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islander1-1

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I come here on a daily basis because this is an escort Review board. If I wanted a review on a Vancouver restaurant or a review of opinions on the Canucks, popular music or sick jokes.. I would find a suitable board for this.

We all can live in a dream world and the mind can wander. Lets stay focused on the task at hand.
 

Bad Santa

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I dunno, I've always been for free speech. Nowadays, just about any joke you make is bound to offend someone. In my opinion, the only speech that should be banned is telling outright lies to defame someone, or outting someone on the board.

I just HATE censorship. Don't censor an asshole you don't agree with. Refute him or her with intelligence and facts. To me that is much more effective.

Oh, and btw, I for one am an advocate of pooner's paying yearly membership fees on review boards so that we have an equal say in how a board is run to the advertisers's paying their advertising fees. In the end, it's always money that talks in this biz and any other.
 
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LalaniElectrica

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...f-new-westminster-escorts-delta-man-1.2486260

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/killer-stalking-edmonton-prostitutes/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142754/Nigerian-official-s-son-gets-life-prison-murder.html

https://www.bcbusiness.ca/spotlight-on-sex-work

This is not a joke, this is not funny. Then there are other twisted things that occur when you start making murder a joke:

http://www.thepost.on.ca/2014/10/08...e-in-germany-after-jun-lin-murder-court-hears

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...rts-wanted-in-slaying-of-mississauga-man.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572132/Pig-farmer-guilty-of-prostitute-murders.html

As per Bad Santa's comments about evaluating these "jokes" and the refuting with the reality of them. Listed above are the reality... Last 5 years in Vancouver Island there have been many young ladies missing, held and beaten against their will for days, etc etc, and only God knows what's happened to some of them.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/l...being-beaten-held-captive-for-days-1.15248987

What has the board come to these days? We cannot joke or turn a blind eye about these tragedies to our colleagues, sisters & mothers. Its inappropriate. Thx Bad Santa for the great advice!

Thank God for free speech!!!
 

Bad Santa

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...f-new-westminster-escorts-delta-man-1.2486260

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/killer-stalking-edmonton-prostitutes/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142754/Nigerian-official-s-son-gets-life-prison-murder.html

https://www.bcbusiness.ca/spotlight-on-sex-work

This is not a joke, this is not funny. Then there are other twisted things that occur when you start making murder a joke:

http://www.thepost.on.ca/2014/10/08...e-in-germany-after-jun-lin-murder-court-hears

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...rts-wanted-in-slaying-of-mississauga-man.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572132/Pig-farmer-guilty-of-prostitute-murders.html

As per Bad Santa's comments about evaluating these "jokes" and the refuting with the reality of them. Listed above are the reality... Last 5 years in Vancouver Island there have been many young ladies missing, held and beaten against their will for days, etc etc, and only God knows what's happened to some of them.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/l...being-beaten-held-captive-for-days-1.15248987

What has the board come to these days? We cannot joke or turn a blind eye about these tragedies to our colleagues, sisters & mothers. Its inappropriate. Thx Bad Santa for the great advice!

Thank God for free speech!!!
Here, here! Well done and well said Lalani!
 

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Free speech is not about the right to be an asshole. Free speech is the right to express a variety of viewpoints.
Along with that, you have to accept that others may argue against you.
Jefferson, Rousseau et al understand the strength of a free society is the ability to debate issues openly and choose a better way based on evidence.

If you really want to say something you have to accept that it will be criticised.

Truer words were ne'er spoke! A reminder, too, that while our Charter protects your right to free speech & your right to be an asshole equally, it does not protect speech that promotes, advocates or incites hatred of or violence towards any other group or individuals.
 

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Some of the responses show how poor some people may act in social settings, it really is just common sense:

You wouldn't make 9/11 jokes with the family of the deceased.
You wouldn't make slave jokes with someone of African descent.
You wouldn't make alcohol jokes with a native.

So why would you make a dead hooker joke on a forum for SPs?

