nfl picks and thoughts.

[sevenofnine]

What ever happened to Tebow.
Its funny the world was a buzz and now.

I like the Patriots and Brady, I mean they look awesome, I don't know but it always seems to be a sleeper, or some one like coming from behind peaking at the right moment. Just so focused and driven.
It might be Peyton and the Broncos,
Maybe the Falcons.

 

[blazejowski]

What ever happened to Tebow.
Its funny the world was a buzz and now.

Tebow is a little boy playing in a man's game... simply put.

 

[Big Dog Striker]

Tebow is a little boy playing in a man's game... simply put.

And making good money while doing it, actually while watching it.

My favorite NFL team seems to have a good chance in next year's top pick in the draft. lol I like this year's underdog miracle team which is the Indianapolis Colts with their smart franchise rookie QB from Stanford. I think they'll go as far as the playoffs like Tebow's Broncos last year. :nod:

Another trip to the Superbowl for Supermodel Gisele this year with a happier after party this time around. :happy:

 

[Big Dog Striker]

My thoughts on the NFL this year is wow Robert Griffin aka RG3 is the real deal. I have heard the criticism and I agree for the good of a long successful career he needs to think about sliding or stepping out of bounds every now and then but the Redskins finely have a QB that can take theme to the next level.

Cleveland offered 3 #1's but the Redskins offered 4 #1's and got RG3. I think they overpaid for RG3 during the start of the season and I was wrong. I'm glad they got the real deal that would bring back the glory days of Redskins football. Kudos to the Redskins management for taking the risks to consummate the RG3 deal. :nod:

 

[Dgodus]

So do I BDS. I just don't see him lasting long playing that style at his size. What a fun talented guy to watch though. As for your boy Tebow,I think enough has been said on that topic. There isn't a coach in the league that would hook their wagon to that truck as a QB.

Jacksonville should. They sold out the last game just so they could watch Tebow stand on the sidelines basically.

 

[Big Dog Striker]

Jacksonville should. They sold out the last game just so they could watch Tebow stand on the sidelines basically.

Plus, that was the Jaguars best attendance for the year. lol What more if he plays.... I think this is Tebow's last NFL stop. He should have gone there in the first place instead of the Jets. :nod:

 

[sevenofnine]

I like RG III but christ to play the game you have to be healthy more or less.
Michael Vick the same problem, just doesn't know how to slide.
Those guys line men and linebacker are big for christ sake you have to know how to take a hit.
How the hell did Tebow get a sore rib, did he even play,

Elite Qb's that is what some sports commentator said its all about having a franchise qb, like peyton or eli, or drew,etc, if you have one you have a chance, if not your just fumbling around in the dark.

 

[Dgodus]

Houston could make the SB. Their team isn't built to come back from any deficit, they're made to control the clock, play with a lead, grind it out and play defence. I could see them beating one good offensive team, but if they have to beat Brady AND Manning it's not happening regardless of home field or not. They need the Pats and Broncos to eat each other for them to make the SB.

If you want a bad team with a good record look at Indy 9-4 and they're minus in point differential. I'm all for the inspirational story with their coach and all, but they're gonna get smashed in the playoffs. We'll also find out how legit SF is next week, they haven't really beaten anybody. the Bears? (Well the Bears are another good/bad team imo) the Packers? (first game of the year, can get a pass) and they lost and tied their games with the rams....THE RAMS!?! No I'm just going to call SF not very good right now you just aren't supposed to lose to the Rams after they already surprised you with a tie game - that's pitiful.

How big is that replacement ref blunder in the Packers/Seahawks game turning out to be. 3 games left and SF has a 1.5 lead over Sea, and GB has only 1 game over Chi.

If you're in the NFC east you're playing playoff pressure games right now, I think if you want in the actual playoffs in that division you've gotta win the division. I just wish there were more nfc east divisional games near the end of the season - seriously nfl how did you fuck that one up and not schedule like a month straight of nfc east games to finish the reg season, instead we get 3 games and 2 of them involve the Eagles.....

