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Hey brother,

Nice to see you sharing your amazingly perceptive insights again, on pooning in Latin America...

I certainly nominate this thread as possibly being the single most interesting I've ever read on PERB, and as far as I'm personally concerned, the most influential. I'm currently saving up for a trip, either to the Philippines or to Buenos Aires!:)

Looking forward to the next instalment of your report.
Hey tant,

Thanks again for the flattering compliments. Are you really considering BA? Is this solely because of what I've said about it or were you already thinking of heading there? It really is a great vacation spot with lots of outdoor cafes and restaurants - due to its mild to very warm climate. (It's north far enough that it doesn't usually snow there. In fact, in 2007 it snowed for the first time in 75 years!)

I have to go to work soon so I've no time to write anything now. What I will do is re-post a review of one of the best girls I've ever had anywhere. She's the main reason I'm thinking of returning to BA next year. Really I should try more of Asia but, being that I'm nearly 52 and so have not a lot of mongering vacations left in me, it's hard not to just go with what I know.

WARNING!

This is a long read, about a single girl, in a far away land and, NOT, sadly, here in Vancouver. It is also somewhat of a reality distortion tale. Meaning that, even further north in Rio, the kind of absolutely stellar service this girl gives is very much an exception - and in Buenos Aires it is even more so...

Romina: April 29th and 30th, May 2nd and 3rd, 2011

Short Version:

Romina is a somewhat tall, white, bleached blonde. There were a few other blondes in Madonna each night I visited but, for me, she really stood out. She has a way of walking that is sexy, of course, but in a kind of light, carefree way.

Overall looks: 8? 9? - She's FINE - if you ask me

Face: 8? 9? - She has a cute/pretty face with flawless skin and a great smile

Body: 8? 9? - There's not much to fault and plenty to adore - up top especially. (See Tetas) She does have a minor flaw, since birth, below her navel. Actually the flaw comes out of her navel as a, ummm, crease I guess you'd call it. Imagine pinching the flesh together just below her navel and you have the idea. It is a minor flaw that in NO WAY DETRACTS from her beauty. (It could be considered karma for her tetas - described below)

Tetas: 10? 100? 1000? Off the chart! They must be Ds or DDs and they're real but oh-so-firm. The nipples are, being about the size of a pencil eraser, perfect. The area around each - only about an inch and a bit. In other words: PERFECTION. Millions of women would kill for tits like hers.

Pussy: MUY BONITA! (VERY PRETTY!) For my fourth session with her it was freshly waxed!

Anus: Just a tiny little rosebud is all. No discoloration around it at all. Very lickable/likeable

Attitude in the bar: 10 - Perky, pleasant, and willing to please

Attitude in the room: 10 - She isn't lazy, that's for sure

Energy Level: Like I just said, she sure ain't lazy

Blowjob Skills: Tell her what you like and she won't disappoint. From my experience, I think if I'd have wanted her to lick and suck my cock and balls the whole time she would have - with (apparent) gusto. She happily let me cum on her chest the first time; on her face once. Two other times - during which, for one, she said I could CIM, I couldn't pop! (Update: another guy posted, two months after me, that she not only let him CIM but swallowed too. If true, well, what a thrill that must have been - being that she's so HOT!)

Sex: She's up for all positions and doesn't overact. Assuming she's acting and isn't actually enjoying the sex. With her it's hard to say. The only thing she wouldn't do was anal. Since I've never done that I didn't, uh, press the issue. I did have my index finger fully up her butt during the first session though

Damage: 640 pesos - and well worth every centavo

Long Version:

I walked into Madonna Night Club after a four year absence from it, and BA. A local guy that I keep in touch with updated me on the prices. They were confirmed by the first chica I called over: a tall hard bodied morena with the beautiful legs of a dancer - which she was.

70 pesos for the entrance - with one drink
110 pesos for a lady drink - required to take a girl upstairs
110 pesos for the room for an hour
400 pesos for the chica - or less/more depending on hers and your negotiating skills

When the pretty server came around, immediately, to ask if I wanted to buy the chica a drink I declined. I hadn't written her off but I'd just sat down and wanted to enjoy the view for a while. Those of you that have been there know what some of the chicas do - kneel on the bar stools with their elbows on the counter; their asses on full display. Ahhh.

I deliberately positioned myself by the women's washroom. It's to the right as you walk into the bar. From there I soon got a decent look at most of the girls. When Romina walked by my interest was really piqued. When she came out of the washroom I wasted no time in waving her over.

Pretending ignorance about the pricing I quickly, before the server came over, asked her about them. She confirmed what the dancer had told me - with the exception that Romina priced herself 50 pesos cheaper.

The server made her appearance and I told them both that I wanted to sit for a while before I decided on a girl. Each pleasantly excused themselves. Romina especially so.

Not a lot of time passed before I thought of a second excuse to chat her up without actually buying her a drink - yet. When she again pleasantly, perkily, plopped herself down next to me I asked for how long she'd sit with me for that 110 peso drink. Just then the server came along and said five minutes. Romina figured more like ten.

Geesh! That was disappointing. In years past though I'd had some girls down a drink in five minutes; others took over thirty - so I figured I'd just have to pay up and see. I let her go for the moment though - and another guy snagged her.

I should mention here, for those of you that haven't been to Madonna, that the girls nearly always significantly outnumber the guys. That night was no exception yet a competitor had chosen Romina.

She sat next to him for almost exactly ten minutes. They went upstairs and I asked the bar tender for how long she'd be gone. Half an hour was the reply and she was back in thirty-five minutes.

I grabbed her right away - asking whether, if I sat her for a drink, we could kiss. She replied, in her pleasantly perky way, that we could.

I've long favored sitting in the back corner of Madonna and that's where I pointed for her to go - with me following and enjoying the view.

I sat and motioned her onto my lap. To my delight she complied - and almost immediately started light and deep french kissing me.

Tearing my lips away from hers for a bit I indicated, with my leering eyes, her tetas and asked if they were natural. Yes she said but I was skeptical. She popped one, and then the other, out - and my eyes just about did the same.

Remember Teri Hatcher's final word to Gerry (Seinfeld) as she stormed out of his apartment?

"Oh and by the way: they're real and they're SPECTACULAR!"

Well those words in no way do justice to Romina's glorious globes. I mean, I'm a tall guy with long fingers, but I can just barely cup each of her tits in my hands - using their full length from the "heel," of the wrist to the finger tips - yet they stand out firm and proud. They look like bolt-ons but they're not!

I kissed and licked her beautiful nipples and then tore myself away for more mouth to mouth action - while cupping her tits in my hands.

Time warped.

I didn't care what that drink had cost me.

Too soon, but after at least ten minutes, the server came back. It was time to either buy another drink; take her upstairs; or throw her back. There was only one possible choice though.

Unlike in previous years I didn't pay at the bar. By this time, with this new arrangement, the bar had already made its money - with the entrada and the lady drink. All that remained was to slip 110 pesos through the reception wicket up in the love hotel - and pay Romina in the room.

I let Romina choose the room each time - rather than dither around looking for the best one available at that time. Immediately I ponied up the 350 pesos and she left me to clean my front and backside - while she put the money away and did the same.

With a full hour, or near enough, I took my time with her. I even told her to keep her titties in their bra for a while - loving the sexy look of them.

In the bar I thought she'd said the BJ would be covered. I'd agreed to that as long as she was willing to lick and suck the shaft and balls beforehand. That's what I'd thought we'd agreed on.

Well either we did and she changed it or I totally misunderstood because she went right to it without reaching for a rubber. Ahhh.

