LeoList is a damn good ad site imo. I'm SO HAPPY they finally expanded out east!! :dance: :nod: :clap2:
Leolist: Why Even Bother?
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LL is indeed a damn good site. It has many attractions, with naturally some distractions.
I don't care about fake photos. I get why many apartment girls who are working without visas want to be publicly invisible.
Besides, these fake photos are usually so easy to identify. Often Asian, too slick, too professional, unlikely settings, gorgeous girl with impossibly low rates, etc.
Because I am not looking for, nor expect, Kate Upton for $120, I don't mind taking chances with new dates.
Prepared to walk at all times, and equally prepared to stay if the girl is attractive enough to me.
I've noted that there are a number of the $120/45 set that do indeed post what are likely authentic photos.
Then there are those "verified" photos with SP holding a LL sign, where the girl therein is actually just a model and not the girl seen at the door.
But there doesn't seem to be too many of these... reluctant admiration for the sharp tactic.
Not quite as deceptive, but still misleading, are the real photos which were taken 10 years ago. Some higher end SPs seem to use these.
Most reliably for real photos are those used by girls who are at and beyond the $160/30 demarcation.
IF LL was to become strict about its photo policy, then it wouldn't take long for a competitor with a flexible approach to attract advertisers away.
You don't think that already competitors are not texting contact numbers in LL ads, pushing the competitors' existence and availability?
So for LL, I'll take the warts with the good stuff, and use my intelligence to sort out what seems a likely bet for pooning.
And, yes, a most worthy mention is the honest, useful & helpful posts by the Perb reviewer community.
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Seriously, Vancouver is so spoiled. You've had erslist/leolist to rely on since CL closed their erotic ads section, while the rest of Canada has had to rely on BP which seems to be under constant scrutiny and threat of closing their escort ad section, and other random sites.
Be thankful for what you've got!
Be thankful for what you've got!
The ads on Craigslist simply moved to the Therapeutic section. They however are worse than LL because of all the flagging and constant Asian ads with fake pics. BP is worse still because of the click bait ads.
I generally do like Leolist, but has anyone else noticed that when you click on the age verification button that another website pops up on another tab? Maybe it's just a Firefox issue?
Start your own ad site. It's also a place to direct your energy to. You can have the site the way you like. Start small.
Yeah, like we need more trolling here. There's only one person complaining about LL. That hardly reflects on the whole Vancouver.
Exactly.
A grand total of four threads:
Three in the Lounge.
One in 411.
Zero Reviews based upon all this heartache LeoList.cc has caused him.
Gotta stop feeding these types.
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Bill C-36 makes advertising illegal? Not likely. The law is so badly written that it likely would not withstand a court challenge. In addition, comments in Hansard greatly limit the effect of the law. The only charge that could survive a challenge is one against a person that was exploiting an SP. I understand there have been several charges of that sort where an agency or individual placed ads for services provided by a minor. If the worker is an adult and has control over the content, placement and response to the ad then the advertiser is the worker only and cannot be prosecuted. Anyone else assisting or carrying the ad would not be an advertiser. This explains why there has been no action against PERB, The Georgia Straight, Now Magazine or any other publisher.
As for using careful or vague language in ads, doing so provides little or no protection. Conversely, using explicit language would not increase risk of prosecution unless the content was so extreme that it attracted wide spread public concern to the point where law enforcement was forced to act despite the likelyhood of failure. The courts may sometimes act like they are stupid but they are not required to do so. If it is an ad for the provision of sexual services then the courts will treat it as such, no matter how careful or vague the language. Your protection comes from the Charter and the ease with which the law against advertising can be challenged and not from careful or vague language.
Disclaimer. The above is worth a pinch of salt as I have no formal legal qualifications.
As for using careful or vague language in ads, doing so provides little or no protection. Conversely, using explicit language would not increase risk of prosecution unless the content was so extreme that it attracted wide spread public concern to the point where law enforcement was forced to act despite the likelyhood of failure. The courts may sometimes act like they are stupid but they are not required to do so. If it is an ad for the provision of sexual services then the courts will treat it as such, no matter how careful or vague the language. Your protection comes from the Charter and the ease with which the law against advertising can be challenged and not from careful or vague language.
Disclaimer. The above is worth a pinch of salt as I have no formal legal qualifications.
So you actually advise pooners to go through all this crap in order to pay their own money to someone else? Are you serious? I would expect to get paid myself for doing it! Money talks, right? So why would you expect a pooner to go through all this totally idiotic trouble and inconvenience to find someone to pay money to? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
Really good point. Though I personally don't have ANY trust in Canada's court system.
It's always good to see a BDSM specialist & get all our attitudes whipped out of us the day before going to see a real SP ;My question is...even if the OP did find a reputable sp amongst all the so called "garbage" on leolist... how on god's green earth would he make it through her screening... with an attitude like that??
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To those of you, who think Leolist is "damn good", and I'm just trolling, and I didn't write any review yet:
- technically (layout, functionality, usability) Leolist is extremely primitive. It looks like it was created by some high school dropout, likely after smoking pot. There is really nothing to discuss here: it could have been passable back in nineties, but definitely not in 2017, not even as an amateur job. Haven't seen anything better? Lived under a rock all these years? Well, maybe try not to show your ignorance publicly.
Leolist openly facilitates fraud - in fact most of its ads are fraudulent or at least somewhat fraudulent. If you are a reputable SP, why do you even want your ad to appear among the piles of disgusting excrements, so to say? Leave scam sites to scammers. I'm personally already having trouble taking "legit" Leolist ads seriously, as normally people who look for quality stuff don't go dumpster diving.
