Question for the ladies regarding the doggie position

Very Veronica

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Sounds like you got yourself princess who doesn't like sex. If the guy can give 'er, doggie allows for deepest pound or slow precision penetration, ass slapping, ball slapping, hair pulling, nuzzling the back of her neck, wrapping your arms around her, vibe/clitoral masturbation/stimulation, asshole play, headboard banging fun..looks great done in a mirror..being 'driven' controlled manhandled..etc. Demeaning no, male dominant yes and for a sexually confident woman, super hot. Meow..got myself all frisky!



Hi Ladies

Is it true that, generally speaking, girls don't like doing it doggie style? Obviously, there are going to be some who like, or even love, that particular position. But in terms of women in general, is it true that most of them don't like it?

I'm just asking because I've recently been dating this girl who doesn't and claimed that this preference, or lack of, was the case for most girls; apparently, they find it demeaning. So I was curious to see if there was any weight to that claim.

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Perfect position for everyone involved IMHO. Allows both the man and woman to enjoy themselves to the fullest.

Just grab them cheeks, pull her thighs around you and go deep!

FWIW lack of doggie in my life was one of the factors that led me to SP's in the first place ;)
 

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Even better than doggie is lazy doggie, whereby the lady lies on her tummy while I'm on top of her. I must be punching that G-spot because most SPs I'm doing this with are moaning loudly, bodies shaking and gripping the bedsheets hard! So I vary my speed and thrust, and occasionally circle it inside.
 

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I think....

We should all be more like bonobos! LOL



Bonobo Sex and Society
The behavior of a close relative challenges assumptions about male supremacy in human evolution

by Frans B. M. de Waal


I do not wish to offend any chimpanzees, but bonobos have more style. The bonobo, with its long legs and small head atop narrow shoulders, has a more gracile build than does a chimpanzee. Bonobo lips are reddish in a black face, the ears small and the nostrils almost as wide as a gorilla's. These primates also have a flatter, more open face with a higher forehead than the chimpanzee's and – to top it all off – an attractive coiffure with long, fine, black hair neatly parted in the middle.







Sex, it turned out, is the key to the social life of the bonobo. The first suggestion that the sexual behavior of bonobos is different had come from observations at European zoos. Wrapping their findings in Latin, primatologists Eduard Tratz and Heinz Heck reported in 1954 that the chimpanzees at Hellabrun mated more canum (like dogs) and bonobos more hominum (like people). In those days, face-to- face copulation was considered uniquely human, a cultural innovation that needed to be taught to preliterate people (hence the term "missionary position").








Bonobos become sexually aroused remarkably easily, and they express this excitement in a variety of mounting positions and genital contacts. Although chimpanzees virtually never adopt face-to-face positions, bonobos do so in one out of three copulations in the wild.








Perhaps the bonobo's most typical sexual pattern, undocumented in any other primate, is genito-genital rubbing (or GG rubbing) between adult females. One female facing another clings with arms and legs to a partner that, standing on both hands and feet, lifts her off the ground. The two females then rub their genital swellings laterally together, emitting grins and squeals that probably reflect orgasmic experiences.



Female Alliance

Apart from maintaining harmony, sex is also involved in creating the singular social structure of the bonobo. This use of sex becomes clear when studying bonobos in the wild.

In both bonobos and chimpanzees, males stay in their natal group, whereas females tend to migrate during adolescence. As a result, the senior males of a chimpanzee or bonobo group have known all junior males since birth, and all junior males have grown up together. Females, on the other hand, transfer to an unfamiliar and often hostile group where they may know no one. A chief difference between chimpanzee and bonobo societies is the way in which young females integrate into their new community.

On arrival in another community, young bonobo females at Wamba single out one or two senior resident females for special attention, using frequent GG rubbing and grooming to establish a relation. If the residents reciprocate, close associations are set up, and the younger female gradually becomes accepted into the group. After producing her first offspring, the young female's position becomes more stable and central.

