Relationship with a HO
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I wish that the above was true, but I think it's a bit idealistic to say the least... caring about someone is not enough to make a relationship work. There are a lot of things to consider, not just in this case, but in any relationship that concerns issues of one's past.expo joe said:
I'll refrain from saying more.
That's it right there. Many guys have a lot of hangups over being with women who are more sexually experienced than they. They want their women to be more innocent and virginal. And we guys have a biological instinct to be territorial about our mates, and not share them with other males. Besides biology, it's a mindset derived from their early upbringing and from prior sexual experiences. Some can overcome it, but many cannot.sheik yerbouti said:
As for the "ho" issue...it's interesting, really. I was once told by a SW years ago that "ho" is a more acceptable word than "whore". And I recently was getting the impression that "ho" was acceptable in many younger circles...witness these "pimps and hos" nights put on by nightclubs today. But in our PERBian circles, to refer to an SP as a "ho" is no more acceptable than us clients being called "johns" or "tricks". Perhaps "ho" is meant to be used in a sarcastic context, maybe?
OK, so I wasn't really making a point in that last paragraph...just musing over our ever-evolving linguistics. Carry on.
for one thing i didn't mean that women cannot enjoy their sexual experience. i've spent a lot of time with women hoping they enjoy their sexual experience with me. what i was talking about was a thread a while back in which women rationalized that it was alright for them to have sex with other men cause it was their job but if they had a boyfriend and he had sex with someone else that it was wrong and they were being cheated on.Daisy Dreams said:
the rational for this was that it was their job and that the man was doing it just for pleasure. what a crock of shit that was. women it seems at times can rationalize anything to suit their situation.
also if you think there is nothing wrong morally with taking an experience that is supposed to be a special physical and mental intimate connection between two people and then charging money for it is A-O.K., then to each their own i guess. now i'm no angel i take part in this "hobby" but i mean i was also raised with some idea of morals and even though i do it, i'm not overly proud of it cause a small part of me knows that morally it is wrong.
i do it mainly cause loneliness is a bitch and its just easier then trying to get together with some of the tarts, flakes and headcases that are out there these days. for me its less about sex and more about being lonely and wanting to feel a connection with someone.
also i really doubt porn is more risky. i mean these performers are tested all the time, how many times have you heard about aids in the industry in the last 25 years? also many studios and "talent" are going with condoms now, vivid is an example. the exception to this would be blowjobs.
gotta disagree with you daisy dreams. you are right about one thing, yes the problem is his problem but now please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think its HIS problem in the manner in which i am perceiving you saying it.
yeah its his problem because a woman that he has been seeing for a year wants to go out and sell ass again. if i were him i'd be calling her a ho too. now thats not how i think of all women in the biz but i mean c'mon gimmie a break. its HIS issue cause he doesn't want his girlfriend to go out and get fucked every which way two or three times a day for money?
sorry to say but very few guys out there and women for that matter would be alright with that. you speak as if this is the only way for a woman to make some big bucks. yeah its the easy way and maybe that is what the problem is. she has become used to the easy cash and has no desire to push herself to achieve something else. so many of the women set the equal rights movement back about 30 years with this statement that selling pussy is the only way to achieve their goals. its not the only way but sure is the easy way.
so therefore i'll give you my opinion. she is being selfish in this realationship. to expect her boyfriend of a year to be cool with the fact that she is gonna go suck multiple guys off everyday and expect to come back to a loving home is pretty selfish. also yes i know there are realationships out there like that and cudos to all of you but i will say that you are all in the minority.
its not HIS problem for not wanting his girlfriend that he feels a special connection with to go out and sell pussy, its her problem for feeling that the only way she can make anything of herself is to sell herself to every beck and caller. now lets all remember the rational here given by many sp's. she is doing it for biz, if he does it, its cheating. what a mind fuck!
i realize this will not be a popular view on here but whatever, its my opinion and i know that its shared by others.
yeah its his problem because a woman that he has been seeing for a year wants to go out and sell ass again. if i were him i'd be calling her a ho too. now thats not how i think of all women in the biz but i mean c'mon gimmie a break. its HIS issue cause he doesn't want his girlfriend to go out and get fucked every which way two or three times a day for money?
sorry to say but very few guys out there and women for that matter would be alright with that. you speak as if this is the only way for a woman to make some big bucks. yeah its the easy way and maybe that is what the problem is. she has become used to the easy cash and has no desire to push herself to achieve something else. so many of the women set the equal rights movement back about 30 years with this statement that selling pussy is the only way to achieve their goals. its not the only way but sure is the easy way.