Elite QB's....I'm not going to say they're overrated, because they aren't, QB is the best position to have it be your best player. But you dont need an elite QB, you need a QB that's capable of winning you a game, not just one that relies on the run, defense and not screwing up. You can win with someone like Cutler, Flacco, Roethlisberger (um he's actually won em, and no he isn't an elite QB), and dare I say it Romo (ability wise anyways, honestly the guy does wilt) but you need a solid team to do so; the Giants when they upset the Pats the first time is a good example of that, nobody would have called Eli Manning a top flight QB back then (I still wouldn't), but he had the ability to put points on the board at times and the Giants themselves were a really good solid team. Elite QB and Franchise QB aren't the same thing though.

Pats/Broncos AFC champ game and Packers/nfc east NFC game. That's my guess. Yes saying nfc east is pretty vague, I just hate giving the Giants credit for anything.....

 

[sevenofnine]

I would take Big Ben any day as a qb or Eli.
I wouldn't have a problem at all going to war with either one of them,

If your an owner maybe there a bargin, I mean would they demand the high price tag of some one like Brady or Peyton.
Are they an elite qb, most likely not but they are in the converstation.
Mostly I don't rate them as an elite qb is because I don't like them personally, Eli is just funny. He is hard to respect. But as a owner yeah.

I think its more about coaches and owners.
you have idoit coaches, your going to have a fucking stupid team. Look at the stupid shit in Jet land or the eagles. Its more about stupid coaches and owners then anything that makes a winning or losing franchise.

 

[Dgodus]

Sean Payton made himself aloooooooooot of money this year

 

[satinguy]

I'm a NY Giants fan so maybe i'm a little biased but i believe they have a shot and I do consider Eli Manning to be an elite QB. He may never put up the numbers his Brother does but there are not many better when the game is on the line. Giants are a team that are built for the playoffs, they don't rely strictly on passing although Eli has proven he can get the job when needed, and they have a solid defense and good special teams. They can win anywhere. In a dome, the frozen tundra of Green Bay or windy San Fran. Like New England, weather will not play a factor for this team in the post season.

The NFL like most Pro Leagues these days is very difficult to repeat as Champion. I think the Patriots were the last team to win back to back titles in 2002/03 so for that reason it may be very tough for the Giants to repeat.There are a few teams in the NFC aside from the Giants with a shot, I like Green Bay's chances. In my opinion Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL and already has a title under his belt. San Fran is another team that has a shot.

In the AFC it just might come down to Brady vs. Peyton Manning yet again, as the Patriots and Denver Broncos look very strong. I expected Baltimore and Pittsburgh to be better than they have played but still could be dark horses. Not sure Houston has what it takes this year.

RGIII is quite entertaining but the Red Skins are not a playoff team this year, maybe next year as they do have a great rookie runnning back to complement RGIII. As for Bob, No doubt this guy has great potential but i question his durability. He seems to take a lot of hard hits the way he plays. We all seen the hit last week that forced him from the game but he took some big shots in the previous game against the Giants. Very courageous to stand in the pocket with Tuck and JPP bearing down on you but Washington need a better offensive line to keep this guy healthy.

Should be a great final few weeks of the season and an amzing playoff. Hockey, who needs hockey, things are just fine with the NFL.

 

[Dgodus]

Eli Manning is a good qb, and someone you can trust to win you a close game in the 4th quarter. The thing being he cant win you a game all on his own, he cant drag a mediocre team to the playoffs all on his own. In order to win those really close games with a 4th quarter come from behind drive your team needs to play big the whole game. Look at the two sb wins Eli has, 17-14 and 21-17; that's over the Pats too, how many teams hold the Pats to 14 and 17 pts??? Dont get me wrong, he's a good franchise qb; but if you had any pick of all the qb's in the league to start for your team for one year you aren't taking Eli Manning (unless you're a complete homer) you're going to take Brees, Rodgers, Brady or Manning (the og) and there is your list of elite qb's. Elite means they're rare, you cant start throwing the E. Mannings, Big Bens, Flaccos, and Ryans onto the list and still keep what elite really means. Come on Eli is 16th in the league right now as far as qb's go (18th in comp %, 9th in yrds/game, 12th in td's, he's even 9th in most int's thrown, 12th in yrds/att) compare that to Brady 2nd in rating (8th, 5th, 3rd, 5th - and he's only thrown 4 picks all year so far) or Manning 4th in rating (2nd, 6th, 2nd, 4th - and 10picks for a 3-1 td/int ratio). Eli's 3rd on the active list for 4th quarter combacks behind guess who? Yup Peyton (1st all time) and Brady. I'm also willing to bet Peyton/Brady have more combacks of more than 1 score as well (didn't Peyton come back against SD this year down by 20 some pts at half?)

