Pelosi, Lieberman, Schwartzenegger, Biden

[georgebushmoron]

Pelosi - she's as nutty as GWB. So the two of them ought to balance each other out as they are nutty in the exact opposite direction. Maybe she'll cozy up to him and do some aromatherapy and do a colon cleansing. Maybe he'll invite her to a cookout and mistake her for a turkey and shoot her.

Lieberman - that Zionist weasel extraordinaire got elected as an Indep. At least he had the honesty to stop cloaking himself as a liberal and get out of the DEMS. Or did they finally figure out what kind of bullshitter he truly was and kick him out? Anyway, too bad that Jewish-American brown noser got in. He'll spend infinite amount of American tax dollars to defend Israel so Israel doesn't have to. And why is it that he only wears a Kippa when he thinks it will score him points? Scum bag. I always wondered why only his nose had such a dark tan.

Schwartzenegger - I like this guy because he actually has a brain. Perhaps that god-awful Kennedy skeleton balances him out. He actually sounded surprised he got re-elected; it speaks to his deep humility. I'd be happy to see the rules changed so he could run for Prez.

Biden - a Democrat to respect. The only one with a thoughtful Iraq vision - to Balkanize it into 3 different states. It just might work.

 

[OTBn]

Pelosi - she's as nutty as GWB. So the two of them ought to balance each other out as they are nutty in the exact opposite direction. Maybe she'll cozy up to him and do some aromatherapy and do a colon cleansing. Maybe he'll invite her to a cookout and mistake her for a turkey and shoot her.

Yup - fer sure - beware of San Francisco liberals.

As Republicans (now) clamor for something to hang their rejection on… they look ahead to the next 2 years with glee… a kind of self-comforting feel that Pelosi and Conyers will so galvanize Americans back towards the GOP in 2008. They seem to be egging them on towards impeachment and “accountability” hearings. Will Pelosi take the bait? I think not.

Lieberman - that Zionist weasel extraordinaire got elected as an Indep. At least he had the honesty to stop cloaking himself as a liberal and get out of the DEMS. Or did they finally figure out what kind of bullshitter he truly was and kick him out? Anyway, too bad that Jewish-American brown noser got in. He'll spend infinite amount of American tax dollars to defend Israel so Israel doesn't have to. And why is it that he only wears a Kippa when he thinks it will score him points? Scum bag. I always wondered why only his nose had such a dark tan.

ya, ya – he’ll still caucus with the DEMS … elected with a pile of Republican support - did they even have a Republican nominee in Connecticut? and yes, he was “kicked out” … and yes, he truly is “Sore Loserman”. Seriously doubt he’ll have the same (previous) influence.

Schwartzenegger - I like this guy because he actually has a brain. Perhaps that god-awful Kennedy skeleton balances him out. He actually sounded surprised he got re-elected; it speaks to his deep humility. I'd be happy to see the rules changed so he could run for Prez.

LOL - oh ya, he’s a humble guy. Some of the doubting types just might suggest the $20 million he spent on the election, uhhh… got him elected. So – the dark blue state has turned a more pale blue colour – girlie-man pastel, perhaps. Ya think those Kennedy’s have an Arnie agenda?

Biden - a Democrat to respect. The only one with a thoughtful Iraq vision - to Balkanize it into 3 different states. It just might work.

Thought you said the DEMS had/have no vision… sorry, but I actually am not taking the bait – let some one else be your monkey boy on this one.

C’mon, ya think that there federalism talk fits well on Perb – ya know, think those western separatin types will agree with such a radical concept?

Ya think Turkey might have objections to a more (than today) autonomous Kurdistan? Saudi Arabia is ok with an autonomous Shiite stepping stone to Iran? And Syria? While keeping Baghdad as a centralized multi-cultural center? Oil revenues split amongst the 3 regions based on population? So there it is - is this what’s become of the strategic neo-con plan to guarantee American access/control to Iraqi oil. Oh my!

Say, here’s a thought – what do the Iraqis want?

 

[georgebushmoron]

Thought you said the DEMS had/have no vision… sorry, but I actually am not taking the bait – let some one else be your monkey boy on this one.

Just because Biden has vision, doesn't mean the DEMS do. After all, they did not adopt his Iraq plan.

Ya think Turkey might have objections to a more (than today) autonomous Kurdistan?

Turkey might not like it, but which Turkey are you talking about? The Turkish population, of which 98% hates the USA already? If so, then does it matter if the US creates Kurdistan? Or are you talking about the Turkish government, which is pro-US? In that case, they can be brow-beaten or otherwise they face putting Turkey over to pro-Islam sphere. I think they'd choose the US because of the EU.

Saudi Arabia is ok with an autonomous Shiite stepping stone to Iran?