so therefore i'll give you my opinion. she is being selfish in this realationship. to expect her boyfriend of a year to be cool with the fact that she is gonna go suck multiple guys off everyday and expect to come back to a loving home is pretty selfish. also yes i know there are realationships out there like that and cudos to all of you but i will say that you are all in the minority.
its not HIS problem for not wanting his girlfriend that he feels a special connection with to go out and sell pussy, its her problem for feeling that the only way she can make anything of herself is to sell herself to every beck and caller. now lets all remember the rational here given by many sp's. she is doing it for biz, if he does it, its cheating. what a mind fuck!
i realize this will not be a popular view on here but whatever, its my opinion and i know that its shared by others.
Shit, Sorry Amale.
I never really go back to threads that I have posted on. To be truthful, I only read certain people's posts.
To answer, yes it is. I have set my mind to something like a mad dog and I am not giving up until the fat lady sings so to speak. This practice has helped me achieve many goals that I have had and that I continue to have. For being the age that I am, I have gone further than most have at that point in their lives. I only recently believed this. I am VERY hard on myself and about succeeding. Maybe that is why I almost never fail?
In my post, I meant it as if he really wants to be with her, than he can. He is only putting up obstacles for himself by saying 'Can't, won't or don't'. Successes are never reached by these words.
The only thing stopping anyone from getting anything is themselves. People need to exude more confidences in themselves and stop pouting on the sidelines.
As my dad always told me and I quote...
"Keep your fucking stick on the ice"
American Male said:
I never really go back to threads that I have posted on. To be truthful, I only read certain people's posts.
To answer, yes it is. I have set my mind to something like a mad dog and I am not giving up until the fat lady sings so to speak. This practice has helped me achieve many goals that I have had and that I continue to have. For being the age that I am, I have gone further than most have at that point in their lives. I only recently believed this. I am VERY hard on myself and about succeeding. Maybe that is why I almost never fail?
In my post, I meant it as if he really wants to be with her, than he can. He is only putting up obstacles for himself by saying 'Can't, won't or don't'. Successes are never reached by these words.
The only thing stopping anyone from getting anything is themselves. People need to exude more confidences in themselves and stop pouting on the sidelines.
As my dad always told me and I quote...
"Keep your fucking stick on the ice"
What you choose to do as a job eventually is who you are, like it or not. If your chosen profession is to be a prostitute, then eventually the characteristics, lifestyle, etc., of a prostitute become you. Same with porn star. You begin to identify with your job, and it becomes your identity. You begin to think like the job that you have chosen. Same with dentists, lawyers, teachers, etc. You are that person in some way or other.Daisy Dreams said:
So if your bf is a porn star, or your gf is a prostitute, you had better learn to live with the fact that it affects their life even when they are not on the job. I know this, because my gf is an SP.... something I sometimes regret greatly.
you are so right about this.... that women can rationalize anything to suit them. it's their subjective/warped way of seeing things, particularly through this ethereal thing called "feelings" by which they seem to think the world revolves (when it suits them, of course), and only use facts when feelings fail to suit their cause.smackyo said:
You can have a 'relationship' with anyone.es_rice said:
You can have a sexual relationship with an ex-prostitute.
You can have a sexual relationship with a prostitute for the right price.
You can't make a prostitute become an ex-prostitute.
They like the attention too much. They will meet some dude with money comin' out his ass. Who takes care of their financial needs. Who talks them into quittin' the biz. But they go back anyhow. Why? Not 'cause of the money. They miss the attention that dozens of desperate, sex-starved guys lay on them every week.
That goes for at least one girl I know anyhow. Can't speak for them all.
now where was i...
yeh I'm in a bad mood right now. Had a big piss off with my SP-GF, something happened to me that should not happen to any man. I was eating her out and had my fingers up her twat when I noticed something weird inside. I poked in a bit further and hooked my finger into it and pulled it out. It was a condom!!!! I fucking freaked out and yelled at her. I asked what the fuck she has been doing and she proceeded to explain to me that a customer tricked her and she noticed during sex he had no condom on. I said you lost control of the situation, and she got angry. Well apparently the guy was in her with a condom, but while she was not looking he slipped his hand down there and held the condom while he pulled out of it and then went back in bare. I am pretty fucking angry with that guy and angry with her. If I ever meet that guy I'm going to slit his throat from ear to ear. And as for her, she's unbelievably fucking stupid and I've told her so. I blame her for losing control of the situation, something an SP should never lose. FUCK I'M PISSED.TJ in the 'Peg said:
I would be pissed and SOUR!
