Now that the Election is real, who will you vote for?

[wilde]

The guy decides to walk down a different street and was promptly kicked in the balls, his face rubbed in the dirt and his money stolen by the estranged son of the man who did the same to him 14 years ago. This guy is called a Conservative voter. This logic baffles me.

 

[qwerty]

Every day a guy walks down a street and every day thew same man comes out, kicks him in the balls, rubs his face in the dirt and steals his money. The guy continues to go down this same street every day because if he goes down another street he may not get kicked in the balls or robbed, but he fears someone he doesn't know will maybe do something worse. This guy is called a Liberal voter. The logic escapes me.

No, we just know what's down those other streets and it is much worse!

And to Mr Jones my comment on your previous post back on page 3 (if that's what you were referring to) was not meant as a flame.

Check this am's Globe and Mail headline ("Martin's big pledge: $ 9 billion for health") .........

And he's going to do that without raising taxes (big time) ??? Can you say hypocrite kiddies ??? D'oh ..........

But if he can increase health care without increasing taxes he would be doing a good job, wouldn't he????

 

[Makhno]

Meanwhile in the back alley....

The Liberal record: what's not to like?
(a summary of "highlights" culled from the web)

* GST promise: Broken 1993 campaign promise to scrap the GST
* Pearson Airport development fiasco: Cost some $60 million dollars in penalties
* EH-101 Helicopter Cancellation fiasco in 1993: $500 million penalty to cancel contract to replace Labradors and Sea Kings. The same Cormorant is now replacing the Labs.
* Tainted Blood Scandal: Millions of dollars not transferred to victims; many have died.
* Jane Stewart HRDC grant scandal: $1 billion mismanaged and millions unaccounted.
* Residential School Abuse Claims: $200 mil spent on admin; $38 mil goes to victims
* Jean Chrétien - Shawinigate: $780 thousand from BDBC and HRDC for Chrétien's, rocky and weed strewn Grand-Mere Golf Course and the Auberge Grand-Mere (now burned). (PM: "No violence; no sex. No scandal"). Unjustly fired BDBC President, Vennat, who protested loans, sues for $4.6 mil in damages and is awarded severance and pension benefits of $445,000.
* Employment Insurance Fund Rip-off: $44 billion excess contributions stashed in Reserve Fund contrary to government's own guidelines.
* 7 year failure to collect GST fraud: Over $1 billion lost through loop-holes
* Under funded Armed Forces: $ Billions short. Service personnel only had forest green uniforms for Afghanistan desert wear.
* Un-tendered Bombardier contract: $101 million to purchase two Challenger executive jets. Thousands of hours of life remain on the old aircraft.
* $1.4 billion home heating fuel rebate program: Refunds for excess heating bills was even mailed to chronic care hospital patients and prison inmates.
* Paul Martin's "flags of convenience" Canada Steamship Lines: $161 million in federal development money "unknown" to PM. CSL criticized for its use of off-shore tax havens.
* Gov. Gen. Adrianne Clarkson (and friends): $41 million holiday to northern Europe
* $250 million Quebec Sponsorship Fraud: Internal audits in 1999 and 2001 identified abuse. Auditor General's 2003 audit finds non-compliance of contracting rules reached unprecedented proportions. $100 million paid to ad agencies for work of nil or little value. Even the RCMP is found guilty of "diddling the books" via use of a hidden bank account used to buy horses and trailers.
* Chretien insiders Gagliano, LeFrancois, Ouellet and Pelletier are fingered: Brault, Coffin and Guite' charged and arrested by RCMP. Parliamentary Inquiry shut down.
* $10 million Adscam gravy train rolls on: Damage suits by Gagliano ($4.5 mil), LeFrancois ($2.7 mil) and Pelletier ($3 mil).
* Owner licensing and firearms registration Boondoggle: $2 million net cost promised in 1995; over $1 billion spent by mid 2004. Expenditures also hidden in other department budgets. Government announces it will eliminate registration and transfer fees and limit spending to $25 million per year.
* 71.6 per cent of Canadians in April 2004 JMCK poll want long gun registry scrapped.
* Department of Defense Fraud: DND had $366 million Compaq-Hewlett-Packard computer maintenance contract. $159 million unaccounted
* PMO's "Secret" Unity Fund: $500 million spent over ten years on Liberal vote buying
* $36 million "Great Bum Wad" fiasco: Gov't buys Weston plant eyesore across from Parliament Bldgs - for site of future park - and then leases it back to owner for 25 years.
* $2.3 million Bluenose grant: $1.9 million has been siphoned off by an ad agency.
* Untold billions stashed in "private" gov't foundations - hidden from public scrutiny and beyond the reach of the Auditor General and Privacy Commissioner
* $6.5 billion spent annually on outside consultants - to buy "advice" largely available from within the public service.
* Ottawa' $5.5 million contract with Prairie Plant Systems produces "medical marijuana" for registered users - costing over $15,000 per ounce. It has a THC content so low - it has few therapeutic benefits. "Triple A" street cannabis sells for under $200 per oz. (Cannabis bureaucrats take lessons from gun registry staff, instead of Molson"s Gold).
* $1.9 million spent on severance payments and separation allowances for departing Chrétienite PMO staffers to make room for incoming Martinets.
* $3 billion offered on eve of election for health care after years of cuts in transfer payments: In a breaking news story, the Ottawa Hospital Research Institute reports 187,000 "adverse events" and 7,000, to 24,000 patient "medical misadventures" yearly. 7.5% of 2.5 million admissions are at risk; only 37% are preventable. Scary odds!!!
* $11 billion in increased health care spending announced by Martin on May 25th - After slashing transfer payments by $25 billion since 1995.