Rather than being male- bonded, bonobo society gives the impression of being female- bonded, with even adult males relying on their mothers instead of on other males. No wonder Kano calls mothers the "core" of bonobo society.


Bonobo society is, however, not only female-centered but also appears to be female-dominated.

Amy R. Parish of the University of California at Davis reported on food competition in identical groups (one adult male and two adult females) of chimpanzees and bonobos at the Stuttgart Zoo. Honey was provided in a "termite hill" from which it could be extracted by dipping sticks into a small hole. As soon as honey was made available, the male chimpanzee would make a charging display through the enclosure and claim everything for himself. Only when his appetite was satisfied would he let the females fish for honey.

In the bonobo group, it was the females that approached the honey first. After having engaged in some GG rubbing, they would feed together, taking turns with virtually no competition between them. The male might make as many charging displays as he wanted; the females were not intimidated and ignored the commotion.

If a male bonobo tried to harass a female, all females would band together to chase him off.
Because females appeared more successful in dominating males when they were together than on their own, their close association and frequent genital rubbing may represent an alliance. Females may bond so as to outcompete members of the individually stronger sex.






Male bonobos, too, may engage in pseudocopulation but generally perform a variation. Standing back to back, one male briefly rubs his scrotum against the buttocks of another. They also practice so-called penis-fencing, in which two males hang face to face from a branch while rubbing their erect penises together.

The diversity of erotic contacts in bonobos includes sporadic oral sex, massage of another individual's genitals and intense tongue-kissing. Lest this leave the impression of a pathologically oversexed species, I must add, based on hundreds of hours of watching bonobos, that their sexual activity is rather casual and relaxed. It appears to be a completely natural part of their group life.

Based on an analysis of many such incidents, my study yielded the first solid evidence for sexual behavior as a mechanism to overcome aggression. Not that this function is absent in other animals – or in humans, for that matter – but the art of sexual reconciliation may well have reached its evolutionary peak in the bonobo. For these animals, sexual behavior is indistinguishable from social behavior.






It has been speculated by anthropologists – including C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University and Helen Fisher of Rutgers University – that sex is partially separated from reproduction in our species because it serves to cement mutually profitable relationships between men and women. The human female's capacity to mate throughout her cycle and her strong sex drive allow her to exchange sex for male commitment and paternal care, thus giving rise to the nuclear family.

This arrangement is thought to be favored by natural selection because it allows women to raise more offspring than they could if they were on their own. Although bonobos clearly do not establish the exclusive heterosexual bonds characteristic of our species, their behavior does fit important elements of this model. A female bonobo shows extended receptivity and uses sex to obtain a male's favors when – usually because of youth – she is too low in social status to dominate him.

At the San Diego Zoo, I observed that if Loretta was in a sexually attractive state, she would not hesitate to approach the adult male, Vernon, if he had food. Presenting herself to Vernon, she would mate with him and make high- pitched food calls while taking over his entire bundle of branches and leaves. When Loretta had no genital swelling, she would wait until Vernon was ready to share. Primatologist Suehisa Kuroda reports similar exchanges at Wamba: "A young female approached a male, who was eating sugarcane. They copulated in short order, whereupon she took one of the two canes held by him and left."






Human family life implies paternal investment, which is unlikely to develop unless males can be reasonably certain that they are caring for their own, not someone else's, offspring. Bonobo society lacks any such guarantee, but humans protect the integrity of their family units through all kinds of moral restrictions and taboos. Thus, although our species is characterized by an extraordinary interest in sex, there are no societies in which people engage in it at the drop of a hat (or a cardboard box, as the case may be). A sense of shame and a desire for domestic privacy are typical human concepts related to the evolution and cultural bolstering of the family.


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Everyone masturbates. French-kissing is the preferred smooch; one zookeeper was stunned when he offered his lips to a bonobo for an affectionate peck and she stuck her tongue in his mouth. On average, bonobos initiate sex once every 90 minutes. While intense, though, most sexual interactions are brief--on average around 15 seconds--and tend to be more affectionate than erotic. Orgasm and ejaculation are not always reached.


