Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?
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Uh, wilde - I have no where advocated voting Conservative. I have only advocated not voting Liberal. Where's a Rhino when you need one?
Uh, Cock Throppled - please read my posts. Where did I say you advocated voting Conservative? I was quesionting your logic. You were advocating for not voting the Liberials because they did a poor job. Using this logic, we can't vote for the Conservatives either because they did a pretty crappy job themselves when they had their chance. So does that mean our only choice is those who have never been in power before? If so, your reasoning is flawed.Cock Throppled said:
There are many reasons that I would vote for the Liberals is that the PC party is a bunch of racist morons...
Just look into harpers eyes..., can you trust this guys...?
this party has had many racist issues in the past...and they are pro-Bush morons...
I have nothing against the American people..., but not the Bush Admin
I am getting my relatives, friends, almost anyone that I know vote for the Libs...not the racist pigs
Just look into harpers eyes..., can you trust this guys...?
this party has had many racist issues in the past...and they are pro-Bush morons...
I have nothing against the American people..., but not the Bush Admin
I am getting my relatives, friends, almost anyone that I know vote for the Libs...not the racist pigs
The Conservatives may be many things but they are not racists. Sure, they've had some bigoted wingnuts in their midsts back in the Reform days. But tell me, if they are racists then why do they have Sikh, Muslim and Asian supporters, candidates and MPs?
I would prefer any alternative to the no-longer-progressives. I don't want:
- big tax breaks for the rich (and that's who will get any benefit)
- dismantling of public health care, the CBC, and all the other things I actually want my dollars spent on
- sucking up to the American military machine (sensible increased priority for our armed forces is not a bad idea, though)
- regressive social agendas -- you can be sure that reducing access to abortion, bringing back the death penalty, etc. would all crop up again (we see what evangelical christians do with our neighbours to the south)
- absolutely no progress on liberalization of marijuana, prostitution or anything else that offends the right wing.
- big tax breaks for the rich (and that's who will get any benefit)
- dismantling of public health care, the CBC, and all the other things I actually want my dollars spent on
- sucking up to the American military machine (sensible increased priority for our armed forces is not a bad idea, though)
- regressive social agendas -- you can be sure that reducing access to abortion, bringing back the death penalty, etc. would all crop up again (we see what evangelical christians do with our neighbours to the south)
- absolutely no progress on liberalization of marijuana, prostitution or anything else that offends the right wing.
HankQuinlanHankQuinlan said:
I agree with you somehow...,
PC is just too extreme to the rightwing..., totally Americanize.
Saying this thing and doing other things..., totally a joke.
Wolverine
How can Harper reduce tax while increase billions of dollars on Military? And he's grad from Economic??
I wonder where did he graduate from, America Univeristy?
He can't balance the equation of economics...
secondly, he doesn't look sincere at all..., one can tell by their eyes when they speak...(whether the thruth or not)
However, this is a free country, we can vote whoever we want. But lets not forget that WE ARE CANADIANS, not Americans, so we don't have to follow whatever they do or their admin.
Especially not the American health system..., it's only for the richs..., pretty much only the rich can go to the hospitals whereas the poors will die quietly at homes...
again, imagine, the women have to pay thousands of $ for delivering a child...yike...what kind of a system is that???
Cynicism ..........
WAY TOO MUCH CYNICISM out there, boys and girls!
Come on now - you know you can do better. Just remember- the definition of a cynic is that he knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
We live in the finest city in the coolest country (according to the economist mag, no less) in the world. All I'm saying is - let's make it even better. Pick the party that comes closest to espousing your views and GET INVOLVED. You can even work to change the planks in their platform with which you don't agree.
On the topic of optics, yesterday's A:B photo comparison of Harper vs. P. Martin on the front page of the Post was priceless - Harper looking sure of himself, full of conviction and confident; Martin looking like a deer caught in the headlights! PM the (unelected) PM is going DOWNNNNNNNNNNN
WAY TOO MUCH CYNICISM out there, boys and girls!
Come on now - you know you can do better. Just remember- the definition of a cynic is that he knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
We live in the finest city in the coolest country (according to the economist mag, no less) in the world. All I'm saying is - let's make it even better. Pick the party that comes closest to espousing your views and GET INVOLVED. You can even work to change the planks in their platform with which you don't agree.
On the topic of optics, yesterday's A:B photo comparison of Harper vs. P. Martin on the front page of the Post was priceless - Harper looking sure of himself, full of conviction and confident; Martin looking like a deer caught in the headlights! PM the (unelected) PM is going DOWNNNNNNNNNNN
In the toronto star, http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1086387010467&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467
harper has stated he will cut $4 billion in 'corporate' taxes.
I guess they deserve it.............not.
Someone from the conservetive perspective, I mean this sincerely, explain to me how cutting taxes and increased spending will improve our situation here in canada??????
harper has stated he will cut $4 billion in 'corporate' taxes.
I guess they deserve it.............not.
Someone from the conservetive perspective, I mean this sincerely, explain to me how cutting taxes and increased spending will improve our situation here in canada??????