As I recall Romina's BJ was like others I've had until I took the initiative and started urging/suggesting things. Some girls, I'm sure, hold back from really going at it because they really don't want to; others do so because they're not positive about how far the guy wants them to go. (That's my theory and I'm sticking to it).

Romina only needed to be told that I like a good slathering and off she went - even venturing south enough that, at times, all I could see of her face was one beautiful eye.

It became apparent to me, during the four sessions I had with her, that she'd lick and suck me for as long as I wanted.

She's just that kind of girl.

On the other hand, I'm sure if I didn't want any sucking, only fucking, she'd fuck my brains out for the full hour.

She's just that kind of girl.

With Romina you get what you pay for, and then some, with ABSOLUTELY NO PRISSY ATTITUDE.

Does she enjoy it? Try her and judge for yourself.

I can tell you that, if she's only acting, she doesn't over or under do it. She does say "Mi amor," and "Rico," a lot but in a very pleasant, light way.

My favorite position is doggy and its variations: her flat on her tummy with my body fully grazing hers; and her flat on her tummy with me sitting upright thrusting, thrusting, thrusting - a pillow folded under her hips to properly raise her soft ass.

It was during the first session that we were positioned in a way that I could clearly see her face in the mirror. She was on her tummy and I was almost lying on top of her - supporting my weight mostly on one elbow while cradling her chin and neck in my other hand.

The vision of her face in the mirror will, I hope, stay with me forever. Her eyes were half shut, her breathing accented with apparent excitement and pleasure; her neck felt so delicate in my fingers; her ass so cool and soft against my abdomen.

It doesn't get any better than that fellas.

In subsequent visits the routine was much the same but still very satisfying: in the bar I'd sit her in my lap and pop those puppies out. Then it was always hard to decide what to look at more: her awesome sweet face or the lethal weapons that are her tits.

And lady drinks lasted 20 minutes with her - after that first night.

In the room she'd again give her full attention to my every desire. She always met my urgency with her own; my restfulness with hers; always in sync with me.

She moved into new positions eagerly - as soon as she worked out just what position I wanted.

Want to lay her across the bed, on her back, with her head hanging over the edge? Do it! She'll happily open her mouth to let you in.

Don't expect to violently face fuck her though. She'll craftily control the depth and speed of your strokes but, I assure you, you will enjoy the feeling and the view.

While you're at it dive into her sweet pussy with your mouth. Stretch, if you can, and swipe your tongue over her butt hole. She seems to like that!

Actually, with Romina, I started planting my face in her ass cheeks, while she's either standing or on her knees, to lick her ass and pussy. I love the feeling of those cool cheeks on my face. That just might be a new favorite position - with a girl I really really like of course.

And of course I wouldn't be licking her ass if she hadn't cleaned up beforehand.

She, for her part, more than once flicked her tongue around my butt hole. She never dug in though and that was fine with me.

During the second to last session she spit on my cock while sucking me - unprompted! I heartily encouraged more porn star type action but her mouth was too dry to really slop it up.

Speaking of cock: I tried teaching her how to say it. It's cute the way it sounds more like Coke. If you see her train her some more; tell her to open her mouth more while she pronounces the O. Either way you'll like what you hear - and watching her say it.

Yes Romina is a girl that gives a lot of other chicas a bad reputation - not because most of the others aren't a cut above what we're used to up here, but because she's just so spectacular.

Romina dives into her assignment - YOU - gives 100% - and isn't satisfied until you are.

She'd give a proud Carioca a run for her Reales.

If you see her please please please tell her how much John, the tall Canadian, misses her.

Take heed though: if you're on a tight budget save your visit till the last night of your trip - or not.

Really now, when you get home, which would you rather regret? Spending so much on a girl that doesn't easily leave your memory - or not?

CC

And a followup I did after a reader complimented my review:

Jackpot,

Thanks for the compliment. I'd be very surprised though, if it's the best report ever on AP. Some guys organize and structure their reports very well. Mine isn't.

Sometimes I think I should develop a template and then write my stream-of-consciousness style into it.

Anyway it's nice to get such praise to counterbalance the sometimes greater tendency for people to only criticize.


Here is more that I should have said before:

Romina is 22 years old and hasn't had a child yet."That's why my tetas are still firm," she told me in Spanish.

Her body, which I didn't describe enough, is very very good. She has the narrow waist and wider hips that a woman should have. And just the right amount of flesh. Pleasantly plush she is.

She's from Asuncion, Paraguay and has been working at Madonna, if I remember correctly, about six months.

She has no idea for how much longer she'll be there.

I did tell her about Cielo Private and how nice and upscale it is. She liked the earlier finishing hours but didn't like the idea of losing 50% to the house. It would have been great for me if she'd jumped at the chance to work there. I'd have paid just 380 pesos - the price for full sex with an uncovered blowjob - instead of near double that.

Oh and my last visit to Cielo, on my last day in BA, confirmed what Romina figured about the 50% loss. Nati (recommended with reservations) said that's what she loses to the house. That's steep!

Still, she seemed keen to check it out. Before you pay the entrance at Madonna ask if Romina is working that night. (She works Monday to Saturday). If they say she no longer works there check out Cielo - fingers crossed.

By the way I gathered that Madonna is no longer open during the weekdays. They open up at 22:30 now every night, Monday to Saturday.

If you want to be Romina's first of the night get there between 22:30 and 23:00 and tell the server that you want to see her as soon as she's changed. Of course if there are no other guys there so early, and there won't likely be, you could play it cool and just wait for her.

You needn't worry about being her second or third though so far as having a great session with her goes. She just doesn't seem like the kind of girl that ever slacks off after accepting a guy's hard earned cash.

What else is there to say. Am I forgetting anything?

Oh yeah.

She steadfastly refused any suggestion to come to my hotel either before or after work. She says she has a boyfriend but who knows? (I asked if he fucks her once or twice per day and she laugh and smiled and said "Si,")

I think she's a very bright girl that would rather do what she came down from Asuncion to do - make lots of cash - than sit around and be bored. I think she knows that guys are buying a fantasy, when they select a girl like her, and she aims to fulfill it as best she can - while staying within her very broad comfort zone.

I like to think she enjoyed some of the sex; some of the fucking in multiple positions. Her quiet and unsettled breathing and sighing certainly sold the fantasy well.

Some of you I'm sure would balk at paying so much for any girl. Those that have been to the best Termas of Rio though: Quatro por Quatro (4x4) , L'uomo, Monte Carlo, Solarium - know that, by the time you walk out the door, you'll have spent nearly $200 USD - granted after mingling in the bar for as long as you like, chatting freely with the girls, and taking one hottie to a cabina.

That was my experience back in 2007. I'm not a big drinker either. In fact I usually buy peach juice for myself and not a lot of drinks for the girls.

I'd arrive and check out the pickings for at least an hour or two; maybe eat a meal; zero in on my target (s) ; head for the cabina; afterward have a sauna and steam bath; and lastly chill in the bar a while longer. Hopefully I'd arrange a bed warmer for the night or, at the least, get some numbers.

In other words that money bought a lot of pleasure time besides the forty-five minutes of sexo.

Romina was costing me right around $160 CDN all in - meaning including the entrance to the bar, her lady drink, the room cost, and her fee. Since I was not free to chat her up in the bar, instead of hanging out for four or five hours there the visits tended to be about two hours. It was always hard to leave though.

In fact, because of her, I stayed longer in Buenos Aires itself than my fuzzy plan, uh, planned for. I finally talked myself into leaving with the pipe dream of finding her equals as I worked my way up to the pussy paradise that is Rio. So far, of course, I have not done so.

