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Mikehma

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Can someone please point me to the Nicole Green thread. As someone who genuinely appreciates the ladies I am able to see, I've enjoyed this thread. I would like read the topic thread as it might give me more insight into what the ladies think.
 

hornygandalf

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Or maybe you come accompanied by your favourite Vancouver lady. I'd like to meet Ms. James.
The pleasure was all mine.
No, we all had pleasure to some degree in that encounter. You can't hoard all of the pleasure for yourself... though your evening certainly continued a lot longer than mine ;) The followup will also be interesting... and pleasurable :)
 
I'd just like to say just because an SP you are in a session with isn't looking to be your girlfriend or have NSA sex with you doesn't mean for that time we are together we don't enjoy the experience of getting to bring happiness, peace and bliss to your life and feel rewarded for getting to do that. Sex work is just like any healing, therapeutic modality for those that choose to experience it that way. Of course some woman and men are incapable of really breaking past the superficial surface layer of sex or intimacy or feeling and there is a place for that type of mentality in this industry as that is all the client is looking for as well. I get that there is a dark side, and that if you don't have thick skin and know your worth this industry can destroy you.

I feel like girls who have the view this woman does, well why would you put yourself through that ? As a female born in Canada we have choice and we have opportunity. I can't imagine being sexual in the most personal of ways with people you despise. That's a true living hell right there no matter how much money you are making. Is one worth the other ? I don't get it.

People only voluntarily work for money. I kind of get insulted when people say "oh you are only in it for the money", well ya, like you are in law for money or you are in insurance for money or you work in sales for money. Of course ! But a true definition of happiness is spending time doing work you love, that you feel makes the world a better place and that you make an impact on someone's day. Some of us feel that way about sex work. Would I do it for free no, but would I do any other job for free, no. I still have bills to pay, fun to have and dreams to make come true.

Sex work rarely aligns with other goals a girl has in life and of course starting a family or getting the job you went to university for, or having a baby will end up taking precedent and we will leave. But it doesn't mean it wasn't a meaningful part of our lives we look back on in appreciation or happiness. Including all the great guys we met along the way. The bad ones are easily forgotten.

I don't think many girls who stay in for more then a few years feel the way this girl feels...
Beautifully said! I couldn't agree more with you!
Thank you for posting :)
 

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We pay them to smile at us, tell us what we want to hear and screw us then tell us we are wonderful. But after the few hours are done they are out of there and they start again with the next guy. Maybe every once in a while a guy comes along with windshield washer fluid or a little gift. And it lights up their day. But most guys are in and out especially the one hour or half hour crowd. Our hope is to get the most out of them and they get the most out of us. It is a game. We fool ourself if we think it is anything but. However every once in a while a real SP shows up and blows us away. Like wise every once in a while a real gentleman shows up and wows the SP.
That's nice Dickson, yes it is true that every once in awhile you meet a truly real and nice person on the job, and the worker meets a truly nice and real customer. But it is YOU who fools yourself into thinking it is anything but a game for most. What you said above, about paying them to smile at us, laugh at our fucking stupid jokes, pretend to care about our concerns, as though we should sympathize with how hard a job it is to put up with us - c'mon man, grab a spine. Nobody forces them to be there earning $200+ an hour. IF I and many other men could earn $200+/hr AFTER TAXES, ie: $400/hr, I'd put up with a lot of shit and so would any other rational person. They don't like earning $400/hr? They want to whine about their work? They want to call their customers assholes? They can quit. Go find another job that pays $400/hr! Yeah, right?


