Obama won't change anything

[greatshark]

Firstly, I am glad Obama won. I would have taken him over the Republicans any day and he is an intelligent guy. But he is not the change guy.

But a few years from now, the love affair is going to be over and you'll see few changes. Sure some minor ones.

US will be mostly out of Iraq, they will still have a small military presence their guarding their base (they aren't going to leave their base un guarded).

And almost all the troops will be slowly re-delployed to Afghanistan. That will be the new war. And he will be pushing Canada to stay there.

There will be no real change, especially the change people expected that jumped on his bandwagon. You'll still see America run the same way, which is Corporate influence by the donations they make to Congressmen and Senators. Therefore, America will be for the special interests and corporate interests like they all been.

Obama for change - you are fooling yourself.

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

i agree with you there will be very little change. Still nice for the blacks in the states to have a african american as president. Glad Bush wont be back whew. I also heard on cnn with Obama as president they'd likely host the olympics in chicago. But with Mcain in office that wont happen cause something about IOC or whoever not liking him

 

[Evolve]

Anyone who did try to rock the boat too much would get shut out by Congress, so I agree.

This is what I would expect:
I think he will repair international relationships, at least with America's allies and neutrals. I doubt that he'll magically turn enemies into friends.
Ease up on the rule-by-fear method that Bush has been riding for years. Of course, this assumes that there will be no 9/11 repeat.
He will modify/retire the Bush education plan (No-Child-Left-Behind)
He will pass his tax plan.

In short, I am expecting that he will spend most of his time undoing the damage that Bush did.
Also, he has already had an impact on race relations in the US, just by winning the election. No small feat.

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

So he'll probably take more than 2 terms to undo everything that bush did

In short, I am expecting that he will spend most of his time undoing the damage that Bush did.

 

[smackyo]

he's already changed something. he's made people want to be involved again. he's inspired many to go beyond partisanship unite.

 

[bigben]

Obama will be inspirational and a great leader, I think. However, the American people have to learn (as do Canadians) that they can't depend on <i>any</i> politicians to create change - they have to join in to make the efforts themselves. We have a culture that believes they have a sense of entitlement to overspend and overeat - then expect leaders and doctors to bail them when things go bad. If real change is to take place, then change has to come from within... everyone has a shared responsiblity.

 

[Validator]

Bigben, I totally agree. I think u guys are right in terms of what is going to happen but I think HOW he's going to do it is going to be different. I'm guessing, but think he will make more of an effort to have people more involved, more "in the loop" and almost, consult with the citizens of the US in addition to his cabinet, senate, etc. ...oh and Jack Bauer would probably save his life at least twice.

 

[trackstar]

Obama will be inspirational and a great leader, I think. However, the American people have to learn (as do Canadians) that they can't depend on <i>any</i> politicians to create change - they have to join in to make the efforts themselves. We have a culture that believes they have a sense of entitlement to overspend and overeat - then expect leaders and doctors to bail them when things go bad. If real change is to take place, then change has to come from within... everyone has a shared responsiblity.

VERY well said! Canadians are the most guilty of being too lazy to exact any kind of social change. The worst that we do is complain on boards such as this. Raise gas prices? Bitch, but do little else. Increased poverty level or drug use? Bitch on the board. Raising taxes or adding new ones? Bitch on the board. Remember when they raised the taxes in the UK and the people had a problem with it? They rioted in the streets because they would not take it anymore. In Canada? Bitch on the board. People make the big changes, not just a leader. Yet still, I just bitch on the board

 

[Arrrg]

yea there's going to be a huge disappointment in the internet community that really strongly wanted Obama. They seem to be expecting huge change but don't realize this sort of stuff doesn't happen over night.

Just hope for smart decisions and strong/believable leadership.

 

[Voyeur]

You seriously believe Obama wont change anything?

do you not sense the change already?

he's already given people hope, where there was none. He's a catalyst for turning the page from the dark Bush years, into the next chapter of history.

I cannot fathom how people think nothing will change...

the glass is half full.

 

[chuckanut]

he'll have to do something to somewhat fix the u.s. economy in the next four years, if he ever wants to make it to a second term. it's simple as that.

he won't be able to coast into the next term like "dubya" did. plus, the gop will be grooming someone within the next two years that can take on obama head on in 2012.

my two cents.

 

[Fudd]

I disagree.

Look how attitudes towards ameircans are begining to change even before Obama has even taken office.

Is It Cool to Be an American Abroad?

"An American colleague in Egypt says several people came up to her on the streets of Cairo and said: "America, hooray!" Others, including strangers, expressed congratulations with a smile and a hand over their hearts."

http://news.aol.com/article/is-it-cool-to-be-an-american-abroad/238998?icid=100214839x1212915409x1200781116

Americans are really lucky they have a great and popular leader like Obama. There is going to be positive changes coming soon.

On the other hand things are different for Canada. I was meeting a client from Saudia Arabia, and he had very nagative view about how Canada has sent occupational troops into Afganistan and how Harpers policy of using military force is a crime againt the people of Afganistan.

 

[Pantherdash]

Americans are really lucky they have a great and popular leader like Obama. There is going to be positive changes coming soon.

