Question for the SP's: session start / end and what makes you a clockwatcher?

[addicted2lov]

I know this topic has been discussed before and among the pros there is some consensus in general about when the session starts and ends and when the clock starts and ends ticking.

But in my experience there are some great variations on how the SP's approach the topic and the methods. I've noticed older SP's are clearly more indulgent while the rookies are more to the opposite. Also, the geographical area seems to be a factor too: girls in Surrey or Maple Ridge treat the topic differently than the ones in Yaletown, while hippies in the Commercial drive or New West may be super relaxed and don't seem to care about the clock too much.

I believe most appointments in the industry are between 30 min and 1hr with some slight variations: 15-20 min (quickies), 1.5-2 hrs.
So my questions are:
If the pooner is late 5 or 10 minutes *but he calls ahead to let you know* - do you deduct the minutes from the session?
If the pooner has shower solo before (because you ask him or because he asks) - do you deduct the shower time from the session?
When you have good chemistry with the pooner or actually like him - how do you remind him the time is up?
Does it make a difference for first visits vs repeats?
Do you put the timer ring when you actually reciprocally enjoy the session AND you don't have anything else coming up next?

I realize this question may raise some debate but I'm interested mostly in SP's opinions. And I realize the clock is sometimes the only way to protect yourself from a session that you don't actually enjoy - e.g. the guy is unpleasant, etc. For the scope of this topic please clarify your answers.

And ultimately - this question is more for the pooners - what makes an SP a clockwatcher? In today's smartphone era, anybody can put their phone to ring at a predefined time so they don't have to physically watch the clock at all. And if they close their eyes and throw in some fake moans they can't be called watchers of any kind .... But you can still sense it. So is clockwatcher synonym with not into the session, absent, doesn't enjoy it, etc, ...?

 

[Elmore]

I wonder about this a bit as well.
I saw an escort and, at her request, we sat and chatted for a while. The convo was nice as she is intelligent and interesting. Then she showed me to the shower and by the time I got out I lost track of what time it was. When does the session start?
Each escort is different (for some the shower time is included in the session) but I understand the business nature of the relationship and never want to abuse it so I don't mind clearly knowing when I should be out the door but I would ideally like to maximize that time.

Maximizing that time is a separate subject altogether. I was told up front by one escort after booking a one hour session and declining the massage at the beginning that "there was no way I was going to be banging her for 1 hour straight".

Not that I suggested that was what I wanted but for someone like her, if we had chatted and after showering, I would have no doubt that the clock was ticking from the moment she buzzed me in and I was walking through the lobby to the elevators.

 

[VanessaofBC]

If the pooner is late 5 or 10 minutes *but he calls ahead to let you know* - do you deduct the minutes from the session? NO

If the pooner has shower solo before (because you ask him or because he asks) - do you deduct the shower time from the session? NO

When you have good chemistry with the pooner or actually like him - how do you remind him the time is up? Only if there is no indication he will be able to "finish" in a reasonable time, I would suggest he "book longer next time, darling!"

Does it make a difference for first visits vs repeats? Absolutely!!! Although I am equally nice to everyone all the time. Regulars just get "perks"!

Do you put the timer ring when you actually reciprocally enjoy the session AND you don't have anything else coming up next? NO. I just cross my figures and hope that the gentleman is respectful of my time and what he paid for. Pushing my boundaries will result in NOT being invited back, no matter how "nice" you are.



I realize this question may raise some debate but I'm interested mostly in SP's opinions. And I realize the clock is sometimes the only way to protect yourself from a session that you don't actually enjoy - e.g. the guy is unpleasant, etc. For the scope of this topic please clarify your answers.

Hope that helps.

 

[Tugela]

I would guess there are three main considerations (1) how much you are paying her; (2) how much of an asshole you are; and (3) how busy the rest of her evening is.