In 1990, former Klan head David Duke ran for governor of Louisiana against the Democratic incumbent, correctly perceived as incredibly corrupt. This lead to bumper stickers in the state reading "Vote for the Crook!". The crook was indeed, re-elected by a huge margin.
While our national situation does not compare in scale to those personalities, we are in a somewhat similar situation. I see this morning that Harper's emphasis is back on getting tough with street criminals. This is always the position of the scoundrel in North American politics, especially in a time where crime stats are getting lower in almost every era. It plays on the fears of old white folks who watch too much television....wait a minute, that describes me too...
While our national situation does not compare in scale to those personalities, we are in a somewhat similar situation. I see this morning that Harper's emphasis is back on getting tough with street criminals. This is always the position of the scoundrel in North American politics, especially in a time where crime stats are getting lower in almost every era. It plays on the fears of old white folks who watch too much television....wait a minute, that describes me too...
I think I'm beginning to see how those like wilde keep voting for Liberals. They simply don't comprehend things very well. A screed against the Conservatives and the Conservatives only in reply to an earlier post and then he claims I should reread his posts because somehow asking people to not vote for the Liberals means vote Conservative. Jeesh. Does this thinking extend to other parts of your life, as well? When a restaurant gives you food poisoning every time you eat there do you continue to dine there? If a mechanic knowingly inflates the bill every time you employ him do you still bring your car there? If an SP receives terrible revues for poor service do you rush to see her? If you really see no alternative to the Liberals it still begs the question - why sanction their appalling record by voting for them?
New poll shows Liberals in BIG trouble
Harper leads in Ontario
Poll has Tories making great gains, now in dead heat across country
Scott Stinson And Robert Fife
CanWest News Service
Saturday, June 05, 2004
Stephen Harper's Conservatives have for the first time moved in front of the Liberals in Ontario, a new poll says, raising the possibility of a Tory minority government.
The Ipsos-Reid poll released last night has the Tories with 35% of voter support in Ontario compared with 32% for the Liberals, who hold 97 of the province's 103 seats in the House of Commons.
The numbers reflect a remarkable turnaround in Ontario, where the Liberals held a 31-point lead (46%-15%) in the polls four months ago.
The new poll shows Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals receiving 32% of voter support nationally with Stephen Harper's Conservatives at 31%; the NDP under Jack Layton is at 17% support.
Based on national support, Ipsos-Reid projects the Liberals winning between 119 and 115 seats and the Conservatives taking between 114 and 110. Either party would need 155 seats in the 308-seat legislature to form a majority government.
The poll, which surveyed the voting intentions of 1,000 Canadians between Tuesday and Thursday and was broadcast on a national television network last night, suggests the Liberals have not seen much benefit so far from the recent increased media scrutiny of the Conservative party's positions on such sensitive social issues as abortion rights and gay marriage.
The Tory rise in Ontario also suggests the Liberals remain hampered by voter anger over a provincial Liberal budget last month that broke a pledge to not raise taxes, although the federal numbers in the province have continued to drop over the past week. A poll released Tuesday had the Liberals and Conservatives tied in Ontario with 36% support.
The Liberals have also failed to gain ground in Quebec, where the poll released last night had the Bloc Quebecois at 45% support compared with 28% support for the Liberals.
The Liberals and Conservatives are in a statistical tie nationally, because the difference in voter support is within the poll's margin of error -- 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
The Liberals have dropped more than 20 percentage points in the polls since Mr. Martin became Prime Minister in December, with much of the decline attributed to fallout from the Auditor-General's report into the sponsorship scandal.
Mr. Martin refused yesterday to talk about the sponsorship affair, saying an election campaign is the time to talk about "values" instead.
The Prime Minister made the comment after a senior Cabinet minister blamed the scandal -- in which as much as $100-million in questionable payments were made to Quebec advertising agencies -- on some of Jean Chretien's closest advisors.
Mr. Martin refused to comment on the statement by Stephen Owen, the Minister of Public Works, who was quoted as saying there was "political involvement at the highest level" in the scandal.
"I think it's the time to talk about our values as a country," the Prime Minister said. "My priority is health care, daycare. This is important."
He said Canadians should let the judicial inquiry into the sponsorship affair do its work before assigning blame. The probe will not get underway until the fall.
The Prime Minister tried to shift the focus yesterday to Conservative leader Stephen Harper's position on abortion.
Mr. Harper has said he will not introduce legislation, but he would not forbid a Conservative MP from putting it to a vote.
"I have proposed nothing that would limit a woman's right to choose, absolutely nothing," Mr. Harper said yesterday.
"I have no intention of tabling any such legislation in the House of Commons."
Mr. Harper charged that Mr. Martin's position on abortion is hypocritical. Mr. Martin has said if one of his MPs brought forward a private member's bill to outlaw abortion and it were to reach a vote, he would force his Cabinet to vote against it.
"Mr. Martin came to power by promising he would end the democratic deficit and increase the power of MPs. What he's now promising, because it's opportunistic to do so, is suddenly to limit this."
He said Mr. Martin should talk to his MPs, several of whom have in the past tabled legislation proposing to limit abortions and "check with them whether that's what they thought he meant when they supported his coup against Mr. Chretien."