To anyone who's trying to justify this with free speech and censorship, it isn't about censoring what you have to say (however dumb it may be), it's about having basic empathy for others.
 

felixthecat

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Much like we talked about purging specific posts, rather than the whole thread,perhaps we need to consider Perb becoming more like a zoo. If certain people can't play well with others, they are constrained to only certain segments ( if people don't want to see monkeys flicking poo at each other, they should avoid that corner of the zoo). But, at least you get their contributions for those that see value in them ( and maybe those banished get to rejoin the group when they learn to stop flicking poo ....LOL).
No zoo please. The core functions of this board: reviews; advertisements. Unlike you Lance, many will be happy to see just those two without extra drama.

Zoo animals tend to have little self-control. They move to Reviews section and turn it into a jungle zone, scaring away new contributing members.

Our fine advertisers will hardly feel comfortable living in a zoo, either.
 

westwoody

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Keyboards insulate people from other people, some lose all empathy because of that.
Maybe that is why some rant and insult people they disagree with.
Again look at the Leap thread, and how one poster cannot cope with any disagreement. He does the same in many other threads, anyone who disagrees with him gets called childish names.
Would he act like that in his workplace or a social situation with real people?
 

westwoody

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if people don't want to see monkeys flicking poo at each other
That is what the ignore button is for.
Dickson was not entertaining, he was clearly a disturbed and unhealthy person.
I do miss Hatrick and his exit is a lesson learnt.
 

Bad Santa

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Some of the responses show how poor some people may act in social settings, it really is just common sense:

You wouldn't make 9/11 jokes with the family of the deceased.
You wouldn't make slave jokes with someone of African descent.
You wouldn't make alcohol jokes with a native.

So why would you make a dead hooker joke on a forum for SPs?

To anyone who's trying to justify this with free speech and censorship, it isn't about censoring what you have to say (however dumb it may be), it's about having basic empathy for others.
I agree with you that people should have common sense and empathy but do you really want to censor everyone who isn't empathetic or has common sense?? You might lose 90 percent of board content, lol.
 

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I agree with you that people should have common sense and empathy but do you really want to censor everyone who isn't empathetic or has common sense?? You might lose 90 percent of board content, lol.
There's being apathetic and there's being a heartless douche. Big difference between the two that I'm sure you would have recognized had you tried just a tad harder before posting.
 

Bad Santa

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There's being apathetic and there's being a heartless douche. Big difference between the two that I'm sure you would have recognized had you tried just a tad harder before posting.
Since you don't even know the difference between "apathetic" and "empathetic" it's obviously difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you.
 

GQ1

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Since you don't even know the difference between "apathetic" and "empathetic" it's obviously difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Apathy is the opposite of empathy. Look it up "Bad Santa", and then think about who's the one being "intelligent" or not.
 

Mr Quim

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The beautiful Fraser Valley !
I don't by any Means, want to Trivialize , this Thread !

But, I think We could use some Levity ?

And maybe, the "Queen of Soul", is the Woman to bring the one Key Word we seem to be missing Here ?


Cheers
 

badbadboy

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Speaking of where to draw lines, this sort of exchange I enjoy . . . . (Snip)

Sure we've curbed some drama but we've also lost a number of prolific and entertaining posters along the way ( ie, Badger, Dickson, Hartrick ...some arguably for their own reasons ) as well as some great contributors ( ie, Cherise ) over seemingly trivial infractions. No doubt Badger could be a polarizing figure, but he also contributed dozens and dozens of ( sometimes self-aggrandizing ) reviews but there are at least 5-10 SP's I've seen as a direct result of his reviews.

Maybe some of the Type A egos can't peacefully co-exist on a single board, so why not consider giving some people their own channels or play pens to keep them separated. I'm most interested in the reviews, and the entertaining arguments and am more than happy to self filter the annoying bits.
I suppose I'm at a point in life here on this board where I can somewhat offer a historical perspective based upon my start date, post count (please do not take offence, merely stating a fact) and gulp, my age. I joined up in 2006 and did not contribute a single post until 2010. Perb was, in historical terms The Wild Wild West. A buddy of mine in Washington State told me about it over a beer one night. He was a Marine with a lot of pooning experience from the different tours of duty he had done over the years. No sooner had I joined up, he got banned. I saw his name posted in perbatory (I hope for the day it's returned to the public view!!) and I emailed him asking why he got the boot? His version was he showed support for another pooner's version of their visit to an SP. Draconian? Yes in my view but that's how Perb rolled in those days. Trolls, multiple ID's, fake reviews posted by SP's and their own crew of White Knights etc etc.

