New World Order

[Shakerod]

Why is 911 even being debated? You had a group with the desire and know-how (Al-Qaeda) with a leader who admitted doing it (Bin Laden)? I guess having to dream up a scenario that would involve hundreds and perhaps thousands of equally evil people, with the ability to prevent all security leaks, makes some people feel like they are intelligent. Conspiracy theory believers all suffer the same problem. They need to feel like they are more intelligent than they actually are and therefore can't accept the obvious and need to find a ridiculous alternative so they can say, that unlike the majority of the world, they are too clever to be duped. For every major event that happens there is a group of morons out there dreaming up fictional scenarios. Fortunately the majority of people have more sense than these twits and the world continues to function despite them.

Because millions of innocent people have died (mostly muslims) as the direct result of an event that we have NOT had a proper investigation of.

We remember the holocaust of the Jewish people, and never want history to repeat itself. Yet we are seeing a repeat of history right in front of our bloody noses, and you want people to be silent. I care too much about my fellow human beings to keep my mouth shut.

 

[blazejowski]

Oh... my... god...

STOP FEEDING THIS FUCKING TROLL, YOU IDIOTS....

 

[zaig]

Because millions of innocent people have died (mostly muslims) as the direct result of an event that we have NOT had a proper investigation of.

We remember the holocaust of the Jewish people, and never want history to repeat itself. Yet we are seeing a repeat of history right in front of our bloody noses, and you want people to be silent. I care too much about my fellow human beings to keep my mouth shut.

shakys statement is a perfect example of conspiracy believers. I guess if they say the same thing often enough, and see it on the internet it becomes true.

First of all, I do commend shaky concern for fellow human beings if in fact that statement is true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, BUT, lets examine his statement.

1st paragraph...... MILLIONS of innocent people have died as a result of 9/11. Now I do not for an instance say lots of innoncent people have died since 9/11, BUT, MILLIONS, I hardly think so. Please shaky, where did you get your stats from. Where can I research to confirm your statement of MILLIONS.

2nd paragraph.......shaky, I agree that people have died in the aftermath of 9/11, but to compare those events to the Holocaust, is not only incorrect, but also grandstanding.
Where have people been systematically rounded up, put into slave labour camps, that also house gas chambers, and crematoriums. Where are the people wearing yellow stars, or at least a reasonable facsimilie of the star. Where because of religious beliefs people are being rounded up and exterminated. Do you have private knowledge of this?

I don't mean to downplay tragic events that are happening in the world because of 9/11, but to compare those events to the Holocaust is not only misleading but completely irresponsible. Of course, it is an Alex Jones method of gaining publicity.

Before you make such an assinine statement again, please consult proper history books.

But I do appreciate your concern for fellow humans.

 

[Shakerod]

shakys statement is a perfect example of conspiracy believers. I guess if they say the same thing often enough, and see it on the internet it becomes true.

First of all, I do commend shaky concern for fellow human beings if in fact that statement is true, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, BUT, lets examine his statement.

1st paragraph...... MILLIONS of innocent people have died as a result of 9/11. Now I do not for an instance say lots of innoncent people have died since 9/11, BUT, MILLIONS, I hardly think so. Please shaky, where did you get your stats from. Where can I research to confirm your statement of MILLIONS.

2nd paragraph.......shaky, I agree that people have died in the aftermath of 9/11, but to compare those events to the Holocaust, is not only incorrect, but also grandstanding.
Where have people been systematically rounded up, put into slave labour camps, that also house gas chambers, and crematoriums. Where are the people wearing yellow stars, or at least a reasonable facsimilie of the star. Where because of religious beliefs people are being rounded up and exterminated. Do you have private knowledge of this?

I don't mean to downplay tragic events that are happening in the world because of 9/11, but to compare those events to the Holocaust is not only misleading but completely irresponsible. Of course, it is an Alex Jones method of gaining publicity.

Before you make such an assinine statement again, please consult proper history books.

But I do appreciate your concern for fellow humans.

