Only losers pay for sex?
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Well how about that. Here I was just doing my own thing and had no idea I belonged to a group!
Not exactly.... more like the antithesis of feminism, where a woman in her beliefs would say "I don't need to take shit from a man", MGTOW is basically saying the same thing "I don't need to take shit from a woman".
They want traditional relationships too, just the line is drawn more firm on their needs, and refuse to 'simp' in order to compromise.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but,
MGTOW , have sworn off relationships w any and all women romantic or otherwise completely.
They are down for sex but zero emotional vulnerability,
Because even though they have a bunch of fancy words and explanations for it , the short and blunt version is , they believe all women are just users .
Using men for their own self interests,
and that men to women are nothing but something to be used for , security , social status , money etc etc , and will dump any man shes with in a New York heartbeat if a better man comes along .
makes you wonder what these guys think about their own mothers .
You would appreciate the back paddling they would be doing to explain that their mother is the exception or betray the only person that gave them unconditional love since birth ...
Its the same thing what extreme feminist groups think about their fathers.
I'm sure if anyone goes down the rabbit hole, they'll come up with a ridiculous extrapolation of the belief.
Even the word "Incel", at first just meant "Involuntary Celibate", meaning a person too ugly to have any kind of relationship with... but someone down the line mutated the term to believe that if said person isn't a "super-model prince charming", they're some serial killer in the making.... and so on.
MGTOW, to me, is just what feminism tries to do, empower said gender against the opposite. That you don't have to be a SIMP in order to 'play the game'. You never have to compromise yourself and be lesser just to garner the affections of woman who may not even be worthy of any kind of compromise in the first place.
...but 'they' don't like that, because they like to hold all the cards in the relationship game, while men just go their own way to find a better game.
But to be fair, any belief or organization that goes above and beyond that simple premises of true equality is selling something.... If women think MGTOW is about oppressing women, they're idiots. But also, if men believe MGTOW is about overpowering women, they're idiots too. Again, it's just an antithesis to Feminism, except it doesn't/shouldn't sell any perks.
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A mother’s love is very different. Men confuse a mother's love for female nature, when in fact the two are greatly distinct, despite both being possessed by the female gender.
I really loved the way you explained, cant agree more.
Keep in mind that I was not talking about the love of a mom for her kids but the fact that White Ninja 74 was talking about Mgtow people qualifying women as manipulative for theirs self interest or something in that sense. And how can those guys reconciliate that with their own mother . That would be the hard question they would have to answer followed by the enjoyment of witnessing the mental gymnastic that would ensue
If their mothers saw their way of dealing with women, they would probably be disowned. Unless mom is an absolute hellish Karen, then you'd see where the spoiled child-bro side of them comes from.
MGTOWs and Incels and PUA's are all branches of the same cult. It's the way they turn relationships with women into something adversarial. They all still want to rut (of course - they ain't planning to become monks), but there's this Norman Bates / Taliban mentality rattling around in their minds, like women are also these dirty, sinful, scary animals that have to be broken, lest they ensnare a man's pure soul and steal or impurify his precious bodily fluids. Men are only "safe" among men - manly men doing sweaty manly shit like lifting weights, and talking about crypto, bitches, or what brand of Axe to spray on your junk.
And of course, every guy who treats a girl like a human at all, much less one he enjoys the company of, well those guys are all "simps".
Mental gymnastics indeed. Head games, and lots of them - calculate who is "winning" every interaction, all the time. It's exhausting. Hearing these guys talk, it's like the cry of a peacock that never shuts up.
I actually like the women I want to have a relationship with, and want her to want me too, for more than just the shallow stuff because there's got to be trust. I may never get that ideal situation, but at least I'm not going into a relationship with the objective of just getting to bust a nut while low-key resenting her the whole time. I can't imagine that ever turning out well. That doesn't even sound like a fun one night stand.
Maybe I'm too much of an old school man I guess - those who we care about are in one category, and enemies who can fuck off and die very clearly in another. This "I want her, but I hate her, so I use her before she uses me" shit is for the birds.
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Playing devil's advocate here, what if it was a bad relationship with their mother that brought those types of feelings into the picture about women? Lots of overgrown little boys can't get over their Mommy issues and make it the problem of every other woman.
Yes it explains it but still doesn't justify the mentality. A lot of counseling required to fix their problems. We can only hope they stay away from any meaningful relationship as they are bond to manipulate women because of their fear of being manipulated.
Sad way to live
Couldn’t agree more however there are also a lot of moms on the planet who don’t exactly posses the greatest mom qualities and their children pay the price
Agreed.
There are many mothers on the planet who are also , narcissistic, manipulative, gaslight, etc etc, however these issues fall to the individual, and its a case by case basis. Just like you can’t say all mothers are like this , you can’t say all women or men are like that. Its the exception not the rule.
Do your research, the mgtow movement and the oldschool ( now pretty much extinct ) pua movement have nothing in common, zero !
Sadly, this is very true and the child is the victim in this circumstance. Tragic. In almost all cases it's a matter upbringing environment. You become the company you keep or surround yourself in.
Myself, I'm extremely fortunate and grateful for having a fabulous overall upbringing.
Myself, I'm extremely fortunate and grateful for having a fabulous overall upbringing.
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