 

[normisanas]

If as a client you want to minimize your risk, here's an approach:

- if she's the kind you can pay at the end of the session, pay her immediately when you've stopped having sex. With that out of the way, she'll feel relieved and if she entertains any discussion with you, it's implicit on HER time.

- if she's the kind you must pay at the beginning of the session, don't pay until she starts to undress you or her clothes are coming off and after the conversation ends. In other words, do the whole sit on the couch, talk, get to know each other thing but don't get intimate, but when it does, then take out the money. Its implications are usually pretty clear, but in case there's any doubt, as you're handing it to her say, "Our session starts now then". It goes doubly true if there's an unattended shower, try to pay her after you get out of the shower. If she asks for the money before the shower, then she should be gracious to you and not start the clock till you're in her bed. Also, never have a conversation on her bed, because it is assumed you've already paid and you shouldn't be there chatting about life.

 

[NataliaBijoux]

My sessions start when the clients gets out of the shower and money is always exchanged before he gets into the shower.
I can see why some girls include the shower time as the start of the session, some men take long showers.
Every client is different, Yes clients are there for sexual services, but alot of clients enjoy the companionship and conversation with girls as well.

 

[juniper]

Norm is being utterly reasonable given the nature of the transaction: Business.

 

[addicted2lov]

If as a client you want to minimize your risk, here's an approach:

- if she's the kind you can pay at the end of the session, pay her immediately when you've stopped having sex. With that out of the way, she'll feel relieved and if she entertains any discussion with you, it's implicit on HER time.

- if she's the kind you must pay at the beginning of the session, don't pay until she starts to undress you or her clothes are coming off and after the conversation ends. In other words, do the whole sit on the couch, talk, get to know each other thing but don't get intimate, but when it does, then take out the money. Its implications are usually pretty clear, but in case there's any doubt, as you're handing it to her say, "Our session starts now then". It goes doubly true if there's an unattended shower, try to pay her after you get out of the shower. If she asks for the money before the shower, then she should be gracious to you and not start the clock till you're in her bed. Also, never have a conversation on her bed, because it is assumed you've already paid and you shouldn't be there chatting about life.

Norm,
I believe you got it all wrong and your answers don't make any sense. If you're trying to be funny that didn't do it. My questions are mostly for the SP's and the idea is to make things better for everybody not how to be a jerk. No normal SP should accept money after shower or after the session for the simple reason that people thinking like you exist.

 

[BORKO]

I wonder about this a bit as well.
I saw an escort and, at her request, we sat and chatted for a while. The convo was nice as she is intelligent and interesting. Then she showed me to the shower and by the time I got out I lost track of what time it was. When does the session start?
Each escort is different (for some the shower time is included in the session) but I understand the business nature of the relationship and never want to abuse it so I don't mind clearly knowing when I should be out the door but I would ideally like to maximize that time.

Maximizing that time is a separate subject altogether. I was told up front by one escort after booking a one hour session and declining the massage at the beginning that "there was no way I was going to be banging her for 1 hour straight".

Not that I suggested that was what I wanted but for someone like her, if we had chatted and after showering, I would have no doubt that the clock was ticking from the moment she buzzed me in and I was walking through the lobby to the elevators.

My sessions start when the clients gets out of the shower and money is always exchanged before he gets into the shower.
I can see why some girls include the shower time as the start of the session, some men take long showers.
Every client is different, Yes clients are there for sexual services, but alot of clients enjoy the companionship and conversation with girls as well.

I wouldn't have a problem if an escort told me exactly when the clock started and I even appreciate it when escorts subtly hint that I am nearing the end of the session time so I know that it is time to start finishing up.

On the situation of when the clock starts running, in my opinion I think that it should always start after reasonable shower time especially if the lady wants her client to be extra squeaky clean.

 

[VanessaofBC]

If as a client you want to minimize your risk, here's an approach:

- if she's the kind you can pay at the end of the session, pay her immediately when you've stopped having sex. With that out of the way, she'll feel relieved and if she entertains any discussion with you, it's implicit on HER time.

