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At this point the vaccines are vaporware.

The only thing released by 3 pharmas is confusing notes to their investors.

The FDA review process doesn't even START until mid-December.

The Trump administration back in May was boasting they'd have 100 million doses by November 2020.

How did that work out?

Sadly, conservatives tend to fall for all of the gaslighting and bullshit they read on their facebook feeds hook, line and sinker.

Very soon, our government will be talking with the Biden team, rather than the batshit crazy First Golfer.

As for killing people and controlling the virus, the Trudeau Liberals have a far less lethal record than the orange asshole south of the border.


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Everyone just wants this to end, and that's understandable .But caution should be taken to make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease.

This is a messy situation with no guaranteed safe and easy fix. I do not want to offer myself up to be a lab rat. Once time goes on and it's actually been proven safe and there is an abundance of peer reviewed literature out there, from other scientists who have no financial interests in the vaccine development, then perhaps I'll consent to take it.
I have been the lab rat before, taking medication for a disease when other people were unwilling to try it. It worked and now many others (but not all) are taking the drug for the issue.

Will I take the new vaccine when offered. Yes. I guess, once a rat always a rat!! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Anti vaccers should be culled from the population just for being so fucking stupid.
Right, just like vaccines have helped so much with autism, where now 1 in 20 boys and 1 in 35 children overall end up autistic thanks to these crap-filled vaccines. Then there is the flu shot which does not work, makes influenza much longer and more intense when you get it, and turns people into super spreaders. You are obviously one of those uninformed people who think just because it's in a syringe it's somehow a miracle cure. Well I can tell you these Big Pharma concoctions are full of garbage like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue and much more. I'll take my chances on a strong immune system fortified by 4,000 international units of Vitamin D (with a capsule of K2), Vitamin C, zinc, and Omega 3, a good diet, exercise and proper rest. Have a nice day.
 
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Right, just like vaccines have helped so much with autism, where now 1 in 20 boys and 1 in 35 children overall end up autistic thanks to these crap-filled vaccines. Then there is the flu shot which does not work, makes influenza much longer and more intense when you get it, and turns people into super spreaders. You are obviously one of those uninformed people who think just because it's in a syringe it's somehow a miracle cure. Well I can tell you these Big Pharma concoctions are full of garbage like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue and much more. I'll take my chances on a strong immune system fortified by 4,000 international units of Vitamin D (with a capsule of K2), Vitamin C, zinc, and Omega 3, a good diet, exercise and proper rest. Have a nice day.
Vitamin C has no actual proven benefits for your immune system. That myth was actually a marketing gimmick, look it up. It will stop you from getting scurvy though. That's about it.

The belief in that myth with no actual evidence to back it up isn't exactly making your case.

Vitamins in general are pretty much bullshit. The best thing people can do for themselves, is some research and critical thinking. To be honest I find it really frustrating that it's so easy for misinformation to spread and people to be misinformed. People believe what they want to believe, which is sad.

Drop the vitamins, and take the damn vaccine. (not medial advice)

 
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Right, just like vaccines have helped so much with autism, where now 1 in 20 boys and 1 in 35 children overall end up autistic thanks to these crap-filled vaccines. Then there is the flu shot which does not work, makes influenza much longer and more intense when you get it, and turns people into super spreaders. You are obviously one of those uninformed people who think just because it's in a syringe it's somehow a miracle cure. Well I can tell you these Big Pharma concoctions are full of garbage like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue and much more. I'll take my chances on a strong immune system fortified by 4,000 international units of Vitamin D (with a capsule of K2), Vitamin C, zinc, and Omega 3, a good diet, exercise and proper rest. Have a nice day.
I am surprised that people still believe in the autism - vaccine connection. That myth has repeatedly been debunked.
 

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Read something other than Trudeau’s spin. No country in front of Canada has domestic manufacturing capacity to meet the needs of its population. Not the US or the UK or Germany And the list of countries in front of us is very long. The worlds meds, and this vaccine, will be manufactured in China and India. The simple fact is the Libs were late to the table in cutting deals and people will die, and our economy will suffer, because of incompetence
Australia, New Zealand and many others are all grappling with this issue. Our business leaders decided many years ago to move capacity away to where they could make bigger profits. Capitalism without constraint and always without heart.
 

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About vitamins, some interesting data has come out about Covid-19 and Vitamin D, in particular. I'm going to tread carefully here because I know the rules about giving health advice in the forum

If one uses the Google Scholar search function, you can find open access to papers published by people who are actually qualified to share data and their opinions on the subject..
 
