Our lying piece of shit PM claims Canadians will get the vaccine later than other countries because of a lack of domestic manufacturing capacity. BULLSHIT! It is because the Libs were late to the table in negotiating deals and it was first come first serve. On top of that the dumb fucks didn’t even negotiate a license for Canada to manufacture it.
People will die and Trudeau lies
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I suspect it's the truth.
My understanding is Canada had no vaccine production capabilities and we have relied on China for years to produce the majority of vaccines we use. India produces a large percentage of world vaccines too.
The outrage should be directed at why Canada has not had the ability to produce vaccines before a pandemic hit home.
Outsourcing vaccines seems like work Canadians could easily do here.
We can produce vaccines, but not the RNA vaccines which have just been developed. It's a brand new technology.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-moe-conservatives-vaccine-1.5816866
"The member opposite was asking what happened to domestic manufacturing in Canada; the Conservative government happened to domestic manufacturing," Trudeau said.
"In 2007 AstraZeneca and Bristol Myers closed their Canadian manufacturing operations. In 2010 Johnson & Johnson, Merck closed their facilities. In 2011 Teva closed one of its Canadian manufacturing operations. In 2012 AstraZeneca, GSK … announced closing and layoffs; that is what happened to manufacturing in Canada," Trudeau said.
Hopefully almost the entire population. This anti vaccination crap is crazy.
Good on you for buying the Liberal Government bullshit spin about manufacturing capacity.. All of the countries in front of Canada for the vaccine don’t have domestic manufacturing capacity to meet the needs of their population. Read something instead of Liberal government spin.
Anti vaccers should be culled from the population just for being so fucking stupid.
Read something other than Trudeau’s spin. No country in front of Canada has domestic manufacturing capacity to meet the needs of its population. Not the US or the UK or Germany And the list of countries in front of us is very long. The worlds meds, and this vaccine, will be manufactured in China and India. The simple fact is the Libs were late to the table in cutting deals and people will die, and our economy will suffer, because of incompetence
Thanks. The best thing about natural selection is the dumb ones get culled from the herd.
Simple fact of the global economy, Canada higher wages mean a more expensive product. That is why alot of stuff is not produced in Canada anymore. American companies have been having a majority of their products produced in Asia. Even the mighty iphone is produced in China.
All the goods in retail stores, is made cheaper by people over in Asia.
When people shop, they shop online, which takes away from the retail store. Mostly its cheaper online.
So when people are asking for you to buy Canadian, and you choose Walmart, Amazon etc, money leaves the country.
Another problem in Canada is mark-up. Import and sale locale. Steep mark up pricing. So as Canadians when you look at American prices, you begin to see the difference.
Ever have that pop up that comes up when shopping at Home Depot. com, it asks if you are in Canada....
Ever gone out to find a particular brand, but in Canada only 1 company has the rights to sell it. Some American stores don't sell directly to Canada.
Ontario used to have the autopac, where they manufactured cars/trucks; slowly been shutting down over the last 30 years and jobs have gone to Mexico.
Canada has the raw resources and we sell it to the world cheaply (look at Aluminum). We have education system (we loose most to McDonalds and the US).
So in world affairs we are lucky to be in the G8, as our manufacturing is slowly being outsourced to cheaper labour countries.
So if Canada is not first on the list to get shots for immunization, we have nobody but ourselves to blame for electing governments that did not look after Canadian interest 10 to 40 years ago, when the world economy was changing. You cannot just blame 1 PM, you have to blame them all.
After all I like verdant nationalism, it creates people like the old british army system, for honour, follow all bad orders and run and rush the enemy with full backpacks and get slaughtered.... (you know WW1) by the new weapon -- machine guns.....
Taking a hint from the US.
Alll ships under US flag have to be built there. If you are from a another country, you may only come into only 1 port (you can't go to 2 different American ports). Only American ships can go from one port to another. Trade protection and supports their industrys.
Why do you thing they import Oil, they used to export gas and oil before WW2. Now they import it from Canada. The northern supply.
They are taking the long term view.
In Canada, we want to bring in investment to start business, those business insist on having deal to cut the bottom line. These companies make great profit, but benifit the communities very little and government tax revenues. So slowly our resources are being sucked out of Canada, really cheap... The people who work for the government that make these deals, make them on the condition that the company will hire them after they finish their service to Canada( now they can't work for a company for up to 1 year from quitting the government job- otherwise its considered conflict of interest) Really its these people that are selling Canada out for their own benifits. Which is why the government about 18 years ago, started on an ethics briefs on doing business... yeah that really works.....