- if she's the kind you must pay at the beginning of the session, don't pay until she starts to undress you or her clothes are coming off and after the conversation ends. In other words, do the whole sit on the couch, talk, get to know each other thing but don't get intimate, but when it does, then take out the money. Its implications are usually pretty clear, but in case there's any doubt, as you're handing it to her say, "Our session starts now then". It goes doubly true if there's an unattended shower, try to pay her after you get out of the shower. If she asks for the money before the shower, then she should be gracious to you and not start the clock till you're in her bed. Also, never have a conversation on her bed, because it is assumed you've already paid and you shouldn't be there chatting about life.

The reason we like to collect before is #1 - Piece of mind. And #2 - You may be in such a "state of bliss", paying may slip your mind when you are headed out the door.

Believe it or not this HAS happened to me once. Thankfully, it was a long time regular who dropped off the money the next day.

So it is not to be cold, rude or bitchy. Just to "get it out of the way" so neither one of us "forgets".

 

[BORKO]

I know this topic has been discussed before and among the pros there is some consensus in general about when the session starts and ends and when the clock starts and ends ticking.

But in my experience there are some great variations on how the SP's approach the topic and the methods. I've noticed older SP's are clearly more indulgent while the rookies are more to the opposite. Also, the geographical area seems to be a factor too: girls in Surrey or Maple Ridge treat the topic differently than the ones in Yaletown, while hippies in the Commercial drive or New West may be super relaxed and don't seem to care about the clock too much.

I believe most appointments in the industry are between 30 min and 1hr with some slight variations: 15-20 min (quickies), 1.5-2 hrs.
So my questions are:
If the pooner is late 5 or 10 minutes *but he calls ahead to let you know* - do you deduct the minutes from the session?
If the pooner has shower solo before (because you ask him or because he asks) - do you deduct the shower time from the session?
When you have good chemistry with the pooner or actually like him - how do you remind him the time is up?
Does it make a difference for first visits vs repeats?
Do you put the timer ring when you actually reciprocally enjoy the session AND you don't have anything else coming up next?

I realize this question may raise some debate but I'm interested mostly in SP's opinions. And I realize the clock is sometimes the only way to protect yourself from a session that you don't actually enjoy - e.g. the guy is unpleasant, etc. For the scope of this topic please clarify your answers.

And ultimately - this question is more for the pooners - what makes an SP a clockwatcher? In today's smartphone era, anybody can put their phone to ring at a predefined time so they don't have to physically watch the clock at all. And if they close their eyes and throw in some fake moans they can't be called watchers of any kind .... But you can still sense it. So is clockwatcher synonym with not into the session, absent, doesn't enjoy it, etc, ...?[/QUOTE]

I think good clock management is just as good if not better than being "not a clockwatcher". I had a session recently where I noticed the SP checking the time as we were getting started and we finished almost exactly on time and I left feeling as satisfied, if not more satisfied, then when I saw someone that was "not a clockwatcher".

 

[PlayfulAlex]

If as a client you want to minimize your risk, here's an approach:

- if she's the kind you can pay at the end of the session, pay her immediately when you've stopped having sex. With that out of the way, she'll feel relieved and if she entertains any discussion with you, it's implicit on HER time.

- if she's the kind you must pay at the beginning of the session, don't pay until she starts to undress you or her clothes are coming off and after the conversation ends. In other words, do the whole sit on the couch, talk, get to know each other thing but don't get intimate, but when it does, then take out the money. Its implications are usually pretty clear, but in case there's any doubt, as you're handing it to her say, "Our session starts now then". It goes doubly true if there's an unattended shower, try to pay her after you get out of the shower. If she asks for the money before the shower, then she should be gracious to you and not start the clock till you're in her bed. Also, never have a conversation on her bed, because it is assumed you've already paid and you shouldn't be there chatting about life.

