Private Conversations Will be Recorded in Canada's Airports

[violetblake]

If you trade freedom for security then you deserve neither but what good is that without the right to bear arms like the us ?

 

[vancity_cowboy]

bwaaa hahahaaaaaaaaa... ound:

 

[DavidMR]

it never fails to amuse me how normally smart thinking people react to the conservative game. when the tories see their support numbers declining they ALWAYS do the same thing - trot out some patently ridiculous right wing idea, then retract it about 3 days later

the right wingers say, 'dang that was a good idea - too bad that dang trudeau/liberal constitution won't allow it!' thereby reinforcing the conservative support base

the left wingers cry out, 'oh no, here's that untrustworthy harper, up to his hidden agenda again,' as they guzzle down yet another bottle of white wine while they write meaningless drivel on internet blogs. and that's all they do because they are just too cool to do something as low class as actually organize themselves and vote

the radicals collect more pay from their keepers, put on their balaclavas and get out and wave banners and break windows - maybe torch a planned sacrificial car or two. thereby further cementing the conservative support base

That's actually one of the best descriptions of the political mechanics of current Canadian federal politics I've heard in a long time. You should be working as a $200,000 pundit, with your own TV show!

 

[Lancaster]

"No Russian...."

 

[vancity_cowboy]

That's actually one of the best descriptions of the political mechanics of current Canadian federal politics I've heard in a long time. You should be working as a $200,000 pundit, with your own TV show!

smile DMR, you're on candid camera, lol...

 

[Larry Storch]

Canada has the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in its Constitution, with many thanks to Trudeau and Chretien, no matter how you feel politically about them.
The courts are the protectors of the Constitution. If it is to be changed, the amending formula is pretty stiff to get to.
However, there are so many ways through regulation and through legislation that skirts the border of the Constitution that fascist police state lovers can use to manipulate and control.
We are a free people and must be viligant against the loss of freedom. Look at what is happening in the USA, no matter what president happens to be in power.

Section Thirty-three of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
If you read nothing else, read "Function".

 

[Torrential]

So basically if you're a terrorist and you talk about terror at the airport there's a chance they'll record you doing it. This will cost the Canadian tax millions in operational fees and all the terrorist has to do is not talk about terror inside the airport -- things they're already probably doing...........?

Did someone think this one over even from a practical sense?

 

[Sonny]

Section Thirty-three of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
If you read nothing else, read "Function".

Unlikely that the not-withstanding clause would be invoked as it is far too visible.

Quebec used it to protect its first language and culture.
Maybe BCers don't understand that because BC is way out here and Quebec is way over there.
Folks in Ontario, or who have lived in Ontario for a long time, as do the Maritimers, understand Quebec in this respect.

But, let's not get into a discussion about Quebec in this thread. If someone wants to do that, then another new thread would be appropriate.

The interesting thing about Section 33 is that a columnist has advocated its use to circumvent the Ontario Court's decision with respect to the prostitution laws and allowing brothels, etc.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29/use-notwithstanding-clause-to-curb-courts

 

[HankQuinlan]

Unlikely that the not-withstanding clause would be invoked as it is far too visible.

Quebec used it to protect its first language and culture.
Maybe BCers don't understand that because BC is way out here and Quebec is way over there.
Folks in Ontario, or who have lived in Ontario for a long time, as do the Maritimers, understand Quebec in this respect.

But, let's not get into a discussion about Quebec in this thread. If someone wants to do that, then another new thread would be appropriate.

The interesting thing about Section 33 is that a columnist has advocated its use to circumvent the Ontario Court's decision with respect to the prostitution laws and allowing brothels, etc.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29/use-notwithstanding-clause-to-curb-courts

Not a "columnist" -- a spokeswoman for "Real Women" (i.e., the Christian right-wing handmaidens)

 

[Tugela]

The point is, you don't want to give the government or the police that kind of power. Once you do that, they can do anything they want. If they can take something you say and use it against you (even if you're totally innocent), eventually that'll happen to at least one person. And that's one too many. I'm not by any stretch a conspiracy theorist or a paranoid person, but I enjoy personal privacy and freedom, as we all do. And it's nipping these things in the bud that stop us from ending up with the equivalent of Big Brother. If we become complacent, saying "Oh, nothing bad will come of this", that's how governments begin to control you. If you look at any dictatorship in the past that's how these things started. I'm not saying that's where we're headed, but if we start letting our rights be taken away bit by bit, then we open ourselves up to that possibility.