I'm in Florianopolis right now and have sessioned just once. It was last night, in a casa I found with the help of a cab driver. The cost was not bad at 140 reales for an hour. The place was clean and spacious. The girl an 18 year old named Nicole.

After the session, I entered her name as Nicole LTD in my notebook - in reference to her having muitas limitações. Ha ha ha. She explained that it's normal, in these parts, for any extras beyond a fully covered suck and fuck to cost more. Extra cash for uncovered blowjobs sure; but extra for the privilege of going down on them? for kissing?

I took a chance and licked and nibbled one nipple a bit. And I got away with it! Hurray!!!

I wonder if girls like this ever wonder why we go soft when faced with such up-selling?

Romina doesn't up-sell. I can't say for sure but, after several sessions with her, I think she'd have let me SLOWLY in the back door if I'd have, uh, pressed the issue - without requesting anything extra.

She doesn't refuse a tip though.

I think that about covers it.

CC

To those of you, here on the PERB, that read all the way to here, well, I hope you feel it was worth the read.


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Colombia; Buenos Aires, Argentina; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Differences - Of the Pay2Play Scene - (Continued)

  • It is, for sure, easier in each locale to find attractive, beautiful, and even absolutely stunning girls, than it is here in Vancouver - unless paying hundreds of dollars here. As well, those girls will be more understanding of a man's needs. What I mean is that you'll not be resented or made to feel guilty for liking/loving sex - as sometimes seems to happen here in North America. It's expected and accepted that you do. This is, in part, why some veteran travellers to South America, and other "Third World" destinations, refer to the U.S. and Canada as "Sex Prison," But this is a commonality between those countries. What's the difference as it relates to finding GFEs with beautiful Latinas?

    In a word... options. I would say Buenos Aires has far and away the most, followed by Rio de Janeiro, and then Colombia - or more specifically Bogotá and Medellin - the two largest cities in Colombia. (If you know any anything about Brazil then you probably know that São Paulo is Brazil's largest city - and the largest in South America. So doesn't it, you might ask, have the most options? Probably it does but as I've never been there I have left it out of this list).

    This is a tricky distinction though because, depending upon your chosen way of hunting, one place might have more of the options you like than another. In an earlier post I wrote: "All the usual options for Pay2Play sex are available: hookup cafes, working girl stocked bars, private apartments, medium to high end night clubs, street girls and - in beloved Rio - Termas." That's all true, but some locales do certain things better than others. For example:
    • In Colombia: There's a bar in what's probably considered the most dangerous and seediest part of Bogotá, Colombia's capital, that has (or at least had in January of 2008) high end girls that you could rent for as little as twenty minutes - at about a dollar per minute! I did so with a girl that came very close to perfection. (Perfection, for me, being someone like Monica Belluci as she looked in Malena (2000) or L'Appartement (1995)). The girl's only flaw was that her breasts were silicone - and she was a bit of a cold fish. For twenty bucks I didn't care. The sight of her sucking me and fucking in doggie made it money well spent. That particular bar, the name escapes me, was absolutely packed with men and actually had very few women. Probably no more than ten compared with one hundred? one hundred and fifty guys? That didn't matter though cause most seemed to be only looking - twenty dollars very likely being well over a days pay for most of them.

      Meanwhile, in Medellin, there is what's probably the best actual strip bar that I've seen south of San Jose, Costa Rica - which actually has a lot of decent ones. Its name I do remember: Fase Dos - which means Phase Two. It's a pretty large bar, maybe with a capacity equal to our beloved Cecil here in Vancouver (R.I.P.). In it, again in January of 2008, there were probably at least a dozen very doable ladies - with maybe half of them having fake titties. Plus they had actual strippers! That took all their clothing off! I never did find this place's equal in Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro. The first, of two times I was there, I took my time surveying the crop, until a fresh young darling walked into view. She could not have been more than eighteen and, in my eyes, was the finest girl there - and all natural. About seventy-five dollars, paid at the bar, got me an hour with her in the cabins, (actual cabin style rooms they were), next door. In looks, she was as close to perfect as I'm ever likely to find. Unfortunately she was too new to the business to a) know how to please a man, and b) accept that fully doing so was her job.
    • Another option, again in Medellin, that I think is better than in Buenos Aires and Rio, is what we'd call massage parlors. I have to admit though, because I was a bit ill while in that city, I only went to one or two - but I have read a lot about how a few of the other high end places operate. Those of you that have visited AMPs here in Vancouver will fully appreciate how they do it better down south.

      Energy or New Energy was the place myself and four or five other Norte Americanos visited early one afternoon. We were all seated on sofas in the main viewing salon and, shortly later, viewed the pussy parade. Gentlemen, it's a sight to behold! One at a time, a lovely Latina walked in, stopped in front of us, opened the white doctors smock that they all wear - to reveal, typically, a bra and panties or some other sexy garment - did a little twirl, said their name, and finished with a plaintive and polite "Con permiso," - which means, "With permission," (I will exit).

      Experienced witnesses to this sight for sore eyes have a pen and paper handy - cause they know there's no way in hell they're going to remember the name of every girl! If they're really savvy they'll have columns pre-written with details like skin color, hair color, bust size (A, B, C, D etc.), attitude. Having been shut out the previous night, when the one other guy I was with, at another much smaller place, took the girl I liked, I wasted no time in selecting Karen (KAren). We went to the room and, well, she was lovely to look at but a bit mechanical. Still, I didn't mind paying all of about $40 at the front desk upon leaving.
      So yeah... they do massage parlors pretty well down there.
    • The best option in Colombia, yet again in Medellin, for mongerers (pooners) that know little or no Spanish and/or are traveling alone, is to stay at the Medellin Mansion (Now called Hotele Casa Blanca). It is probably the closest most of us will come to staying at a Playboy Mansion type place. What makes it special is that it's the sort of place a man would not check into with his girlfriend/wife. That and the fact that, now that it has been around for a few years, many lovely local girls (many of them actual college students) have discovered that they can discreetly earn a lot of cash just doing what comes naturally! What they do for free for their cheap ass boyfriends. Yes... Last I read about $75 is the going rate for one of these girls to go to your room for an hour or two - three if you're lucky. You could pay more, and the girl would happily accept, but about that much is, so far as I know, the going rate.

      Note that the girls don't work for the hotel. Nor does the hotel charge them for offering themselves there. They get by on renting out the rooms - rooms that you're meant to, and will want to, stay in night after night. No they don't employ the girls. You do! So remember... you're the boss... you're the King!

      The hotel does now, apparently, have a feature that it lacked in 2008. Namely... a kind of catalog of pussy. This is great because, even though on any given afternoon a few girls are likely to drop in unannounced, they might not be to your liking - or might be snapped up quickly if they're real standouts. So you open the book and browse and order in! Don't speak Spanish? No worries mate! One of the lovely female staff will be happy to call for you.

      "No worries mate!" reminds me... one of the founding partners of this dream hotel is Aussie Greg. (Another is an American named Boyd(?) and a Colombian called Roberto). Not only do they operate the main mansion (Casa 1) but, up a rather steep hill, is Casa 2, El Castillo (The Castle). I've never seen it but I believe the rooms are a bit less pricey up there - but you don't have the convenience of a pool. Actually maybe you do. I don't know.

      Just two blocks from Casa 1 is a very nice open air mall - with a great food court in which you can order a steak meal for, if memory serves, about $7. Before the mall there's a Dominos Pizza joint. In the local neighborhood, Poblado, are newer hotels and restaurants - the business district having moved out of Centro in recent years.