So the government (and social norm) tells us to be good, ethical and nice to every one. In reality people are not like that, they will stab in you in the back, fuck you over, renig on a promise and all sorts of unethical things because of the almighty dollar. Unless you have a contract, they don't pay.... So hidden behind that sweet smile, is a person that is gonna fuck you over when they can. Under the phrase "If you are not fucking someone over, you are getting fucked"....
Also if you think the Canadian Government is made up of MP in Parliment, you are sadly wrong. The ministers have departments, made up of civil servants; these civil servants are the ones who run the government and bring things to the attention of the PM and Privy council. Its kind of a government with an goverment (like saying they know where the bodies are buried). These senior civil servants are virtually untouchable.... and they play dirty politics.... Anyone that has worked for the government has been drowned in email, letters, procedures that are only there to slow down and confuse every one.... instead of getting the job done.... The reality is that is someone senior in one department, can tell a friend in another department (who sends a shit mail down the chain) until it reaches its desired level/affect. That is power..... And these persons are not elected...
The reality our federal government hasn't changed much, just a few changes of rules and procedures, but really if you elected a Liberal or Conservative government they are doing the same things....
All the goods in retail stores, is made cheaper by people over in Asia.
When people shop, they shop online, which takes away from the retail store. Mostly its cheaper online.
So when people are asking for you to buy Canadian, and you choose Walmart, Amazon etc, money leaves the country.
Another problem in Canada is mark-up. Import and sale locale. Steep mark up pricing. So as Canadians when you look at American prices, you begin to see the difference.
Ever have that pop up that comes up when shopping at Home Depot. com, it asks if you are in Canada....
Ever gone out to find a particular brand, but in Canada only 1 company has the rights to sell it. Some American stores don't sell directly to Canada.
Ontario used to have the autopac, where they manufactured cars/trucks; slowly been shutting down over the last 30 years and jobs have gone to Mexico.
Canada has the raw resources and we sell it to the world cheaply (look at Aluminum). We have education system (we loose most to McDonalds and the US).
So in world affairs we are lucky to be in the G8, as our manufacturing is slowly being outsourced to cheaper labour countries.
So if Canada is not first on the list to get shots for immunization, we have nobody but ourselves to blame for electing governments that did not look after Canadian interest 10 to 40 years ago, when the world economy was changing. You cannot just blame 1 PM, you have to blame them all.
After all I like verdant nationalism, it creates people like the old british army system, for honour, follow all bad orders and run and rush the enemy with full backpacks and get slaughtered.... (you know WW1) by the new weapon -- machine guns.....
Taking a hint from the US.
Alll ships under US flag have to be built there. If you are from a another country, you may only come into only 1 port (you can't go to 2 different American ports). Only American ships can go from one port to another. Trade protection and supports their industrys.
Why do you thing they import Oil, they used to export gas and oil before WW2. Now they import it from Canada. The northern supply.
They are taking the long term view.
In Canada, we want to bring in investment to start business, those business insist on having deal to cut the bottom line. These companies make great profit, but benifit the communities very little and government tax revenues. So slowly our resources are being sucked out of Canada, really cheap... The people who work for the government that make these deals, make them on the condition that the company will hire them after they finish their service to Canada( now they can't work for a company for up to 1 year from quitting the government job- otherwise its considered conflict of interest) Really its these people that are selling Canada out for their own benifits. Which is why the government about 18 years ago, started on an ethics briefs on doing business... yeah that really works.....
So the government (and social norm) tells us to be good, ethical and nice to every one. In reality people are not like that, they will stab in you in the back, fuck you over, renig on a promise and all sorts of unethical things because of the almighty dollar. Unless you have a contract, they don't pay.... So hidden behind that sweet smile, is a person that is gonna fuck you over when they can. Under the phrase "If you are not fucking someone over, you are getting fucked"....
Also if you think the Canadian Government is made up of MP in Parliment, you are sadly wrong. The ministers have departments, made up of civil servants; these civil servants are the ones who run the government and bring things to the attention of the PM and Privy council. Its kind of a government with an goverment (like saying they know where the bodies are buried). These senior civil servants are virtually untouchable.... and they play dirty politics.... Anyone that has worked for the government has been drowned in email, letters, procedures that are only there to slow down and confuse every one.... instead of getting the job done.... The reality is that is someone senior in one department, can tell a friend in another department (who sends a shit mail down the chain) until it reaches its desired level/affect. That is power..... And these persons are not elected...
