MH370 - What We Do Know a Year Later

[sybian]

Do I have to start lining my cowboy hat with tin foil ?

 

[phreak]

Even allowing the Maldives claims might be true, it still doesn't mean an international criminal cover up. In fact this article says the Maldives authorities were contacted:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-plead-investigators-visit-share-story.html

"The Maldvies National Defence Force released a statement in March last year which denied that there had been any aircrafts in the area at the time of the disappearance, which locals have branded as an attempt to hide the limitations of their radar facilities."

As cover ups go, this is way more believable than some deliberate multinational covert hijacking. So if you want to entertain conjecture, there are still numerous more mundane explanations. The international consortium could've been misdirected by CYA incompetence of the Maldives military not some crazy inexplicable James Bond plan to steal a plane and its passengers.

And the article does indicate locals were consulted by the media. Whether it was just in print and not on TV is really of little consequence.

But conspiracy theorist mentality can work both ways. For example, I could say "how can it be that so many people say they saw it but with cell phones etc. today no video evidence?" (We're not talking fishermen and mud huts here. They interviewed a local "IT professional".)

This avenue of thought is pointless. It's evidence only that we don't know everything, not that there's a cover up. Not knowing everything is the normal human condition. People have an overconfidence in the media's accuracy and the government's ability to execute an evil plot flawlessly. Considering how incompetent the government is at most things it astonishes me that people can expect them to suddenly be so perfect when it comes to pulling off something fiendishly complex. It boggles the mind.

This is a very good article, and surprisingly a fresh one (April 4, 2015), considering that the event took place more than a year ago. So, what do we have here?

"Villagers from the community of 3500 claim that many on the island saw the passenger plane, and were interviewed by police and testified with signed statements to what they witnessed."

"Data from one of the IMOS (Integrated Marine Observing System) recorders showed a clear acoustic signal at a time that was reasonably consistent with other information relating to the disappearance of MH370,' Dr Duncan said in a statement released by Curtin University."

Jesus Fucking Christ! How the fuck THAT could have been disregarded altogether in favour of some vague 'unconventional' calculations? This is not fundamental science, for fuck's sake, this is a fucking murder investigation! Do you realize that?

Just imagine you are a detective investigating a murder. Several unrelated witnesses approached you on their own and were willing to provide written signed statements to what had happened. If what they say is true, it will likely allow you to easily recover victims or their remains, other essential material evidence, and finalize the case. On the other hand, you have some guys, absolutely unrelated to the crime or crime scene, who haven't witnessed anything, but claiming they can calculate the precise location of the victims based on some unproven method and incomplete data, which has NEVER been used before. So you just send the witnesses home and put their signed testimonies in a recycle bin, and then spend tens of millions of dollars chasing some ghost, which location changes all the time, for the whole year. Makes sense? NO FUCKING WAY! Looks like crime/corruption/conspiracy? Actually, yes, with pretty much no other options left...

P.S. The fact that the plane was not detected by the Maldives military radar can be easily explained: the plane was flying very low likely in order to avoid the radar detection.

 

[clu]

I'll say it one last time: You won't accept there could be more mundane explanations for "what we know" (more like what we don't know). You ascribe it to a flawlessly executed international conspiracy with no motive for stealing a conspicuous plane and its passengers when such a theoretical mastermind could've come by a plane and 200 bodies more discretely and cheaply. And still these people with limitless power and resources couldn't fake a find? You presume every action and choice is deliberate rather than the result of incompetence. You presume the plane would be found when evidence in the past says it can take years despite our technology. And how would no one (e.g. the Russians) have the technology to poke holes in this with their own surveillance? All these things require an irrational leap of logic.

Sometimes I think people leap to conspiracy theories because the truth is even more scary: we can't know everything, no one does, and that will never change. Maybe it's comforting to think someone is in control because then random things don't happen and you can fix it by exposing those in control.

