Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?

[wilde]

With that happy development, Harper would be able to go to our dear Governess General with the following offering - "I am prepared to form a coalition government with G. Duceppe and the Bloc Quebecois".

The only thing the Tories would have to be crystal clear about - NO "truck or trade" with the separatists (note - I didn't grant them use of the politically correct bullshit term sovereigntist). This would be handled by way of a formal manifesto signed off by both parties.

Your logic if one can call it that is all over the place. Keep your day job, pal.

 

[qwerty]

Wilde, we both support the same party so I hope you can take this the right way. Lets refrain from personal attacks.

This is a long and well debated thread and good arguments have been made for all 3 sides. I would hate to see this thread reduced to infighting between the members.

 

[wilde]

qwerty

You are absolutely right. No offence to Mr. Jones, but somtimes I feel that his posts are rather contradictory. One minute he is right on the money, the next minute he is going off on a tangent.

It is getting rather difficult to predict the outcome of this election. It has gone from a sure thing Liberial majority to a Liberial minority to a Conservative minority. But there is plently of time left, and the hot potato issues have yet to surface and be debated.

 

[Makhno]

I would hate to see this thread reduced to infighting between the members.

Good thought, qwerty.

Lets all crack one of these and get back to the issues at hand.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Communists ???

Well boys and girls (seems to be only boys getting into this thread - what's with that, I'm wondering?) .......

I'm not surprised that qwerty and wilde flamed me - if you re-read my posting from a couple of days ago - you'll see that I predicted it!

There's nothing as threatened (revise this - say cornered like a rat in a trap) as a communist (well .... OK socialist) who cannot resort to logic to support his opinions.

I hope that even qwerty and wilde would agree that I have been nothing if not a gentleman on this thread. Yet again I have to say - my head is bloodied but unbowed!

I stand by my case, kiddies ...........

 

[Mr. Jones]

Results ........

BTW ... really rewarding for me to see the poll results as of this am ...........

 

[Makhno]

Meanwhile in the proverbial smoke-filled back rooms......

 

[qwerty]

Mr. Jones, you seem a little confused(not meant as a personal attack) but I never flamed you or anyone else in this debate. From the beginning of this thread I have refrained from making personal attacks in order to maintain the validity of my point of view. If you can give me an example of where I flamed you(in this thread) I will start a thread offering a sincere public appology. If you however cannot deliver the goods the least I expect is that you retract your statements.

I don't understand how I can be accused of flaming TWICE when the only people I've ever Flamed on this board(ever) are Jack Layton and Steven Harper. I've even given some shots to Paul Martin.

 

[Mr. Jones]

What HE said ........

OK - I promise - last posting for today - I have work to do.

HiFiSex - I like the way YOUR mind works, too. (Refer to his 2 posts of 30 May). You are spot-on regarding taxes!

Let's keep the pressure on to convert some of these recalcitrant PERB's who "don't get it"! .......

 

[wilde]

Mr. Jones

I was trying to point out the inconsistencies in your posts and your rather fuzzy logic.

I don't think qwerty flamed you at all. In fact, he actually asked me to stop what he perceived to be personal attacks (see quote below). For that he is accused of flamming you.

Wilde, we both support the same party so I hope you can take this the right way. Lets refrain from personal attacks.

This is a long and well debated thread and good arguments have been made for all 3 sides. I would hate to see this thread reduced to infighting between the members.

In your post above with the heading - "Communists ???" Are you accusing us for being communists for having a diffferent view than yours? Cause if you are you are no better yourself. And if you are not, then what's your point? I welcome informed and logical debate which I don't seem to be getting from you. No more "The federal debt WAS admittedly reduced by Cretin / Martin" followed by "in actual fact it WAS reduced by the Mulroney / Michael Wilson administration" logic please. Make up your mind, which one is it?

Originally posted by Mr. Jones
There's nothing as threatened (revise this - say cornered like a rat in a trap) as a communist (well .... OK socialist) who cannot resort to logic to support his opinions.

I am so glad we agreed on this one.

You also gave Martin the "Asshole of the Year Award" for being disappointed that his rivals turned down his invitation to goto France to commemorate the 60th anniversary of D-Day and those who fought for our freedom. Way to go Mr. Jones.

Originally posted by Mr. Jones
Let's keep the pressure on to convert some of these recalcitrant PERB's who "don't get it"! .......

You are absolutely right, I really don't get ..................................................................................... you at all.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I guess the question for people like wilde is - "Just what does it take for you to NOT vote Liberal?" If ten years of arrogance, waste, lies, mismanagement and downright theft doesn't do it I suppose a Liberal would have to break into your house and shoot your dog. Perhaps even that wouldn't be enough because you'd fear a Conservative or NDPer might burn the house down, too. I'm not asking anyone to vote Conservative, but by voting Liberal is to sanction and reinforce the Liberal misdeeds and allow them more to come. Why not vote Green? Not voting at all would even be better than voting Lib.

 

[Massagegirl]

If everyone voted Marijuana wouldn't the liberals, ndp and conservatives be out on their asses? Someone should start a "People" party where regular people are hired to run the gov't on a reasonable salary. Give them commission if they reduce the deficit, or bring in money or jobs, and take the right to give themselves raises away entirely. If power breeds corruption, wouldn't taking some of the power away help? It is 3 am so I am prolly not making sense right now, but hey, I can always dream of a perfect world, can't I?

 

[qwerty]

I guess the question for people like wilde is - "Just what does it take for you to NOT vote Liberal?" If ten years of arrogance, waste, lies, mismanagement and downright theft doesn't do it I suppose a Liberal would have to break into your house and shoot your dog. Perhaps even that wouldn't be enough because you'd fear a Conservative or NDPer might burn the house down, too. I'm not asking anyone to vote Conservative, but by voting Liberal is to sanction and reinforce the Liberal misdeeds and allow them more to come. Why not vote Green? Not voting at all would even be better than voting Lib.