Dictatorships will do it whether you like it or not. That is their thing, they don't ask permission. A democracy won't care about your personal life, as long as you are not breaking the law. So it is really a non issue. The only reason to be worried about stuff like this is if you are planning to break the law and don't want to get caught.

 

[Larry Storch]

Unlikely that the not-withstanding clause would be invoked as it is far too visible.

Quebec used it to protect its first language and culture.
Maybe BCers don't understand that because BC is way out here and Quebec is way over there.
Folks in Ontario, or who have lived in Ontario for a long time, as do the Maritimers, understand Quebec in this respect.

But, let's not get into a discussion about Quebec in this thread. If someone wants to do that, then another new thread would be appropriate.

The interesting thing about Section 33 is that a columnist has advocated its use to circumvent the Ontario Court's decision with respect to the prostitution laws and allowing brothels, etc.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29/use-notwithstanding-clause-to-curb-courts

My original point was we only have these rights and freedoms for as long as they want us to have them. The bottom line is the government has the power to do what ever it wants. Whether it is "too visible" or not.

 

[HankQuinlan]

Dictatorships will do it whether you like it or not. That is their thing, they don't ask permission. A democracy won't care about your personal life, as long as you are not breaking the law. So it is really a non issue. The only reason to be worried about stuff like this is if you are planning to break the law and don't want to get caught.

You really need to think about how fragile democracy is. In a world where the real power lies with the rich and decisions that affect our lives are made in the shadows, it is important to stand up for individual rights. Your statement sounds like somethng mercyshooter would post. The more power the authorities have, the less "democratic" the society. There really is a slippery slope, and citizens living in a nominal democracy need to be vigilant to maintain it, or it can slip away before you notice.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Dictatorships will do it whether you like it or not. That is their thing, they don't ask permission. A democracy won't care about your personal life, as long as you are not breaking the law. So it is really a non issue. The only reason to be worried about stuff like this is if you are planning to break the law and don't want to get caught.

That is incredibly naive and unrealistic. It's also misinformed.

My original point was we only have these rights and freedoms for as long as they want us to have them. The bottom line is the government has the power to do what ever it wants. Whether it is "too visible" or not.

Well yes.....and no.

Unless you're talking about some military coup type of situation, the only way governments have any power at all is because we consent to it. In a democracy, if a population that refuses to consent to giving certain powers to its government then the government cannot simply take away rights to give itself power. (Not that I think we live in a true democracy - I think we just believe it when told we are, because it makes us feel good among other things - but that's a whole different discussion lol) But obviously we're not living in a completely totalitarian society,

That kind of self defeating, cynical attitude really doesn't really help anyone. Neither does Tugela's naive take. Even if there truly was nothing to do (which I don't believe is true) and we were truly powerless in stopping increasing government power and restriction of our rights and freedom and if it could all be done without our consent... even if refusal to consent was only symbolical, it would still be an important and meaningful act.

By dismissing the importance of explicitly withholding consent, you're providing it, even if by default only. It doesn't matter how it's given, it only matter that it's given. So regardless of what you think the government can or cannot do, your cynicism really helps no one else but them.




Just watched this...it's good:

 

[lenny]

As usual Miss Bijou makes a lot of sense. I could see a lot of guys hooking up with her
just for the conversation.

 

[Larry Storch]

Yes, unfortunately I am VERY cynical when it comes to politics and government in general. It's hard not to be when you see so much wasted time and money, unaccountability and outright greed connected to those whom we are supposedly entrusting to run the country and manage our resources and taxes. Very generous pensions after a minimum of five years of 'service'. Some senators don't even show up and they still get paid. So much political infighting and maneuvering at the expense of getting the job done just to remain in control. Take the last house of commons sessions where certain bills were jammed through at the last minute. This happens so often. Most of the people who post here are probably doing okay, but there are thousands of seniors living below the poverty line, as well as people who are disabled. How many times have we heard of government 'projects' or 'studies' costing millions yet there isn't enough to house and feed some of societies most vulnerable. If you really want to get the governments attention, just stop paying your taxes. If you're homeless you certainly won't hear from them offering help, but if you owe them money they have no problem contacting you. More often than not the government and those in power are not concerned with the average citizen. We are a source of income for them and not much else.
If I were running my business the same way they operate..........I'd be out of business.