Maybe it'll turn up in a few years like that French plane. In the meantime I've spent as much time on this as I'd like. (And yeah I didn't reply to all your points because I know how these conversations go. Every counterpoint yields two more and the whole conversation becomes a novel.)

 

[Chef99]

Someone is off their meds again....

 

[phreak]

Someone is off their meds again....

It's really getting routine: if I bring up any controversial topic or voice an opinion which may not be mainstream, comments like that follow. You forgot to mention trolling though...

Cheff99, if you are a complacent laid back individual, and certain topics / opinions may not be of any interest to you, it doesn't mean other individuals not sharing your approach are 'off their meds again'. Seriously, get some class...

 

[grusse]

I read 2-3 months ago, someone in the aviation industry believes the plane had enough fuel to land in Kazakhstan(?)

but,again, the question is, WHY? I wish I could be more specific re this article,at the time I just skimmed it.I can't recall what he thought about the 200 plus passengers
in the plane,eg. what happened to them?

 

[phreak]

I'll say it one last time: You won't accept there could be more mundane explanations for "what we know" (more like what we don't know). You ascribe it to a flawlessly executed international conspiracy with no motive for stealing a conspicuous plane and its passengers when such a theoretical mastermind could've come by a plane and 200 bodies more discretely and cheaply. And still these people with limitless power and resources couldn't fake a find? You presume every action and choice is deliberate rather than the result of incompetence. You presume the plane would be found when evidence in the past says it can take years despite our technology. And how would no one (e.g. the Russians) have the technology to poke holes in this with their own surveillance? All these things require an irrational leap of logic.

Sometimes I think people leap to conspiracy theories because the truth is even more scary: we can't know everything, no one does, and that will never change. Maybe it's comforting to think someone is in control because then random things don't happen and you can fix it by exposing those in control.

Maybe it'll turn up in a few years like that French plane. In the meantime I've spent as much time on this as I'd like. (And yeah I didn't reply to all your points because I know how these conversations go. Every counterpoint yields two more and the whole conversation becomes a novel.)

You are absolutely right from philosophical standpoint. But in this particular case we are talking about routine investigation procedures which are supposed to be followed and for some strange reasons were not followed.

Everything related to air disasters is always taken seriously. Investigations are very thorough no matter how expensive they could be, and no tiny possibility is disregarded. This case is different, and 'incompetence' explanation does not really explain anything. There is simply no room for incompetence when it comes to this kind of investigations. Even searching for the plane next to Australia in no way could have prevented searching for it around the Maldives. But it was not even considered. This is anything but typical.

Any public statements after Inmarsat 'handshakes' theory was made public rejected outright any other theory contradicting the 'handshakes'. I clearly remember when the company mentioned earlier in this discussion claimed it detected the object on the ocean floor around the Maldives resembling the shape of the missing Boeing. The official reaction was: it's a valid theory, but considering that the location is not in line with 'handshakes', it is obviously not the missing plane. That's not how air disaster investigations are done. It is clear now that the 'handshake' theory could have never been considered as reliable in the first place, and could not have been used to dismiss other possibilities. If it was still done - it was done for a good reason.

 

[uncleg]

 

[phreak]

And thus you have provided the most reasonable explanation as to why your conjectures of a conspiracy are wrong.

I don't know in what world the people conducting a criminal investigation release all the details of the information that they are gathering to the general public as the investigation is underway. I have never seen this in the world that I live in.

The issue is not that all the details of the criminal investigation have not been released to the general public, but that the authorities simply refuse to conduct the proper investigation (e.g. interviewing witnesses, recovering victim's remains). Instead they have been deliberately trying to mislead the public for more than a year wasting 100 million of taxpayers dollars in the process.

