Liberals won - Christy Clark didn't.

vancity_cowboy

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I'm sorry but the former Defacto Premier paid bribes to secure the Liberal Party leadership by way of creating Ministerial Secretary positions with large Salaries and appointing the Senior Liberal Caucus Members who held their noses and gave Ms. Clark their support.

This is the biggest problem I have. When an elected premier resigns during term it is the Governing Party that solely decides the New Premier, not the Electorate. That is fundamentally wrong and must be changed so that it is solely the Electorate who has the right to decide.
the electorate never decides the premier

the electorate only ever decides the member of the legislative assembly for their individual riding

the party always decides who will be the premier

if the designated premier is not an mla, then they must win a by-election in one of the ridings before they can sit in the legislative assembly
 

shagadelic

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The Electorate always decides the Premier by way of how it votes in Electoral Ridings UNLESS a sitting Premier resigns or dies in Office, then it is solely the Governing Party who elects a new Leader for their Party thus making said new Party Leader the Defacto Premier as none of the Electorate cast their vote for this Party with this new Leader at the Helm.
 

vancity_cowboy

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The Electorate always decides the Premier by way of how it votes in Electoral Ridings UNLESS a sitting Premier resigns or dies in Office, then it is solely the Governing Party who elects a new Leader for their Party thus making said new Party Leader the Defacto Premier as none of the Electorate cast their vote for this Party with this new Leader at the Helm.
you lost me on this one... whatever :confused:
 

bcneil

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you lost me on this one... whatever :confused:
I will try to break it down :D

Shaggy understands how elections work, and how oddball situations like this are handled.
The problem is, this particular time, it isn't a candidate he favours.
So the laws must be changed at once.
 

shagadelic

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you lost me on this one... whatever :confused:
If the voters(Electorate)in places where they live(Electoral Ridings)vote in an overall majority for members of the same Party then that Party's leader becomes the Premier.

If that Party's leader quits for whatever reason or dies in office before their term is up then that Premier's Party choses a new person to lead the party and also becomes the new Premier by default(defacto)even though none of the voters(electorate)voted for a Party run by this new Premier.

Whatever, sorry if I had to dumb it down to be more understandable.
 

shagadelic

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I will try to break it down :D

Shaggy understands how elections work, and how oddball situations like this are handled.
The problem is, this particular time, it isn't a candidate he favours.
So the laws must be changed at once.

I can handle it myself thanks, try reading the other thread on the Election where I comment on why I spoiled my Ballot.
 

vancity_cowboy

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If the voters(Electorate)in places where they live(Electoral Ridings)vote in an overall majority for members of the same Party then that Party's leader becomes the Premier.

If that Party's leader quits for whatever reason or dies in office before their term is up then that Premier's Party choses a new person to lead the party and also becomes the new Premier by default(defacto)even though none of the voters(electorate)voted for a Party run by this new Premier.

Whatever, sorry if I had to dumb it down to be more understandable.
so tell me this shaggy... how did the Party's leader get that position in the first place?
 

shagadelic

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Re-read the 2nd paragraph, this needs to be changed so the populace of the Province has a say in who becomes the new Premier. If it takes a new Election so be it.
 

badbadboy

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The Electorate always decides the Premier by way of how it votes in Electoral Ridings UNLESS a sitting Premier resigns or dies in Office, then it is solely the Governing Party who elects a new Leader for their Party thus making said new Party Leader the Defacto Premier as none of the Electorate cast their vote for this Party with this new Leader at the Helm.

The paying members of the party elect the leader.

The party puts forth their candidates for the election.

The population eligible to vote may vote for their MLA.

Party with the most seats becomes the Government.

The USA votes for President or Governor but we work under the British system of parliamentary rules.

Is that dumbed down enough for you?


:rolleyes:
 

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This may be the most ignorant (dictionary definition of the word - lacking knowledge) thing I have ever read on PERB, ever. Elections BC monitored and controlled every polling station in the province. Voter fraud is essentially impossible to any scale in BC. The polls got it wrong, pure and simple. In fact, the pollsters were polling the wrong people in the wrong places, in the wrong proportions. There have been some good articles about this recently in the paper. You might want to read one other than the Georgia Straight or whatever other piece of crap you get your news from - not one source I have seen anywhere is alleging any kind of fraud in the election.

They were polling people who had no intention of voting, who loved the NDP but didn't bother to back that up with a vote. They ignored people over 55 and those outside metro Vancouver, who actually intended to vote, who found the NDP's lack of platform and ominous flip flops on Kinder Morgan and other economic issues more than enough to run for cover under the Liberal Umbrella.

