The league will reject the players' offer and their counter-offer will be rejected by the players. Season gone. Do I care? Not really. They can stay out another year if they like. I Hope the league does disolve and something new arises that gives fans, not corporations a good shot at being able to afford a game.
NHL stupidity
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I believe we've spoken. Yawn.yogi said:
Notice the roar of the fans? (sarcatickly - the deafining silence) of who gives a rats ass! That is why the NHPLA made the proposal - they thought they cood come out looking like the the poor starving bastards!
The truly, truly awful thing is that when the NHL gets back to action the majority of moronic fans will swarm back to the GM hive, give standing ovations to the slightly less overpaid stars and continue to buy tickets and tune in and it will go on and on. There are even people who still worship NBA players. You know, the guys who make even more millions than NHL players, abuse the fans regularly, refuse to follow rules of civilized society, etc.
I would like to see the 24% reduction for the next 10 years not just next year and for current contracts. The owners screwed up but it is in their right to change their business to get it under their control. I hope the owners reject the offer...
The players offered a one time fix which is generous and it really was only to try and win the fans back. Well, they did not win this fan back with that short termed solution...
If the players don't like the way they are paid then go play somewhere else. That's what normal people do in the real world...
The players offered a one time fix which is generous and it really was only to try and win the fans back. Well, they did not win this fan back with that short termed solution...
If the players don't like the way they are paid then go play somewhere else. That's what normal people do in the real world...
since the players have said ,why should they be responsible for the mismanagement by the owners.I suggest that why should the fans also be responsible for the owners mismansgement.If the players offer a 24% pay cut -goes directly to bottom line of owners- the fans should get some significant cut in prices.
this way the owners are forced to improve management of their times.THE PLAYERS &OWNERS DONOT ACCEEPT THAT FANS ARE PARTNERS TOO.
this way the owners are forced to improve management of their times.THE PLAYERS &OWNERS DONOT ACCEEPT THAT FANS ARE PARTNERS TOO.
My prediction came true. Seems the players might have to live on those chinzty $300,000 a year European salaries.
They players fully understand their offer and the need to reduce their salaries. They just want a raise in pay the day after the season starts.
They will not gaurantee or stand behind anything they offer for the long term.
Hmmm, Let's see... 6 Million this year minus 35 % = $ 3.9million/year or let's see.. Not play and get NOTHING per year for possibly for 2 years. The players most effected are earning over 5 million. Anybody under $800,000 lose nothing!
*Over 340 players or roughly half. would lose nothing...
DUHHHH!
They will not gaurantee or stand behind anything they offer for the long term.
Hmmm, Let's see... 6 Million this year minus 35 % = $ 3.9million/year or let's see.. Not play and get NOTHING per year for possibly for 2 years. The players most effected are earning over 5 million. Anybody under $800,000 lose nothing!
*Over 340 players or roughly half. would lose nothing...
DUHHHH!
You have to hand it to Goodenow, his proposal with the 24% rollback was a pretty shrewd tactical (albeit defensive) move. By tabling a proposal with a big number he has taken the spotlight and put it squarely on the NHL and Gary Bettman. Why? because, let's face it, most people out there see 24% and say "Oooh, they're giving up a 1/4 of their salaries" and do not see that it is a band-aid solution. Now, the NHLPA can say "We tried and the owners said no. blame them"
You also have to give credit to Bettman (as much as I hate the little weasel) for sticking to his (and the owners') position that they need a long term solution.
Someone said that this came about because the owners allowed the salaries to get as high as they did so don't blame the players. there is some truth to that, but by the same token, if someone invests money in a business venture, it's with the intention of getting a return on the investment. I don't know of anyone who would be willing to fund a lemonade stand if you lost $100 a day. What's the point?
The same goes for an NHL team, or ANY professional sports team. There is a business side to it. the owners obviously believe in the product (or at least the porduct's potential revenue) so they want to ensure that the business is profitable. but the players CAN'T be dumb enough to think that in those arenas where there are more empty seats than fans the owners will be willing to take losses indefinitely.
At this point there is a disparity between winning and losing teams and that has a lot to do with the payroll (except in the case of the NY Rangers). the owners are trying to ensure the longevity of their orgnaizations and the league (and let's face it, their income as well, but that's to be expected) with what they are asking for. If the players can't see that, then they truly ARE big dumb greedy jocks.
That having been said, a lot of the fault lies with Gary Bettman for expanding the league as quickly as he has and by putting teams in places that cannot support hockey in the long term.