      Even if you're not staying at either Casa you are, I believe, welcome to check it out. You might even be welcome to sit by the pool and strike up a deal with a chica - once or twice - and take her out. Not on Sundays though. No. Sundays are a special day when Greg tries to do something... well... special. When I was there in 2008 I lucked out in getting a room for two nights during the Superbowl weekend. I'd dropped in without a reservation; toured the place; gave Greg my hotel contact details; a reservation got cancelled and got a call next morning saying "Come on over!"

      As such, that Sunday, I got to partake in the party. Oh and I'm pleased to say I'm the one that suggested the way to make it special. (Greg was running out of new ideas). My solution? Have the girls wear body paint! (And nothing else). Yes I've said it once and I'll say it again... "I so smart!"

      Here's a video of some event they held at the mansion I-don't-know-when. Oddly, one comment under the video says "Putas feas ome," ("Prostitutes ugly ome"). Is it me? Do I need glasses?


      Apart from the options I've mentioned above there are of course other "low rent," ones. Lower priced parlors and hole-in-the-wall strip clubs. I'd go to them because I speak passable traveler's Spanish - and I brave! Do and are you?

      I almost forgot! Hang around the pool during the early part of the day ears open. On any given day someone or some group might be doing a tour of the better parlors; at night, the better clubs.

      Lastly, for now, if you go to Medellin hit Discoteca Mangos. Unless they've renovated, it's more a western themed bar/restaurant than it is a disco where the customers dance. It's HUGE.

      What makes it special is the professional dancers - both female and male. (You can watch the men). They won't take their sexy hot outfits off but they will still thrill. They're professionals - with the looks and moves to fill the place. Get there at about 10 PM, pay the cover, and get a table with a good view of the main stage. At about 10:30 the dancers will drop from the ceiling and dance their hot asses off for, I think, about forty-five minutes. After that they and other dancers will cycle around the bar, dancing on the various stages - some of them being actual drink bars. Leave there after a couple of hours and hit Fase Dos for some Pay2Play action.

      Are any of the dancers available for takeout? I've no idea. I imagine that it's not unheard of but I didn't try to entice the hottie I was fixated on. Maybe I should have but, oddly, I don't regret not trying.

      Here's a video that in no way shows how huge the place is - or nice:


      That covers the highlights of Colombia. At least the ones I saw. I did venture west from Medellin to Pereira - where I passed two of the three weeks. There are far less options there but there's one bar that I pulled bed warmers out of on many a night - for about $75 or $100 toda la noche. (All the night). Maybe I'll write about it later. I think it's called Las Flores - which means The Flowers.

      A final video, commissioned by Colombia's tourism department (I think), shows why maybe you should visit. Notice how the little girl says that the country has "Many many good people," How many tourism promotion videos have a line like that in them? The fact is that most Colombians, and there are more than forty million, are decent hard working people with far far less material wealth than you or I. They are a people struggling with a bad rep most had no part in causing. It is this fact that might explain why, on a continent where the locals are generally very nice to foreigners, Colombians seem to have turned the niceness up to 11. (Get the This Is Spinal Tap reference?) They must really really really appreciate it when an obvious foreigner visits their homeland.


      By the way don't worry about being too hot if you visit Bogotá or Medellin. The former is at about three thousand meters and gets cold at night. The latter is at about two thousand and, as such, is known as "The City of Perpetual Spring," It's also known as "The City of Open Arms" or, unofficially and jokingly (by the locals) as "The City of Open Legs," Ja ja ja.

      Do worry about being too hot if you venture north to the Caribbean coastal city Cartagena. I've never been there but I know it's a UNESCO World Heritage site. I believe it's the oldest settlement on the continent; that it's the main port the Spanish funneled the gold they stole, from the Incas, through on its way to Spain. Consequently it's a walled city - with new neighborhoods built around the old walls.

Next up I'll talk about Buenos Aires's options; its strengths and weaknesses.

Chica Chaser

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Thanks for writing CC.
Amazing info.
Thanks for taking the time to thank me Hoops. I've no idea how many are reading this. It's nice to know whether I'm typing for my own amusement.

I noticed that, sorting by all time views, (of unpinned posts), this long long thread is now third - soon to be second. What I can't know is how many of those that click on it read more than a little of the first page; how many read it all?

Anyway more is to come. For now though here's a teaser for one of Buenos Aires best Pay2Play resources - namely Escorts. This one, Galea is her name, (on the site shown at least), is pretty close to perfection. Of course the photos are retouched but you can tell she's got beauty genes galour. I don't know her price but I can tell you that, back in 2006 during my first visit, a girl I called that was about $70, looked about as fine as this one - though her looks were more on the cute side. Plus her looks pretty much matched the photos.

I'm guessing this one is $75 to $150 (tops) for an hour or two in your apartment or hotel - "Mas taxi por favor,"

Remember too that, down there, the local men, who are the main clientes (by far) have the putas well trained. Meaning most would not dare to try to put a bag on your cock before they tried sucking the life out of it - that includes lookers like this. If they did you'd casually remove it from her fingers and set it aside.

Also, I am told, most locals would not go down on these girls - so if you do, well, some respond very well to that kind of attention and get really motivated to please you.

http://belgranotop.net/?page_id=311

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Differences - Of the Pay2Play Scene - (Continued)

  • Before I talk about Buenos Aires's options; its strengths and weaknesses, (when it comes to Pay2Play action), I want to go into a little detail about the city itself, its history and size etc.

    I well remember my first thoughts as we descended down toward EZE airport - or perhaps it was while riding a shuttle into Centro - either way the thought that erupted strongly in my mind was "What the fuck is this HUGE city doing way down in southern South America?!?! I'd done a lot of reading about the Pay2Play scene, and I'd booked a room in a boutique hotel, but I hadn't bothered Googling the city for images or videos. So I was truly stunned to see what I saw - and couldn't help feeling unusually ignorant and humbled. We up here in Norte America are pretty enamored with ourselves I guess - to be so miopic. Even when we look outside our continent we tend to look east across the pond to the UK and Europe, and west to Asia. Or at least I know I used to. Not any more though. Mostly my day dreams center around making a new life in one of these three Latin countries.

    "How did this city get here?" I wondered.

    Well it turns out it's a pretty old port city - and, I believe, the largest on the continent. Settled at a latitude that gives it hot summers and mild winters, at the mouth of a large river, it attracted many European immigrants over the decades and, yes, centuries. Becoming a or the major port serving the continent, many of its citizens prospered. Argentina itself became famous for the quality of its beef (steak) and also for its leathers - as well as many other products I'm sure. Money poured in.

    One hundred and fifty or two hundred years ago, before Canada became Canada, so prosperous was the city that an architect (or architects) was (were) commissioned to design buildings and lay out streets that would give the city a real European feel. Consequently lots of such buildings sprang up and, eventually, it became known as "The Paris of South America,"

    I don't know just how well its people prospered prior to the 1990s. Was their currency strong enough to afford them international travel? I've no idea. I do know that, for about ten years prior to 2003, the President or Treasurer of the country pinned the value of the Peso to that of the U.S. dollar - One for One. During that time, for certain, those that wanted to do so traveled the world. Then things went for shit. The pin snapped and, well, you've probably heard of Argentina's Economic Collapse. I believe 2003 was the year, and December the month, (just in time for Feliz Navidad), when the shit really hit the fan.

    Imagine waking up one day, probably on a Saturday or Sunday when the banks are closed, when news breaks that your beloved currency is falling falling falling. You'd go to the bank asap yes? Try to withdraw all your savings and change it up for something, anything, that would hold some value - like maybe U.S. dollars?