I guess that is why I do what I do to make it memorable for me and to I hope make it special for the SP. And if I stumble across the right one look out. I try to find something to make it special by taking them away, giving them new clothes, giving them a romantic adventure. I know after they are done with me they go back to their apartment or hole in the wall. Trying to make ends meet. Looking after their kids, or a dead end job with a boss they hate. They go home to wash us off of them. Thinking who can I talk to about what I do. Even high end ladies have clients who demand more because they pay more. More money might mean getting her to do more degrading acts. The big spenders spend but they also demand more.
Yes it can be disgusting. Yes it can be degrading. But once again, you treat them like children, like they don't have their own agency. You treat them like they don't have options, when in fact, they could go and do a square job and get paid shit but be respected, or actually go get a career like you or me and make decent money, or start getting a real education (not some liberal arts bullshit) that will afford them the ability to pay for their own lives and their dependents, etc. Yes, they could use a little help if they're stuck, and that is why we're there. But you've bent over backwards for people that frankly, only deserve it if they don't whine and be mean about it - it being the choices they've made. Look at it this way - if it were a man in that position, whining and complaining, nobody would have any sympathy and there's no reason at all to uphold a double-standard when they have had equal opportunity all along.

Don't get me wrong there are a number of good ladies and a number if good clients like some if us. But understand we are an exceptions to the rule. I can see it in how the hounds were released on this young lady and the personal attacks on her regarding her size or her background or her services. Attacking her is the reason why she got like that. People like us that made her express her feelings like that. I don't blame her. I have been ripped off more times than I care to remember. No need to get bitter and blame them. I am the pathetic piece of crap that wanted to pay her to do and say what I wanted her to do. So being ripped off was what I deserved. I seek it out and when I get it I should not be surprised. It was not what I was looking for but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.
Being attacked comes with the territory. Not all can be sugar and spice, you know. These "ladies" need to grow up and stop acting like children. If you choose to be a Hollywood celebrity with all the perks and money, be prepared to make some personal sacrifices. Get real people, it's a fact of life. If you want to be successful in your career Dickson, you have to make personal sacrifices and you well know this. Yes having sympathy for your fellow man/woman is a good thing to do, but you need to center yourself in that to bring up their worth and yours.


I want something - I want to feel I am a good person. I want to feel loved, wanted, desired, I want to be held, I want someone to make love to me, and in exchanged I am willing to pay. It seems like a fair exchange of money for value. At least from where I stand.
Sorry my friend, but you should recheck your values if you're willing to pay to be loved. The money you've spent on whores might be better spent on seeing a sympathetic and caring personal counsellor, then when you're whole again you can enjoy these girls for what they're actually selling - sex.
 

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Can someone please point me to the Nicole Green thread. As someone who genuinely appreciates the ladies I am able to see, I've enjoyed this thread. I would like read the topic thread as it might give me more insight into what the ladies think.
It is like the Misty Moonlight thread without the spreadsheet of each client's name, email, phone and sexual requests. Another SP that hates every aspect of what she does and thought that "retiring" means that it is wise to burn every bridge behind her. Misty Moonlight kept trying to come back - problem there was no where far enough away that somebody didn't "out" her and her girlfriend' retirement actions. Nicole Green will have the same problem. I'm pretty sure that the thread she started has already been removed.

The clients pay for the fantasy of having a "real girlfriend" for a couple of hours. When the fantasy is removed, what is left isn't worth paying for. That's why the difference between Badger and Dickson's reviews of the expensive fantasies and the rather brutal reviews of the AMP and Micro SPs. Sticking tab A into slot B isn't really worth that much.
 
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Dickson

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Duster my man a little bitter? Jealous about how much a provider can earn, perhaps?

Sorry you feel that way to the provider community.

Oh by the way I already have a high priced counselor/Doctor who takes my money and advises me on plans of action. My lawyer also recommends that I enjoy the services of SPs to meet my companionship needs. Much more cost effective than a so call real relationship. Much less painful and a whole lot more pleasurable.

I too have made a choices like you say the ladies do as well. Maybe you feel my choices are not good ones but until I start paying you for that advice you might want to keep it to yourself. Because I pay my SPs for more than just sex. For me they are more than a pussy. They are service providers. For a price they provide me with a service. A service I determine I want and need. If that includes telling me I am loved or wanted or desired. Then so be it. At least for the time we are together. Call it acting or what ever you want but I want to touch their souls and for them to touch my heart. I want to feel the emotions. If that requires me to buy them things or take them places then that is what I do. If they choose to see me fine if they prefer to see clients like you fine. But one thing for sure, is the ones I see you may never see, and heaven help me if I ever see one you have seen.

