One good thing Leolist did for me, is to lead me to Perb.. and make me appreciate Perb more after being exposed to Leolist. otherwise I wholeheartedly agree (minus the profanity)
Scam vs Standard practice
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I did refer to people who see me as "clients" and use "they" throughout because I would not put such behaviours past ladies either 👀 I agree - all it takes is one person to sour it all, much like any crime. I'm sorry that someone had made such a violating choice against your safety of being. It is not unusual for someone to censor out their home address on an ID, but I also understand that even that may not be enough. Perfectly fair and reasonable.
I had many concerned patrons during my agency time because there are agencies that check practically nothing at all, from phone numbers, ages, IDs, Linkedin, nothing. Part of my decision to have set my current rate and my screening protocol was the need to be strict enough so that those previously blacklisted persons will be much more unlikely to accept my new terms. I had worked hard to bulk up that blacklist over the first few months there, and was able to focus and enjoy many wonderful shifts without issue after that. I'm happy with the quality of clientele I currently spend time with!
(not an expert) There is some precedent in Canada to protect against those who short workers $$, but not much of a criminal system to necessarily protect a standard human from stalkers, harassers, and such malicious persons. It's a shame.
For decades now ive had a PO box in town that i use as my address for everything. Nothing goes to my home addresses. I move and travel alot. If police pull me over they sometimes try to say this isnt your home address. I say yes it is, i live in a 12" by 4" by 4" box. They never bother with me after that.😎
Also because the amount of the fraud ($50--$300 I'm guessing ) is so small that perusing it all the way to the courts would cost more than the fraud.
But keep in mind these people are not generally SPs, and they're not selling sex. They're guys asking other guys to send them e-transfers and gift cards.
If they were saying "send me money or I'll send these messages to your wife," that would be blackmail and illegal.
So I think it comes down to buyer beware. Frankly, I don't have a lot of sympathy for guys who send funds to anonymous email addresses. That's just stupid.
The easiest way to almost guarantee an experience, as promised is to see someone who is established.
That’s not to say that somebody new isn’t amazing, but that is just a little bit riskier.
if a lady has an established been around for a couple/few years, or an established social media following that is also a couple/few years old, she is most likely legit.
People who are scamming typically change their name/phone number/email frequently, and don’t put in the time, effort or finances to create proper websites or maintain a strong social media following.
Nothing is guaranteed, but in my opinion, that is the singular quickest way to ensure you get what is agreed upon.
if a lady is newer and/or doesn’t have established and maintained marketing, then do your due diligence, or use your gut instinct.
Have a beautiful week!
That’s not to say that somebody new isn’t amazing, but that is just a little bit riskier.
if a lady has an established been around for a couple/few years, or an established social media following that is also a couple/few years old, she is most likely legit.
People who are scamming typically change their name/phone number/email frequently, and don’t put in the time, effort or finances to create proper websites or maintain a strong social media following.
Nothing is guaranteed, but in my opinion, that is the singular quickest way to ensure you get what is agreed upon.
if a lady is newer and/or doesn’t have established and maintained marketing, then do your due diligence, or use your gut instinct.
Have a beautiful week!
Yes. I've been saying that here for years. Deposits were supposed to save the legitimate SPs from no-shows. Instead, it opened the doors to scammers who have created a whole new industry. I don't think the ladies who started this deposit monster truly understood how gullible and stupid men could be.
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Don’t be so sure, reputable girls also scam. They just are more subtle about it, remember what this business is and the names they refer clients to, t r I c k, why do you think that term is used.
The scammers sure do and some of the stories the pooners tell here about just how they were ripped off makes me question the ancestry of many of them.
Exactly! What was to be legit, now opened up a boat load of scammers. It was just a matter of time scammers would jump on that bandwagon. What's worse, as we now all know. You're info is all out there. Imagine if everyone in this industry required bank e-transfers? You're private info is now out there to all those different people!! Let that sink in. I still choose the opposite route and thank goodness there's still plenty. This retracted a lot of $$ to some ladies from potential nice / good clients as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure plenty on here too. I understand it's business but, NOT all of us are painted with the same brush. I'm pretty sure that would apply to many of us VETERANS on here with ample posts. Just my point on view, of course.
It's a fine line, and I may catch some flack.
This industry as a whole is a hustle. The women are here to make a money, and not be someone's girlfriend. Services are rendered for a reward, and that makes it legit, but it is still a hustle. Fantasies are carried out, and it can be extremely satisfying, but when a man starts falling for the hustler, he can be taken advantage of, and he needs introspection and a step back.
This is simply a cautionary note. The men have to be sure not to fall for their sp, and keep their activities diverse, or they will be taken advantage of.
There are some girls who have pimps or "boyfriends" who coach them, to effectively get the most out of a client. Just be cautious, and don't fall.
This industry as a whole is a hustle. The women are here to make a money, and not be someone's girlfriend. Services are rendered for a reward, and that makes it legit, but it is still a hustle. Fantasies are carried out, and it can be extremely satisfying, but when a man starts falling for the hustler, he can be taken advantage of, and he needs introspection and a step back.
This is simply a cautionary note. The men have to be sure not to fall for their sp, and keep their activities diverse, or they will be taken advantage of.
There are some girls who have pimps or "boyfriends" who coach them, to effectively get the most out of a client. Just be cautious, and don't fall.
There is a delicate balance in meeting the safety and security (personal and economic) needs of the ladies and the needs of customers to insure they don't get scammed. For example, a few years back, I would not have considered putting out a deposit but now I don't mind doing so for reputable local providers.
While visiting ladies have the same or greater security needs, I am still uncomfortable providing down payments so I stick with local providers.
While visiting ladies have the same or greater security needs, I am still uncomfortable providing down payments so I stick with local providers.
That's precisely it. Just take a look at threads like "Most Number of Times with the Same Provider" or listen to the guys who discuss their "regulars," mentioning that they are sometimes "exclusive" with them, even when the provider doesn't reciprocate that exclusivity. Meanwhile, nearly all of these providers are sleeping with guys they find attractive on the side for free. Many also have clients they’re attracted to, offering them complimentary services, freebies and special treatment, even if those clients aren't regulars at all.
A man who has a healthy relationship with women and experience with them views this hobby for what it truly is: it’s just sex. While having a solid social connection adds value, at its core, it’s simply about sex.
Many guys involved in this hobby are being "hustled" and taken advantage of, and they are in deep denial about it.
Do heavily edited photos and misrepresenting one’s age fall under the categories of scam or standard practice?
Seems like its both lol
Seems like its both lol
I'm pretty sure you're getting your verbiage confused... SP's refer to clients as "Johns" not "tricks"... "tricks" are the services that are provided in the reference parlance.
A John can also be called a trick but providing services can also be called turning tricks...
Ask one if they refer clients to “tricks” or “Johns”, the majority of current SP called them the former not the latter