On the other hand things are different for Canada. I was meeting a client from Saudia Arabia, and he had very nagative view about how Canada has sent occupational troops into Afganistan and how Harpers policy of using military force is a crime againt the people of Afganistan.

I agree with you Fudd. The future is full of opstimism with Obama in the Oval office but we need to see him in action before we make our final decision. But you can tell he's a man of great integrity and wisdom. Certainly very charismatic.

But as for going in Afghanistan, what do you think Obama is going to do? He's going to pull most of his troops out of Iraq and re-deploy them to Afghanistan. I don't agree with you that it is a crime against the Afghanies. The Taliban was a crime against the Afghanies. The change there is going to be slow but it's much better than it was pre-2001.

Panther

 

[uncleg]

I disagree.

Look how attitudes towards ameircans are begining to change even before Obama has even taken office.

Is It Cool to Be an American Abroad?

"An American colleague in Egypt says several people came up to her on the streets of Cairo and said: "America, hooray!" Others, including strangers, expressed congratulations with a smile and a hand over their hearts."

Americans are really lucky they have a great and popular leader like Obama. There is going to be positive changes coming soon.

I hate to say I agree with Fudd, but I do at least on the short term.
If the American economy was strong and Obama was going to be able to make the changes he wants to make in the first term things could stay positive for America. But it isn't and in order to fix it he will have to look inward a lot more, which will at the expense of the countries and people that now think of him as the next best thing to sliced bread. Watch how attitudes abroad change when that starts to happen.

 

[EP_Dog]

I don't think it will really matter who's in charge

I'd have to agree with the original poster. The sad part of it is, that while politicians actually have little power to change things for the better, they have an almost infinite ability to make things worse.

 

[LightBearer]

You people know so little about Obama its DISGUSTING.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vice-president-joe-biden-promises-wearechange-an-upcoming-crisis.html

The unauthorized biography of Barrack H Obama (read the reviews)

http://www.amazon.com/Barack-H-Obama-Unauthorized-Biography/dp/0930852915

Presidents are PUPPETS get it thru your heads.

Bill Hicks know whats up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRXLDKSink

 

[LightBearer]

He's surrounded himself with Clintons communist party. How far does someones dick have to be up your ass before you realize your beeing fucked?

"Boy i like that Clinton, boy I like that Obama hey wait sumthins slappin my ass!" as the Obamanoid turns around. "Hey i'm being fucked!"

What has Obama done? He SAID hes gonna pull troops out of Iraq by 2013 end of his 1st term. 4 months later he says hes not going to have a timetable on troop withdrawl in Iraq. He has done nothing but TALK. He even once said "I have been to all 57 states!"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Cant you come back with any proof or facts other than insults?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQX7Awjui40

Obama admits hes learned alot from Brzezinski
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+brzezinski&hl=en&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=obama+brezin#

Who is Brzezinski? Hereis is telling afghany jihadists (aka al qaeda) "your cause is right God is on your side back in the 70's.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4doro_brzezinski-to-jihadists-your-cause_news

CAN YOU PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER?

 

[Pantherdash]

He's surrounded himself with Clintons communist party. How far does someones dick have to be up your ass before you realize your beeing fucked?

"Boy i like that Clinton, boy I like that Obama hey wait sumthins slappin my ass!" as the Obamanoid turns around. "Hey i'm being fucked!"

What has Obama done? He SAID hes gonna pull troops out of Iraq by 2013 end of his 1st term. 4 months later he says hes not going to have a timetable on troop withdrawl in Iraq. He has done nothing but TALK. He even once said "I have been to all 57 states!"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Cant you come back with any proof or facts other than insults?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQX7Awjui40

Obama admits hes learned alot from Brzezinski
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+brzezinski&hl=en&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=obama+brezin#

Who is Brzezinski? Hereis is telling afghany jihadists (aka al qaeda) "your cause is right God is on your side back in the 70's.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4doro_brzezinski-to-jihadists-your-cause_news

CAN YOU PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER?

Awwwe Silky, you're so cute when you're mad! Welcome back! I knew it wouldn't take long for you and your shitty spelling to resurface!

Panther

 

[trackstar]

Awwwe Silky, you're so cute when you're mad! Welcome back! I knew it wouldn't take long for you and your shitty spelling to resurface!

Panther

rofl, yeah, that wasn't too hard to pick up on, was it?

 

[Evolve]

The skepticism and the criticisms surrounding Obama makes me think of this quote by Theodore Roosevelt.

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

From a speech given in Paris at the Sorbonne in 1910

In life, I've learned that words may mislead you but actions, especially those done outside the limelight, speaks volumes about one's character. We can not judge a man by his words; it's true...even one as eloquent and poignant as Obama's. But no progress as ever been made by a critic and I prefer to pass judgment on his presidency only after his term is finished. I remain hopeful that he can make the world a more beautiful place.

That's a really great quote! I enjoyed reading that.

It does seem as if it would be fair to let Obama BEGIN his term before we criticize his presidency.


LightBearer: As Pather said, welcome back Silky!