Want more? Bend over and vote Liberal again.

 

[wilde]

Re: Meanwhile in the back alley....

Want more? Bend over and vote Liberal again.

Substitute Liberal with Conservative.

Remember, everyone can play this game - dirt digging. Lets see who ends up with the bigger pile. Since the Tories have formed more government............

 

[qwerty]

Unfortunatly Wilde, we won't get the opportunity as the tories won't form the govn't.

Anyone want to put some money on it??????

 

[wolverine]

Jack Layton disturbs me. He never stops grinning, is a slick speaker and has shifty eyes. He reminds of a politician. No wait...

 

[Makhno]

Liberal support sinking like a stone...

A just released Ipsos-Reid poll conducted between May 28-30 for CTV and The Globe and Mail found that the Liberals are now at only 34 per cent among decided voters -- their lowest level since Paul Martin became prime minister in December. Not far behind is the Conservative Party, which has jumped four points to 30 per cent.

Based on those numbers, Ipsos-Reid drafted a seat projection model that suggests the Liberals would win only 122 to 126 seats if an election were held today. The Conservatives would get between 107 to 111 seats, the NDP 15 to 19, and the Bloc Quebecois 56 to 60. Any party needs 155 to form a majority.

Of great significance, this is just one week into the election campaign, and the Ipsos-Reid poll warns the Liberals may not have bottomed out yet.

The poll also suggests 66 per cent of Canadians believe it is time for a change, up from 60 per cent two weeks ago.

The winds of change are blowing........

 

[qwerty]

I'm probably going to get flamed from both sides here but I have to say I'm liking Martin less and lesss everyday. I've actually considered changing my vote to NDP(but they don't stand a chance)

Now here comes the part you were all waiting for........

I miss Jean, I wish he was still the Liberal leader. I know he's a crook but there was something about the way he carried himself that I respected. He had this kind of arrogance to him where he didn't let people get away with trying to fuck with him.

PM: "No violence; no sex. No scandal" - loved that one.

How about when he choked out the guy who came at him. - a classic

Or when the protesters got pepper sprayed, his response; "At least here in Canada we only use pepper spray"


Whoever gets power next is going to get walked all over because they won't have the balls or enough support behind them to do what they really want.

Liberal or Conservative, we're looking at 4-5 years of ineffective govn't.

 

[Makhno]

Now here comes the part you were all waiting for........

I miss Jean, I wish he was still the Liberal leader. I know he's a crook but there was something about the way he carried himself that I respected. He had this kind of arrogance to him where he didn't let people get away with trying to fuck with him.

And some people in the former Soviet Union still miss Stalin. Go figure.

 

[Cock Throppled]

wilde - you're obviously one of those devout, blind Liberals who will tolerate anything from them and enjoy being treated as fool by continuing to vote for them. I believe corrupt, dishonest governments should be punished and the only way is to vote them out. I'm not saying vote Conservative, NDP or Green. Just vote for something other than Liberal. Just because you fear the unknown is no reason to vote back in the people responsible for lying, cheating, stealing from you. Voting the current Liberals back in only reaffirms to them that they can be as corrupt as possible and get away with it.

 

[wilde]

wilde - you're obviously one of those devout, blind Liberals who will tolerate anything from them and enjoy being treated as fool by continuing to vote for them. I believe corrupt, dishonest governments should be punished and the only way is to vote them out. I'm not saying vote Conservative, NDP or Green. Just vote for something other than Liberal. Just because you fear the unknown is no reason to vote back in the people responsible for lying, cheating, stealing from you. Voting the current Liberals back in only reaffirms to them that they can be as corrupt as possible and get away with it.

Changing for the sake of changing is the worst reason you can have for doing anything. If you truly believe that governments are in fact free from corruption and honest, you need a serious reality check. I am voting/shilling for the Liberials because it is my belief that a Liberial majority will best serve my interests. Whereas you are voting for the lesser of many evils, to punish the Liberials as you put it. I also believe that I am voting the best and most competent man for the job regardless of party affiliations.

And for the Nth time, I do not fear the unknown. I fear Stephen Harper and what his party represents. I also fear a minority government from either party because the balance of power will shift to the NDP or even worst - the Bloc Quebecois.

 

[wilde]

This just in

Vancouver Sun Headline:

"B.C. Tory campaign official quits over tax conviction."

 

[wilde]

Makhno

Luckily, polls are only...............................polls. We'll see what the country thinks in 27 days.

 

[Makhno]

Wilde:

The election is just the final poll, albeit the only one that counts. The pollsters today use sophisticated models that for the past few elections have been pretty close to the mark, so the trend they are spotting cannot be good news for the Liberals.