So lets just agree to live in separate universes for the time being. I am not here to judge. Just to let you know my perception is my reality while I am with my provider. It is not too much to ask her to play that role with me. You my friend have other wants and need that are yours. That is your reality and you are welcome to it.
 
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Lee Marvin

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Dear Dickson et al,
Tonight I'm really appreciating this thread. I'm sitting here once again with a painful case of blue balls because a disrespectful sp decided to blow me off. It is just one of the many negative experiences I've subjected myself to in search of sexual healing and satisfaction.
There's plenty of names I could throw out on this forum as retribution for my perceived dissatisfaction but I've always refrained from indulging myself that way. I agree that, on some level,we bring it on ourselves by partaking in this enterprise. I would have to say roughly 25% of my experiences have been terrible or close to it. 50% of experiences were basically less than satisfying. And 25% were good to really great. So 75% of experiences were less than satisfactory. Price, agency/"independent", ethnicity, even some of the best regarded ladies advertising on this board, none of it seems to prevent serious disrespect to outright fraud.
I agree that for my 75 % negative experiences from sp's that they in turn could well experience an even greater number of dissatisfaction and disrespect at the hands of men.
Incidentally, I saw Nicole twice. She was hot and into it the first time. The second time she was sad and drinking. I felt sad because she had some issues that were obviously affecting her and it wasn't looking good.
Your quote: "but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.*"
Is the reminder for me. If you literally expect everything to be straight up and respectful then you'll get hurt and angry.
This is the reality from the guy's side.
Ladies all I can say is please think twice before you blow a guy off. He has sought you out for some healing and you're about to cause another wound. Sound familiar EO? At very least give the client a chance to respond before unilaterally cancelling an appointment. That's for you AB.
Blueballs and rejection can destroy a guy.
 
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Lee Marvin

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breaking silence

Sorry newbie double post.
 

hornygandalf

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Sorry my friend, but you should recheck your values if you're willing to pay to be loved. The money you've spent on whores might be better spent on seeing a sympathetic and caring personal counsellor, then when you're whole again you can enjoy these girls for what they're actually selling - sex.
Having seen Dickson and Catherine together, I would suggest that they have a mutually beneficial (and uncomplicated) relationship that goes well beyond the monetary exchange. To suggest there isn't any deeper connection, possibly akin to love, because of the presence of a monetary exchange, is doing their relationship an injustice. There is much more in the relationship than just sex... although that is clearly an important part, but it should also be in any healthy married relationship. They may not fit social norms in terms of how a relationship should be structured, but they have found something that works for them... for the time being. And Dickson is having some deeply rooted needs met in a way he hasn't experienced with any one else. There are many marriages/relationships that have monetary support as part of the core. How is this that much different?
And are you suggesting that marriages don't also involve some form of pecuniary gain/exchange as well? Often they do, though maybe not as explicitly as you find in a SP/client transaction.

But, what Dickson and Catherine have is also unusual in an SP/client relationship. It is all on a continuum and they occupy one far end of that continuum. And to outsiders seeing them together, they could just be a blissfully happy married couple.
 