Norm,
I believe you got it all wrong and your answers don't make any sense. If you're trying to be funny that didn't do it. My questions are mostly for the SP's and the idea is to make things better for everybody not how to be a jerk. No normal SP should accept money after shower or after the session for the simple reason that people thinking like you exist.

I think Norm is replying tongue-in-cheek to every client that complains that they didn't get their full 60-minutes worth. There are countless reviews that say something like 'she pushed me out at the 50-minute mark' or 'I got ripped off because we still had 15-minutes left and she didn't offer me another shot' etc etc etc, ad nauseum...

Of course, the client should leave happy but 5-10 minutes here or there, c'mon. Is this really worth complaining about or discussing at length? How many clients have suggested and paid for an hour but, at the 40-minute mark, they realize they are happy and satisfied, and ready to get on with their day? Many!

If a guy feels unfairly rushed, or that he's received substandard service on one or many levels, he has the opportunity to say so in his review. No one likes a rip off around here. But worrying about counting down the minutes is just a little too petty. 'Is my shower included in my time?' please...

 

[VanessaofBC]

I think Norm is replying tongue-in-cheek to every client that complains that they didn't get their full 60-minutes worth. There are countless reviews that say something like 'she pushed me out at the 50-minute mark' or 'I got ripped off because we still had 15-minutes left and she didn't offer me another shot' etc etc etc, ad nauseum...

Of course, the client should leave happy but 5-10 minutes here or there, c'mon. Is this really worth complaining about or discussing at length? How many clients have suggested and paid for an hour but, at the 40-minute mark, they realize they are happy and satisfied, and ready to get on with their day? Many!

If a guy feels unfairly rushed, or that he's received substandard service on one or many levels, he has the opportunity to say so in his review. No one likes a rip off around here. But worrying about counting down the minutes is just a little too petty. 'Is my shower included in my time?' please...

We all love Alex because she can put thoughts so well into words.

I would NEVER "rush" a client out. In fact I sometimes have to tell clients "I wish I could see you today but I am afraid it's a bit too tight with my schedule and I would hate for you to feel rushed out."

And yes, a lot of clients do leave of own their own accord if they have got everything they wanted out of the session. Not everybody has the luxury to spend an hour or more with a lady for whatever reason. either due to time constraints or financial ones.

ANd yes, if you feel cheated or ripped off report it here. Since everyone here is an adult then can then use their judgement and your review when deciding which lady to choose.

 

[Elmore]

If a guy feels unfairly rushed, or that he's received substandard service on one or many levels, he has the opportunity to say so in his review. No one likes a rip off around here. But worrying about counting down the minutes is just a little too petty. 'Is my shower included in my time?' please...

Being petty obviously is a 2 way street and that is where the clock watching label comes occurs.
Some guys prefer 30 minute sessions and so do some ladies.
The guy books a 1 pm appointment and gets there exactly at 1pm...gets buzzed up (a few minutes go by from when he arrives to the front of the building to when he actually enters her apartment), exchanges greetings and has a quick shower...so it's 1:08 by the time the session actually starts and in her mind he booked a 1pm appointment and he's getting the 5 minute warning at 1:22. There are some women like that.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Being petty obviously is a 2 way street and that is where the clock watching label comes occurs.
Some guys prefer 30 minute sessions and so do some ladies.
The guy books a 1 pm appointment and gets there exactly at 1pm...gets buzzed up (a few minutes go by from when he arrives to the front of the building to when he actually enters her apartment), exchanges greetings and has a quick shower...so it's 1:08 by the time the session actually starts and in her mind he booked a 1pm appointment and he's getting the 5 minute warning at 1:22. There are some women like that.

