Police Officer Goes on Shooting Rampage

[metoo113]

I don't have any problem with anger. You took a guestion about ages and turned it into a rant about a war. I guess assholes like you think there is no need for a army until the door gets kicked in.Guess what its too late then.You need to go to balls mangement and try and get some. And when you do give me a call, we will discuss your shower remark.

If governments stopped trying to manipulate other countries for their own advantage there would be less of a need for a military.

I didn't make any shower remark, that was INTHEBUM.

I went back to the US less then a year after I left and stayed for 2 months with no problems. The US didn't track people in those days.

My father who was a WW2 vet had no problem with me avoiding the draft. If I had the oportunity to fight in WW2 I would have, that was a different war.

If I signed up to fight in Iraq, as stupid as that would be, I would serve and if I went AWOL then I should be punished, because I would have made that choice, but I didn't sign up for Vietnam, I was drafted. I had no choice in the matter, where people with the right contacts or with wealthy parents were able to defer their service until the war was over or they were placed in areas of the military that never saw combat. (George Bush) Vietnam was a blue-collar war often referred to as a poor man's war. Most of the soldiers were of lower class and were sent to war because the wealthy hid their children in college so that they received a deferment, which meant they did not have to go to war. The wealthy had the luxury to stay out of the army, while the others were drafted and sent to Vietnam.

 

[mick_eight]

If governments stopped trying to manipulate other countries for their own advantage there would be less of a need for a military.

I didn't make any shower remark, that was INTHEBUM.

I went back to the US less then a year after I left and stayed for 2 months with no problems. The US didn't track people in those days.

My father who was a WW2 vet had no problem with me avoiding the draft. If I had the oportunity to fight in WW2 I would have, that was a different war.

If I signed up to fight in Iraq, as stupid as that would be, I would serve and if I went AWOL then I should be punished, because I would have made that choice, but I didn't sign up for Vietnam, I was drafted. I had no choice in the matter, where people with the right contacts or with wealthy parents were able to defer their service until the war was over or they were placed in areas of the military that never saw combat. (George Bush) Vietnam was a blue-collar war often referred to as a poor man's war. Most of the soldiers were of lower class and were sent to war because the wealthy hid their children in college so that they received a deferment, which meant they did not have to go to war. The wealthy had the luxury to stay out of the army, while the others were drafted and sent to Vietnam.

Like I said, why didn't you stay and stick up for your convictions, others did. I have some respect for them. Cassius Clay comes to mind.You ran away, which to me is a coward. Case closed.

 

[metoo113]

Like I said, why didn't you stay and stick up for your convictions, others did. I have some respect for them. Cassius Clay comes to mind.You ran away, which to me is a coward. Case closed.

We'll there was around 125,000 or us who choose to go to canada or other countries.

Ali refused to fight because of his religion not because he thought the war had no purpose. His celebrity status and public opinion at the time saved him from doing any real jail time though it cost his boxing career for a time.

As far as the insults that you love to fling around, I've been called worse by much better men then you.

 

[GoodKat]

Like I said, why didn't you stay and stick up for your convictions, others did. I have some respect for them. Cassius Clay comes to mind.You ran away, which to me is a coward. Case closed.

You mean the rich celebrity that did zero jail time? Yeah, that guy's a hero.

 

[mick_eight]

You mean the rich celebrity that did zero jail time? Yeah, that guy's a hero.

Lots did go to jail for their convictions.You're wrong about Clay, one of his statements was that he had nothing again the viet kong. Lots of great me went to jail for their convictions, Gandi, Mandela, Begin, so don't make out that you had no option then running

 

[mick_eight]

We'll there was around 125,000 or us who choose to go to canada or other countries.

Ali refused to fight because of his religion not because he thought the war had no purpose. His celebrity status and public opinion at the time saved him from doing any real jail time though it cost his boxing career for a time.

As far as the insults that you love to fling around, I've been called worse by much better men then you.

You started it by jumping in and calling soldiers stupid and said all they could get mc jobs. Everyone in the Army from top to bottom is a combat soldier first and all other things second. I've been called a credit to my country by better men then you'll ever know. In my case it was Roland Mitchner. You're claim to fame is running from a draft. Wow I'm so worried about what a .draft dodging coward thinks of me.

 

[GoodKat]

You're wrong about Clay, one of his statements was that he had nothing again the viet kong.

Wrong about what exactly? He wasn't a rich celebrity?

 

[mick_eight]

You mean the rich celebrity that did zero jail time? Yeah, that guy's a hero.

So you're one of the 125,000. Just what would you have done if Canada wasn't here. I guess you should thank Canada Forces for making it so you had a place to run, instead of calling them stupid. I can't understand such simple thinking. I guess it's all about me, me, me, for people like you two.