If you build a good team Eli can win for you and he's someone you know wont crack under pressure in the 4th. Brady's done it before with receivers that were out of the league once they were off the Pats, no running game and a porous pass defense; Peyton is doing it right now with nobodies as well. That's the difference between an elite qb and a franchise qb. Without more rings Eli isn't getting into Canton, the only thing Brady and Peyton have to do to get into Canton is retire. Hell since I've started watching football only 7 qb's I've got to see have made the HOF (Young, Montana, Aikmen, Moon, Kelly, Elway, and Marino), you could probably add Favre to the list as I imagine he'll be in eventually once he's eligible.

In the AFC it just might come down to Brady vs. Peyton Manning yet again

Statements like that pretty much depict perfectly what an elite QB is. It's not Eli Manning vs anyone, it's the NY Giants vs someone.

Having said all that I think the only other qb I'd take over Eli is maybe Roethlisberger outside of the afformentioned list of truly elite QB's in the league - but either of those guys require a good team to be built around them to win.

I just know I'd hate to be a Giants fan, they beat SF and GB but lose to Cin, Dal, and Phi. There is also a chance they dont even make the playoffs when they have games left against Atl and Bal with only a 1 game lead in their division. Unless they play the Pats again in the SB they aren't winning squat.

I'd be careful saying the Redskins aren't a playoff team, they handled the Giants easily enough (beat them once, and it took a blown coverage big play for the Giants to win at home) and their remaining games are alot easier than the Giants (Cle, Phi, and Dal), not saying they'll get anywhere in the playoffs, just saying I'd lay some money on them to win the division and feel alright with it.

 

[rexxx]

I've never been a Manning fan Peyton plays like the best QB in the regular season but rarely shows up for the playoffs the only reason he has a ring is because he got to play against Rex Grossman. Eli seems to be better under pressure but if I had to pick a guy to win the game facing 3rd and 20 it would be Big Ben. you still need a complete team to win it all though look at Elway if he had decided to retire a couple of years earlier before the Broncos got a defence and a running back he'd be bunched in with Marino and Jim Kelly

 

[Big Dog Striker]

who needs hockey, things are just fine with the NFL.

+ the NBA

Not to mention the HOT Cheerleaders. Dallas Cowgirls and Laker Girls just to start with.

 

[satinguy]

I'd be careful saying the Redskins aren't a playoff team, they handled the Giants easily enough (beat them once, and it took a blown coverage big play for the Giants to win at home) and their remaining games are alot easier than the Giants (Cle, Phi, and Dal), not saying they'll get anywhere in the playoffs, just saying I'd lay some money on them to win the division and feel alright with it.

Easily enough?

Washington won that game by 1 point, a missed field goal by the Giants was the difference. Giants had more first downs, more yardage, & more time of possession. Penalties were the difference in that game as Giants took way too many. Both games have been very close between the tow teams as they usually are in the NFC East. I actually thought Washington played better the first game that they lost in New york but that just my opinion.

Clearly you don't like the Giants and refuse to give them credit even after winning 2 SuperBowls. They beat the best teams, Atlanta, Green Bay, San Fran and New England. They clearly have tougher schedule than Washington and that is fine, good teams should play good teams. Troy Aikman said it best, Giants play to the level of their competition, they play strong against strong teams and they don't play well against weaker teams. If you hate to be a Giants fan because they lost to Philadelphia would also hate to be a New England fan because they lost ot Arizona? Hard to go 16-0.