Why do Perb mods allow Leolist to advertise on this board? Leolist is trying to defraud us, Perb members, out of our hard earned money. This is not a joke. I do understand we need some site of this kind, but it doesn't mean Perb should tolerate known and deliberate scammers. Keep in mind - most of Leolist ads are fraud, not just some once in a while. Leolist knows it, Perb mods know it. So WTF? Take action - ban the crooks!
- trolling issue: it looks like any comments not in line with some weird stereotypes are considered trolling on this board. Why is that? What I would consider trolling is trying to convince sane people that using Leolist is "normal", scam ads are "OK", just dig through them... this is real trolling, and kind of offensive to anyone with some common sense.
- not leaving any reviews yet: ironically lots of reviews on this board are quite useless. Not because they were written in bad faith, but because there is no sense in reviewing scam SPs, except to warn other pooners. But you are better off staying away from scam SPs altogether, hence no reviews. Girls with no pricing / bad or outdated pics are out of consideration either. What is left? Pretty much no one except those reputable SPs who are already well reviewed. I'm trying to point out the root of the problem, no to become a part of the problem.
- technically (layout, functionality, usability) Leolist is extremely primitive. It looks like it was created by some high school dropout, likely after smoking pot. There is really nothing to discuss here: it could have been passable back in nineties, but definitely not in 2017, not even as an amateur job. Haven't seen anything better? Lived under a rock all these years? Well, maybe try not to show your ignorance publicly.
Leolist openly facilitates fraud - in fact most of its ads are fraudulent or at least somewhat fraudulent. If you are a reputable SP, why do you even want your ad to appear among the piles of disgusting excrements, so to say? Leave scam sites to scammers. I'm personally already having trouble taking "legit" Leolist ads seriously, as normally people who look for quality stuff don't go dumpster diving.
Why do Perb mods allow Leolist to advertise on this board? Leolist is trying to defraud us, Perb members, out of our hard earned money. This is not a joke. I do understand we need some site of this kind, but it doesn't mean Perb should tolerate known and deliberate scammers. Keep in mind - most of Leolist ads are fraud, not just some once in a while. Leolist knows it, Perb mods know it. So WTF? Take action - ban the crooks!
- trolling issue: it looks like any comments not in line with some weird stereotypes are considered trolling on this board. Why is that? What I would consider trolling is trying to convince sane people that using Leolist is "normal", scam ads are "OK", just dig through them... this is real trolling, and kind of offensive to anyone with some common sense.
- not leaving any reviews yet: ironically lots of reviews on this board are quite useless. Not because they were written in bad faith, but because there is no sense in reviewing scam SPs, except to warn other pooners. But you are better off staying away from scam SPs altogether, hence no reviews. Girls with no pricing / bad or outdated pics are out of consideration either. What is left? Pretty much no one except those reputable SPs who are already well reviewed. I'm trying to point out the root of the problem, no to become a part of the problem.
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I like to look on Leolist. If someone advertising there interests me, then I'll do my best to get more info from other sources, usually PERB.
I only see R&T providers. Regrettably, very few such providers advertise on PERB, so if I want to find out who is offering services I need another source, like Leolist.
As to most ads there being scams, the few advertisers I recognize there provide decent service. That doesn't mean there aren't scams. What it means is, shop carefully and you can meet some good providers.
I only see R&T providers. Regrettably, very few such providers advertise on PERB, so if I want to find out who is offering services I need another source, like Leolist.
As to most ads there being scams, the few advertisers I recognize there provide decent service. That doesn't mean there aren't scams. What it means is, shop carefully and you can meet some good providers.
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There is an old hacker saying "escort prices, hooker quality". That pretty much sums up those type of forums. Seriously, does one need a course in this shit? You go on Leolist, you see a "perfect" female, great tits, perfect body, perfect everything and she's up for sale for $200/hr. So you bite. And you show up and OMG, she doesn't look like the stolen pictures.
I mean c'mon. Assume you're a hot fucking 21 year old with a perfect rack and tight pussy. Are you going to advertise yourself on that type of medium and charge less money than an "average" SP? What's that saying "buyer beware". I mean, you're sort of required to have some street sense. If it's too good to be true it's probably bullshit unless it's cookies from Presidents Choice.
One, the mods have no impact on who advertises, that is up to the board owner. Two, if you have a better alternative for ads in Vancouver or anywhere else, point it out. Two, we do not tolerate scammers, but blaming the website for the actions of the advertisers is like blaming junk food companies for obesity. It is the ladies and their handlers/pimps who are the scammers. Leolist has a flagging system, use it. As for your claim that most leolist ads are fraud, you show no evidence, and make no compelling arguments. Many PERB advertisers also advertise there and many perberts seem to have no trouble finding ladies to see on that site. Are you saying you can't? That's likely evidence of an impairment on your part and nothing more. As it is, you are clearly a troll hiding behind TOR addresses. Take two weeks off and when you come back, leave the conspiracy theories out of it.
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The mods of PERB answer to the board owner, not to the posters. Papacito is complaining he got a 2 week ban. Fair enough, I have referred the issue to the new owner for adjudication. He will however, serve the ban and not be allowed to create new handles to keep on trolling. I'm sticking with the decision to ban him in the first place, his rhetoric and conspiracy theories and attacks on a paid advertiser are more than enough to warrant a 2 week ban from the board.
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