First off EVERY party, no matter what they say will eventually waste your money, so that to me is not an issue. Secondly forget about the politicians for a second and look at this philosopicaly.
How do you live your live, and how does each Parties philosophy interfere with the way I wish to continue living my life?

1) Taxes: no matter who we put into power, when I cash my cheque it'll probably look the same.

2) Social programs: no matter who you put into power I will have access to health care, E.I. and education for my children. When this changes I'll re-evaluate my choice.

3) Military: If it were up to me, we would continue our role as a peace-keepers, and I don't see the need to increase military spending. I also don't want to be dragged into conflicts with the US, so I want a party who reflects this.

4) Marijuana: I have been known to smoke a little now and then and I want a party in power who, if nothing else, will look the other way, not enforce 'their' moral viewpoint on me.

5) Religion: As with above, I don't want rules created on the bases of morality, they should be based on common sense. For example the hobby we all enjoy here, abortion and same-sex marriage(if that's what you're into)

I'm not going to make my choice based as a knee-jerk reaction based on what the medea is telling me.

When I look at the issues that matter to me, and the way I live my life, I cannot in good conscience Vote Conservative. I could however live with an NDP govn't, I'd even vote for them but I feel I would be wasting my vote.

And unlike those of you who feel it is your 'duty' to change how someone is going to vote, I would never suggest that anyone vote for any party they wouldn't be happy with.

 

[Makhno]

So the Liberals are now promising a national daycare initiative.

What a fabulous idea!

Wait.............. I'm getting an overwhelming sense of deja vu.

Didn't the Liberals promise this before?

Yes, they have.............................several times in fact.

Have they delivered yet?

No.
(Only so much money to go around. Can't fund valuable social programs AND line friends' pockets at the same time.)

Should we believe them this time?

I'll leave this up to you.

 

[Makhno]

And while we're on the topic of lying politicians....

...I learned something very interesting the other day.

Let's say you are a frustrated voter who is sick and tired of the endless parade of empty promises by snake oil salesmen who disturb your slumber every four or five years during election season. You come up with a brilliant idea. Just get them to sign a document outlining what they have promised and pledging that they will do so if elected, so that we all know where we stand.

Good idea? Why not. Canadians sign contracts everyday which they are expected to honour on the pain of enforcement by the courts.

Guess what? To pin a politician down like that is actually illegal. Section 550 of the Canada Elections Act actually prohibits politicians from signing pledges to keep their electoral promises.

550. No candidate shall sign a written document presented by way of demand or claim made on him or her by any person or association of persons, between the issue of the writ and polling day, if the document requires the candidate to follow a course of action that will prevent him or her from exercising freedom of action in Parliament, if elected, or to resign as a member if called on to do so by any person or association of persons.

So promise-making is illegal, but promise-breaking is not.

Is this a great country or what!

 

[Chingada]

How can you tell there's a federal election?

A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of
the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been
tentatively named Governmentium.

Governmentium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75
deputy neutrons,and 11 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which
are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can
be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.
A minute amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take four days
to complete when it would normally take less than a second.

Some scientists speculate that Governmentium is formed whenever
morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity
is referred to as a Critical Morass.

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes administratium, an
element that radiates just as much energy since it has half as many peons but
twice as many morons.

 

[Cock Throppled]

From massagegirl - If everyone voted Marijuana wouldn't the liberals, ndp and conservatives be out on their asses? Someone should start a "People" party where regular people are hired to run the gov't on a reasonable salary. Give them commission if they reduce the deficit, or bring in money or jobs, and take the right to give themselves raises away entirely. If power breeds corruption, wouldn't taking some of the power away help? It is 3 am so I am prolly not making sense right now, but hey, I can always dream of a perfect world, can't I?

I've thought about this before and I believe this would be a good form of government. Under my plan citizens would put their names forward (like BC's Citizen's Assembly) , then names would be chosen at random to run the government with the help of experts and bureaucrats for a set period of time. (Maybe one year). At the end of that time they are replaced with a new set of citizens. No pension/ no election/ no party politics/ no favours to friends/ no rewards to those that curry favour. It could work municipally, or even provincially. Federally would be much harder, but the system we have now sucks, so why not try something new?

 

[Miss Samantha]

Tax break to grab ya,focus on miltitary,right-wing ideals such as anti-choice and anti-same sex marriage....

Woah ! The conservatives platform sounds very familiar ... oh yeah , it is almost identical to Bush's !!!!

Come on people , we're better than that . I thought we had better sense than the American public .

 

[pizzapest]

The liberals seem to know how to lose money. A billion here, a billion there. But at the same time, they seem to know how to make money, a billion here a billion there. So as long as they continue to better my quality of life, I'm voten Liberal.

 

[wilde]

I guess the question for people like wilde is - "Just what does it take for you to NOT vote Liberal?"

Very simple my friend, a viable alternative.

If ten years of arrogance, waste, lies, mismanagement and downright theft doesn't do it I suppose a Liberal would have to break into your house and shoot your dog.

Using this logic why would anyone want to vote the Conservatives? Did they not do all of the above plus much worse before the Liberials? Or does the passage of time makes it A-okay now? Or do you actually think that the Conservatives did a good job back then? Now that's a scary thought.

On another note, Stephen Harper's tax relief is so out of this world. Take 4 billion dollars from your right pocket and put it in your left pocket. What a genius, how come nobody thought of this before?