 

[Chef99]

I apologize that I've taken a couple of non-constructive verbal stabs at you. The root of my problem (and it is clearly mine) is that you seem to make wild ass statements as if they were simple well know facts where in fact, you and pretty much all of us, have no idea what all the facts are. You've stated the satellite pings are basically voodoo magic as if you're an expert in satellite communications, I highly doubt that you are. You say that the criminal investigation is not being properly conducted because some theories are not being investigated further. I hate to break it to you but it's not the job of the people conducting the investigation to give you (or any of us) all the information so that we can personally decide if an avenue of investigation is worthwhile to pursue or not. Bottom line, Phreak, the issue really is that all the details of the investigation have not been made public and thus you have very few real facts on which to make your statement that a proper investigation is not being conducted. Your arguments have more holes in them than swiss cheese. End of story. Is the whole thing weird? for sure. Does it seem strange that in this day and age with all the technology that a plane could be lost? absolutely. Is it interesting to offer up another theory on what might have happened? perhaps. Does any of this mean that a proper investigation is not being conducted? no fricking way. If you feel compelled to keep at it, that's fine, I will withhold further non-constructive comments. Cheers.

 

[sybian]

Badger !!....Are you saying that you and Scooby, saw all that through the windshield of the Mystery Wagon ?

 

[phreak]

https://vimeo.com/125624434

For unclear reasons Australian authorities are willing to spend many more millions of dollars to ensure MH370 will never be found:

'Andre Milne, who reportedly works in military aviation technology, has been trying to crowdsource £1.3m to pay for his own investigation, claiming that the Boeing 777 has come to rest in the waters between Malaysia and India.

In a video appeal for funding, he says a wreckage currently lying in the Bay of Bengal needs to be investigated to rule out whether or not it is flight MH370.
He points to witnesses in the Maldives who claimed to have seen a Boeing 777 flying south past the islands before circling back over the lower Bay of Bengal on the night MH370 disappeared in March 2014. He has written to Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott to put forward his hypothesis.

But the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has said that any theories suggesting the aircraft was located to the north or significantly west of Sumatra "were not supported by known facts or careful analysis".

The bureau stopped short of cautioning against public donations to Milne, but told News Corp Australia that "the aircraft cannot be in Kazakhstan, Diego Garcia, the Maldives or indeed the Bay of Bengal".

ATSB Commissioner Martin Dolan said last week that the satellite handshakes leading searchers to the southern Indian Ocean were the most "solid piece of information" they had.'

http://www.theweek.co.uk/57641/flight-mh370-what-might-happen-if-the-plane-is-found

Claiming that the satellite handshakes is the most 'solid piece of information' is a clear indication of a cover up. There is nothing 'solid' about the vague theory based on incomplete data compare to eyewitnesses' accounts. The authorities likely know exactly where the plane is: once we figure their motives for the crime cover up, everything will fall into place.

 

[tinacharles]

One strange thing is that nobody knows any of the passangers. Do you guys know someone from there? It must be a huge fake and a top secret info, we won't figure out what really happened in at least 50 years.

 

[Fullhouse]

OMG, I'm amazed that yu'all are still dickering over what happened to flight MH370.

Me - being well educated and highly intelligent, follow world news in much more depth that any of you folks do, who seem to be more interested in who got f*cked by who, who is available to get f*cked, and for how much, ----- than gathering some knowledge of what is actually happening in the world.

I've studied a broad, ..............or 2 or 3, and I religiously read escapefromstress's news reports each and every morning.

Having full knowledge of what happened to MH370, I'll share some facts with you.

The leader of North Korea, Kim Jong UN, had the plane hijacked, and ordered the hijackers to land it on a specially designed North Korea aircraft carrier that could handle the landing of that huge Boeing 777....All the passengers were forced to go for a long walk on a short plank in shark infested waters. The same day they painted the Boeing in the colours of the North Korean Air Force with military insignias, and then flew it from the carrier to an air force base just outside of Pyongyang, where it was put into a huge hangar.

The next few month were spent to completely rip out the interior, and re-design and build 12 very luxurious suites, utilizing the passenger area as well as the cavernous freight section. All of these 2 level suites equaled any 5 star hotel suites one could imagine, and would serve Kim Jong UN as a flying whore house.