The reality our federal government hasn't changed much, just a few changes of rules and procedures, but really if you elected a Liberal or Conservative government they are doing the same things....
Not so fast with a wildly inaccurate statement. Not everyone against the covid-19 vaccine such as myself is anti-vac. I have taken the yellow fever vaccine, and the usual hepA/B vaccines along with MMR. The difference is these are viruses that have been around for centuries if not longer, with vaccines created in the days before bigpharma.
China exposes the world to the virus - and you want your vaccine to come from the same place that set this whole fucking thing off in motion to begin with? Astra Zeneca’s Oxford vaccine isn’t even made up of dead coronavirus cells, but other flu viruses and not sure how, but has shown a higher risk of catching HIV. These vaccines haven’t been tested for years. Do you personally know their long term health effects? I remember back in the 1950’s, German doctors recommended Thalidomide to combat morning sickness in pregnant women. Women blindly took it not knowing it would cause birth defects or even immediate death upon birth like what happened with my aunt. That baby lived for 6 hours. Deformed.
So no, I don’t feel we need to be forced to take a flu shot for a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate. I’ve never taken a flu shot, I have an immune system. Just don’t talk down to everyone who doesn’t trust THIS vaccine like we’re somehow unable to comprehend what’s really going on.
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Being hesitant and concerned about the Covid-19 vaccine being rushed so quickly does not make a person an antivaxxer.
Proper safety trials have been completely bypassed with this vaccine. Stage 3 trials are supposed to last several years, with good reason. It's reckless to mass vaccinate the population without knowing what the long term side effects are. Scientists are just in the early stages of understanding the Covid-19 virus. And so far it seems like it's a respiratory virus that leaves many survivors with autoimmune dysfunction. And now a vaccine is getting pushed forward that will further tweak the immune system without knowing the long term effects. This is extremely risky. Btw.. I've been following the literature published by scientists throughout this pandemic. Opinions seem to be very conflicted and critical. I keep an eye on the news just to watch the important numbers.. the hospitalizations and ICU numbers.
Proper safety trials have been completely bypassed with this vaccine. Stage 3 trials are supposed to last several years, with good reason. It's reckless to mass vaccinate the population without knowing what the long term side effects are. Scientists are just in the early stages of understanding the Covid-19 virus. And so far it seems like it's a respiratory virus that leaves many survivors with autoimmune dysfunction. And now a vaccine is getting pushed forward that will further tweak the immune system without knowing the long term effects. This is extremely risky. Btw.. I've been following the literature published by scientists throughout this pandemic. Opinions seem to be very conflicted and critical. I keep an eye on the news just to watch the important numbers.. the hospitalizations and ICU numbers.
Everyone just wants this to end, and that's understandable .But caution should be taken to make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease.
This is a messy situation with no guaranteed safe and easy fix. I do not want to offer myself up to be a lab rat. Once time goes on and it's actually been proven safe and there is an abundance of peer reviewed literature out there, from other scientists who have no financial interests in the vaccine development, then perhaps I'll consent to take it.
This is a messy situation with no guaranteed safe and easy fix. I do not want to offer myself up to be a lab rat. Once time goes on and it's actually been proven safe and there is an abundance of peer reviewed literature out there, from other scientists who have no financial interests in the vaccine development, then perhaps I'll consent to take it.
Dr Fauci, who I think is a corrupt greedy little snake, once expressed criticism about one of the major ingredients that is now being used in the Covid-19.
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/res...-could-increase-risk-of-hiv-infection.295484/
https://perb.cc/xenforo/threads/res...-could-increase-risk-of-hiv-infection.295484/
Diefenbaker killed the Canadian Aerospace Industry
Harper killed the Pharma Industry in Canada
I blame Trudeau for being an entitled brat embroiled in multiple scandals, as Liberals don’t do a goid job of cleaning house or managing the budget. But I don’t blame the Trudeau for the lack of Pharma infrasctrure in Canada. Trudeau has his flaws, and the alternative is probably worse. I am thankful not to have Scheer or anyone like him running the country right now.