Since the U.S. media only counts American deaths, you will not get any information from that source, but if you go to papers outside of the U.S. it's probably well over one million just in Iraq alone, but you know what you are really saying is there has to be an enormous number for it to be called a holocaust, when the meaning of ' Holocaust' is: "Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale". I am sure the good people of Iraq and Afghanistan who have been bombed into submission ( for their own good, of course), would be happy to hear your interpretation of what they have been going through.

 

[henryhill]

Since the U.S. media only counts American deaths, you will not get any information from that source

The American Government only counts an American Soldiers death on their tally if they die in Iraq. If they are flown into one of the neighboring countries or flown back to America and they die outside Iraq, their death is not counted as dying in Iraq.

 

[zaig]

Since the U.S. media only counts American deaths, you will not get any information from that source, but if you go to papers outside of the U.S. it's probably well over one million just in Iraq alone, but you know what you are really saying is there has to be an enormous number for it to be called a holocaust, when the meaning of ' Holocaust' is: "Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale". I am sure the good people of Iraq and Afghanistan who have been bombed into submission ( for their own good, of course), would be happy to hear your interpretation of what they have been going through.

Your response is quite typical and to be expected. What has happened in Iraq is shameful. The US should not be there, it was only a Bush admisitration's attempt to deflect their ineptness from themselves. That said, to compare their situation with the holocause is shameful.

Where are your sources for the numbers? Where can I find them? Even your own statement you say quote"it's PROBABLY well over a million in Iraq alone", so again I ask where are your sources. Where did that number come from.

Again, not to minimize the atrocities that have gone on in Iraq and Afganistan
, but to compare them to the Holocaust during WWII is to actually denigrade the memories of the 6 Million Jews who perished, not to mention the Clergy, gypsies, gays, socialists etc.

Unless I have missed something on the news, I don't recall seeing people being rounded up en masse, having a yellow star attached to their clothing if they were Jewish, or another colour if they were gay, socialist etc pinned to their clothing, then sent to slave labour camps, complete with gas chambers and creamatoriums.

Again, I say, the plight of these people is very very sad and disconcerting to anyone with an ounce of moral fibre, but you just cannot compare the two situations.

I will say that even though I find most of your conspiracy postings quite silly, I will give you credit for your compassion towards others.

 

[spotted dick]

ABC News 1 million dead Iraqis
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/31/2151041.htm

To clarify a couple of things from your predictibly deceptive post.

1) The "ABC News" you've cited is not the American Broadcasting Corporation but rather the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and they're well known for their left leaning bias and editorializing.

2) Of the "1 million dead" you've claimed that number has been refuted by numerous sources including the United Nations. Its accepted in most circles that the actual number of Iraqis who have dies since the 2003 invasion of Iraq is closer to 150,000 and its only a fraction of that who have died as a result of American or foreign involvement. The vast majority were the result of tribal infighting and internal terrorism.

Your using of these sorts of quotes and "information" is disingenuous and what would be expected of an alarmist weasel who supports the like of Alex Jones.

 

[gpchillin]

Except that humanitarian and medical supplies were NEVER sanctioned your position makes no sense. There has never ever been any sanctions on any country or any government that included humanitarian and medical supplies.

The lack of those supplies and the deaths and sickness that followed was all done by the Iraqi's to themselves.

The U.S. and the U.N. even under the sanctions allowed the sale of Iraqi oil for humanitarian and medical supplies but Saddam refused to do so. Saddam and his government were so corrupt that they tried anything and everything to NOT get food and medicine for the masses.

 

[gpchillin]

The deaths were caused because Saddam and his government themselves cut off the humanitarian and medical supplies to their own people. They were never ever for 1 second sanctioned from getting that aid.

The U.N. would never cut off supplies of humanitarian and medical supplies to any country or government no matter how evil they were. Not in a million years would a resolution like that pass a vote as it goes against everything the U.N. is based on.

Yes there were a lot of Iraqi's dying and lots of suffering but it was Saddam and his cronies who were the ones who caused it. Like I said it was not the U.S. nor the U.N. that stopped the flow of humanitarian aid to the people it was all Saddam who stopped the flow.