Washington are the team not winning squat, I don't think the Giants will win the Superbowl again this year but i know Washington won't win it and i doubt they will make the playoffs but only speculation. Enjoy the rest of the season, some great matchups this weekend.

 

[sevenofnine]

Upon scrolling through I thought this said "NFL Pricks and thoughts" to which I just nodded sagely and kept scrolling. The third or fourth time I went by, I realised it said picks

You know we actually see what we're thinking about or want to see.
The mind hates a vacum or to be disappointed our ego can't stand it.

 

[sevenofnine]

I seem to remember the Giants and Eli winning not one but two super bowls.

I'm not an Eli fan but you have to give him his due.
I would not feel uncomfortable if he was my qb or the Giants were my team, or I owned them for that matter.

If he is an elite or franchise qb or not I guess he is on the bubble or in the conversation,
But honestly what does the guy have to do, win another super bowl, well not this year any way.

I like his brother to by the way, either one would do.

For the super bowl,
Brady and the Pats they look like they could roll over or through any one.

Especially now the d is coming into form, Vince Wilfork and company look pretty good. They might be dam tough to beat.

 

[satinguy]

Winning The SuperBowl is no easy task. It is a team effort but it takes a very talented QB to win the big game. Much has been said about Elite Quarter Backs in the NFL, in my opinion outside of maybe Trent Dilfer winning the SuperBowl with Ravens, a SuperBowl winning QB should be considerred Elite. There are 32 teams and each team has at least 3 QBs for a total of 96 at the position and 32 starters or #1 QB's. Only 6 of the 32 starting QB's have a Superbowl ring.

Tom Brady -3

Ben Rothlisberger -2

Eli Manning -2

Peyton Manning -1

Drew Brees - 1

Aaron Rodgers -1

That is my list of Elite Quarter Backs, winning is Elite and passing for 400 yards a game is a great individual achievement but winning matters more. Back in the 1980's Dan Marino and Joe Montana were constantly referred to as Elite QB's. Marino never had the team that Montana had but still managed to set all kinds of passing records while Joe Montana casually went about his business and may not have had too many 400 yard passing games but does have 4 Superbowl rings and regarded by many as the best to play the position. Despite having amazing stats for his career, i doubt there many football fans that would take Marino ahead of Montana.

 

[Dgodus]

Montana retired with the highest passer rating ever.... Currently he sits 7th.

Personally Brady is making a serious challenge on his best ever status (unless he flops in the playoffs he can catch Montana's postseason yardage and td records)

No I gave all the credit in the world to the Giants, where they deserved it. Their defence.

Look at the two sb wins Eli has, 17-14 and 21-17; that's over the Pats too, how many teams hold the Pats to 14 and 17 pts???

A clutch qb (Eli is very clutch) can win you the game in the 4th if his team gives him the opportunity.

An elite qb flat out wins you games - Brady bringing the 06 Pats right to the AFC championship game when his best wideout was Reche Caldwell; or look at how better the Broncos are this year compared to last year.

Playing down to your competition is an excuse for a lack of focus.

I say I like the Redskins chances to make the playoffs because out of the three teams in the nfc east with a shot they have the easiest remaining 3 games and the Giants probably have the hardest, not too mention they're on a nice winning streak right now (it makes a difference).

Pats offense is putting up similar numbers to the 07 team, this year they're running the ball though, could help against a great pass rush which has been the bane of their existence.

 

[sevenofnine]

Yeah but it was a dam good game.

The Patriots are sometimes so fucking perfect, its boring to watch them.
The only question is are they going to score like forty or fifty points.
It was an entertaining game to watch.

And personally I think its good to loose once in awhile. It makes you humble. Keeps you humble. Makes you try harder.

And they were there four touchdowns four possessions to tie the game.
The d just couldn't stop what's his name, Kil........ the qb they let in a quick touchdown.

A very entertaining game I thought,