    Probably millions did just that - but were denied access to their accounts. I heard that even those that had their savings in Citibank and other foreign banks were shut out. (Though you can be sure that most of the Elite of Argentina dumped their Pesos well before the calamity). Imagine being able to exchange one Peso for one dollar one day, and getting only a quarter or a third of that not long after.

    In 2006 one Canadian dollar bought about three Pesos. Today, December 21 2011, it buys over four! That's good for us. It's not so good for Argentinians.

    The following one hour video explains a lot more than I have - and probably corrects errors I've made. It will, I believe, assert that it was largely the IMF that brought about the crisis. Apparently a favorite trick of that fine, fine institution, working on behalf of whoever controls the world's central banks and largest financial institutions, is to offer loans to countries - always with resources coveted by certain well connected corporations - loans that it, and the bought-and-paid-for politicians that accept the loans, know are too huge to ever be repaid. Loans made not from money saved but money newly created - with a few keystrokes! Then, when the inevitable happens and the country defaults on its payments, agents of these Elite businessmen step in and say something like, "Look. We both know that you can't pay back our loans but no problemo. You have resources galore within your borders. Let certain corporations, that we'll list, come in and take those resources and we'll forgive the loans - eventually."

    That, I do believe, is what has really been done, time and time again, around the world... but I digress. Watch the video if you like...


    A much shorter video that's more to the point - regarding just what Buenos Aires is like - is this three minute and forty-seven second one...


    By the way, regardless of the reason for the collapse, whether deliberate or accidental, the end result was that wages are piss poor there. A taxi driver, after he pays expenses, will make about $2 per hour net. Working in a store selling clothing probably pays no more than $10 or $15 per day - paid out as a monthly salary though. These figures might be off some but rest assured that the situation is bleak for the vast majority of Argentinians. So great is their distrust of their currency now, or at least in 2006, that when apartments, houses, businesses are sold they're priced in U.S. dollars and paid in cash on the table!

    Now... about Buenos Aires's options; it's strengths and weaknesses - and their relatively low prices - that we can thank the crisis for...
    • In Buenos Aires, which by the way means Good Winds, there are many quite affordable Pay2Play options. Affordable for those of us holding dollars or euros or yen or Swiss francs that is. (Brazilian reales too!). There are all the options listed earlier in this thread except, to my hopefully out of date knowledge, proper strip clubs. Proper Latin American strip clubs I should say. The type where, if you buy a private dance from a peeler you don't have to sit on your hands. Let them roam practically anywhere - and sometimes even there! You could do that in many of the clubs in San Jose, Costa Rica, (in 2005). That's one of a few things that that very unexceptional city has going for it.

      The closest I ever came to finding such a place in Buenos Aires is Madonna Night Club. (Map Link). Earlier in this thread I posted a review I wrote, on another forum, about the lovely Romina - so I won't repeat pricing details already mentioned then. What I will say is that that club is almost the perfect club. Arrive at 11 PM or so and there should be ten to twenty chicas filing in from their change room. You might very well be the only guy, but for staffers, in the place! The girls, while many of them are pretty or even beautiful, don't seem to be cold and stuck up like some of the stunners in the very pricey clubs. Which raises a point worth repeating - sex at Madonna Night Club, even with a hot hot chica, can cost as little as 500 or 600 Pesos. That's about $125 to $150 and includes the club's entrance fee and room rental.

      The rooms upstairs, which you go out the front door and then in another to get to - since they're actually in a "love motel," that's separate from the club - all have a big jacuzzi with a shower head, mirrored walls, and a queen sized bed. They've seen better days but they're certainly not bad for an hour.

      Yes. For me Madonna Night Club is just about the perfect place in Buenos Aires. If only they hired actual strippers to dance on the stage that the girls are free to use - if they wish. Latinas love to dance so many do use it but, in all the hours I passed there, none dropped their clothes.

      Wait a minute! I just remembered that, in 2007, they did hire a girl to dance - clothes on - that tore up that stage. That girl, Gloria, was born to dance! She moved in unconventional, seemingly random ways that were muy muy sexy! I spent a long time watching her - before another chica helped persuade her to sit for a few lady drinks with me. She did that but she wouldn't go upstairs with me. Damn!

      Madonna Night Club, by the way, is not in Recoleta but very near it.

      Recoleta, near Centro, is the place to go for a great selection of bars, restaurants, and high end Pay2Play night clubs. I won't talk about restaurants. You can find your own favorites. Bars too I'll ignore - except Newport. Newport's a freelancer bar that some guys like to fish in. I've always found it so loud, and the talent so thin, I gave it a miss entirely - and that's all I have to say about it.

      That leaves the high end Pay2Play options. If things are as they were in 2006 and 2007 there are about a half dozen high end joints in the area. I know. I know. I was just there in April of this year but only twice and I didn't explore the area to update my mental map of the place. Almost certainly the highest of the high end clubs - Black Night Club - is still there - directly across the street from what's undoubtedly Buenos Aires' priciest hotel. Madaho's is still there. I went there a few times in trips past but ignored it this time. The club I went to twice this past trip is/was Hippopotamus. (No link). Yes Hippopotamus - but you won't see any in there. It's a club that is, I believe, on par with Madaho's Pay2Play price wise. That's assuming neither of them have girls that are trying to demand Black's sucker prices.

      All the girls, in Black's, Madaho's, and Hippopotamus and all the clubs like them, are freelancers and don't answer to the club once they're off premises. This is an important difference between these clubs and Madonna Night Club. At Madonna's the girl's behavior toward the customers, whether in the bar or upstairs, will, in the customer's eyes, reflect either badly or well for the club itself. So in theory the girls are more likely to provide a satisfying experience. In my experience, most of the ten or fifteen girls I've had there were fun both downstairs and up.

      What will you pay for the privilege of getting naked with the princesses that hunt in Recoleta? (Yes. They're hunting us even as we're hunting them. The difference is that we're looking for beautiful sex craving nymphos whereas they're looking for suckers that'll pay their asking price).

      At Black's I'm guessing the girls will try for what'll convert to about $300. At most of the other clubs $200. With good negotiating skills you might get the $200 chicas for $150. $100 if you're very very good - or the girl is for some reason desperate. Note that these quotes could be quite out of whack with current reality since I didn't even try to take a girl out of Hippopotamus. I went solely to enjoy watching the hard bodied dancers that work on the tables near the entrance. The two times I went there there were always four girls to frustrate the hell out of me. Actually come to think of it I did slip one of them a note with what I thought was a generous offer. Probably it was something like $250. (Yes the little head was in charge at that time). Minutes later she handed it back with, I think, what worked out to over $1000 written on it. These prices are all short time. Remember that!

      Remember too that, generally speaking, a higher price in no way guarantees better than average performance. More likely the opposite! Most of the girls that work those clubs are sharks. Being sharks they'll eat you alive if you let them. Pay their asking price and you might as well have SUCKER tattooed across your forehead - in its Spanish equivalent. Ja ja ja.

      To illustrate my point let me tell you about cute, sweet Sol. She was a cute-as-a-button petite blonde Paraguayan that I did actually manage to knock down in price. I think she wanted 400 Pesos, which at the time in 2007 was about $133, and I got her for 300 Pesos. Well, we got to my hotel and showered. Then she got on the bed, laid back - and closed her eyes!?!? "Abre tus ojos," I said. "No!" "Abre tus ojos!" "No!" "Por que no?" "No quiero," (I don't want to). Sigh! She laid there like she was sun tanning or something. I went down on her beautiful pussy hoping to rev her up but, well, it didn't. Did I get her to suck me? That's the only way I could have gotten hard under the circumstances. I honestly don't remember. Too bad just the mere sight of a hot body won't do it for me anymore. If it would have I'd have positioned her on her hands and knees and drilled her for all I was worth - for spite! (She was very much like a live mannequin so probably she'd have let me position her however I liked).