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Dear Dickson et al,
Tonight I'm really appreciating this thread. I'm sitting here once again with a painful case of blue balls because a disrepectful sp decided to blow me off. It is just one of the many negative experiences I've subjected myself to in search of sexual healing and satisfaction.
There's plenty of names I could throw out on this forum as retribution for my perceived dissatisfaction but I've always refrained from indulging myself that way. I agree that, on some level,we bring it on ourselves by partaking in this enterprize. I would have to say roughly 25% of my experiences have been terrible or close to it. 50% of experiences were basically less than satisfying. And 25% were good to really great. So 75% of experiences were less than satisfactory. Price, agency/"independant", ethnicity, even some of the best regarded ladies advertising on this board, none of it seems to prevent serious disrepect to outright fraud.
I agree that for my 75 % negative experiences from sp's that they in turn could well experience an even greater number of dissatisfaction and direspect at the hands of men.
Incidently, I saw Nicole twice. She was hot and into it the first time. The second time she was sad and drinking. I felt sad because she had some issues that were obviously affecting her and it wasn't looking good.
Your quote: "but if you are going to dig for gold you better be prepared to get dirty.*"
Is the reminder for me. If you literally expect everything to be straight up and respectful then you'll get hurt and angry.
This is the reality from the guy's side.
Ladies all I can say is please think twice before you blow a guy off. He has sought you out for some healing and you're about to cause another wound. Sound familiar EO? At very least give the client a chance to respond before unilaterally cancelling an appointment. That's for you AB.
Blueballs and rejection can destroy a guy.
When you book with an AMP, Micro or short service SP (15 min, 30 min, 45 min) you can't expect anything more than the SP "servicing" you as fast as possible. If there is any interaction of a personal type, you are very lucky. That sort of assembly line service is also soul destroying for most sex workers. That's why some of them get a little flakey. A lot of the phone girls, bros and mamasans make promises the sex worker can't or doesn't want to keep. Which is soul destroying when the sex worker is viewed or views herself as a object - a living masturbation doll.

That's why the "High End" SP has a role in this industry. The Independent High End sex worker has the choice of who they will see, what acts they will perform, how much they will compromise their personal safety and how much they expect to be paid. The client has the right to expect the sex worker to indulge him in the fantasy of a caring relationship. THAT is what is really being sold. If the sex worker can't or won't indulge the fantasy - the sex worker quickly finds that the clients refuse to pay what is asked for. If the sex worker does a really good job of indulging the fantasy, they get trips all over the world and shopping at Tiffany & Co..

I've known a few High End SPs and they tend to be quite sane about the business that they run. Many have other interests that they can indulge because men like me enjoy their company and are willing to pay their price.

That's why being jealous of who Dickson sees is stupid. You aren't going to get what he gets unless you pay what he pays.

Don't expect $1000 service from $200 Sex Workers. Don't be obviously angry, "entitled" and resentful when attempting to make an appointment with a sex worker that you haven't seen before. No sex worker wants to risk their personal safety with an angry person that may deliberately hurt them or ignore their boundaries. Most sex workers quickly learn to tell when they may not want to see a client.
 

Dickson

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Having seen Dickson and Catherine together, I would suggest that they have a mutually beneficial (and uncomplicated) relationship that goes well beyond the monetary exchange. To suggest there isn't any deeper connection, possibly akin to love, because of the presence of a monetary exchange, is doing their relationship an injustice. There is much more in the relationship than just sex... although that is clearly an important part, but it should also be in any healthy married relationship. They may not fit social norms in terms of how a relationship should be structured, but they have found something that works for them... for the time being. And Dickson is having some deeply rooted needs met in a way he hasn't experienced with any one else. There are many marriages/relationships that have monetary support as part of the core. How is this that much different?
And are you suggesting that marriages don't also involve some form of pecuniary gain/exchange as well? Often they do, though maybe not as explicitly as you find in a SP/client transaction.

But, what Dickson and Catherine have is also unusual in an SP/client relationship. It is all on a continuum and they occupy one far end of that continuum. And to outsiders seeing them together, they could just be a blissfully happy married couple.
Thanks Horny, but you need to understand what you see is an illusion that Ms James is is able to create once she understands the client. Make no mistake about it, it is an illusion. Like a great magician she is able to get you to see what you want to see. She encourages it, and she massages it, and she is able to make you think it is real. Just as she made you think that this attractive Lady was seeking a couple men to join her for a drink. That was just in a few moments of meeting her.