I can't imagine it would be a simple matter to find a press willing to print photos of female apes rubbing their swollen pink genitals together, or of baby apes happily climbing over two humping adults. Not to mention the evolution debate--creationists can't deal with the theory of evolution at all, much less that we might be descended from creatures who'd make a San Francisco sex party look like a 50s sock hop.

Which points to another reason that folks in the Bay Area are so taken by the bonobos: the great number of sexologists, sex workers, sex positive activists and just plain sexual adventurers who find refuge here. One sexologist phoned in during an interview with the authors to happily crow that "bonobos 'r' us" before we were repressed; others felt the bonobos represented feminist and/or gay utopia.


The bonobo population is, like that of many species, dwindling. Social unrest in the region has destroyed food supplies throughout the country, and bonobos are increasingly being hunted and eaten by people. Destruction of their habitat also poses a threat, and they are currently classified as endangered by several wildlife agencies.

The disappearance of the bonobos would be a terrible loss, especially since they've only just begun to be seriously studied. After all, we share over 98 percent of our genetic material with chimpanzees and bonobos, and, as the authors point out, "In everything they do they resemble us." The image of our ancestors as male dominant and warlike has been irrevocably altered in light of bonobo behavior: our evolutionary past is richer and more complex than has previously been believed. "Had the bonobos been known earlier," say the authors, "reconstruction of human evolution might have emphasized sexual relations, equality between males and females, and the origin of the family instead of war, hunting, tool technology, and other masculine fortes."

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This last video is a bit long but if you don't want to watch the whole thing, at least go to 03:40...








And there you have it.. Bonobos are awesome!!


PS: To find out more about the bonobos..
>Watch< PBS Nova's The Last Great Ape
 

lenny

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I'm just asking because I've recently been dating this girl who doesn't and claimed that this preference, or lack of, was the case for most girls; apparently, they find it demeaning. So I was curious to see if there was any weight to that claim.
I don't know if an SP board is the best place to ask a question about non SP relationships
based on something other than sex. BTW, i just did a search with the words "doggie style
demeaning to women" and got over 31,000 hits.

Even in seeing SP's i would feel uncomfortable to ask them to do it in doggy position,
although i went along with her on the one time when she was insistent about it. So if i
as a guy feel that way, i can certainly see how some {many, most?} women, who are
far more sensitive to such things, would also feel it is demeaning, or at least not very
romantic. Of course being with an SP is a business deal, whereas a relationship with a
girl you are dating is supposedly based on something more.

From just the name of the position, i can see how it would not have a good rep. But
when you add how it looks and the things often associated with it, like hair pulling, it
should be no surprise how your date might be reluctant to do that with anyone.

Personally i do not really care for that position, since i find it much more satisfying to
be able to kiss and have full body contact/cuddling during intercourse. As i tend to last
forever, i'd also be concerned that doggy style would be too much of a strain on the
lady's arms and/or legs. Although on days when i've turned back to the dark side, i
have no problem requesting and recieving 3 hour BBBJ's ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggy_style
 

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regarding clitoral stimulation: make it about her, and not about you. *wink wink* bring in a small and friendly handheld vibe like a bullet or something else cute. hold that against her clit as you penetrate her. doggy is the natural choice for this. save the full-on nasty hair-pulling, dirty-talking, jackhammer-pounding for when she gets over this 'demeaning' thing. :) instead tell her how beautiful she is, how much you love her body, and other niceties.
Some good points. It could be about her not feeling as connected to you while in that position. Some women want to make love while others want to fukc. Mirrors could help with eye contact, gentle caresses vs hip grabbing while pounding, etc.

I think that liking doggy position is subjective. Unless you are with a well seasoned woman, there are more variables to the position to consider such as girth, curvature and/or length of the shaft, as well as hip angle and height.