She is/was stupid. I hope you are okay.
Yes, it is always good to get out and leave if you feel that you are losing control of the situaion.georgebushmoron said:
She is/was stupid. I hope you are okay.
daisy dreams.
so let me get this straight. because i stick up for the feelings of a man that is probibly very hurt right now after finding out that his gf wants to go suck other guys dicks and be fucked by strangers all day and then charge them money for it that i am sending out negative energy????
yeah she gave him a choice alright. if you want to stay with me deal with the fact that i'll fuck about 2 to 5 different guys everyday and have them shoot their cum all over me and god knows what else goes on during the session, if you can't handle this then see ya later.
boy thats one hell of a great situation for a guy to be in if he cares for this girl. but yeah as far as you put it its his choice and his problem right? hhhhmmmm well for me anyway its not that easy. you care about someone and they give you that choice. sorry but i'd be pissed too and you better believe i'd call her a ho, probibly more then that.
also as far as what you said about how i shouldn't be around an sp or an sp shouldn't be subjected to my negative energy, if you had the chance to talk to every girl that i have been with both gf and sp you'd find out that i treated all of them with the utmost respect and was never threatening or had a hate on for any of them.
as far insulting everyone on this board, i don't think i did that at all. yes i do think that participating in this is morally wrong. i don't rank it up there with murder or even petty theft for that matter but i really doubt that everyone on here customer and provider a like is so proud of what they do that they let all their family, friends, and co-workers know about it.
i don't personally think that its morally right both mentally and spiritually to charge someone money for something that is supposed to be a pure expression of feeling or love between two people. charging money for it makes it something else, something not so pure. but hey thats just my opinion. also like i said i am no angel, i partake in this hobby for reasons of which i have already stated. i know that some girls do this to survive cause they are in dire circumstances and i can understand that. i'm not trying to be anyones judge here. how could i anyway cause i'd just be a hypocrite.
once again how very noble of her to be honest and give him that choice (sarcasm) also its funny that when a man sticks up for the feelings of another man that is either very conflicted or very hurt by this that all the women come down on him. all thats been mentioned by most women on here is her feelings and just whats best for her, never mind the fact that this guy is probibly really torn up and hurt by this.
so let me get this straight. because i stick up for the feelings of a man that is probibly very hurt right now after finding out that his gf wants to go suck other guys dicks and be fucked by strangers all day and then charge them money for it that i am sending out negative energy????
yeah she gave him a choice alright. if you want to stay with me deal with the fact that i'll fuck about 2 to 5 different guys everyday and have them shoot their cum all over me and god knows what else goes on during the session, if you can't handle this then see ya later.
boy thats one hell of a great situation for a guy to be in if he cares for this girl. but yeah as far as you put it its his choice and his problem right? hhhhmmmm well for me anyway its not that easy. you care about someone and they give you that choice. sorry but i'd be pissed too and you better believe i'd call her a ho, probibly more then that.
also as far as what you said about how i shouldn't be around an sp or an sp shouldn't be subjected to my negative energy, if you had the chance to talk to every girl that i have been with both gf and sp you'd find out that i treated all of them with the utmost respect and was never threatening or had a hate on for any of them.
as far insulting everyone on this board, i don't think i did that at all. yes i do think that participating in this is morally wrong. i don't rank it up there with murder or even petty theft for that matter but i really doubt that everyone on here customer and provider a like is so proud of what they do that they let all their family, friends, and co-workers know about it.
i don't personally think that its morally right both mentally and spiritually to charge someone money for something that is supposed to be a pure expression of feeling or love between two people. charging money for it makes it something else, something not so pure. but hey thats just my opinion. also like i said i am no angel, i partake in this hobby for reasons of which i have already stated. i know that some girls do this to survive cause they are in dire circumstances and i can understand that. i'm not trying to be anyones judge here. how could i anyway cause i'd just be a hypocrite.
once again how very noble of her to be honest and give him that choice (sarcasm) also its funny that when a man sticks up for the feelings of another man that is either very conflicted or very hurt by this that all the women come down on him. all thats been mentioned by most women on here is her feelings and just whats best for her, never mind the fact that this guy is probibly really torn up and hurt by this.
