Pooner Safety

[Warl0ck]

I was listening to Roundhouse Radio last night while I was working. On the "Best of NPR" they started talking about the sex trade in Seattle and escort review forums. I'll find the link and post it when I can. Anyway, they talked about private forums & the Feds infiltrating them going to far as to organize parties, etc. The result was arrests. It's a good reminder to choose your words cautiously when you're posting on the internet. You never know who is reading them NOR do you know who that other guy posting really is. Even if you are Canadian you could be affected. American police cannot arrest but they can report you to Border Services. Given the rabid attitudes of Border Services it's probably best to be cautious. Last thing you want is to be taking the kids to Disney Land and get flagged at the Border with your family. I've been detained at the border. It's a long process and the seats are really uncomfortable.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Re safety - We should be more worried about guys asking for, and women and men providing bare service. Including anal.

 

[Warl0ck]

I think that's a given though. Only a fool engages in bareback sex with a sex worker. But there are a lot of people who do not understand Internet security. A guy might be single, post on here and think little of it. The United States is hyper vigilante of late. It's more going to affect the American's using this forum, but it can affect Canadians if you travel to the United States. We live in an era where people who protest pipelines are put on watch lists. This program was a good reminder than posting anything questionable that pushes the limits is probably a bad idea.

 

[Equity Market investor]

In all of North Americian society, population wise, just how many actually know about Perb? My guess would be not many really. Again....I'm talking about general population. I understand you are referring to another Avenue.

 

[lenny]

Pooner safety from LE, STIs, violence & theft is a concern walking around looking for & engaging in action in the DTES. Though IME i've never had even a minor problem with the first two in 100's of sessions, despite recieving BBBJ's, BBDATO & worse. And rarely a problem with the latter two. I'll chalk that up to being extremely STI & street smart.

 

[johnA27]

Honestly, I feel that most of out identities aren't exactly safe, if LE wanted to know the true identity of any poster they could. Though I've also heard that admitting to doing anything, even in writing a review, isn't necessarily proof in court. Who knows... Cops know sex work exists, it's whether or not they care to enforce.

 

[burcs]

The point is that, they CAN do something about it, not necessarily WILL do something about it. Having said that, as mentioned, they're rather active as of late.

 

[PerbMod]

Honestly, I feel that most of out identities aren't exactly safe, if LE wanted to know the true identity of any poster they could. Though I've also heard that admitting to doing anything, even in writing a review, isn't necessarily proof in court. Who knows... Cops know sex work exists, it's whether or not they care to enforce.

Please do explain. First, unless you are crazy, you didn't sign up here with your real name. You used an alias/disposable email and not your work etc. Second, our servers are in Europe, the board admin/owners elsewhere, who would they even find to serve a court order to? Last, all they would be able to get is an IP address. Using a VPN or other tools would make even that useless. The likelihood of someone discovering you even are a member here is extremely remote, unless they have your laptop or phone and you have the board hotlinked/bookmarked. Even then, as you have said, posts here are proof of nothing. Seems like a lot of effort that the cops simply will not bother with. Your biggest threat would be at the border, US customs, and if you don't wipe the incriminating email/texts from your phone, that's where your trouble will come from, not PERB.

 

[johnA27]

Please do explain. First, unless you are crazy, you didn't sign up here with your real name. You used an alias/disposable email and not your work etc. Second, our servers are in Europe, the board admin/owners elsewhere, who would they even find to serve a court order to? Last, all they would be able to get is an IP address. Using a VPN or other tools would make even that useless. The likelihood of someone discovering you even are a member here is extremely remote, unless they have your laptop or phone and you have the board hotlinked/bookmarked. Even then, as you have said, posts here are proof of nothing. Seems like a lot of effort that the cops simply will not bother with. Your biggest threat would be at the border, US customs, and if you don't wipe the incriminating email/texts from your phone, that's where your trouble will come from, not PERB.