Hockey will ALWAYS be a fringe sport in the US. it will always be put below the MLB, NFL, NBA and NASCAR in the majority of the states. and heaven forbid if there are college games on.
Hockey will not, in the near future, be a top 3 sport in the US except in the odd state or two like Minnesota.
You also have to give credit to Bettman (as much as I hate the little weasel) for sticking to his (and the owners') position that they need a long term solution.
Someone said that this came about because the owners allowed the salaries to get as high as they did so don't blame the players. there is some truth to that, but by the same token, if someone invests money in a business venture, it's with the intention of getting a return on the investment. I don't know of anyone who would be willing to fund a lemonade stand if you lost $100 a day. What's the point?
The same goes for an NHL team, or ANY professional sports team. There is a business side to it. the owners obviously believe in the product (or at least the porduct's potential revenue) so they want to ensure that the business is profitable. but the players CAN'T be dumb enough to think that in those arenas where there are more empty seats than fans the owners will be willing to take losses indefinitely.
At this point there is a disparity between winning and losing teams and that has a lot to do with the payroll (except in the case of the NY Rangers). the owners are trying to ensure the longevity of their orgnaizations and the league (and let's face it, their income as well, but that's to be expected) with what they are asking for. If the players can't see that, then they truly ARE big dumb greedy jocks.
That having been said, a lot of the fault lies with Gary Bettman for expanding the league as quickly as he has and by putting teams in places that cannot support hockey in the long term.
Hockey will ALWAYS be a fringe sport in the US. it will always be put below the MLB, NFL, NBA and NASCAR in the majority of the states. and heaven forbid if there are college games on.
Hockey will not, in the near future, be a top 3 sport in the US except in the odd state or two like Minnesota.
the one thing that is
really more of a shame if you think about it is all of the Jobs of the "average working stiff" that have been affected by this..all the stadium employees..and multiple other businesses that normally reep the benefits of a hockey season
there was a report earlier on CBC on the affects that it has had on Toronto workers..I shutter to think of all of the other cities as well !!
really more of a shame if you think about it is all of the Jobs of the "average working stiff" that have been affected by this..all the stadium employees..and multiple other businesses that normally reep the benefits of a hockey season
there was a report earlier on CBC on the affects that it has had on Toronto workers..I shutter to think of all of the other cities as well !!
Re: the one thing that is
Yep. And it somehow seems just a tad unfair that the people who are whining the most make as much or more in 60 minutes of regulation time than most "average working stiffs" make in a year.chuck1561 said:really more of a shame if you think about it is all of the Jobs of the "average working stiff" that have been affected by this..all the stadium employees..and multiple other businesses that normally reep the benefits of a hockey season
ya, these 2 guys – the point at which the salary structure really began to spin out of control. Now he’s an owner --- and Mario to. Gretzky & Lemieux having to deal with the realities of fiscal management – could there be any greater irony given the kind of money these two guys pulled down and the part each played in delivering the NHL to it’s current financial problems?
The average NHL yearly salary today, the average, is $1.8 million per player. Let them eat cake.
as far as I understand ..they are even getting 1 million a year strike pay..I almost think I heard that wrong but then again I guess it wouldn't surprise metimec said:
ya, these 2 guys – the point at which the salary structure really began to spin out of control. Now he’s an owner --- and Mario to. Gretzky & Lemieux having to deal with the realities of fiscal management – could there be any greater irony given the kind of money these two guys pulled down and the part each played in delivering the NHL to it’s current financial problems?
The average NHL yearly salary today, the average, is $1.8 million per player. Let them eat cake.
AMEN Lowermainlander... The owners screwed up but it is in their right to fix it and make money... The players will lose this battle. Will the players be able to figure that out though?
I would not give up my salary for a year when I know I work for the top paying company even after a reduction. It's an easy decision for the players in my mind.
Players are getting 10K a month only. Only, isn't that funny...
I will fully support replacement players. Many will cross the line anyway...
I would not give up my salary for a year when I know I work for the top paying company even after a reduction. It's an easy decision for the players in my mind.
Players are getting 10K a month only. Only, isn't that funny...
I will fully support replacement players. Many will cross the line anyway...
Let them sit. They're happy to go to europe and play for 1/10th or 1/20th of their NHL salary but they can't survive on less here. I'd give 24% of my current salary too if it had gone up 300% in the last 10 years and I had arbitration rights and the same band of idiots out there that help me get that 300% increase in the first place.