 

[gpchillin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions

Quote from the wikipedia page you are linking

Banning financial resources "except payments exclusively for strictly medical or humanitarian purposes" and all trade except for the import of medicine and "in humanitarian circumstances" food, the Iraq sanctions were perhaps the toughest, most comprehensive sanctions in human history

So again they were never ever stopped from getting that aid by anyone not the U.S. or the U.N. the only people who stopped that aid from getting to the Iraqi people were Saddam and the Iraqi government themselves.

Like I said the U.N. would never ratify any sanction that included blocking such aid to anyone ever.

 

[zaig]

Get off your fucking high horse. I'm nowhere near as arrogant as you. Who the fuck are you to talk to everyone like your some psycho analyst and you know what's best for everyone.

ABC News 1 million dead Iraqis
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/31/2151041.htm

5 million orphans
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1478

Well I guess a leopard doesn't change its spots.

Obviously reading and comprehension are not your strong suits. If you check the statement by shaky, he said PROBABLY over 1 MILLION Iraqis have died since 9/11. What part of that statement did you not understand?

I simply requested his sources of which he does not have any except for internet chatter.

You then in your best silky persona site sources that are talking about 1990 etc.

No I am not arrogant, but I study history, and as I have mentioned before, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and viewpoints, BUT, that doesn't mean they are entitled to their own set of facts.

I was just wondering if there is a record for most bannings on PERB. If so, I think you may set a record that will stand the test of time.

By the way silky, please point out where I stated either directly or indirectly where I know what is best for ANYONE, of course the best thing for you would be to get some serious help.

Please pass the salt.

Oh, and I am so sorry I never got a chance to say good-bye to raggy, so I will beat the rush and say good-bye to annie before you get banned again.

 

[gpchillin]

You keep saying how all these Iraqi's died and I agree 100% a whole lot of people got sick and died but they died because they didn't have access to food, water, power, medicine and they didn't have access to those because the rich and powerful of Iraq chose to not give it to them. They didn't have access to those things even before the sanctions for a large portion of the population.

I would bet you a billion dollars that the rich and powerful ruling elite of Iraq never went a single day without power, water, food or medicine.

The poor always suffer hell just look at the poor in Canada and the U.S. they get sick and die on a daily basis all because the rich and powerful let them. We are one the most rich and advanced countries in the world but every day hundreds of people even thousands go hungry get sick and die from lack of power, water, food or medicine and that's in this country with no sanctions or war.

And your talking about a third world country under the control of a brutal dictator where the majority of the population went hungry and got sick and died on a daily basis even before the war.

Look at any African country and you will find a hell of a lot more people getting sick and dying every single day then ever did in Iraq. Again why are they dying why are they going hungry its because the rich and powerful don't give a shit about them. But find the ruling elite of any of those countries and they have all the power, food, water, medicine they need.


Since they were never sanctioned from getting humanitarian aid or medicine the fact that they never got it was because the ruling elite CHOSE not to get it.

 

[gpchillin]

Saddam may have hogged some resources, but the UN still witheld vital aid.

NOPE sorry

again

Banning financial resources "except payments exclusively for strictly medical or humanitarian purposes" and all trade except for the import of medicine and "in humanitarian circumstances" food, the Iraq sanctions were perhaps the toughest, most comprehensive sanctions in human history

The U.S. and the U.N. never withheld vital aid. The ruling Iraqi's withheld that aid from their own population. Food, medicine and humanitarian aid was never sanctioned which means that the fact that the average Iraqi went without it is because their government kept it from them.

The U.N. would never withhold vital aid from anyone for any reason under any circumstance so the blame cannot be placed on them.

 

[gpchillin]

That long letter I copied and pasted would contradict you.

That letter says that the Iraqi people were going without but they were going without because their own government denied them of those things not the U.N.

Do you honestly believe that the U.N. would deny humanitarian aid to those who need it ? That they would block the shipment of medicine and food to sick and starving women and children ?????

That goes against EVERYTHING the U.N. stands for

YET the same thing happens every day in many many many countries around the world the U.N. delivers humanitarian aid, food and medicine to countries but only the rich, powerful and ruling elite get it and it is THEM that denies this aid to the majority of the population.