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About vitamins, some interesting data has come out about Covid-19 and Vitamin D, in particular. I'm going to tread carefully here because I know the rules about giving health advice in the forum

If one uses the Google Scholar search function, you can find open access to papers published by people who are actually qualified to share data and their opinions on the subject..
www.c19study.com also lists a whole bunch of peer reviewed articles on treatments for covid including vitamin d
 
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Right, just like vaccines have helped so much with autism, where now 1 in 20 boys and 1 in 35 children overall end up autistic thanks to these crap-filled vaccines. Then there is the flu shot which does not work, makes influenza much longer and more intense when you get it, and turns people into super spreaders. You are obviously one of those uninformed people who think just because it's in a syringe it's somehow a miracle cure. Well I can tell you these Big Pharma concoctions are full of garbage like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue and much more. I'll take my chances on a strong immune system fortified by 4,000 international units of Vitamin D (with a capsule of K2), Vitamin C, zinc, and Omega 3, a good diet, exercise and proper rest. Have a nice day.
I guess you believe vitamins and a good night's sleep eliminated polio and smallpox.

Try travelling to places with virulent diseases, and/or questionable sanitation and see how far you get if you don't have proof of immunization.
 

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How many people are going to want these vaccines anyway? I'd rather inject searing hot Crisco into my arm than take one of these shots that Kill-Bill Gates is pushing.
Why are people so freaked out about being micro chipped...I don't get it ... This has been happening a very long time here in BC and around the world .chicken pox , measles and mumps .Hep . ect .have a look at the top of your arm ..I can still see the batch of needle scars from vaccinations in grade school ..WTF you step on a nail you go in and have a tetanus shot..problem solve ..Protect yourself protect others ..

http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-galler...nual/Chapter 2 - Imms/HistoryImmunization.pdf
 

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If you think the vaccine is safe and effective, then don’t waste the energy stressing about how others feel or if they’re willingly getting vaccinated or not. If it’s really effective, herd immunity is mute.

If you think the Covid-19 vaccine is a great thing and you think it’s really safe and effective, and you feel comfortable consenting to it then you personally have nothing to worry about.

let others have to freedom to decide what invasive medical procedures they consent to.
 

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People get vaccinated to protect themselves? No? If I have sufficient levels of antibodies against a certain pathogen then I am protected, no?
How is whatever is going on in other peoples bodies affect me? If I am truly immune, then I am immune regardless of if this immunity came naturally or from a shot.
 

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Take your shot if you want to take your shot

if you don’t want to, you don’t want to. Vaccines are an invasive medical procedure. Forced vaccination is a human rights issue

like I said, if a vaccine is truly safe and effective those who have taken it, or are planning to take it. should be safe. It’s common sense. But if it doesn’t work, don’t blame those who didn’t take it. Take your complaints to the manufacturers.
 
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^^ but something worth a mention... if the vaccine doesn’t work.. OR if you get injured by it, you should know vaccine manufacturers have had immunity from legal repercussions in Canada for many years now
I would agree that it is your right not to have the vaccine. I will still do it as I have calculated it is in my interest. As for legal liability, I realize the pharmas are protected, this still doesn't dissuade me. If a pharma releases a disastrous vaccine, they will probably end up finished anyway. They know this.
 

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Being hesitant and concerned about the Covid-19 vaccine being rushed so quickly does not make a person an antivaxxer.

Proper safety trials have been completely bypassed with this vaccine. Stage 3 trials are supposed to last several years, with good reason. It's reckless to mass vaccinate the population without knowing what the long term side effects are. Scientists are just in the early stages of understanding the Covid-19 virus. And so far it seems like it's a respiratory virus that leaves many survivors with autoimmune dysfunction. And now a vaccine is getting pushed forward that will further tweak the immune system without knowing the long term effects. This is extremely risky. Btw.. I've been following the literature published by scientists throughout this pandemic. Opinions seem to be very conflicted and critical. I keep an eye on the news just to watch the important numbers.. the hospitalizations and ICU numbers.
Right, just like vaccines have helped so much with autism, where now 1 in 20 boys and 1 in 35 children overall end up autistic thanks to these crap-filled vaccines. Then there is the flu shot which does not work, makes influenza much longer and more intense when you get it, and turns people into super spreaders. You are obviously one of those uninformed people who think just because it's in a syringe it's somehow a miracle cure. Well I can tell you these Big Pharma concoctions are full of garbage like formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue and much more. I'll take my chances on a strong immune system fortified by 4,000 international units of Vitamin D (with a capsule of K2), Vitamin C, zinc, and Omega 3, a good diet, exercise and proper rest. Have a nice day.
hahaha. There is no arguing with this ignorant shit!
 

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So basically the whole premise of this thread is right wing bullshit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-vaccine-moderna-covid-19-hadju-health-1.5821166

Canada’s at the back of the COVID-19 vaccine line. But it’s not because they aren’t made here



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Give Justin Trudeau credit for one thing: The man knows how to deflect. As news broke in recent weeks of the first vaccines against the coronavirus to pass phase 3 clinical trials, from Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, and as it emerged the vaccines would begin distribution in some countries as early as next month, the Prime Minister could see the question coming: When will they be available in Canada?

