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Lots of prolific people have passed this year. Muhammad Ali was certainly a hero to many in and outside the boxing world. Myself included.


Boxing legend Muhammad Ali has died after being admitted to hospital yesterday for respiratory problems. He was 74.
 

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"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee".
Ali was one of the greatest. He was an entertainer both inside and outside of the ring. I always enjoyed the jabbering between him and Howard Cosell .
 

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Beverly Hills. In the Kitchen eatin' vittles.
While not a big boxing fan I grew up during what I call the Golden Age of the Heavyweight division.
I remember all those Wide World of Sports shows highlighting Ali and of course the back and forth with Howard Cosell.
I'm sure they are gong at it right now up staris. LOL!

And As all the accolades pour in from all over the world for this great man, wasn't he a Muslim?
Maybe someone should point that out to all the Americans who want to ban Muslims from America.
 

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Jethro Bodine you are right. Ali was Casius Clay when he became famous but in those days "the Draft" was mandatory for the US military.
War in Vietnam was raging on. Clay was called up for the Draft. He fled the country , converted to Islam I think? Then changed his name to
Mohammed Ali. As I remember it caused lots of friction amongst boxing fans and people in general. Maybe thought of as a traitor?
I don't think most people knew what a Muslim was in those days? The big issue was him avoiding the military.
Cat Stevens , musician, did the same thing .
I was pretty young back then, I hope I got this right. Google time?
 

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I am not a boxing fan either. I think it is a brutal sport. But that's not the point. I have to say Ali had to be one of the greatest sports personality in many many decades.

Although people still debate boxing being the cause of his brain damage, it was a pity seeing him in that condition for last many years.

RIP Ali.
 

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i had a very unconventional upbringing for a girl in the 60s. My father was a jock, and he had no sons. Television was new; my parents bought one so my dad could watch sports. Cassius Clay Jr. was a gold medal winner at the 1964 Rome Olympics, but when he came home to Louisville, Kentucky, he couldn't get a hamburger at a whites-only diner; he was so disillusioned he dropped the medal off the Louisville Bridge. He refused to participate in the draft for the Vietnam War because he viewed it as a war of oppression. In his own words "I ain't got no problem with no Viet Cong: No Viet Cong ever called me 'nigger'!"

I watched his fights, I loved his bravado & I will always regret that I never got a chance to meet the man. RIP The Greatest of All Time...
 

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i had a very unconventional upbringing for a girl in the 60s. My father was a jock, and he had no sons. Television was new; my parents bought one so my dad could watch sports. Cassius Clay Jr. was a gold medal winner at the 1964 Rome Olympics, but when he came home to Louisville, Kentucky, he couldn't get a hamburger at a whites-only diner; he was so disillusioned he dropped the medal off the Louisville Bridge. He refused to participate in the draft for the Vietnam War because he viewed it as a war of oppression. In his own words "I ain't got no problem with no Viet Cong: No Viet Cong ever called me 'nigger'!"

I watched his fights, I loved his bravado & I will always regret that I never got a chance to meet the man. RIP The Greatest of All Time...
Here here!

Great post and I used to go to the PNE to watch the closed circuit fights.

The Thrilla in Manilla was the best fight of all time. Both Ali and Frasier nearly met their makers that night.

Darkbeer: Ali never fled the USA. He stayed to make his fight with the US Supreme Court and he won there too as Conscious Objector on religious grounds.
 

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RIP - the world champion, back when that term still meant something.
 

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Ali converted to what was then radical black Islam long before he came up for the draft. His issue with the draft was not religious. It was that he saw no valid reason why he should go to a foreign country and shoot poor people who had not done anything wrong to him. Basically, he was trying to cast off oppression by the white majority at home and understood that it would be hypocritical for him to fight in an imperial war abroad for that same white majority. He was stripped of his heavy-weight title (first time he lost the title) and banned from boxing. Eventually the Supreme Court overturned his ban and he returned to win the title again.

He fought Canadian George Chuvalo twice, won both fights but never put him down despite his best efforts. Ali said that Chuvalo was the toughest person he ever fought.

Ali had many faults, as many great people do, but he epitomized the idea that every person is entitles to be treated with dignity. He was a symbol of that for me my entire life.
There are two versions of his autobiographical film "The Greatest"; the original version came out in 1977 & starred Ali as himself. I bought my dad the book for Father's Day the year it came out, as he was a big fan.
 

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. Cassius Clay Jr. was a gold medal winner at the 1964 Rome Olympics
Minor detail, but it was the 1960 Olympics.

You simply could not hate the guy. He was so likeable.
Except for the cruel manner in which he attacked Joe Frasier to get into his head before their legendary fights. Poor Joe could never get over it.
 

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Thanks Peace Guy, Badbadboy and wiinky too for all the good info here, I appreciate that.
I wasn't trying to lead anyone astray with bad info,was just early this morning, trying to remember bits of stuff from too many years ago?

That's what I luv about this board, lots of good knowledgeable people on many topics!
I'm a Lounge guy basically.
 

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Minor detail, but it was the 1960 Olympics.

You simply could not hate the guy. He was so likeable.
Except for the cruel manner in which he attacked Joe Frasier to get into his head before their legendary fights. Poor Joe could never get over it.
Thank you. I knew it was before I was born, not sure how much beforehand....
 

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so true. But it should also be noted that his second fight with Ali was the last fight of his professional career. Chuvalo had a good career and picked a good moment to hang up the gloves.

Ali never fought professionally during what are typically the prime years of a fighter's life due to the revocation of his fight license. Almost all of his most memorable victories were when he was really past his prime. Those lost years are the price he paid, willingly, in service of a more important issue. The missed opportunities, the missed millions of dollars in prize money, were unimportant to him compared with his moral convictions.

Had he gone into the military in compliance with the draft, he would not have seen combat due to the potential impact of his death would have on the public perception of the conflict. Ali knew that, but felt that to comply would undermine the moral position of non-famous black men who had no public agency that were also being drafted. He resisted the war long before the war was unpopular. That battle that he chose to undertake with no monetary reward and little certainty of victory is probably the most important fight of his life. It certainly had the most influence on American society.

I just googled Chuvalo's ring record.He fought 6 or 7 more bouts after the 2nd Ali fight,retired in 1978.
 

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Ali was a first class guy all the way, he did do some dumb things like antagonize Joe Frazier who never got over it but Ali more than made up for it lending his voice to inequity and for the betterment of mankind!
I have a DVD called "Facing Ali" and its a love fest from many who fought Ali. Henry Cooper, George Foreman, Ken Norton, George Chuvalo and Joe Frazier to name a few.

Although Ali used the microphone to goad Frazier (ugly, can't dance, can't box and can't sing looks like a gorilla etc) it is widely accepted they loved each other like brothers. That was the feeling I got when I first watched it and again on the day Ali passed away.

Interesting comment from George Foreman about how much class Ali had as a fighter. When in the Rumble in the Jungle and Foreman was going down, Foreman commented that Ali could have hit him again as he was going towards the canvas but pulled back. George had a lot of respect for Ali for not hitting him in the back of the head as he got knocked out.

If you are a boxing fan or a sports fan in general, this DVD is a good one to own.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1419318/
 
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