It was a very competitive place with other forums in Western Canada competing for the same mind-share as Perb enjoyed. With the mass bannings, I elected to keep my head down and be a leach taking in all the reviews for my own personal benefit.

Then I decided to stop seeing AMP's and went to see my first hot Caucasian advertiser here on Perb. In 2010, $250 per hour was the high end and after getting the boot after the first shot and being back on the street at 35 minutes; I felt quite justified posting a negative review. No sooner had I posted it, the review vanished. I thought wtf? Where did my review go? So I copy/pasted and posted it again. Then I got a pm from another pooner letting me know Perb had an unpublished DNR list. Ironically, positive reviews were acceptable for advertisers, however negative reviews could and were pulled by the advertisers.

This is when I learned the board's double standard (not today the policy changed about 4 years ago) and pooners were kept in check. That changed when a new crew of pooners joined and were given a lot of posting freedom. The posters you 'miss' were all part of that crowd. I would view Perb in the early AM over cups of coffee wondering when the ban hammer would take these guys out? It didn't happen and they had longevity being able to post their reviews of their own sexual prowess to a growing number of fanboys. In my mind, the forum had totally lost it's brains and it's soul.

When they became dominant in the Lounge, in the reviews and when they didn't like one of my posts; they took it to themselves to police the forum; all without the approval of the admin and moderators. Frequently a newbie would be dog piled and run off by this self serving pseudo elite crew. My ignore list grew quite long during this period and I used to LOL when viewing a thread here. Quite often the OP would post and there would be five or more posts I didn't view since they were on my ignore list.

I wasn't the only member here that was unhappy with the way things were going and from what I learned many people reported posts, reported in your face type PM's and frankly they were fed up with the egos and attitudes. The mods acted by banning for a week, two weeks, a month and these people just didn't get it. The anology of giving someone a long length of rope to hang themselves held true.

These people felt they were bigger than the forum and their departure in my mind made this forum a much better place. Note, they did move on to other places and also got banned from there too. Thing was all the baggage they hauled around with them was duly noted at their new digs.

Note: this post does not apply to Cherise. I never took offence from her posting style and found her to be charming and entertaining. Why she is not here is a puzzle to me.

Edit to add: Same with Hatrick! Damn his posts and threads were legendary! I do believe he self banned himself. His legend continues on a searchable blog IIRC.
 
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rlock

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In the past couple of days, we have had threads featuring drug deal requests ... .
Well, some of these are just adult language, and I think most of us can tolerate it - but up to a point. It is not an absolute. I dislike censorship, and I have a sicker sense of humour / higher tolerance for gore than probably 95% of the population.
But I also know there's certain things that are just antithetical to what the site is about.

The plain fact is, this is PERB, not 4Chan - it's here to help screen out the potentially shitty experiences. That goes both ways, for SP's and clients. If this place is a cess-pit, the SPs will avoid it, and the clients will too. And then the site dies and then say goodbye to all the self-protection the site offers.

Other subjects (see above) could actually result in the whole thing being shut down by LE. If they tolerate this place at all, it's only because they tolerate the thing it's about. But that can evaporate in a flash if there's something more vexatiously unlegal than just the usual subject matter. Could also be enough of an excuse for someone with an moral axe to grind to paint the site as being something it is not, in the media.

Think of the site as private property. Their house, their rules. And the Mods first responsibility is to safeguard the site.
 
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This is an escort review board, frequented by adults, who indulge in activities that are adult in nature. We allow and encourage all kinds of dialogue, about the industry or not. I disagree with that...

In the past couple of days, we have had threads featuring drug deal requests, dead hooker jokes and several others of questionable taste. Who's taste ? Some violate rules are and easy to deal with. Others are a matter of personal preference. I'd like some community input, where's the line of what's ok and what's not? Given our goal of being more friendly, more inclusive, I removed the sick joke thread as some guys went way over the line as I understand it. Others may have thought that it was fine or all in good fun.

What's ok or not ok from your perspective? Please everyone, be respectful of others view points, you don't need to agree on everything, but you don't have to be a troll when disagreeing either. thanks in advance.