Honestly Fudd, you are a left winger all of the time, but most of the time, you aren't so transparent as a wingnut.

As for Christy, this election can only be seen by any intelligent person as exactly what it is, a resounding endorsement from the people of BC of her personally and her party leadership. EVERYONE who has any political knowledge or sense gives the credit to her for outworking, outcampaigning and basically taking what the NDP gave her (the worst front running campaign in Canadian History) and beating Dix to a pulp with it. Someone will step down and she will win a seat and we'll get on with it. David Eby ran a great campaign in the riding, Christy was busy winning the province and she still almost won Point Grey. That riding is notoriously left leaning, despite being rich, the home owners are a little nuts, there are a lot of seniors and you have UBC, the reserve and a ton of renters as well. They keep electing Mayor Moonbeam remember.

It's fine that people are upset that the Libs won the thing. But here's the rub, the NDP lost, despite their bitching and moaning, that's the way it is. The 'first past the post' system is far from perfect, but it's the one we have used since we started things here. Adrian Dix is a horrible leader and terrible policy wonk, nothing more. He's got the personality of a dead fish. No way they win with him at the helm. No way they win with trying to please everyone in their tent, you can't make the environmentalists, unionists, socialists etc all happy AND appeal to the majority of people in this province - who are NOT members of any of those groups. Dix tried to balance it and looked like he was hiding his real agenda (which he was).
That sums it up perfectly,other than you left out that Fudd is a total left wing nutjob and just shy of being a communist though I think he would jump on that bandwagon if he thought they had a chance.

SR
 

badbadboy

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Christy Clark finally won herself a seat in the legislature. She says she's planning to buy a house in Kelowna now that she won the byelection in a riding she's never lived in.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/07/10/bc-byelection-westside-kelowna.html
The Kelowna seat has always been known as the safest "Social Credit" seat in BC because of the Bennett family. Now that the Socreds have become the BC Liberal party, Christy had no choice but to go to the safest place. Can you imagine if they chose another local riding and she lost there too?

Being a frequent visitor to the Okanagan, there are plenty of worse places to have to buy at the moment. Seems there is a buyer's market happening in the area.
 

badbadboy

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I'm still floored a party would want someone who lost to continue as their leader.
Standard practise with Federal and Provincial Politics Missy. Brian Mulroney got into the Parliament because an MP stepped down in Nova Scotia so they Conservatives could have their new leader in the House.

It's too messy holding a Leadership Convention as its seen as a sign of weakness by the public, the opposition and is a multi million dollar cost to the party. Much easier to have the losing Leader parachute into a safe riding and carry on as usual. The Kelowna MLA who stepped down will probably be offered a nice plum Govt job for offering up his seat. I am too lazy to even look up his name.

@ Sarah I have had a condo for sale for three years up there and its way below its initial purchase price. There is so much new property available that virtually no one looks at a six year old condo when they can buy a brand new one for the same price. Mine has a great location if you are a golfer :nod:
 

Cock Throppled

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They could have run a blind dog in WK and those ignorant, insulated people would vote for a Libservative.

Until the Hydro rates start doubling every year because the Libs have bankrupted what was the most important asset in BC nobody in WK will notice the corruption and mismanagement. Knowing there is no viable alternative in BC the lying, raping and looting of the Province will just accelerate.
 

Cock Throppled

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Gawd, you are still moaning about the liberals? The libs won, they are the best of a shitty lot. Sorry, but fast ferries, casinogate and the rest show the NDP is just as bad ethics wise and 3 times as bad for the economy. BTW, BC Hydro is fucking itself up all on its own - the NDP was in charge for 10 years too and didn't make a single positive change. That isn't a political party at fault, it's a fucked up corporation.
Gawd, you're still moaning about things done 20 years ago? Another ignorant person who chooses to believe the lies in Liberal ads and not investigate the facts.

UBC's Sauder School of Business (not exactly a bastion of left wing thinking) did a study and showed during the NDP years BCs economy was better managed than during the Liberal years, so that's your first fact wrong.

Next, Hydro is extremely mismanaged, but it is controlled by boards appointed by the Liberals. (Same for ICBC and BC Ferries.) The company has been milked dry and bankrupted by 13 years of interference. The intent is to get to a point where it will have to be sold to private interests. Watch this and fear for the future. We're fucked, but we just rewarded them by re-electing them. NO government should ever do more than two terms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FtJimgNPdE8
 
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