 

[GoodKat]

So you're one of the 125,000. Just what would you have done if Canada wasn't here. I guess you should thank Canada Forces for making it so you had a place to run, instead of calling them stupid. I can't understand such simple thinking. I guess it's all about me, me, me, for people like you two.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[mick_eight]

WTF are you talking about?

You sticking up for a draft dodging coward, Clay would have done the same thing, rich or not. And he was willing to go to jail for it.

 

[GoodKat]

Clay would have done the same thing, rich or not. And he was willing to go to jail for it.

How do you know this? Do you have magical powers the rest of us don't?

 

[mick_eight]

How do you know this? Do you have magical powers the rest of us don't?

Read, read. READ.

 

[GoodKat]

Read, read. READ.

So...you're talking out of your ass? Gotcha!

 

[mick_eight]

So...you're talking out of your ass? Gotcha!

Read his book, I'm not going to read it again for the benefit of you.

 

[metoo113]

During the entire Vietnam War, 209,517 young men were formally accused of violating draft laws. Government officials estimate that another 360,000 were never formally accused. Of the former group, 25,000 indictments were handed down; 8,750 were convicted; and just under 4,000 served jail time.

So even if I had stayed the odds were that I wouldn't have gone to jail. Who knew!

Roland Mitchner, a Governor General, politician and a Lawyer. Since were dropping names, I meet Bill Cosby once, does that count.

If you were a called a credit to your country does that mean I was a debit.

 

[GoodKat]

I'm not going to read it again for the benefit of you.

It was that bad?

 

[therealrex]

Army cop whatever the only common trait among people who go on a kill crazy rampage is mental instability. Military or police training just means you'll probably succeed in killing more of your victims.

 

[mick_eight]

During the entire Vietnam War, 209,517 young men were formally accused of violating draft laws. Government officials estimate that another 360,000 were never formally accused. Of the former group, 25,000 indictments were handed down; 8,750 were convicted; and just under 4,000 served jail time.

So even if I had stayed the odds were that I wouldn't have gone to jail. Who knew!

Roland Mitchner, a Governor General, politician and a Lawyer. Since were dropping names, I meet Bill Cosby once, does that count.

If you were a called a credit to your country does that mean I was a debit.

Mitchner was much more then TV laugh guy, and he was never charged with rape like BC.I have some respect for the 4,ooo that went to jail. For you I have none . Sorry but other than the 600,000 or so dodgers I imagine the other 349,000,000 americans most feel the way I do. The vets I met in Tupelo ms. last year sure felt that way. Why don't you do a poll on perb and see what the pooners think. And yes I'd agree you'd be a debit to which ever country you were in.Running from responsibilites is not a thing to brag about.

 

[Fudd]

So what is your point Fudd? You and you social "acitiviest's" don't trust the police to have guns now?

Actually that was a general statement, and was not the intention of that particular post, but you made a inteligent point about guns and the police.

Firstly, I must question why in a day and age when we have technological advancements such as tasers, stun guns, tranquilizer guns and pepper spray why are the police still opting to carry lethal weapons as a gun when there are so many nondeadly devices to chose from. On top of that there are probably highly secretive devices in government labs or corporate research facilities that the public does not even know about. Wouldn't it be great to have a phaser that you coud set on stun!

Secondly, our society is based on the premise that an individual is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his/her piers. When a police officer shoots and kills someone, his right to a fair trail has been taken away a violation of the whole concept of civil rights and of basic human decency.

Thirdly, what kind of civilized society allows people to have guns. I was hoping in the last election that the Liberals would be reelected so they can enact a total gun ban. And if you don't allow the general population to have guns the police should not and do not have the need for guns either.

I've attended many meetings of groups who monitor civil right violations commited by governments around the world and one of the common things is the acts of brutality commited by the police. We are very lucky we live in Canada where the police are relatively well behaved and have a respect for civil rights. In many of the more brutal countries police don't just carry little guns the carry machine guns that can cut down dozens of people in seconds and thats a scarry thought. When you arm the police with such lethal weapons you can have the potential for a police state. It is much safer to arm your law enforcement with non deadly weapons to avoid such situations.

From what I understand, most police forces put there recruites through testing to weed any problems such as mental instability but there is always a chance as in this case that one gets past the test and the vast majority of police constables are perfectly decent people. But there may be other inbalanced constables out there but if they were issued only non leathal weapons situations like this would be completely avoidable.

And lastly, thanks for keeping the thread on topic.

 

[uncleg]

Fudd, I hope one day all your dreams for a better world are realized, but like the buddist gent that you picture, hope that reincarnation is a reality, because what you are dreaming about won't come about in your lifetime or mine.

Cops will need guns as long as the crooks have them. No none lethal solutions to bullets coming at you.

As to your comment that, "in the more brutal countries cops...carry machine guns." Been to Europe lately? Spain, Germany, France, Greece, Italy even in the U.K. which used to be relatively gun free, cops carry machine guns and not just the ERT guys. Those are not brutal countries, they are just countries that are nervous as hell.