The U.N. had the aid and Iraq was more then able to get it but those in the Iraqi government were the ones denying that very aid to their own people. You cannot blame the U.N. because they could not get the aid to those in need, The blame lands squarely at the feet of the Iraqi government.

I'll say it again since you missed it the first time I 100% agree with you that many people got sick and died and went hungry but it was not the sanctions from the U.N. as again the U.N. would NEVER EVER block the shipment of food and medicine to sick and dying women and children. It was the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein that did that.

The sanctions and embargo NEVER included humanitarian aid, food and medicine hell they were allowed under the U.N. resolution to trade their oil specifically for those things and they CHOSE not too which makes the Iraqi government 100% at fault for what happened.

Your position just doesn't hold up to scrutiny as the U.N. resolution that was voted on specifically stats that humanitarian aid, food and medicine are exempt from the resolution.

 

[bruins70]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...eDIiKqQOE7ZGZBg&q=un+sanctions+on+iraq&hl=en#

You don't believe it because you dont want to. If I told you the sun was going to rise at 7am tomorrow and it does, but you dont believe me, does that change the fact it rose at 7am? No it doesn't.

It ALSO doesn't change the fact that if all this tripe you're posting is slanted, erroneous, and just plain WRONG it is STILL slanted.erroneous, and just plain WRONG. The sword cuts both ways Trailer Park Boy.

Your <AHEM> "facts" (more like delusional ravings, but I digress) don't trump anyone else's just because you say they do.

 

[Shakerod]

Well I guess a leopard doesn't change its spots.

Obviously reading and comprehension are not your strong suits. If you check the statement by shaky, he said PROBABLY over 1 MILLION Iraqis have died since 9/11. What part of that statement did you not understand?

I simply requested his sources of which he does not have any except for internet chatter.

You then in your best silky persona site sources that are talking about 1990 etc.

No I am not arrogant, but I study history, and as I have mentioned before, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and viewpoints, BUT, that doesn't mean they are entitled to their own set of facts.

I was just wondering if there is a record for most bannings on PERB. If so, I think you may set a record that will stand the test of time.

By the way silky, please point out where I stated either directly or indirectly where I know what is best for ANYONE, of course the best thing for you would be to get some serious help.

Please pass the salt.

Oh, and I am so sorry I never got a chance to say good-bye to raggy, so I will beat the rush and say good-bye to annie before you get banned again.

Why bother going through that song and dance? I will send an article that says it's over 1 million civilians dead in Iraq, you will totally dismiss it, and send me an article that says it's only 50,000, or whatever. The point is: how many Muslims overall need to die before it is regarded as a holocaust, 2 million, 3 million, 4 millions just how many exactly?

 

[gpchillin]

The point is: how many Muslims overall need to die before it is regarded as a holocaust, 2 million, 3 million, 4 millions just how many exactly?

Well when the U.N. starts herding muslims into giant kill rooms and gassing and burning them to death by the thousands a day then you can start calling it a holocaust.

When the muslim population die because the muslim governments deny basic food and medicine to all but the rich and powerful in their countries it's those governments and those governments alone that bare the responsibility for the deaths of their own people.

What happened in Iraq happens every single day in almost every single African country the U.N. and other international aid organizations send TONS AND TONS of food and medicines to those countries but the rich and powerful of those countries take that aid and keep it for themselves leaving MILLIONS of Africans to die every year of sickness and starvation its the African governments that are doing this to their own people just like the government of Iraq did before being taken out of power.

 

[Purrr VertIcal]

Sing It With Me Now!

"Troll, troll, troll your boat,
gently down the stream-fishery,
merrily, merrily, merrily,

Life is but a Conspiracy..."​

 

[blazejowski]

You idiots are almost worse than Lightbearer/Silky/Whatever/Anubis....

 

[HankQuinlan]

Something else I find interesting about Silky is that (other than occasional cut-and-paste from websites), his arguments are always posting to some lengthy video. Does he ever actually READ anything? Has he ever actually read a book?

Personally, if I want actual information about any topic, a YouTube video is the last place I would even think of going. When you read, you have the option of scanning down and determining right away if it is drivel or not, or at least get the gist of what is being said. Watching videos means sitting there, tapping your fingers, waiting to see what the frack it is about.