After many inspections and changes to the design by Kim Jong UN, he finally approved all the suites in late April of this year. All that was left to do was to now stock those suites with the sexiest, most gorgeous women in the land. Women that would obey orders for sexual fantasies without hesitation.

So, he called his Defense Chief, General Hyon Yong Chol, and told him to find about 25 of the most beautiful women enlisted in the army, and to re-assign them to the flying whore house.

Well, General Chol was slightly less than enthused about the request from Kim Jong.....Kim Jong left the room, and within minutes General Chol was arrested.
Two days later he was executed in public at a military school with an anti-aircraft gun. Kim Jong wanted to save the expense of a funeral, and an anti-aircraft gun would ensure that there was nothing left of a body to bury..... (And the moral of that is --- don't fuck with a guy that wants to get fucked.)

So, in the 2 weeks since that execution, the jet is now fully stocked with lovelies ladies, and Kim Jon is anxiously awaiting the maiden flight with all those maidens.

They even painted the tail of the jet with Kim Jong's personal avatar --------- a very small rooster------------- signifying a very small cock.

So there you go, now you all know 'The rest of the story'....and you can stop arguing about what happened to MH370.

 

[phreak]

OMG, I'm amazed that yu'all are still dickering over what happened to flight MH370.

Me - being well educated and highly intelligent, follow world news in much more depth that any of you folks do, who seem to be more interested in who got f*cked by who, who is available to get f*cked, and for how much, ----- than gathering some knowledge of what is actually happening in the world.

I've studied a broad, ..............or 2 or 3, and I religiously read escapefromstress's news reports each and every morning.

Having full knowledge of what happened to MH370, I'll share some facts with you.

The leader of North Korea, Kim Jong UN, had the plane hijacked, and ordered the hijackers to land it on a specially designed North Korea aircraft carrier that could handle the landing of that huge Boeing 777....All the passengers were forced to go for a long walk on a short plank in shark infested waters. The same day they painted the Boeing in the colours of the North Korean Air Force with military insignias, and then flew it from the carrier to an air force base just outside of Pyongyang, where it was put into a huge hangar.

The next few month were spent to completely rip out the interior, and re-design and build 12 very luxurious suites, utilizing the passenger area as well as the cavernous freight section. All of these 2 level suites equaled any 5 star hotel suites one could imagine, and would serve Kim Jong UN as a flying whore house.

After many inspections and changes to the design by Kim Jong UN, he finally approved all the suites in late April of this year. All that was left to do was to now stock those suites with the sexiest, most gorgeous women in the land. Women that would obey orders for sexual fantasies without hesitation.

So, he called his Defense Chief, General Hyon Yong Chol, and told him to find about 25 of the most beautiful women enlisted in the army, and to re-assign them to the flying whore house.

Well, General Chol was slightly less than enthused about the request from Kim Jong.....Kim Jong left the room, and within minutes General Chol was arrested.
Two days later he was executed in public at a military school with an anti-aircraft gun. Kim Jong wanted to save the expense of a funeral, and an anti-aircraft gun would ensure that there was nothing left of a body to bury..... (And the moral of that is --- don't fuck with a guy that wants to get fucked.)

So, in the 2 weeks since that execution, the jet is now fully stocked with lovelies ladies, and Kim Jon is anxiously awaiting the maiden flight with all those maidens.

They even painted the tail of the jet with Kim Jong's personal avatar --------- a very small rooster------------- signifying a very small cock.

So there you go, now you all know 'The rest of the story'....and you can stop arguing about what happened to MH370.

I don't think that making idiotic fun of this tragedy is a smart thing to do...

 

[uncleg]

I don't think that making idiotic fun of this tragedy is a smart thing to do...

...and making it into an idiotic is...????????

 

[Fullhouse]

I don't think that making idiotic fun of this tragedy is a smart thing to do...

Well, it's no more idiotic than all the crap you've been posting throughout this thread...... As a matter of fact, it's all your laughable 'facts' that were instrumental in motivating me to write my sarcastic post.