They might not be fine with it, but the US is the largest purchaser of Saudi oil. They'll do what the US wants, especially if oil-rich Kurdistan is under US protection.

And Syria?

Syria is a second rate country with no sphere of influence on any other. It's only sphere is a pesky militia sent in to disrupt Israel.

Oil revenues split amongst the 3 regions based on population?

I guess you forgot that almost all the oil is in the Kurdish north. Kurdistan is the only portion the US has to worry about with respect to oil. There won't be any splitting oil if Kurdistan is garrisoned by US forces.

Say, here’s a thought – what do the Iraqis want?

They didn't know what they wanted, they waited for the US to provide leadership. When they found that it was absent, they found themselves in a civil war. What they want now, more than democracy and all that bullshit, is stability so they can go on their everyday lives and not have the whole world break down all around them. They'd gladly take a dictator at this point, if not just to ensure that they can go out on the streets and buy bread and toilet paper.

Oh, you forgot to mention Iran. I guess you weren't thinking. Iran would hate an independant Kurdistan, which would destabilize their country because Kurds are the largest minority in Iran. An independant Kurdistan would be a US dagger into Iran's internal affairs, and would be a forward military base for American troops on the Iranian border. Think about that one.

 

[OTBn]

Just because Biden has vision, doesn't mean the DEMS do. After all, they did not adopt his Iraq plan.

Thought Biden was a DEM – let me check again

Turkey might not like it, but which Turkey are you talking about? The Turkish population, of which 98% hates the USA already? If so, then does it matter if the US creates Kurdistan? Or are you talking about the Turkish government, which is pro-US? In that case, they can be brow-beaten or otherwise they face putting Turkey over to pro-Islam sphere. I think they'd choose the US because of the EU.

I don’t see Turkey accepting a situation that itself acts to spur on an internal Turkish separatist movement, one they’ve kept under control since 1984 in regards the minority, but influential, Turkish population of Kurdish descent. By European standards Turkey is a “poor country” – Turkey has much more to gain than the EU has to lose. I expect the Cyprus differences will be resolved and ultimately Turkey will enter the EU. All other aspects of the EU progress report will not (should not) influence the outcome – in any case, the talks are ongoing.

They might not be fine with it, but the US is the largest purchaser of Saudi oil. They'll do what the US wants, especially if oil-rich Kurdistan is under US protection.

Oil rich Kurdistan??? See below… and the Saudis will not accept the close proximity Iranian influence.

Syria is a second rate country with no sphere of influence on any other. It's only sphere is a pesky militia sent in to disrupt Israel.

The overall influence Syria holds is debatable; however, potentially adding a considerable Sunni base, would surely amplify that “pesky militia’s” impact. Is the potential to further destabilize an already volatile part of the world inconsequential?

I guess you forgot that almost all the oil is in the Kurdish north. Kurdistan is the only portion the US has to worry about with respect to oil. There won't be any splitting oil if Kurdistan is garrisoned by US forces.

I believe you are mistaken – I believe I didn’t forget… the Kurdistan region, with its current borders, has about 3% of total Iraqi reserves. Even if you extend the existing borders to include Kirkuk that brings it up to about 10%. Basra, in the south of Iraq, currently accounts for about 60% of the known oil reserves. http://www.iraqrevenuewatch.org/reports/052706.pdf

They didn't know what they wanted, they waited for the US to provide leadership. When they found that it was absent, they found themselves in a civil war. What they want now, more than democracy and all that bullshit, is stability so they can go on their everyday lives and not have the whole world break down all around them. They'd gladly take a dictator at this point, if not just to ensure that they can go out on the streets and buy bread and toilet paper.

Oh, you forgot to mention Iran. I guess you weren't thinking. Iran would hate an independant Kurdistan, which would destabilize their country because Kurds are the largest minority in Iran. An independant Kurdistan would be a US dagger into Iran's internal affairs, and would be a forward military base for American troops on the Iranian border. Think about that one.

The Iraqis waited for the U.S. to provide leadership? While acting as an occupation force… amongst the throng of the so-called insurgency? Oh I get it… here, we’re bombing the hell out of your country and your people – trust us – we are your liberators… accept our form of democracy – accept our Western values. We know what is best for you. Trust us – we’re really not after your oil – trust us.

Independent Kurdistan? I thought you’re hyping the partitioning into distinct regions, not distinct countries. Why does the U.S. need an “independent Kurdistan”… if they’ve got Turkey in their grasp/hold/influence? Are not the 2 U.S. Air Force bases in Turkey forward enough… or the 2 U.S. Air Force bases in Kuwait… or the 2 U.S. Army bases in Kuwait… or the…..