I have been seeing her for over a year. She knows how to turn me on and how to make me feel what I crave. She sets and creates a place in your mind that causes you to think it is real. What is exciting is when she takes the fantasy to the rest of the world to see. Like in your case. I bet she is smiling reading your thoughts. BINGO she got you thinking that there is more to what she created by opening up my fantasy. What is exciting for her is when she leaves and you think it is real. Like she says she falls in love with each client. I ask her after a year of seeing her, taking her around the globe, showering her with gifts. (which I thought she wanted but she pointed out I was giving her those gifts to make myself feel good) I asked her "am I her ATF?" She sums it up with "every client she is with is her ATF". Do not mistake the Illusion for any thing else. It is a mirage that your mind wants to think. You and I both wanted to see an attractive young lady falling for us. She just encourages that to happen. We think it is real because she feeds all senses to make us think it is real. Our perception now becomes our new reality. Then the ride is over and we feel we were gullible. But we were just giving into to what our mind wants to see. Catherine is amazing as weaving this and playing on our own desires and wants. I guess that is why I am addicted to her.

To see more than that is missing the reality. I bet if you saw her with any of the other countless clients.she services you would think the same way. She also.pointed out to me that 80% of her customers have been with her nearly two years. She has only been doing this for nearly two years. She treats her regulars like gold. Better than me. But that is not the point. What you experienced watch us together was watching her weave her magic or the dream I want.

Catherine is a dream weaver and depending on your dream she will give you what you want and need like no other.
 
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Dickson

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When you book with an AMP, Micro or short service SP (15 min, 30 min, 45 min) you can't expect anything more than the SP "servicing" you as fast as possible. If there is any interaction of a personal type, you are very lucky. That sort of assembly line service is also soul destroying for most sex workers. That's why some of them get a little flakey. A lot of the phone girls, bros and mamasans make promises the sex worker can't or doesn't want to keep. Which is soul destroying when the sex worker is viewed or views herself as a object - a living masturbation doll.

That's why the "High End" SP has a role in this industry. The Independent High End sex worker has the choice of who they will see, what acts they will perform, how much they will compromise their personal safety and how much they expect to be paid. The client has the right to expect the sex worker to indulge him in the fantasy of a caring relationship. THAT is what is really being sold. If the sex worker can't or won't indulge the fantasy - the sex worker quickly finds that the clients refuse to pay what is asked for. If the sex worker does a really good job of indulging the fantasy, they get trips all over the world and shopping at Tiffany & Co..

I've known a few High End SPs and they tend to be quite sane about the business that they run. Many have other interests that they can indulge because men like me enjoy their company and are willing to pay their price.

That's why being jealous of who Dickson sees is stupid. You aren't going to get what he gets unless you pay what he pays.

Don't expect $1000 service from $200 Sex Workers. Don't be obviously angry, "entitled" and resentful when attempting to make an appointment with a sex worker that you haven't seen before. No sex worker wants to risk their personal safety with an angry person that may deliberately hurt them or ignore their boundaries. Most sex workers quickly learn to tell when they may not want to see a client.
So true and you identified the difference between the lower end and higher end ladies.Bravo.....
 

Caramel

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I haven't read the most recent replies to this thread, definitely will soon when I have time ...just wanted to say, everytime I come to this subject, I feel like, I wish guys would stop thinking this woman speaks for all or most sex workers, and that she somehow represents "what the ladies think"...its insulting what she says, not even as a sex worker but just as a human being in general.
 

Dickson

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I haven't read the most recent replies to this thread, definitely will soon when I have time ...just wanted to say, everytime I come to this subject, I feel like, I wish guys would stop thinking this woman speaks for all or most sex workers, and that she somehow represents "what the ladies think"...its insulting what she says, not even as a sex worker but just as a human being in general.
You are right Ms Green speaks for only Ms Green. However we do tend to put people in boxes to be able to try and make sense of a rather.complicated world we live in. I just know that over the last 30 years and thousands of SPs there are dome common practices and general results of what I have seen.

For those younger ladies forced into this world it can be brutal. The higher end ladies it is a much more.enjoyable experience depending on what people are looking for. However higher end or lower end it really does not matter what is important is the respect for both parties. If we loose that respect for fellow human beings it can go down fast and we all lose. However the point of the thread is to understand that perception is reality building. Realize that not all reality is good. We need to respect that and understand that.
 
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