The answer, we now know, is later: much later. Possibly months later. But as that might reflect poorly on the Prime Minister and the government he leads, he changed the subject.

“One of the things to remember is Canada no longer has any domestic production capacity for vaccines,” Mr. Trudeau admonished members of the media at his Tuesday news conference. “We used to have it decades ago, but we no longer have it. Countries like the United States, Germany and the U.K. do have domestic pharmaceutical facilities, which is why they’re obviously going to prioritize helping their citizens first.”

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In an instant, the story changed: from Government Bungles Vaccine Procurement to that old standby, Why Can’t Canada Make Cool Things? The Conservatives gamely took the bait, demanding to know why the government hadn’t done more to increase domestic vaccine production capacity. Which simply opened the door to a discussion of why capacity was lacking in the first place, and what responsibility the previous government might bear for that.

More to the point, it reinforced the Prime Minister’s premise: that the only way Canada could have had timely access to these vaccines is if we had made them ourselves (and its corollary: that since we can’t make them ourselves, the government is not to blame if they’re late). But this is nonsense.

It isn’t enough, first, just to have “domestic production capacity for vaccines” in some vague, undifferentiated way. In fact, Canada has plenty of capacity – just not for these particular kinds of vaccines. That’s not surprising, since the technology for these – especially the “mRNA” approach taken by Pfizer and Moderna, which uses bits of the virus’s genetic code to stimulate the body’s defences into action, rather than the virus itself – did not exist until about five minutes ago.

The premise, then, is not just that governments should have maintained the capacity to make tens of millions of vaccines in Canada, for decades at a time, on the off-chance that a once-a-century pandemic would come along. It is that this spare capacity should have been put in place all those years ago in anticipation of technologies that hadn’t been invented yet. Otherwise all you are buying is the “capacity,” effectively, to start from scratch, retooling existing facilities to entirely different purposes.

Perhaps it is to be imagined that, had we spent all that money on a domestic vaccine capacity, the technologies would have been invented here, and not in the United States, Germany, or the U.K. But that’s quite a bet.

And it’s an unnecessarily expensive one. The alternative to domestic manufacturing, in vaccines or anything else, is not simply going without: it is to buy from other countries. Negotiating local production agreements with the big drug companies, as many countries have done, is one way to ensure an adequate supply of vaccines, but it’s not the only one. The other way is to pay them to deliver them.

Which is, in fact, what we have done. The government has contracts to purchase up to 20 million doses each of the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines, with tens of millions more possibly to come from four other companies if and when their vaccines are approved. The vaccines are coming. The only question is why they are coming later to Canada than elsewhere. It isn’t only the United States, Germany and the U.K. we’re behind, after all. We’re behind just about everybody: Belgium, Spain, Italy, France, Russia, India, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, Japan, even Indonesia and Mexico.

One reason that we seem to be later to take delivery: we were later to place our orders. Canada didn’t make its first purchase for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines until Aug. 5; AstraZeneca’s, in late September; in either case, weeks after other countries. Why? Writing in Maclean’s in August, University of Ottawa epidemiologist and law professor Amir Attaran offered one explanation: “Because the Trudeau government dithered. When our closest allies put their money down and placed orders for over a billion vaccine doses, our government failed to keep up.”

Perhaps that is why the government eventually purchased so many doses, among the largest, per capita, in the world – to make up in volume what it lost in timeliness. According to the Toronto Star, the way was open for it to pay a premium “to be near the front of the line,” and in some cases, the government took it. Could it have tried harder, acted sooner, bid higher? Or was the government, as Prof. Attaran suggests, blinded by “incompetent nationalism,” consumed with supporting long-shot local initiatives that failed to pan out, only to find it was too late to get first crack at the good stuff?

At any rate, hold on – it can only get worse. Even assuming Health Canada parts with the habits of a lifetime and approves the first vaccine more or less simultaneously with its U.S. and European counterparts, and even assuming the vaccines can be shipped to Canada in advance of approval, and stored (in super-cold conditions) until then, that still leaves the ultimate logistical nightmare: getting them into the arms of millions of Canadians, safely and speedily.

The track records of governments in this country, federal and provincial, do not fill one with optimism on this score. Even now, they are wrangling over how the vaccines should be allocated among provinces: whether it should be based on the number of people in each, or the number of cases, or the number of the elderly, or some other basis.

Quite what the people who, in eight months of trying, still can’t test more than about 50,000 people a day for the disease, will make of the challenge of vaccinating the entire population, one shudders to think. But if they’re even halfway done this time next year, it will be a pleasant surprise.
 
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