Remember, viginas are like snowflakes, no two are alike ;)

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-the-top-10-most-amazing-vaginas/
 

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I think that this may be a significant factor in her reluctance towards doggie. She isn't averse to sex, rather the opposite, but she is quite shy and, I think, has some difficulty really allowing herself to let go. So I think that it may not be the "demeaning" aspect of it but that it's a more exposed position, allowing me to see more of her which may make her more self conscious.
That it is demeaning to her, and the way you describe her shyness about being more exposed, makes sense. Sex should always be to one's own personal taste, and to talk about whether or not others think she has hangups is not to engage the relationship with her as a person with valid tastes and concerns. What is troubling, however, is that she then also says that "most girls find it demeaning". This could mean that because she needs to add leverage by anchoring it to some universal common taste that most females have, is that she may be feeling disempowered that she would not be taken seriously by you, or that she fears that you would think she is too picky or too weird or not like other girls who she suspects must exist who would let you do that. The other meaning is that if she is the nefarious type, is that she wants you to believe any bullshit that comes out of her mouth, and where sex is concerned, where the female is often in a position of power when it comes to giving/denying it, you better take what she says as the universal truth - and if you did, then it she has won in her first step in establishing power over you (rather than being an equal partner).

I would think that she is sincerely embarrassed by being exposed, but also that her choice of words signals either an overt or subvert power struggle with you. To say that other females are also averse to it was completely unnecessary; she simply could have stated her own reasons for it and that she is insecure/hurt by it, and she should have been comfortable knowing that you would accept it. You then have to ask yourself if you've ever accepted anything she's said like this without putting up a fight, and if you have, then the girl is the problem.
 

lenny

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That's the way lenny, you keep mentioning that every chance you get. I'm sure you have lots of women lining up for the pleasure of that...........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Women or working girl$? Is work always pleasurable? Maybe if you enjoy it
or enjoy pleasing others. Actually i haven't had a BJ of any kind for months,
have had no interest in one, and the hand is way better, anyway, not to
mention the price is right & STD free.
 

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Even better than doggie is lazy doggie, whereby the lady lies on her tummy while I'm on top of her. I must be punching that G-spot because most SPs I'm doing this with are moaning loudly, bodies shaking and gripping the bedsheets hard! So I vary my speed and thrust, and occasionally circle it inside.

You sure it's not the weight that's making them moan.....................?:D:p
 

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I don't know if an SP board is the best place to ask a question about non SP relationships based on something other than sex.

I don't know about anyone else, although I suspect it might be the same for others, but I did have many years of non sp life and relationship experience and many friends who weren't and still aren't sp's. I can guarantee a quick survey of my friends would give the same kind of responses found in this thread. The fact that we're comfortable with sex doesn't mean we're from another planet and the only friends we have are raging nymphos. lol

Ok so maybe none of my friends carry bibles around or saved themselves for marriage so I've got no idea what this type of women would think of doggie style but I don't think that represents the typical woman nowadays either..so that would not qualify as "most women" anyway. lol




BTW, i just did a search with the words "doggie style demeaning to women" and got over 31,000 hits.

FYI - That really doesn't mean much.

A quick search for:

"math exam for elephants" returned 596,000 results

"snow in caribbean" returned 17,500,000 results

"ferret getting a manicure" returned 328,000 results


So... I wouldn't assume the number of results to mean much in terms of accuracy of any given statement.