Let me get this straight:
- A girl can choose to go back to being a SP and if her S.O. has a problem with it, then the S.O. can take a hike?
- So if said girl chooses to go back to being a SP, it doesn't matter what her S.O. feel about it, right?
- Therefore, the only choice for the S.O. is to accept the girl going back to being a SP in order to stay as S.O.?
- What if her S.O. decides to be involved in the sex business when she decides to go back to being an SP? The S.O. doesn't have that choice, eh?
I don't know, Daisy. It sounds too much like a one-way street relationship. A relationship has to go both ways and it gotta have give and take on both parts.
Regarding my last question, you may say that the girl is being a SP just for business and money. However, aren't there other professions that can earn money without the need of becoming a S.O.?
If it's not for the business and money and it's for the pleasure and company of different men, then why does she have, want and need a S.O. or BF in the first place? Wouldn't it be right if the S.O. or BF sees other women (civies or SP) for the pleasure and company also?
- A girl can choose to go back to being a SP and if her S.O. has a problem with it, then the S.O. can take a hike?
- So if said girl chooses to go back to being a SP, it doesn't matter what her S.O. feel about it, right?
- Therefore, the only choice for the S.O. is to accept the girl going back to being a SP in order to stay as S.O.?
- What if her S.O. decides to be involved in the sex business when she decides to go back to being an SP? The S.O. doesn't have that choice, eh?
I don't know, Daisy. It sounds too much like a one-way street relationship. A relationship has to go both ways and it gotta have give and take on both parts.
Regarding my last question, you may say that the girl is being a SP just for business and money. However, aren't there other professions that can earn money without the need of becoming a S.O.?
If it's not for the business and money and it's for the pleasure and company of different men, then why does she have, want and need a S.O. or BF in the first place? Wouldn't it be right if the S.O. or BF sees other women (civies or SP) for the pleasure and company also?
I disagree on two points:Daisy Dreams said:
1) The thoughts are not small because it's from the thoughts that I posted that things can go from snowball to avalanche.
2) How is it that he's in the position that he is in? Don't you think his GF put him in that position when she told him that she's going back to being a SP or prostitute or sex worker or whatever term you call it?
Tell me how will you like it if your S.O. tells you that he is going to see other SPs or get involved in porn? Did he put you in that position or did you put yourself in that position?
shedevil said:
I'm still fucking pissed. Good thing I learned to control violent urges long ago, or there would have been blood. She was an idiot alright. I've told her so many times that you can not trust any fucking pooner, and that she should never allow any man's hands to go down there when they are having sex - for precisely this reason. I know a lot of pooners out there love to have bareback any way they can get it, even if it means tricking the girl. This is a form of sexual assault and I wish she had the courage to pursue this in court. Anyhow she caught him without a condom (though he was already inside) and went to look for where it went. She works at an MP so it is often dimly lit, so she could not find it and assumed the guy stashed it somehow. What an idiot she is, didn't even think to look in her pussy. Her pussy is big but it even surprises me it could get lodged up in there without her knowing. Surprisingly, she put on another condom on the guy and kept going. I would have fucking screamed at him and kicked him in the balls right there and then. I told her never to have him as another customer. I'm still so fucking pissed!!!!!!! AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH
It doesn't dampen it any further than it already has been. I view most SPs as stupid girls who are too lazy to get a real job. But there are some who are intelligent and do things smartly, and I respect them for looking after their health, being paranoid about pooners, and eventually moving on. The smart ones are few and far between. Unfortunately, I realise now I'm going out with a stupid one. Maybe that makes me stupid.Daisy Dreams said:
Oh!
I would have fucking screamed at him and kicked him in the balls right there and then. I told her never to have him as another customer. I'm still so fucking pissed!!!!!!! AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH[/QUOTE]
Yes, well you have every right to be.
The thing I don't get is, why wouldn't she be looking for it to begin with?
Why be intimate with you and try to hide it and endanger your safety?
That deception is unforgivable in any relationship.
Good to let her go, there are others that are more worthy of you.
I would have fucking screamed at him and kicked him in the balls right there and then. I told her never to have him as another customer. I'm still so fucking pissed!!!!!!! AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH[/QUOTE]
Yes, well you have every right to be.
The thing I don't get is, why wouldn't she be looking for it to begin with?
Why be intimate with you and try to hide it and endanger your safety?
That deception is unforgivable in any relationship.
Good to let her go, there are others that are more worthy of you.
