a good promising young player and burning them out. Putting way too much pressure on them, and then eventually trading them. Of course there have been some cases where they were able to handle the pressure. The Sedins being the prime example, and of course Pavel Bure. Management realizes they have the best hockey minds in the game at their disposal , at least i hope they do because most every other team knows and would love to snap them up.

 

[badbadboy]

How many examples do you want?

The Brad Marchant non call was so obvious and symbolic of the whole series.

What about Rich Peverly delivering a two handed 'lumber jack style' slash to the back of Bieksa's knee behind the play in an obvious attempt to injure (no call, no discipline)? What about Adam Mcquaid receiving three warnings from officals in the first period of game four for slashing and punching after the whistle - no call? What about Johnny Boychuck can opening a puckless Mason Raymond, bending him over, and then driving him into the boards breaking his back? He didn't even touch the puck which was already on another Canuck's stick. No penalty, no review. Boychuck already had driven Kessler's head into the boards with a shoulder to head hit in a previous game, no penalty/review.

And Aaron Rome getting suspended for four games - the duration of the series and the longest in Stanley Cup Final history - for the late north-south hit on Nathan Horton? No previous suspension (of the 3 or 4) had been more than a single game.

Your lame Luongo bash speaks volumes btw.

Good synopsis of the whole debacle. I have re-looked at the Aaron Rome hit and my stance is the same now as it was then; it was less than half a second before hitting Horton. IMO a big guy like Rome can't stop on a dime and the collision was imminent. Four games was without precedence and took a major part of the Canucks D right out of the series.

But you have to admit that Luongo's performances on the road in Boston and Game 7 at home were fucking brutal!

Lou's best games were in the Olympics. He should have been replaced by Schneider much earlier in the Bruins series and he was a bit shaky thoughout the playoff run.

I really believe they will be made assistant general managers, or something similar, and play a huge role in the rebuild. One weakness the Canucks have always had is getting a good promising young player and burning them out. Putting way too much pressure on them, and then eventually trading them. Of course there have been some cases where they were able to handle the pressure. The Sedins being the prime example, and of course Pavel Bure. Management realizes they have the best hockey minds in the game at their disposal , at least i hope they do because most every other team knows and would love to snap them up.

I think the Sedin's will be taking long vacations with their families. We might see them back in a few years but the short term will be for family only.

Just dumb luck that Benning got Boeser at 23rd pick and now looks like a genius.

I think with the youth group we have now and if we get No 1 spot in the Draft plus making some smart UFA signings during the summer; we should have a good foundation to build on.

We gotta remember the Black Hawks took Five Years to get to the Stanley Cup winning primarily with smart draft picks.

 

[CanineCowboy]

Totally agree that Luongo seemed to lose his confidence in game six, but I think the cumulation of everything that had happened in the series finally took its toll. Injuries, poor officiating, frustration and loss of confidence.

Back onto the Sedins, I saw Henrik or Daniel (? ... lol) walking his dog by Pacific Spirit Park last week, exchanged nothing but a hello as our dogs sniffed each other, he looked relaxed and content. I hope they both enjoy life for a good long while before getting back involved in the game.

 

[LM987]

How many examples do you want?

The Brad Marchant non call was so obvious and symbolic of the whole series.

What about Rich Peverly delivering a two handed 'lumber jack style' slash to the back of Bieksa's knee behind the play in an obvious attempt to injure (no call, no discipline)? What about Adam Mcquaid receiving three warnings from officals in the first period of game four for slashing and punching after the whistle - no call? What about Johnny Boychuck can opening a puckless Mason Raymond, bending him over, and then driving him into the boards breaking his back? He didn't even touch the puck which was already on another Canuck's stick. No penalty, no review. Boychuck already had driven Kessler's head into the boards with a shoulder to head hit in a previous game, no penalty/review.

And Aaron Rome getting suspended for four games - the duration of the series and the longest in Stanley Cup Final history - for the late north-south hit on Nathan Horton? No previous suspension (of the 3 or 4) had been more than a single game.

Your lame Luongo bash speaks volumes btw.

This was a good reason I quit watching the NHL. This was the worst reffing I ever saw, so slanted, it reminded me of the NBA of old, ( also why I quit watching that too). WWE on ice was, except only one team was partaking and one receiving.
Thanks god I didn't go to Boston to watch games 3 & 4. Oh crap, I did, 12-1 for the 2 games there. Never spent another penny on watching or following after that.

 

[ddcanz]

Dany and Hank in the shootout! Classic! A reminder of why they typically don't get the nod these days to participate after O/T. But fun for all.
Exciting finish to the game. The Twins had a couple of excellent shifts and some solid plays reminiscent of days gone by.
Classy move by the Knight's to wait patiently for the boys to acknowledge the fans with a skate around before a handshake session.
End of an era for sure.....

 

[Hugh Jass]

The Sedins were always criticized as being soft because they wouldnt fight. The Sisters. But they endured over a decade of being target practice for every teams first defence pairing who would continually spear, hook, punch, hold and beat them to a pulp along the boards because every teams first rule when playing the Canucks was shut down the Sedins however you can...yet they took it all and rarely missed any games over their long careers and rarely if ever, complained about...anything. They probably missed less games in total than Tanev has in this one season.

 

[Toa$ter]

Best of luck to them, their off ice contributions were huge.

 

[storm rider]

Two of the dirtiest players in NHL history who ran away from the lumps they deserved.Slash/crosscheck/hook/spear this is the mantra of the "Sedins".They played dirty and that is a fact.They also never stood up and answered when the bell was rung.

I will say the pair of them did accomplish one thing and that was an entire career with ONE team and it was a long career.Kudos to them for not being assholes who jump from team to team for more money.Very few players are known for this,hell Ray Borque played his whole career in Boston and took a trade just for the CHANCE to hoist the Stanley Cup.

Personally I have not watched a hockey game since 2 lock outs back as I got sick of whiney millionaires argueing with whiney billionaires.

I have been to one Flames game live and I was treated like shit by the surly concession staff......got a lot of better things to do with my hard earned money.

SR