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Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?

Which party will you be voting for on June 28?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 33 26.0%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 48 37.8%
  • NDP

    Votes: 20 15.7%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 4 3.1%
  • Marijuana Party

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 7 5.5%
  • Couldn't give a rat's ass

    Votes: 9 7.1%

  • Total voters
    127

qwerty

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I have not heard 1 single even half-decent reason to vote for someone else!!!!!!! All I hear is what the Liberals have done over the last 10 years. No-one here has said anything about what the other parties are going to do.


Lets see, what are the other parties going to do to improve my life??????? Can't think of anything??????

That's why on june 28 I'm voting for the Liberals.
 

Makhno

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wilde

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Let's balance the toons a bit, shall we?

 
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wilde

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wilde

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Politicians shouldn't wear hats on the campaign trail

 

wilde

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Where is Layton getting his advice?

 

wilde

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wilde

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wilde

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Cock Throppled said:
If you really see no alternative to the Liberals it still begs the question - why sanction their appalling record by voting for them?
Because there is .................................... no alternative. :D

Speechless.
 

Makhno

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Makhno

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Finally, an alternative.......

Endangered Rhino party resurfaces in the Yukon

Bill Curry
CanWest News Service

June 8, 2004

WHITEHORSE - After a 14-year absence from the federal scene, a lone Rhinoceros party candidate is running in the Yukon on a platform calling for the territory to change its name to Groupaction and invoice the federal government for $250 million in sponsorship fees.

Other pledges include genetically modifying exotic animals so they can live in the Yukon and battle it out on the streets of Whitehorse to increase tourism.

"This will also give us an opportunity to answer that age-old question: Can a polar bear kick a lion's ass?" said Brian (Godzilla) Salmi, veteran Rhino member and campaign manager for local candidate, Ben Mahoney.

"Every day, 5 o'clock, lion versus a polar bear, tiger versus a grizzly bear, kangaroo versus a moose. So that will increase tourism absolutely."

The 1988 election was the last time the Rhinos ran a significant number of candidates in a federal election. In 1990, a Rhino candidate ran and lost against Jean Chretien in a federal byelection.

Salmi blames the Conservative government of Brian Mulroney for killing the Rhino party with a law that required parties to field at least 50 candidates.

"In 1993, there was a concerted effort to wipe out all the fringe parties," he said.

That law was recently struck down by the Supreme Court.

Salmi hopes the Yukon campaign is the beginning of a comeback for the Rhinos.

He suggested the party could have appeal based on the current frustration with politicians who have broken their election promises.

"All politicians should be hooked up to lie detectors 24-7 while in office," he said. "They should have baseball gloves surgically attached to their hands so they can't steal from us and stuff their pockets anymore, and they should, as a basic, minimum requirement, agree that they will resign if they are caught lying, cheating, stealing or breaking their promises."

The Rhino platform is meant to be fun, with a touch of seriousness, said Salmi.

"The last line in the Rhino Manifesto basically says I hope you had a lot of fun reading the Yukon Rhino Manifesto. Part of our job is to make you laugh, but part of it is to make you think, as well."
 

wolverine

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I've kinda soured on Harper too. Sure, the Conservatives are getting a boost in the polls from that humorous TV ad depicting Liberals throwing away our tax money. But if read carefully what he's promising, he's pulling stuff out of his ass.

It all boils down to what your personal priorities are, and what you value.

Mine would be:
- universal health care and education
- fair taxation for all (a flat tax makes sense to me)
- effective use of our tax money
- gasoline taxes towards roads, bridges, public transit and developing alternative sources of fuel and power (cos that oil pit is gonna run dry)
- prevent our cities from falling into the decay they are experiencing now
- individual freedom and choice, and bearing sole responsibility for your choices
- social equality for all
- love/sexual freedom between two consenting adults, which applies to both gay marriage and pooning
- more cops that actually fight crime and patrol our neighborhoods instead of wasting time writing speeding tickets to fund their departments
- if we're supposed to have a free trade agreement with the USA or any other country, it damn well better be a two-way street
- be close allies with the USA, but don't be their bitch
- fair and effective immigration that brings in repressed refugees and qualified professionals, but keeps out criminals and terrorists.
 

wolverine

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dufferin said:
Wolverine i am with you on every one of your priorities and i'll also add a universal child care program.