Just sayin' :)
 

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i don't know about the chimp thing, they can get pretty violent! ever watch the Seinfeld eposode where Krammer nearly gets the tar beat out of him by the chimp? I guarantee you if that chimp got a hold of Krammer, there'd be a lotta doggie going on in that zoo! LOL. Most positions are fine with me, i only need a minute anyways! Awww who am i kidding, 30 seconds will do me just fine :)
 

lenny

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I don't know about anyone else, although I suspect it might be the same for others, but I did have many years of non sp life and relationship experience and many friends who weren't and still aren't sp's. I can guarantee a quick survey of my friends would give the same kind of responses found in this thread. The fact that we're comfortable with sex doesn't mean we're from another planet and the only friends we have are raging nymphos. lol

Ok so maybe none of my friends carry bibles around or saved themselves for marriage so I've got no idea what this type of women would think of doggie style but I don't think that represents the typical woman nowadays either..so that would not qualify as "most women" anyway. lol

I have no argument with this. My feelings about that position for sex, especially in the distant past,
as it related to SP's, were probably from being oversensitive and thinking too much.






FYI - That really doesn't mean much.

A quick search for:

"math exam for elephants" returned 596,000 results

"snow in caribbean" returned 17,500,000 results

"ferret getting a manicure" returned 328,000 results


So... I wouldn't assume the number of results to mean much in terms of accuracy of any given statement.

Just sayin' :)
Again, no disagreement here. Given with the purpose not of proving anything, but as an alternate source of info, experiences and opinions to SP's here, from what i've seen of two of those links they are quite in harmony with what has been said in this thread. The sex position in discussion seems very popular.
 

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To further emphasize the body image issue. I've NEVER met a woman who likes her ass. One example when I was much younger, was a particular girl who IMO had THE PERFECT ass. Cute, small, tight and heart shaped. Its what first attracted me to her. Once we became intimate - she still was very uncomfortable letting me see it, and while she loved doggy (vaginal and anal!!) it always had to be pitch dark, or she really drunk or us just spooning to do it. We were together for a while and this was an issue for her always. Keep in mind this was THE most sexually adventurous woman Ive ever met, and one of my most outrageously excellent sexual relationships in my life.

We are all aware of the prevalence of eating disorders in young women, and the role that body image plays in those. However that is just the tip of the huge iceberg of a population of women who have body image issues, but dont necessarily develop a diagnosable eating disorder.
 

lenny

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To further emphasize the body image issue. I've NEVER met a woman who likes her ass. One example when I was much younger, was a particular girl who IMO had THE PERFECT ass. Cute, small, tight and heart shaped. Its what first attracted me to her. Once we became intimate - she still was very uncomfortable letting me see it, and while she loved doggy (vaginal and anal!!) it always had to be pitch dark, or she really drunk or us just spooning to do it. We were together for a while and this was an issue for her always. Keep in mind this was THE most sexually adventurous woman Ive ever met, and one of my most outrageously excellent sexual relationships in my life.

We are all aware of the prevalence of eating disorders in young women, and the role that body image plays in those. However that is just the tip of the huge iceberg of a population of women who have body image issues, but dont necessarily develop a diagnosable eating disorder.

LOL...that's hilarious...that what first atttracted u to her....was what she was so insecure about!

I can totally relate to that, and i'm attracted to some spinners whose derrieres i think are perfect,
but often they want the lights off when we make out. I speak re SP's of course, in case anyone
is wondering, whether in Rain City's LT or Siam. And i'd say the latter are even more shy.

http://z.tryteenz.com/pics_teencoreclub/tryteens/g1254553287/index.html
 

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i don't know about the chimp thing, they can get pretty violent! ever watch the Seinfeld eposode where Krammer nearly gets the tar beat out of him by the chimp? I guarantee you if that chimp got a hold of Krammer, there'd be a lotta doggie going on in that zoo! LOL. Most positions are fine with me, i only need a minute anyways! Awww who am i kidding, 30 seconds will do me just fine :)

They're not chimps, they're bonobos. ;)

If you'd read it, you would have learned that bonobos are very different from chimps and are not violent like them...

and....

well, I already posted it so you can go read it..k? :p
 

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Hi Ladies

Is it true that, generally speaking, girls don't like doing it doggie style? Obviously, there are going to be some who like, or even love, that particular position. But in terms of women in general, is it true that most of them don't like it?
You must be seeing the wrong girls.
 
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