I see. I've never had anyone ask to look at my phone at the boarders. Is that even a thing?! Though that does remind me that I need to remove the texting app before crossing.

 

[thodisipagal]

I see. I've never had anyone ask to look at my phone at the boarders. Is that even a thing?! Though that does remind me that I need to remove the texting app before crossing.

Yes, it is a thing and it is happening. It's in the news:
http://globalnews.ca/news/3197270/us-canadian-phone-search/
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...lowed-to-search-phones-and-other-devices.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevl...l-social-media-be-any-different/#e9306d25fa3b
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...en-driving-across-the-border/article34100953/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/business/border-enforcement-airport-phones.html?_r=0
http://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-your-phone-at-the-airport-2017-2

I've heard the border security searching cell phones is nothing new. But I think it has happened more frequently after Trump's election. I read half of dozen news articles of it happening especially in Quebec/USA border and Ontario/USA border. I've also read news about them looking through your social media and emails (using your cell phones).

My (naive) assumption was that the border security would be interested on security issues and not so much on people's pooning habits. I still hope that's the case, but who knows what could happen in the increasingly draconian world we now live in.

I haven't yet crossed the border since the US presidential election.

 

[westwoody]

I haven't yet crossed the border since the US presidential election.

I do regularly, it is much worse. I may never visit the US again after the last crossing.

Regarding phones, yes they look, they may even copy everything in it. Clean it out before you go. Never mind about their priorities, they can bar you without cause. If the guy doesn't like pooning you do not get in. It's their country.

 

[badbadboy]

I used to work in the US on a work permit. After I decided to work purely in Canada, I found the US border agents were still wanting a look in my phone to ensure it was still the case after my permit expired.

Prior to departure, I would delete any txt that may incriminate me, any naughty pics sent to me, emails and pooner related Apps like Twitter etc. It took a fair bit of time cleansing my device but worth it. Last time they took the phone for about 30 min and I was sweating it "what did I miss?"

Eventually I was handed my phone and told to have a good trip. I think the mere act of taking your device can stress people out and that's what they are wanting to accomplish to get you to open up.

My mantra has always been to give them the bare minimum answer to satisfy their question without explaining myself. One agent asked me a question at YVR and didn't like my bare bones answer. He decided to play the silence game and waited for more info. After a few minutes of silence without a word from me, he told me to proceed. I wasn't sweating it because all answers were truthful and my device was clean.

 

[Warl0ck]

I think it's a bit of a stretch that what I post on PERB will ever get me in trouble with US border control. I suppose it's possible but it does remind me of a CSN song. "...paranoia, like looking in my mirror and seeing a police car."

Not a stretch at all. Your devices leave behind metadata of the sites you've visited. Ever heard the saying deleting it doesn't really delete it, while it's true and in some cases very true. A went to a seminar on phone security a few years ago held but a couple of former CIA guys. I was just BLOWN away at what I learned. Certain phones, namely Android, did not delete data even when they were wiped. We were able to reconstruct old phones within an hour & build a profile on a person, read their old text, email, etc. I later showed an Inspector in a police service after a drug dealer wiped his phone just before being arrested. The tools are free too. Here's your tool kit called Santoku Linux. https://santoku-linux.com/

Other points:

1. It is commonplace that when FBI arrest a hacker they take the loudest, most opinionated "leader" and make him continue what he was doing. Unwilling informants who may even be instructed to commit crimes with the possibility of immunity (as with Sabu from Lulzsec for example). Result is people gather around and communicate to that person. It makes data collection easy.

2. Using a VPN. A VPN does not guarantee anonymity. It guarantees privacy. The receiving website can't see your originating IP. But the VPN service can when you connect. As soon as some Fed comes calling you think they're going to say "get a warrant?". Not likely. Further, rumour is most of the VPN endpoints are monitored by security agencies. Even Tor doesn't guarantee anonymity. You still come out and exit node someplace. Who owns it? Who runs it.