You should have run for MP!
I'm not a very good liar. :(
 

wilde

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Wolverine

Agree with most of your priorities except universal health care. This is a sinking ship and it is sinking fast. The sooner we recoginze this fact the better we will be prepared for the future.




More waste promised in health care

Michael Campbell
Vancouver Sun

June 8, 2004


Britain's recent decision under Tony Blair's Labour government to have 25,000 publicly funded surgeries performed in private hospitals helps to underline the superficiality of the healthcare debate in the current federal election. Blair's goal over the next five years is to see 125,000 surgeries performed in private facilities thereby significantly reducing waiting lists.

Of course any such discussion is taboo in Canada because as Prime Minister Paul Martin has made clear, the Canada Health Act signed in 1984 is "a symbol of our national values," which begs the question what were our values before that time and certainly squelches any questions about the status quo delivery today.

The platforms of all major parties reflect the Canadian view that there is no healthcare problem that can't be solved by throwing more money at it. Unfortunately our experience tells a different story as underlined by a recent Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development study that concludes that Canada is the only country in the 26-nation study where adding more money to the system coincides with increased waiting times for surgery.

In every other OECD country waiting lists decline by a week for every $100 per capita added to the system, which is in stark contrast to Canada where our waiting lists increase by a week for every $100 thrown at the system. With the billions now promised by the major parties without any significant reforms, we can count on even longer waiting times.

If money were the only answer, you'd think that we would have seen positive results from the increasing healthcare spending from $78.5 billion in 1997 to $121.4 billion in 2003. Instead, Canadians believe that the system has declined in recent years. Yet all we're offered is more of the same plus more cash.

At some point the healthcare farce has to become apparent. On an age-adjusted basis, we spend more money per capita than any other country in the OECD, yet the World Health Organization has ranked us 30th in terms of overall care.

Doesn't any politician see a problem with a system that spends the most in the world yet ranks 14th in disability-free life expectancy, 16th in infant mortality and 16th in doctors per 1,000 of population? We spend more money than any other country yet we rank below the top 20 when it comes to access to new technology.

And let's not forget the study published last month by the Canadian Institute for Health Research that revealed 24,000 patients a year die in our hospitals due to adverse affects, which is double the rate in the United States.

I not sure what we don't understand about these and so many other studies that make it clear that the Canadian conceit of having the "world's best healthcare system" is without foundation. The facts points out that in terms of waiting lists, access to new technology and innovation, we're getting our clock cleaned by Austria, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, France, Greece, Switzerland -- all of which have universal, government pay systems without waiting lists.

Despite the promises to the contrary, without a commitment to meaningful reform the platforms of all the major parties promise more waste, longer waiting times for surgery and continued deterioration of the system and somehow we applaud them.
 
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wilde

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Further to the above article

Part of the problem in our health care system is that every time we throw more money at the system, the unions demand a bigger piece of the pie. We take care of the doctors; the nurses cry murder. We take care of the nurses; the cleaners and support workers cry murder. Thus creating a never ending cycle for more money. Now we have $25.00 an hour janitors crying poverty. And isn't it convenient that the various union contracts expire at different times, so each union can stage their job action at different times holding the public hostage again and again. Under the existing system, we are doomed!

The nurses' argument for more money in their last round of negotiations was that the doctors cannot do their jobs properly without the nurses. Therefore, the nurses are just as important as the doctors (ever heard of medical school?). So it goes without saying that if the doctors got more money................. You get the picture.
 
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Makhno

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Key Liberal promises

Liberal promises

- $27 billion in new spending over five years, while keeping budget balanced and a $3-billion annual reserve.