*end rant*

 

[jnewton]

The point is, you don't want to give the government or the police that kind of power. Once you do that, they can do anything they want. If they can take something you say and use it against you (even if you're totally innocent), eventually that'll happen to at least one person. And that's one too many. I'm not by any stretch a conspiracy theorist or a paranoid person, but I enjoy personal privacy and freedom, as we all do. And it's nipping these things in the bud that stop us from ending up with the equivalent of Big Brother. If we become complacent, saying "Oh, nothing bad will come of this", that's how governments begin to control you. If you look at any dictatorship in the past that's how these things started. I'm not saying that's where we're headed, but if we start letting our rights be taken away bit by bit, then we open ourselves up to that possibility.

Dictatorships will do it whether you like it or not. That is their thing, they don't ask permission. A democracy won't care about your personal life, as long as you are not breaking the law. So it is really a non issue. The only reason to be worried about stuff like this is if you are planning to break the law and don't want to get caught.

That is incredibly naive and unrealistic. It's also misinformed.

It is actually much worse than that. It is intimidating and attempts to stifle dissent by implying that anyone who doesn't agree is breaking the law or contemplating it.

 

[bcneil]

It is actually much worse than that. It is intimidating and attempts to stifle dissent by implying that anyone who doesn't agree is breaking the law or contemplating it.

Mercyshooter agrees......any law your are against.....means you are doing it

 

[skiguru]

So I was driving through the border this weekend with a friend and he mentioned this subject, except he thought they also had these ultra sensitive recording devices to hear your conversations in your car. I said "well, I hope they don't find those diamonds you shoved up your ass this morning".

 

[PatrickGC]

Hello all:

This is one of those moments where being disabled [from birth] is actually a benefit. Very quickly in one's life you realize that everyone is political. Politics runs far deeper than the obvious issues, and we all make choices. However, in the last 10 years or so, there has been a fundamental change in the way relatively affluent North American society's react.

There is a misconception, that discussion alone equals action.

It is time to get a little "old school" again. Here are some realizations and points to act on.

• On the most basic level Get to know your civic and federal issues. There is no excuse for apathy. You don't have to be perfect or know-how to recite Robert's rules of order. But do get out there.
  
  
• Endless discussions in the online forum, FaceBook, Twitter etc. are meaningless unless people are prepared to take real world action. This does not mean acting irresponsibly and rioting . Rather, it means forming groups and grassroots organizations. Get to know the issues involved and people. In short, make it real.
  
  
• Understand that the status quo is not going to change immediately. Indeed, it may take many years. Attrition is the favorite tool of many agencies and governments. This is why it is so important to gather people together in a real-world context, if at all possible. Because the resistance faced can be dehumanizing, and you will work very hard-perhaps harder than you've ever worked in your life.
  
  
• Be prepared to speak publicly about the issues. Over and over! Mainstream media is a very fickle thing and will not always act in your best interest. The media will take a nice 20 minute discourse and whittle it down to two minutes, if you're lucky. Their guiding principle is if they can make the sound bite marketable. I have been a client of sex workers and am public about it, as well as issues on disability in general. There are times when I feel I am reciting a mantra. The same issues tend to come up over and over again especially when dealing with entrenched stereotypes. Many people will not agree with you and they will let you know it. Seek out alternate media and organizations.

This is all very easy to write about. But very hard to do in actuality. Yet, it is exactly what "the powers that be" are doing right now to manifest their agendas and in the long run it works.

In Vancouver Canada three groups which come to mind related to sex work, among other things:

FIRST! Decriminalize Sex Work Now!

• Facebook page
• Website

WAM! Women, Action and the Media!

• Vancouver Chapter Facebook page
• Vancouver Chapter website

EASE Canada! Equitable Access to Sexual Expression
"We support the safe exploration and expression of sexuality and other intimate connections for persons with disabilities."

Note: This Vancouver based grassroots group is in its very early stages. [ Talk about energized meetings! ] They are just planning the web site. Which should be up in a few months. There is however, a Facebook page for them:

• EASE Canada Facebook page

Take care,
PatrickGC

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread for this - but I decided to just add it here.

I just watched this and found it super interesting... Thought others would enjoy watching too.






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