But, phreak, at least I can claim that there is one actual fact mentioned in my post --- which is more than I can say about your 'fantasies'---- and that is that Kim Jong UN's Defense Chief. Generak Hyon Yong Chol, on Kim Jong's order, was executed at the end of April by a anti-aircraft gun in public at a military school.

BTW, phreak, I'm always struggling with the proper pronunciation of your handle ------ and all I ever come up with is 'freak' --- . And now, after reading your posts, I think I may be bang on..

 

[phreak]

Well, it's no more idiotic than all the crap you've been posting throughout this thread...... As a matter of fact, it's all your laughable 'facts' that were instrumental in motivating me to write my sarcastic post.

But, phreak, at least I can claim that there is one actual fact mentioned in my post --- which is more than I can say about your 'fantasies'---- and that is that Kim Jong UN's Defense Chief. Generak Hyon Yong Chol, on Kim Jong's order, was executed at the end of April by a anti-aircraft gun in public at a military school.

BTW, phreak, I'm always struggling with the proper pronunciation of your handle ------ and all I ever come up with is 'freak' --- . And now, after reading your posts, I think I may be bang on..

There is nothing 'idiotic' in the 'crap' I've been posting: the doubts in the official 'handshake' theory are absolutely reasonable, and my previous post has provided more info on that. It's actually exactly the other way around: only 'idiots' can believe in a bizarre tabloid-like unproven theory about some vague 'handshake' calculations as a 'solid' proof. Governments likely have sinister motives to 'trust' this theory and waste money, but this is not an excuse for you not to use your brain.

On the other hand, there is nothing 'idiotic' in trusting written testimonies provided to the police by multiple witnesses. And if you trust the official theory just because it is 'official', there is no hope for you.

 

[morementum]

It's been more than a year since it happened, but the mystery is still unsolved. Or is it? Of course we don't know what happened exactly, but we definitely know much more than a year ago. So what do we know for sure?

- MH370 never crashed into the ocean, otherwise some debris would have been already washed ashore somewhere. Remember lots of debris from Japan showing up on BC coastline within months after the earthquake? Same is true about huge wide-body jets: no debris within a year ANYWHERE - no crash. (http://time.com/3826131/mh370-malaysia-airlines-missing-jet-stop-search/), (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/16/mh370-search-may-be-in-the-wrong-place-again.html)

- MH370 has never been flown to the Southern Indian ocean - the area of the year long search. The credible evidence that it was flown over the Maldives existed a year ago, but was quickly dismissed with no reasonable explanations provided. Local residents saw a big passenger plane with white body and red stripes of Malaysia Airlines flying unusually low on the day MH370 went missing. Obviously the plane landed somewhere not far from that area due to fuel limitations. Strangely that evidence was ignored completely and mass media didn't even bother with any independent investigation. (http://www.maldives.com/destination...-flight-mh370-sighted-flying-low-maldives/542).

- Instead a new extremely unreliable evidence suddenly appeared - Inmarsat 'handshakes'. These calculations have never been seriously questioned or independently verified, but deemed credible and convincing enough to spend tens of millions of taxpayers dollars (and keep doing so) to search for the plane in the knowingly wrong area. But that 'evidence' was very handy to make sure nothing would be found. (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-a...umed-flight-path-says-marine-surveyor-1497043)

So why would a few governments deliberately waste millions of dollars? The only explanation is that they are directly involved in the crime (kidnapping and possibly premeditated murder of 239 people), and covering it up is needed at any cost. Whoever committed that crime, precisely calculated everything except witnesses in the Maldives and no debris washed ashore within a year. And no media outlet bothered with independent investigation though the case is so high profile. Why is that? It's not too late though to follow the true leads, solve the crime and possibly rescue some of the passengers if they are still alive.

 

[Larry Storch]

Is there a delete button for this thread, or is it going to keep getting bumped every 20 days or so?