3. Can your username be used to identify you? Yes it can. We're all sloppy to some degree and that includes me. Never underestimate what a person can find using a tiny piece of data. It takes a great amount of skill and discipline. And if you use your cell phone for internet, well game over. Even if you use Orbit (Tor) you're still triangulating to a cell tower. The metadata is all they need.

Do I think that US customs is going to arrest you on suspicion of solicitation because you post on Perb? Probably not. But in the case of a deeper investigation or a president hell bent on collecting data on everyone then it becomes more probable. Just consider what you write on this forum no different than what you'd say with a megaphone in public. And remember a whole bunch of people are listening.

 

[johnsmit]

In other words your saying most of us are fucked if we are ever a target of an investigation , or even if we just happen to come up on radar from some one else bringing looked at by the police.

I have been involved with this business for over 12 yrs ..Seeing escorts which quite easily could of been being investigated by the police . And being a driver for a numb4r of agencies I easily could of had my plate run a few times
I suspect even with out warrants they can monitor my texts

 

[Sonny]

Why do folks not have a second cheap phone apart from their regular phone, with nothing but the basics on it?
Have only usual regular numbers in it. The SIM is a pay as you go, for Canada & USA.
Use call forward to receive calls made to you on your personal phone left at home.

 

[thodisipagal]

Why do folks not have a second cheap phone apart from their regular phone, with nothing but the basics on it?
Have only usual regular numbers in it. The SIM is a pay as you go, for Canada & USA.
Use call forward to receive calls made to you on your personal phone left at home.

Because some folks are married and don't want to have to explain the need for a second phone. Any other question?

 

[lenny]

Because some folks are married and don't want to have to explain the need for a second phone. Any other question?

I'm single & have 2 phones. In case of emergency & one phone becomes unusable (due to various issues...battery, charge, time, theft, water damage, etc).

An internet search on the subject of why i need two phones, or more than one, might offer a number of legitimate reasons.

Or how about one phone with multi SIM cards. How difficult would it be to hide a SIM card? Where is Jason Bourne when you need him.

4049

 

[hankmoody]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/goodale-spying-investigation-phone-1.4055107

 

[sybian]

I worked personal security in the BC Government for some time ,as some of you here already know.
That shits been going on for awhile now.......I actually sat down and had a beer with the Asian guy that developed the software for that ,and more advanced technology for our LE and intelligence agencies.He told me that his company was in BC to "tweek the security surveillance system for our Government, so they can locate and track potential threats to politicians and foreign dignitaries ,using known cell signals and questionable monitored conversations"
If anybody believes that they stay within the grey area of the confines of privacy laws, they are kidding themselves......Shit, I know for a fact that my phone was watched, and I was the dude that was supposed to carry the gun, and place myself in the line of fire.
We were notified of potential threats within a 6 kilometres zone using cell phone identities of known and suspected individuals in our security area.....or the location of our travelling dignitaries.
You also have to remember when a foreign diplomat visits our country.....they bring their own team with their own arsenal of defences and intelligence. As the host country, with our own security that is normally tolerated, as long as no toes are stepped on in us doing our job as body guards.

 

[Warl0ck]

I worked personal security in the BC Government for some time ,as some of you here already know.
That shits been going on for awhile now.......I actually sat down and had a beer with the Asian guy that developed the software for that ,and more advanced technology for our LE and intelligence agencies.
If anybody believes that they stay within the grey area of the confines of privacy laws, they are kidding themselves.
We were notified of potential threats within a 6 kilometres zone using cell phone identities of known and suspected individuals in our security area.....or the location of our travelling dignitaries.
You also have to remember when a foreign diplomat visits our country.....they bring their own team with their own arsenal of defences and intelligence. As the host country, with our own security that is normally tolerated, as long as no toes are stepped on in us doing our job as body guards.

There is some consternation on who is doing this in Ottawa. It's definitely interesting. I am thankfully a million miles away from that shit though I pay close attention. If you have something of value someone is watching you. The best answer is to get off the internet completely.