- $5 billion for 250,000 new day-care spaces by 2009; provinces not required to match federal funding.

- More money for Armed Forces peacekeeping; 5,000 more regular troops, 3,000 more reserves.

- Focus on wind power as alternative energy source.

- Increasing venture capital resources to help commercialize and turn profit from high-tech research at universities.

- An extra $1.5 billion for affordable housing to bring the total to $3.5 billion.

- Increase guaranteed income supplement for low-income seniors by up to $433 a year for individuals, $700 for couples.

- $1 billion to help families caring for seniors and disabled.

- Medical, disability related expenses family caregiver can claim doubled to $10,000.

- A new secretariat for seniors.

- $3 billion over two years for general improvements to medicare.

- $4 billion for a national fund to reduce wait times.

- $2 billion for a national home-care program.

- $2 billion for specific priorities, such as intensive care and mental illness.

- $2 billion annually from the federal gasoline tax for local governments after five years.
 

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Key Conservative Promises

Conservative promises

- $58 billion in tax cuts and new spending over five years.

- $37 billion in income tax cuts, mainly directed at the middle class.

- $13 billion in extra health-care funding, including up to $800 million a year for a national catastrophic prescription-drug program. That's on top of current $37-billion, five-year federal commitment of new health funding for the provinces.

- $7 billion extra for the military, including 20,000 more troops, new tanks, transport planes, hybrid navy helicopter carriers; upgrade CF-18 fighter-bombers.

- Scrap gun registry. Save $25 million to $100 million a year and use the cash to hire 200 more Mounties, pay for sex-offender registry.

- Redirect spending on the Kyoto climate-change accord to "concrete" programs to ensure a clean environment.

- Appoint only elected senators to the Senate.

- Eliminate the $12 Airport Security Tax.

- Develop performance indicators on access, quality , sustainability of health care.

- Monitor and report on waiting lists and explore ways to deal with them with the provinces and Canada Health Council.

- Support appointment of Chief Public Health Officer and creation of Canada Public Health Agency.

- Define federal, provincial roles during public health crisis and settle compensation formula for public health emergencies.

- Faster aid for farmers coping with disasters.

- Three cents a litre gas tax rebates for cities for infrastructure, with ceiling of $1.5 billion a year.

- Tax credit of $2,000 per child.

- Reduce employment insurance premiums.

- Expand GST tax credit for people with low and fixed incomes.

- Raise tax brackets and phase out lower-middle bracket.

- $50 million more per year for internal audits by auditor general.

- Tighten child porn laws to eliminate defence of public good.

- End statutory release for criminals who serve two-thirds of sentence.

- Mandatory minimum penalties for the criminal use of firearms.

- Cut to capital gains taxes.

- Cut business income tax rates.

- Overhaul regional development agencies to create business opportunities instead of giving grants and subsidies.
 

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Key NDP Promises

NDP promises

- $61 billion in new spending over five years.

- No federal budget deficits.

- Inheritance tax on estates worth more than $1 million.

- Earnings under $15,000 exempt from personal income tax.

- Increase the child tax benefit to $4,900 per child from $2,630.

- Full indexing of tax brackets and credits to inflation.

- New income taxes for those earning above $250,000.

- GST scrapped on feminine hygiene products and other family essentials.

- Higher corporate and capital gains taxes.

- Almost $30 billion in new health-care spending over five years.

- Phased-in pharmacare program.

- Half the federal gas tax to be returned to cities for transit.

- 200,000 affordable day-care spaces over four years.

- Two new national holidays.

- Repeal Clarity Act, recognize a declaration of Quebec independence if sovereigntists won referendum.

- Embark on a $10-billion program to build and install 10,000 wind turbines across Canada.

- Make every building in Canada more energy efficient.
 

Makhno

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Take your pick of the above promise packs. It really doesn't matter because none of the parties are expected to keep them once elected.

 
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