I have heard that, Elmore, and I agree with you, that's being petty on her side. On the rare occasion that I have multiple appointments, I would never book two so close together that a fellow can't be 5 minutes late (I realize that, in your example, our protagonist was on time). Having said that, if someone's lateness would cause me to worry that I'm now gonna be squeezed for time, I would for sure tell him that before we got started. Any lady that turns a 30-minute appointment into a 20-minute appointment because she has a tight timeframe, and doesn't notify the client prior, so that he can make his own decision, deserves a comment as such in the review.

Your point is well taken...

 

[badbadboy]

FWIW many only loosely watch the clock if I have booked a 90 or 120 minute appt. I have had a couple or three try to sit on the couch and talk for an extended i.e. 45 minutes period prior to me showering. I thought they just wanted to sound off and it was 'off the clock'. Later I found the 45 minutes started the minute I walked in the door and when I left 20 minutes late, I was asked for a tip?? I was dumbfounded. It was like, you chose to talk for 45 minutes and not allow me to go to the Bathroom to shower and now I have to pay to listen to you talk? Did not repeat

I am respectful of SP's time but unless I specify when I am booking the appt so that I want to talk for half of my appt, it should be assumed I am there for sex and it is not to have time deducted to talk about "stuff". I do enjoy finding out what they have been up to lately and the ones I repeat with are respectful of my time as well as their own. On the other hand I have had a few ask me to stay just to hang out and talk; those were enjoyable afternoons

 

[VanessaofBC]

I am surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

When I used to offer one hour or longer sessions I wanted to talk the first little while to get to know the client. I can let the client catch his breath and get comfortable in my home. It is fun to chit chat for a bit and for some guys they need to hear you laugh, joke and tell stories so that they realize that you are a human being and not just a "h**ker".

Now, that being said there are guys that come in and they have one thing on their mind. And that one thing they want to happen twice. They are so focused that these types are eager to jump straight into action, THEN take the time to laugh, joke and tell stories before they make an attempt at round #2.

So, imo, the longer the date the more "balance" you need. This is to ensure the client gets good VFM and you don't wear yourself out (physically or mentally).(unless you are engaged in some multi hour fuck fest then that might be your goal).

Now that I provide shorter sessions, I always ask if they want to start with a massage, this way I still get a chance to chit chat while I am "warming them up" for action.

 

[addicted2lov]

That's why I don't offer a 45 minute rate. As I just don't understand them. How can you define the difference in a session with in those 15 minutes. However never take kindness for granted. A few habitual late ones and and over stayers who I threatened to never see again unless they smartened up are dog housed with alarm timers.

LadyVia - thank you so much for your answer! I always wondered why some girls offer the 30', 45' and 1 hr. In my mind the 45' is a clear sign of clock watching but I didn't want to say it until you mentioned it Marketing it's an art after all

 

[kauffman]

[Its difficult to time everything as everyone takes a different amount of time for differedifferent things. Talking, showering, massage whatever. Like anywhere the appointment usually is for the amount of time that is paid for. Over time it is easier to cater to client knowing what their preferences are. Clients can also take the initiative and discuss their preferences, w or of course, book lkonger sessions. after becoming familiar with a client that I have confort with time flies. I dont book back to back but if there is someone coming within the next hour there needs to be time to shower, clean the shower and sink, floor, change sheets, pillowcases, fix hair makeup etc so going overtimein a part of the day that is in demand is difficult.
]

 

[kauffman]

Norm,
I believe you got it all wrong and your answers don't make any sense. If you're trying to be funny that didn't do it. My questions are mostly for the SP's and the idea is to make things better for everybody not how to be a jerk. No normal SP should accept money after shower or after the session for the simple reason that people thinking like you exist.

I believe how the session goes and when the payment is given is up to the one providing the service. THe client decides if the service and how it is presented and what is offered is the one he is going to choose. TH e service provider designes the business and offerings based on what she is willing to provide. If it isnt what the client wans then walk to the next store.... I dont understand the holding onto the money as though its some kind of power tool. Questions and specifics should be adressed before booking the service, otherwise, go along with what is being provided. respectfully