      No. Paying a higher than market price is a no no. Unless you have an iron will though, you will sometimes forget this fact - after you've tried disproving it enough to learn the truth of it. Sometimes the little head just won't be ignored.

      That pretty much covers the clubs of Recoleta. Sure I only provided a few names but it doesn't matter. Whatever the name is on the front door, they're all pretty similar. Go there to enjoy the music and the dancers but be prepared to leave empty handed. Maybe low ball a few that you like and, who knows, one of them might seek you out when the night's ending - which will be around 4 or 5 AM.

      Yes they're open that late. Remember that most clubs don't begin to fill until about midnight. This is probably because the busiest time to dine is from about 9 until 11 PM or so. So if you're not a night owl these clubs aren't for you.
    • Panning the map from Recoleta to the east end of Centro there are three bars that, taken together, are known as part of the Suipacha Triangle. This is because they're on Suipacha street and kind of form a triangle - with two on one side of the street and one on the other.

      These clubs - Cattos, Hook, and Ness, are low key joints. Quiet bars that, if they have a dance floor for entertainment, it's very small. The girls here, too, are freelancers - but much more reasonable in their pricing. Of course that means that supermodel type beauties are rare there - and would be snapped up pretty quick if they walked in - but you can still find attractive options. I really didn't frequent the triangle though so I can't speak with authority as to what market value is there. Seventy-five to $100 tops I should think - priced in Pesos of course. (Never negotiate in dollars! It'll mark you as the noob tourist you are). For that price you'll enjoy at least an hour with your lady. Maybe two. She might even sleep over rather than head home in the wee hours.

      There are other bar options in Centro but those three, so far as I know, are the main ones. Certainly there are many "strip clubs," Hell they might even put on actual strip shows! I don't know since, once I found Madonna Night Club, that became my main hunting ground - massage places excepted.

      A warning about the "strip clubs," of Centro... As you walk around the tourist type streets you'll be enticed, by touts handing out provocative little leaflets for various clubs, to venture inside, and check out the ladies. Know that, unless it's close to midnight, most places will be empty. That won't matter to the tout though. His or her job is to get you in the door. That's all. Once that's accomplished it's the job of the staff to entice you to stay. That's fine though. If you get drawn into the bigger places, in my experience, no one will be push, or pull you, (literally), to try to get you to stay. That's in the bigger places I said. Remember that.

      Remember also that there are tiny places; hole-in-the-wall type places that will try very hard to get you to sit at a table. I can't name them, because I don't remember their names, but you'll know them by their eager, insistent ways. I learned the hard way what they're on about. What happened was that a very attractive girl, probably not quite 20, drew me in and, little head taking over as it does sometimes, managed to get me to sit down. Then she sat next to me, trapping me in the booth. Then drinks were brought - for me and her. Outrageously priced drinks that I did not order. I tried to push my way out but they insisted I pay up first. I persisted and got up. A big galute blocked my way. "Is he bluffing or would he really rough me up?" I wondered. I gambled that he was bluffing and edged past him. Then, before leaving, I turned to the girl and, in my best Spanish, said to her something close to, "Look. You're a very pretty girl. You seem like a nice girl. You're too good for this place!" Then I walked out and told a police officer, who at that time were on every corner it seemed, what had happened. We didn't pursue the matter though.

      You've been warned.
    • Before I get to massage places and escort services there is one daytime option in Centro that I should mention. There used to be two but when the owner of one died his son sold the place to go traveling - or so I heard. It was a 24 hour cafe called Excedra - and freelancers frequented it at all hours. The one remaining place is another cafe, very close to Galeria Pacifico mall and Florida Street - a pedestrian mall packed full of yummy colas (asses) walking this way and that. Its name is Cafe Orleans and it's strictly for daytime action. By about 6 PM it's done. I've sat in there a few times and, for my high standards, it's always been a waste of time. Mostly pretty plain women will continually make eye contact with you - holding out hope, well, forever, that you'll make them come with your finger - over to your table that is. They won't approach without a signal from you. Harassing the customers gets them banned. Occasionally a hottie will walk in but, unless you're really on the ball, a veteran of the place will snap her up before you can get her attention. Go check it out though. It's worth a look and you might have better luck, or lower standards, than I.

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Differences - Of the Pay2Play Scene - (Continued)

  • By now you are probably thinking that the Pay2Play scene in Buenos Aires is quite large. Soon you'll realize it's actually huge. If given to wondering why, you need only know two things. The first I've already mentioned - that being the financial hardship Argentina's Economic Crisis is putting its common people through. The second is that the city itself is huge. According to the CIA World Factbook nearly thirteen million people reside there - in a country of not quite forty-two million.

    I've heard, though I've no idea whether it's true or not, that in the Autonomous City (formerly called La Capital Federal - where Centro and Recoleta are located), itself with a population of just under three million, there are over forty thousand taxis. That's good news for visiting mongerers for whom time is limited.

    So within a city so large it should come as no surprise that there are a great many ways to buy sex - massage parlors and call-girls being the most abundant. For now I will talk a bit about the first option.
    • At massage parlors in Buenos Aires, just like here in Vancouver, not a lot of guys get actual massages. In fact down there the most common term used to describe a place where a few girls try their best, we hope, to please their customers, is Departamentos Privados. (Private Apartments). Just like Richmond's AMPs here in the Lower Rainland, the vast majority are in apartment buildings - with a small percentage being in office buildings. Here in Richmond I'll bet nearly every condo tower has at least one AMP in it - and perhaps the same can be said of downtown Vancouver. Is that the case in Buenos Aires? I don't know. Zoom in on this satellite image of the Autonomous City and you'll see that there are a lot of apartment buildings - so probably not. Rest assured though that there are far far more than you'll ever have the time or money to find and visit.

      AMPs or Departamento Privados aren't at all my preferred method of finding sweet sweet pussy. Even in the few choice places I know of in Medellin (already mentioned) and Buenos Aires, (yet to be mentioned), places that actually know how to run such a business, the whole process happens too fast. Within five minutes of making your selection you're naked and maybe even having sex! I like to have a chance to chat with a few prospects to get a feel (not usually literally) for what they're like. Are they hardened pros or amateurs - or somewhere in between. Do they work full-time or part-time? Etc.

      The perfect place for me is where I can chat freely with the girls and take my sweet time deciding which one(s), if any, will get some of my hard earned dinero. A place where the price is fixed so I don't have to bargain with them - a mood killer if there ever was one. Such places do exist, in Rio de Janeiro, (they're called Termas), but in Buenos Aires the closest thing I've found to them is... did you guess it? Madonna Night Club.

      Madonna Night Club no longer opens at 4 PM though so I do actually go to Departamento Privados at least several times each trip. Actually it's quite exciting to seek out the dirt cheap ones with the hope of finding a diamond in the rough. Usually though, it's a high end one that I go to - it and sometimes a few others that forum research suggests have fairly attractive and reliable girls.

      The high end place is called Cielo Private (Private Heaven) and it's at 1072 Larrea. The first time I visited Buenos Aires I went there right after checking into my hotel. What a nice way to start a mongering vacation!

      "How High End, price-wise, is it?" you might ask. Slightly less than $100 for an hour. There'll be a slight variance in price depending upon whether you opt, for about an extra $10, for "bucal sin globito". (Oral sex without a condom).

