Racist experience that pissed me off last week!
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I see why you carry a bat in your car. You have a bit of a chip on your shoulder and are just waiting for someone to knock it off. Get some help for your anger or it will eat you up.Verb said:
i beg to differ. being verbally abusive to someone in a public setting and having race be the key factor is a hate crime. also what those punk ass bitches were doing was disturbing the peace.metoo113 said:
Metoo113, do you think your experience bouncing (and obviously you are a big guy) gives you a different perspective on how you would defend yourself and your family?
Have you ever been in a situation where you not only had to defend yourself but an elderly man and an 8 year old kid? I'd love to hear about it, I promise I won't critique why you did what you did or make assumptions about you!
Have you ever been in a situation where you not only had to defend yourself but an elderly man and an 8 year old kid? I'd love to hear about it, I promise I won't critique why you did what you did or make assumptions about you!
Good luck getting a conviction on that, I think the guys Verb assaulted would stand a better chance of success.smackyo said:
The thing is that I'm not really a big guy, only 6 foot, 200lbs. A lot of my co-workers were a lot bigger. I used tack, discussion and talking to defuse a situation. Sometimes it would come down to fighting but those times were rare. It's a choice you make and how you react in a situation.metoo113 said:
"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." Gandhi
The vast majority of immigrants who come to this country, or any country with a different language for that matter, have a very strong desire to learn the official languages. Anyone, of course, would love to just float in and be able to pick up the language with out any problems and be able to speak fluently within days.goodlube said:
But it doesn't work that way, unfortunately. Learning a language takes a long time and even longer if the person does not have a strong command of the language before immigrating. And sometimes, it's just not possible for some people to study it before leaving their country as a lot these countries from which these people are leaving are very poor and do not have the schooling available. In this case, they are forced to learn by ear, which is very difficult. But they are trying, believe it or not. And sometimes, what you are perceiving as rudeness or indifference, is simply a shyness or lack of certainty on how to act or communicate.
Additionally, I don't know if you've ever been abroad for an extended period of time (and I'm not talking about a weekend in Mexico), but living in a strange place with a strange language with strange customs is exceedingly stressful and very tiring. And if you happen to run into a person from your home country or who speaks the same language, I defy anybody to tell me that they would not revert to their mother tongue when communicating with each other. It's not about trying to be rude, it's not about trying to resist assimilation, it's about doing what comes naturally, is relaxing, and finally being able to relate to someone on the same level.
I can understand why you would perceive things that way, but I'm telling you the desire is there. What's needed is patience.
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Verb said:Man...I giving up on you man....
Most asian against asian murders are related to Drugs and Gangs and NOT racism against the same race....What you are saying has nothing to do with the situation I was in.
I'm not to sure asian can be considered a race
but thats off topic haha
I think the only thing I feel you did wrong is putting yourself in danger by retaliating to these assholes. Regardless of whether or not they deserved it, if they press charges you will be held responsbile
which would suck but thats life
well that would be for the crown to decide and four hoods menacing a 8 year old kid and and elderly man and someone able defend himself, i'm sure the judge would use some common sence in that case.metoo113 said:
yep, good point. i remeber being in japan for a few months and anytime i saw a black or white guy i wanted to talk to them even if i had nothing to say. it felt like such a relife to be able to communicate verbally. shit man i even watched beverly hills 90210 when it was on tv.aznboi9 said:
smackyo said:
Yeah, common sense does not exsist in our justice system. How about 2 years house arrest for killing a person.
WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
Man...thats bull....It was never about intimidation.....
If you talk about intimidation...Go ask the 4 guyz harassing us...I went to my car to pick up my bat when those fuckers came out screaming at us...
Whatever man...I understand that my ations were illegal but I thought it was needed at the time... Tell me...What would you do if 4 guyz followed you and your mother and wouldn't stop harassing you??? What if you had the feeling it could lead to violence? Wouldn't you take the first step to protect yourselves?
Geez...With these idiotic response...I will just ask the mod to delete this thread as it seems like some of you are not mature enough to handle a grown up conversation.
WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
And fuck you...I was born in Vancouver and I have never set a foot in China so don't assume shit!
Verb, myself being in private security, you should carry a baseball glove and and a couple of balls in your car. it's illegal to carry only a bat around, since the law can say your intention was to use it as a weapon, but your wheel lock would be legal in your car for obvious reason. with ball/bat/gloves, you can say you were playing baseball and just happened to have those item in your car
and for using the bat in the situation of yours, though i wished for the days when people settled disputes with fists instead of weapons, you were outnumbered so it just leveled the field.
now for the issue of immigrants learning english, i know for a fact that almost my entire family (except for those born here or doesn't live here) none of them speaks english, even though they have been here for at least 30 years. true, some immigrants do learn, but lots just find it easier to just be around those who speak the same native tougue. i am pro-anglophone, so i do believe all canadians should speak english, whether they do it in public or not i don't care, but i want to make sure that if i was having a heart attack or got ran over by a bus, the person closest knows how to communicate with the authorities
and for using the bat in the situation of yours, though i wished for the days when people settled disputes with fists instead of weapons, you were outnumbered so it just leveled the field.
now for the issue of immigrants learning english, i know for a fact that almost my entire family (except for those born here or doesn't live here) none of them speaks english, even though they have been here for at least 30 years. true, some immigrants do learn, but lots just find it easier to just be around those who speak the same native tougue. i am pro-anglophone, so i do believe all canadians should speak english, whether they do it in public or not i don't care, but i want to make sure that if i was having a heart attack or got ran over by a bus, the person closest knows how to communicate with the authorities
Verb,
I guess it was too difficult to hop inside the car and drive away? Maybe it was not possible.
I don't want to imply anything, since none of us were there to experience what you had to go through... it is a lot easier to criticize someone's actions from behind the fence, but when put up in front of a dangerous (or what appears to be dangerous) situation everyone reacts differently.
It's like a pain threshold... not everyone feel pain the same way.
Oh and just a comment, you're just giving people ammo when you reply to them with strong language and tell them to go fuck themselves, giving them a reason to call you a short tempered person.
Peace!
I guess it was too difficult to hop inside the car and drive away? Maybe it was not possible.
I don't want to imply anything, since none of us were there to experience what you had to go through... it is a lot easier to criticize someone's actions from behind the fence, but when put up in front of a dangerous (or what appears to be dangerous) situation everyone reacts differently.
It's like a pain threshold... not everyone feel pain the same way.
Oh and just a comment, you're just giving people ammo when you reply to them with strong language and tell them to go fuck themselves, giving them a reason to call you a short tempered person.
Peace!
In an ideal society, immigration Canada would ask immigrants to be able to communicate at a basic level in either of the official languages as a prerequisite to being accepted as a permanent resident, not to even mention being sworn in as a Canadian Citizen.festealth said:now for the issue of immigrants learning english, i know for a fact that almost my entire family (except for those born here or doesn't live here) none of them speaks english, even though they have been here for at least 30 years. true, some immigrants do learn, but lots just find it easier to just be around those who speak the same native tougue. i am pro-anglophone, so i do believe all canadians should speak english, whether they do it in public or not i don't care, but i want to make sure that if i was having a heart attack or got ran over by a bus, the person closest knows how to communicate with the authorities
Any "emergency" type immigration cases (like refugees) should have to go through mandatory intensive immersion.
Ahh.... utopia.
But I guess in the end it's all about $.
And don't tell me that learning a language is too hard... it takes time and effort but it's never "too hard". Babies learn how to speak, why can't adults?