Interesting read, not sure if some of the comments are/were meant to be funny or ironic. Some certainly seemed to be self-serving..be that as it may. With the number of members that are on this board and wide ranging number of trolls waiting to discover this board, and assholes generally etc. etc. it's going to be tough to draw a line. There are members on this board that I could sit down with and have a discussion that a lot of people would be offended by, grossed out by...would consider seriously inappropriate. Common sense and sometimes just a desire to not have to explain or justify what I/we did means it's not discussed publicly. Some people complain about the police and some of the jokes they tell....inappropriate, not respectful....not realizing it's this black humour that helps them keep their sanity. Some of the best hooker jokes I've been told were told by a hooker....her own version of black humour and a way of dealing with the life/profession she choose.

As a group the membership of this board is not going to be able choose a line that can't/shouldn't be crossed...maybe though as individuals we can display a bit more common sense.
 

lenny

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We allow and encourage all kinds of dialogue, about the industry or not.

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Given our goal of being more friendly, more inclusive, I removed the sick joke thread as some guys went way over the line as I understand it. Others may have thought that it was fine or all in good fun.

What's ok or not ok from your perspective? Please everyone, be respectful of others view points, you don't need to agree on everything, but you don't have to be a troll when disagreeing either. thanks in advance.
In regards to "encouraging all kinds of dialogue" & being "more inclusive".

Unlike PERB, on TERB the subjects of STIs, medical issues & even BBFS are regularly discussed. A significant number of threads exist in that regard. And they are discussed with opposing opinions in a civil or friendly way. Thus TERB is significantly more "inclusive" in subject matters that are discussed. Subjects that are closely related to the industry, of interest to many, & usually amongst the most highly viewed threads, as evidenced by history on all three sister sites.

On PERB, however these topics are generally quickly nuked into oblivion on the rare occasion anyone dares to raise them, at least beyond a mere mention. On both PERB & TERB, BBFS discussion is said to be disallowed in the official rules, but in practice there is a big difference. On neither PERB or TERB is the discussion of medical issues & STI's disallowed in the official list of rules, but on PERB a mod's post once forbade it & that has been enforced.

So, if there is a new owners policy to be more "inclusive", the freedom of discussion of such topics, whether in the Lounge, or in a "Go In At Your Own Peril" sub forum located south of the BDSM realms, for example, would go a long ways towards achieving that goal. The key would be that the actual discussions were "more friendly" than they have been, at times, on PERB, in the past. TERB & MERB have achieved that, so why is it impossible for PERB?
 

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This is an escort review board, frequented by adults, who indulge in activities that are adult in nature. We allow and encourage all kinds of dialogue, about the industry or not.

In the past couple of days, we have had threads featuring drug deal requests, dead hooker jokes and several others of questionable taste. Some violate rules are and easy to deal with. Others are a matter of personal preference. I'd like some community input, where's the line of what's ok and what's not? Given our goal of being more friendly, more inclusive, I removed the sick joke thread as some guys went way over the line as I understand it. Others may have thought that it was fine or all in good fun.

What's ok or not ok from your perspective? Please everyone, be respectful of others view points, you don't need to agree on everything, but you don't have to be a troll when disagreeing either. thanks in advance.
Interesting questions and discussion.
Even more interesting it's being asked by a mod.
I haven't seen the threads mentioned but am usually fine with most things i've seen here except the personal attacks.
I lurked for quite awhile before i joined as it seemed it could be a hostile environment at times. Especially for newbies.
I have seen improvements here and it is a friendlier place. Hopefully it doesn't turn into another "happy" board where honesty is frowned upon..
Ultimately i'm here for the reviews and advertising.
 

lenny

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You've seen enough of those threads. They go wrong in so many ways.
Fights between people with different risk tolerance. Medical advice by people without proven credentials. Anecdotal evidence or claims with no evidence. Providing ammo to anti-sex fear mongers and prohibitionists.
It's hard to get people agree on topics with so little science and reliable statistics behind them.
Most of your comments (e.g. "fights", things "go wrong", "claims w/o evidence", "hard to get people to agree") could apply to almost any thread subject. And often do.

As for "Medical advice by people without proven credentials", this occurs all over the internet. There are also excellent sites highly regarded by the medical community that inform people accurately & lead them out of ignorance. Obviously this type of info can be, and has been, shared in the threads to which you refer.

Your approach is a glass half empty viewpoint.

Apparently the majority of contributers to this thread favour less censorship & more freedom of speech, not less.
 
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