      Click the tiny thumbnail for the left hand video on this page. Shown is one of their three large rooms and it's the one I am nearly always taken to - though looking at the photos of the other two I'm reminded that they're very fancy as well. Nice eh?

      Before you're taken to a room though you, of course, have to choose a girl. Before you do that you'll be put in one of two or three nicely furnished waiting rooms - thoughtfully equipped with usually well worn men's magazines. (Maybe they don't want to risk you forgetting why you're there? The pussy parade can take five or ten minutes to assemble sometimes).

      While you wait you'll likely be offered a complimentary alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverage. You'll also be sure to get your pen and paper ready right? In my experience it's rare that you won't need it - though on a couple of visits the pickings were unusually ordinary.

      When the girls start strutting into your midst they'll each be there all too briefly; just long enough to say hello and their name - but at least they'll be within arms reach of you - and in good lighting! Then they'll turn tail and strut out to allow the next girl her turn. Whenever possible, in anticipation of this visual feast, position yourself where you can see out the door and down the hallway. (This is only possible if you're in the end waiting room - not the side one(s)). Believe me you'll appreciate the extra time you'll get to check out the girls' ASSets.

      When the parade is finished and you're asked which lovely lady you'd like, don't be shy in asking to view again those that made your shortlist. They, or maybe all of the girls, will then be brought back together to stand in a line.

      You then make your hopefully hard choice and that girl will go to make sure the room is ready. While she's doing that you'll pay the person in charge - which might be Ugo, if he's still there, or a woman.

      Note that sometimes they'll have a standout that knows she's a standout and she'll command a bit higher price. That was the case in 2006 and I selected Micaella, at least three times in eighteen days. To be a standout they have to been young and beautiful. (I'll bet the other girls hate them).

      I don't have much more to say about Departamentos Privados. Some guys really like them and so, as you do actual forum research in preparation for a trip, you'll read about other, cheaper options. I will mention one other that I frequented mostly during my first trip... Santa Fe 1707, Apartamento 3 is near to Cielo Private and was then, as it should still be now, less than half the price. I went there several times in 2006 and it was about $35 or $40 for an hour. The quality of the girls is more hit and miss than Cielo Private but back then 29 year old Pamela had the looks and body to rival hot girls more than five years younger. Of course, being that it's a cheap option, (though there are many more that are even cheaper), the place itself is decidedly low rent. Due to this I think the thing to do is use part of the savings to pay whatever the round trip taxi fare is to get to your apartamento or hotel and back. Normally, at least at properly managed places, there's no extra fee for taking the girl out - and the hour starts when she arrives at your place. This is an option I didn't really use during previous trips but will probably in the future.

That's it for now but before I hit the sack I'll just say that I just called Galea and learned that her price, for one hour, is 400 Pesos - so a little less than $100 CDN. If she's working when next I go south you know I'll be ordering some of that!

I also called the very pretty, and very kinky, Jazmin. She charges 300 Pesos for an hour - completo. (Completo means that if you want her ass it's included).

Both Galea and Jazmin sounded nice and very patient as I struggled to remember what Spanish I know - and not to mix it up too much with the Portuguese I know as well. That's such a refreshing situation when compared with the call takers that usually answer calls here in Vancouver.

But I'm getting ahead of things. They are escorts and I haven't talked about that scene yet - though really there's not a lot to say.

Chica Chaser

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please say it isn't so... that local goon in the medellin costume party vid is actually wearing a michael jackson glove? :fear:

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I was just playing around with Google Street View for Buenos Aires. I checked to see whether the street that Cielo Private is on is done - or any street for that matter.

Actually Street View for Buenos Aires isn't as developed as it is for North American cities. Drag the little orange guy into the map area and what you get are lots and lots of little blue dots all over the city. Open this Santa Fe 1707, Apartamento 3 link again and drag the little guy to the dot that'll appear just left of the A marker. You'll be presented with a collection of about a dozen photos showing the buildings in the area. (There's a tiny button to click, at the upper right, to go Full Screen).

As you'll see, some buildings are quite old and have a lot of character and style.

Note that Cielo Private is about seven blocks to the left - just off Santa Fe on Larrea.

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Love the stories and additional insights with your travels Chica.

Great writing style, informative and well-detailed.

Those ladies you posted just recently...300-400 pesos for those gorgeous & stunning ladies. WOW - speechless and lucky you!
 

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Love the stories and additional insights with your travels Chica.

Great writing style, informative and well-detailed.

Those ladies you posted just recently...300-400 pesos for those gorgeous & stunning ladies. WOW - speechless and lucky you!
Thanks for the thanks google_123.

I have to admit that I've only called an escort once - while there on my first visit. On the website she was a very cute hottie and actually looked just as good in person.

Next time I'm there I'm going to call more of them over.

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Reading about the conditions in Latin America makes me sad. If only you could bring these girls back to Canada for a few months.
 

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Reading about the conditions in Latin America makes me sad. If only you could bring these girls back to Canada for a few months.
Sad because we don't enjoy the same low prices - but still quite often GFEs - up here? I'm not sure what you mean.

When you read the forums about South America there are always warnings about bringing a chica to North America to live. Within a year or so their very pleasant, womanly and sexy Latina ways change. They become Gringafied. Gringos/Gringas being what Latin Americans, or at least Mexicans, call Americans. We Canadians are lumped into the same category too though.

Buenos Aires and Copacabana/Ipanema in Rio de Janeiro are great places to visit even if not mongering. For those of us that do though, well, every guy should experience them at least once - with the warning that doing so is almost guaranteed to make pooning up here even more frustrating/unsatisfying.

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I meant to bring them here to live for a set amount of time knowing they will be going back but have a chance to experience a life they would otherwise never experience. Maybe even offer her a finders fee to find the next hottie to send up.
 

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I meant to bring them here to live for a set amount of time knowing they will be going back but have a chance to experience a life they would otherwise never experience. Maybe even offer her a finders fee to find the next hottie to send up.
Oh I see.

If you're suggesting they'd get a taste of "the good life," if they visited here, well, I've traveled enough to wonder about the validity of that sentiment. Certainly here in Canada we've a lot going for us. Ours is generally a cleaner country - even in comparison to much of the U.S. And of course they don't call this Super Natural British Columbia for nothing.

I've often wondered though, whether we're actually happier up here. My time in Hong Kong was only three days; in China (but just across the border), one month. Not long enough to really get a good impression of the level of contentment/happiness there.

I've over a year's worth of traveling in Mexico however. (From '88 through '92). In Costa Rica, Buenos Aires, Cuba, Colombia, Rio de Janeiro.. something like seven months total across all countries. From what I've observed, even in Cuba, Latin Americans in general seem quite happy. They certainly laugh and smile and dance a lot; they know how to party!

Being "Third World" countries, 95% or more of the people are poor compared with us. Five percent or less are rich by their standards - and a lot even by our own. In such a situation family becomes very important - both for the economics of shared expenses, and enjoyment. Certainly some Latinas think that the grass is really greener up here but more than a few have told me that they couldn't leave their family.

Remember too that, even the poor, enjoy the tropical climate and fresh air. They don't have enough money to pig out on junk food either - so you see girls you know come from poor families (such as the favelas (slums) of Rio de Janeiro) - yet they have perfect teeth and beautiful skin.

To me it was a sad thing when I met a young Mexican in southern Mexico that was convinced he'd be happy if only he could get to the U.S. He'd bought into The American Dream and didn't appreciate the very lovely city that he lived in.

Speaking of The American Dream check out the late George Carlin's take on it. Perhaps no one else has summed up the current and sad situation we're all facing than he does here - in just three minutes and fifteen seconds.