 

[SFMIKE]

Gbm

Right on about Biden. But, remember back 12 or 16 years ago when he was a presidental candidate, he was exposed as having plagaized when in college. This will forever haunt him in any major campaign. People in a small state like Delaware will let him slip by on that one, but in the national press, forget about it. The righties will have a field day with him, just as they did back then. Too bad, but that is the way it is.

RE: Pelosi. What do you expect her to be considering where she is from? Grew up in Baltimore, now is in SF. You can not get much further left than that.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Right on about Biden. But, remember back 12 or 16 years ago when he was a presidental candidate, he was exposed as having plagaized when in college. This will forever haunt him in any major campaign. People in a small state like Delaware will let him slip by on that one, but in the national press, forget about it. The righties will have a field day with him, just as they did back then. Too bad, but that is the way it is.

Thanks for the note SFM. I was not very cognizant of politics 12 years ago (I was focussed almost completely on pussy at that time). It's disappointing to hear it, as such a small thing as plagerism as a collegiate will haunt you to no end in Republican hands. I guess Biden will never gain the kind of prominence I hope he could get... perhaps he'll always be in the shadows. Too damn bad. I was hoping for someone to step up with vision and experience and some charisma, and I believe he has all of that. I guess all that's left is Obama, who is as wishy washy as the rest of the Dems. Too bad. I doubt anything really good is going to come out of the Dems in the next 2 years then.

RE: Pelosi. What do you expect her to be considering where she is from? Grew up in Baltimore, now is in SF. You can not get much further left than that.

Baltimore? Figures... all the cues were there. Especially now that she's in SF. Imagine that, schmeeling and shmalling from Baltimore and winding up in SF. You gotta be totally whacked out if that's where your political career takes you. She's the Laverne (of "Laverne and Shirley") of the Dems.

 

[shapeshifter]

Thanks for the note SFM. I was not very cognizant of politics 12 years ago (I was focussed almost completely on pussy at that time). It's disappointing to hear it, as such a small thing as plagerism as a collegiate will haunt you to no end in Republican hands. I guess Biden will never gain the kind of prominence I hope he could get... perhaps he'll always be in the shadows. Too damn bad. I was hoping for someone to step up with vision and experience and some charisma, and I believe he has all of that. I guess all that's left is Obama, who is as wishy washy as the rest of the Dems. Too bad. I doubt anything really good is going to come out of the Dems in the next 2 years then. .

Thats a shame, Biden would be a good choice.

Compared to all the bullshit done by others, plagarism as a collegiate seems pretty tame but like you say the republicans will have a field day

 

[SFMIKE]

Thanks for the note SFM. I was not very cognizant of politics 12 years ago (I was focussed almost completely on pussy at that time). It's disappointing to hear it, as such a small thing as plagerism as a collegiate will haunt you to no end in Republican hands. I guess Biden will never gain the kind of prominence I hope he could get... perhaps he'll always be in the shadows. Too damn bad. I was hoping for someone to step up with vision and experience and some charisma, and I believe he has all of that. I guess all that's left is Obama, who is as wishy washy as the rest of the Dems. Too bad. I doubt anything really good is going to come out of the Dems in the next 2 years then.

Another thing that would work against Biden is that he is from Delaware, too small of a state to draw in very many votes. How small is Delaware? If you take the Delaware Turnpike you can cross the whole state in less than 15 minutes. But, the good news is that the toll must be about $3 by now. I haven't been back there lately, but that is probably a pretty close guess.



Baltimore? Figures... all the cues were there. Especially now that she's in SF. Imagine that, schmeeling and shmalling from Baltimore and winding up in SF. You gotta be totally whacked out if that's where your political career takes you. She's the Laverne (of "Laverne and Shirley") of the Dems.

I seem to recall that her dad was the mayor of Baltimore but that might not be accurate. I do know he was in politics.

If you realize that she is just two heartbeats from the top job, imagine if she ends up there. They will have to expand the White house just for all her grandkids. Cool, eh?

 

[JustAGuy]

Too bad. I doubt anything really good is going to come out of the Dems in the next 2 years then.

If a Supreme Court judge dies or resigns in the next two years and the Democrats, by holding power in Congress, prevent George Bush from appointing someone as ideologically reactionary as Roberts or Alito to the court, then something really good will have come out of the Dems.

 

[JustAGuy]

Schwartzenegger - I like this guy because he actually has a brain. Perhaps that god-awful Kennedy skeleton balances him out. He actually sounded surprised he got re-elected; it speaks to his deep humility. I'd be happy to see the rules changed so he could run for Prez.

Yeah, pretty much anytime the word "humility" crosses my mind, it's accompanied by a mental image of Arnold Schwarzenegger.