However, one of the biggest mistakes in politics would be to underestimate anyone. There are still 27 days left in the campoaign and anything can happen.

However I think it is fair to say that this may be one of the rare elections where the outcome will not yet be determined by the time the polls close at the Ontario-Manitoba border.

 

[wilde]

However I think it is fair to say that this may be one of the rare elections where the outcome will not yet be determined by the time the polls close at the Ontario-Manitoba border.

Amen to that. BC and Alberta may actually decide the outcome, what a refreshing idea.

 

[wolverine]

The reason I'm torn in two is because I like Paul Martin in many ways...he's intelligent, articulate and seems to know his shit. That's saying a lot because I never really cared for the Liberals that were led by Jean "I'm riding on Trudeau's dead coattails" Cretien. Plus, Martin has booted out all of the other Libs I disliked, such as "Pass The Tequila" Sheila Copps and David "I wrecked the airline industry" Collenette. And all that crap with the gun registry and sponsorship scandal all happened under Cretien. But does Martin truly represent a change for the better, or will it be "same old, same old"?

The Conservatives may be a viable choice. Yes, they are really the Reform/Alliance in another guise, but not as right-wing. Despite some extremist wingnuts still lingering in their midsts, they were never racist - not when they have the first Muslim elected to Parliament and now has a Sikh dude running for them in one of the Edmonton ridings. Yes, they may have good fiscal policies. But Conservatives have always leaned towards becoming America Junior and playing footsie with their Republicans. I still have glaring memories of Mulroney talking with Reagan's hand shoved up his arse, and Harper seems all too eager to be George Shrub's bitch. That doesn't bode well for health care nor our other social programs. Another big question I have is their social agenda - any hint of a Christian/Moral Majority stink, and they can kiss my vote good-bye.

When it comes to it, would the Conservatives really be any better than the Liberals?

 

[Mr. Jones]

Hey Makhno (AND Cock Throppled) - I sure like the way your minds work!!!

I'm going to really get carried away this am. Forget about those silly polls. The only one you need is HoJo's. Here's my scenario for the evening of 28 June (and I agree with Maknho - for the first time since Stanfield's 2nd try, the outcome won't be clear until BC does its thing):

Tories 115 seats
Libs 108
Bloc 50
NDP 35

TOTAL 308 (I think?)

Here's the really cool part! The hypocrite / valueless / asshole Libs will have only one option - to throw in with the NDP. This will be a thing of beauty and a vision of loveliness - second only to the hot women who were out cruising the streets of our very fair city yesterday. Now (wait for it) those of you who can do the math will figure out that that this outcome will STILL not give the Libs a majority. With that happy development, Harper would be able to go to our dear Governess General with the following offering - "I am prepared to form a coalition government with G. Duceppe and the Bloc Quebecois".

That's right, kiddies - you heard it here first! This plan would solve a lot of problems. First and foremost, it would allow our perpetually whining "friends" in la Belle Province adequate representation in cabinet.

The only thing the Tories would have to be crystal clear about - NO "truck or trade" with the separatists (note - I didn't grant them use of the politically correct bullshit term sovereigntist). This would be handled by way of a formal manifesto signed off by both parties.

Pretty elegant, huh?

Well, I know I'll be roundly flamed by a couple of PERB's (you know who you are), but as I said yesterday - my head is bloodied but unbowed.

Have a nice day, y'all !

P.S. BTW, Makhno - what the hell does your handle mean (if you can share with us, that is?)

 

[Mr. Jones]

P. Martin - Asshole of the Year Award ...

Further to my above-referenced rant - here's some late-breaking news, boys and girls:

P. Martin has a quote from last nite that is the lead item on CBC's national news this am. He is chiding the other 3 leaders for not joining him at Dieppe on 6 June - for his photo op! This is another of my "Mr. Rogers moments" (can YOU say BASTARD kiddies?).

Simply more evidence of the incredible asshole that Pauli is, and will remain forever. I can't wait for the dirty little hypocrite to "go down" on 28 June.

I think this election will be the most exciting in which I have ever partaken (in my short, sweet life - and NO - I'm NOT going to divulge my age - at least not in a public forum!).

Have a nice day ....

 

[qwerty]

Hey Jones, June 28 of what year????? Not this year:Þ

And you're probably right. If the conservatives will go 'to bed' with the Reform, they'll go to bed with anyone. They'd probably ask the NDP to join them too, if they needed the seats.

A Conservative, Reform, Bloc majority govnt. wouldn't be so bad. The Liberals could just sit back and watch it fall apart.

 

[wilde]

Re: P. Martin - Asshole of the Year Award ...

Originally posted by Mr. Jones
P. Martin has a quote from last nite that is the lead item on CBC's national news this am. He is chiding the other 3 leaders for not joining him at Dieppe on 6 June - for his photo op! This is another of my "Mr. Rogers moments" (can YOU say BASTARD kiddies?).

For that he gets your asshole of the year award, talk about trival, petty and insignificant. Now I am really wondering about your age (physical and mental)?