At a daycare centre yesterday, Mr. Martin said he would reintroduce a bill to decriminalize marijuana and joked that he had never smoked a joint, but added "there is a rumour going around that I have eaten brownies."
The change to the laws regarding marijuana would mean fines -- not criminal sentences -- for people caught with small amounts of the drug.
Harper leads in Ontario
Poll has Tories making great gains, now in dead heat across country
Scott Stinson And Robert Fife
CanWest News Service
Saturday, June 05, 2004
Stephen Harper's Conservatives have for the first time moved in front of the Liberals in Ontario, a new poll says, raising the possibility of a Tory minority government.
The Ipsos-Reid poll released last night has the Tories with 35% of voter support in Ontario compared with 32% for the Liberals, who hold 97 of the province's 103 seats in the House of Commons.
The numbers reflect a remarkable turnaround in Ontario, where the Liberals held a 31-point lead (46%-15%) in the polls four months ago.
The new poll shows Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals receiving 32% of voter support nationally with Stephen Harper's Conservatives at 31%; the NDP under Jack Layton is at 17% support.
Based on national support, Ipsos-Reid projects the Liberals winning between 119 and 115 seats and the Conservatives taking between 114 and 110. Either party would need 155 seats in the 308-seat legislature to form a majority government.
The poll, which surveyed the voting intentions of 1,000 Canadians between Tuesday and Thursday and was broadcast on a national television network last night, suggests the Liberals have not seen much benefit so far from the recent increased media scrutiny of the Conservative party's positions on such sensitive social issues as abortion rights and gay marriage.
The Tory rise in Ontario also suggests the Liberals remain hampered by voter anger over a provincial Liberal budget last month that broke a pledge to not raise taxes, although the federal numbers in the province have continued to drop over the past week. A poll released Tuesday had the Liberals and Conservatives tied in Ontario with 36% support.
The Liberals have also failed to gain ground in Quebec, where the poll released last night had the Bloc Quebecois at 45% support compared with 28% support for the Liberals.
The Liberals and Conservatives are in a statistical tie nationally, because the difference in voter support is within the poll's margin of error -- 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
The Liberals have dropped more than 20 percentage points in the polls since Mr. Martin became Prime Minister in December, with much of the decline attributed to fallout from the Auditor-General's report into the sponsorship scandal.
Mr. Martin refused yesterday to talk about the sponsorship affair, saying an election campaign is the time to talk about "values" instead.
The Prime Minister made the comment after a senior Cabinet minister blamed the scandal -- in which as much as $100-million in questionable payments were made to Quebec advertising agencies -- on some of Jean Chretien's closest advisors.
Mr. Martin refused to comment on the statement by Stephen Owen, the Minister of Public Works, who was quoted as saying there was "political involvement at the highest level" in the scandal.
"I think it's the time to talk about our values as a country," the Prime Minister said. "My priority is health care, daycare. This is important."
He said Canadians should let the judicial inquiry into the sponsorship affair do its work before assigning blame. The probe will not get underway until the fall.
The Prime Minister tried to shift the focus yesterday to Conservative leader Stephen Harper's position on abortion.
Mr. Harper has said he will not introduce legislation, but he would not forbid a Conservative MP from putting it to a vote.
"I have proposed nothing that would limit a woman's right to choose, absolutely nothing," Mr. Harper said yesterday.
"I have no intention of tabling any such legislation in the House of Commons."
Mr. Harper charged that Mr. Martin's position on abortion is hypocritical. Mr. Martin has said if one of his MPs brought forward a private member's bill to outlaw abortion and it were to reach a vote, he would force his Cabinet to vote against it.
"Mr. Martin came to power by promising he would end the democratic deficit and increase the power of MPs. What he's now promising, because it's opportunistic to do so, is suddenly to limit this."
He said Mr. Martin should talk to his MPs, several of whom have in the past tabled legislation proposing to limit abortions and "check with them whether that's what they thought he meant when they supported his coup against Mr. Chretien."
At a daycare centre yesterday, Mr. Martin said he would reintroduce a bill to decriminalize marijuana and joked that he had never smoked a joint, but added "there is a rumour going around that I have eaten brownies."
The change to the laws regarding marijuana would mean fines -- not criminal sentences -- for people caught with small amounts of the drug.
Re: New poll shows Liberals in BIG trouble
The same health care he slashed $25 billion from BEFORE he was seeking your vote.
The same daycare the Liberals have been promising every election for the last 20 years and never delivering.
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him?
Right.Makhno said:
The same health care he slashed $25 billion from BEFORE he was seeking your vote.
The same daycare the Liberals have been promising every election for the last 20 years and never delivering.
Where's Guy Fawkes when you need him?
This is simple to answer, if we don't vote for them, the other guy will win!!!!! That is worse in my mind than what we have today.Cock Throppled said:
I can't understand why anyone wants a govnt. that wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy, Increase military spending so we can help pay for Bush's wars, take away our civil rights buy not allowing choice in abortion, gay marriage and smoking marijuana.