WARNING: This is off topic and enlightening.


On that note I'll end this post.

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Which is why i think it would be an ideal vacation for them. I wouldn't mind playing tour guide at all, my concern was that they might not want to leave after but if infact the family roots and bonds are so strong it would work perfectly no? Might even appeal more to the girls there with university education? Better chances of english anyhow but that would also be a great way to learn their langauge.
 

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Does anyone have information on Vietnam?
If anyone does, please start a separate thread for it. (Put a link to the thread in this one if you want.)

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You`re right about Thailand being cheaper than both Hong Kong and China - or at least Chang Ping - and about English being more widely spoken. I`ve never been there but I have read up on it. I guess about $30USD is all it takes to have a pretty girl stay with you around the clock.

I`ve also read though that it`s not as easy to find a real beauty there, nor in the Philippines either - where prices are similar. Those of you that have been to all three places can say whether that`s true or not.

It is easier, M told me, to find a girl that will fuck the shit out of you though. That`s worth something.
Overnight or "around the clock" times with Thai girls is not something i have much experience with. They call this, especially the former, "long time"
[LT] whereas "short time" [ST] would be an hour or maybe two, though i`m sure many girls get guys to finish up everything in less than half of that.

Pricewise, like Canada, and i`d guess other places like Brazil, it depends as they vary substantially. For example in Canada i`ve had girls on the lowtrack
say they`ll blow me for as little as $10. In Bangkok ST with a street walker [SW] in the prime farang [foreigner] monger areas is often 500 BAHT [$17]
to 1000 BAHT, but go to Chinatown and elsewhere in the Thai capital and it is in many cases much less. Visit a gogo, though, and you may be looking
at a firm 2000 BAHT ST plus a barfine of around 600 BAHT.

In Pattaya, though, it is commonly reported that SW`s in the touristy area of the Beach Road can be had for 500 BAHT. But in the less populated
poorer towns or the countryside guys have spoken of paying a fraction of that for certain ladies.

Re LT sessions they would fall in the range of 1.5 to 2 times the cost of a ST and are often considered to be deserving of 2 shots, the second being in
the morning upon rising.

This is all rather generalized, though, as Thailand is a country where just about anything can be bartered, sometimes SP`s will go with a guy for free,
or for days for just food & drinks, and so forth. A lot may depend on the chemistry and the particulars re the guy and girl as to the price. Many times
when asked for the rate the lady will say "up to you". Some SP`s will quote far above common costs in hopes the guy is a newbie or thinking only with
the little head or just doesn`t care that it`s several times as much as it should be, since the rates are so low anyway. This annoys a lot of hobbyists
who post online, as they are concerned this will spoil the girls and the market.

Re "real beauty", i guess it depends on how you define it and what a guy is looking for. To me some of those white skinned busty spinner pretties
at the Hong Kong 141 site are perfect 10`s or close to it, though i don`t know how they`ld actually look in person or how easy it is to find such in the
city. In Thailand i`d guess it is probably more difficult to find a white skinned stunner, and even a busty one, but other than that there seems to be
no lack of hotties available as courtesans that would rival the beauty of those on Hong Kong 141. BTW I base this mostly on what i`ve seen in gogo
magazines and SWs on the street. My experience in Thai gogos, MP`s, soapies and oilies is quite limited, though many guys rave about them as being
far superior to my beloved SWs ; Of course hordes also drool over the Latinas ass and tits as compared to those of the usually tinier Thai girls.

To "fucking the shit out of you" i might have to check out Hong Kong sometime and compare with Thailand. Reputation wise, though, it seems that
the crazy wild Latinas have the Asians beat by a mile in that department. I`m fairly sure that i`d enjoy that, but due to various personal considerations
& at my age, something close to a sleepy starfish rag doll is actually my practical ideal. These are easy to find in Siam.

The following thread - with a debate contrasting mongering in German FKK`S and Thailand - has some pics of a few TG`s i found attractive [posts 17 & 22]:

"best places in vancouver to view a decent lineup, if any?"
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ancouver-to-view-a-decent-lineup-if-any/page2
 

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Hey CC,

Just wanted to say thank you for putting together such a comprehensive thread! Gives me a little food for thought when I start planning next year's holiday getaway...

[...]As luck would have it none of the taller girls that appealed to me looked keen to be taken out.

Is it that I'm white? Tall (187 cms; 6'2")? Don't speak Mandarin? Or too old? (Fifty but slim with a fully head of mostly blond hair).

I'd really like to know.[...]
Let me know if you ever figure out what it is that intimidates girls in these places that you mention. Was this unique to the KTVs? To Hong Kong? Everywhere you went? I'm not a small guy either (6'3", 205lbs), so I can very well imagine the reaction if I stroll in with a shaved head and a bunch of tattoos. Could you tell whether girls were predisposed in one fashion or another to younger guys? Older guys? No difference?

Again, thanks for an interesting read. Happy New Years!
 

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Hey CC,

Just wanted to say thank you for putting together such a comprehensive thread! Gives me a little food for thought when I start planning next year's holiday getaway...

Let me know if you ever figure out what it is that intimidates girls in these places that you mention. Was this unique to the KTVs? To Hong Kong? Everywhere you went? I'm not a small guy either (6'3", 205lbs), so I can very well imagine the reaction if I stroll in with a shaved head and a bunch of tattoos. Could you tell whether girls were predisposed in one fashion or another to younger guys? Older guys? No difference?

Again, thanks for an interesting read. Happy New Years!
You're welcome. I'm glad that it might help you decide where to go.

I might never know the answer to why so many (a half dozen hotties) of the KTV girls used various methods to avoid me. I can tell you that a friend was recently in China on business and tried to have some fun too. He was totally shut out. Mind you, he didn't venture to Changping or even Changan. He was mainly in Bejing and Shenzhen. He's a 42 year old white guy, balding, average height. He went to some KTVs in Shenzhen and, if I recall correctly, wasn't allowed in. He asked taxi drivers and got no help; showed an enticing leaflet to a street vendor and was loudly berated, in Mandarin, by the guy - with everyone in the area hearing the tirade. He even had a "More than $160," (Our code for rating girls... "Is she worth $160 for 45 minutes?") in his hotel, on his bed, giving him a massage but "No sex,"

My best guess is that, in KTVs at least, it's a combination of a few factors:

  • It is obvious, as you walk a Flower Street, that most of the girls are right around twenty years old, so maybe most of them are quite sexually inexperienced and so quite happy to earn 200 RMB ($30) for simply eating, playing dice games, and singing Karaoke (if they want), for an evening - then being released. It might be that that's what most Asian clients pick them for. Chinese culture, I believe, still puts a premium on virginity so maybe most want to hold onto theirs.
  • Maybe, as an American Expat living in China suggested is the case, they're shown American Porn as part of their training for when they do have to go to bed with a client. As such they believe that all of us ("White Devils,") want to fuck them in the ass and cum in their mouths,"
  • As the reference to White Devils above suggests, they're racist toward us. I've read that about the Japanese, (and Koreans,) and there's probably some truth to it.

There might, of course, be other factors I haven't thought of but those are a good start.

As to whether they care if the guy is young or old, well, I didn't closely scrutinize the guys walking the KTV Flower Street but I'd say their average age is less than fifty. Maybe even less than forty.

In Hong Kong I had just two girls so, well, that's not a big sampling. Neither seemed put off by my appearance though. Keep in mind too that many of the most beautiful girls on the sex141 site are over from mainland China - as was the case with the two I chose. I suppose, being that they're working in Hong Kong, it's not unusual for them to receive white guys - so they were already used to our type when I met them.

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