Kyra Rivers
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Wow, really? Are you saying "Once a whore, always a whore?"They always come back!!! if you show enough $$$$
Many women use this industry as a means to an end, and many times that end does not include returning to the industry, regardless of $$$$.
I'm not saying that some yo-yo in and out of the biz, depending on tiier current social situation, and some do end up finding the end they were working to was not the be all they thought, and return with a new end to work towards.
But to generalize that anyone who has worked in the industry will unretire if you throw enough cash at them, well, unless you're talking "Indecent Proposal" type cash, I think you are sadly mistaken.
Its unfortunate, but the stigmata this industry places on its workers makes most quit far before they need to. There are very few proud courtesans out there, that unabashedly embrace their calling. If only society could allow then the same stature as other professions, so they could ply their trade legally and with status, we'd have a much healthier society, I think. And a lot less CL rip off girls...
Rubin
(want to make $$$$ real fast? Hold down the (shift) key and hit 4 four times real quick...)
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Sorry, i was "generalising". i'll be more specific.
SOME always come back!!! if you show enough $$$$
what do you mean unless you're talking "Indecsent Proposal" type cash
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So it is possible AND it do happen from time to time, right? or Am I mistaken?
personally and honestly, i have never refered to any of the ladies as a "W" like you implied.
Even tho i've been ripped off for many many bad session.
on another topic.....why does everyone think "legalizing" the trade it will make it better? think about who comes out a winner and profiting from this?
IT'S THE GOVERNMENT!!!! they now becomes the Nightmare of a Pimp that these ladies will ever see.
fist off it's 5% GST & 7% PST. Thats other $24 on $200. This it an obligation to collect for them. AND if you're late on your PST monthly submittion it's 50% penalty! that $1000 PST you collected is now $1500 in just 60 days!!!! you want to talk about Loan Sharking??? it's the Government. and they get away with this.
that $200 then she would have to pay income tax on.......just say shes in the 30% tax bracket. that's another $60 out her pocket. now it's $140 left.
you just paid $225 for the service and she getting $140. Plus all added headache for her to administrate her "business" Hmmmm....i just rather see the $225 for herself, for her disposal, whether is it on a car payment, kids formula or that little 420 habit she has.
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Wow,
The depth you've put into your reasoning is amazing. The point about "Indecent Proposal" type money was meant to say any woman may have a price, regardless of her past. Men too... and the use of Whore was in quotation marks, "Once a whore, always a whore" is a well known phrase, google it...
You forget about the benefits of legalization.
The ladies can get credit to buy a house, can actually invest their money instead of keeping in the mattress. Don't know many SP's with bank loans for cars when they can't show proof of income, so your "car payment" scenario is moot. Yes, they'll have to pay taxes, but they won't have to worry about having to pay legal fees in the case of getting busted. Or being run out of town on a rail.
The pimps that can take 50% or more of the SW money would be instantly out of business.
You'd have a safe, clean place to go, where the workers are there of their own free will, where they are checked regularly and are given the proper training and products to practice safely and securely.
And, even with PST and GST, I bet youd find the average Incall price would be lower than you are paying now. And there would be a lot more variety of ladies and services available.
And who knows, we might even get it to be considered a "medical expense" (stress releif, keep us from going postal crazy) and be able to deduct our pooning like we do massage...
I don't think there is a legitimate lady out there that wouldn't welcome government sanctioning of the industry, even the formation of a union. The "skank ho's" and their pimps might prefer the present system, as they couldn't meet gov't standards, but make it a gov't sanctioned business, and you'd attract a lot more talent, and with an increase in supply, you'd see an increase in useage, and also a slight decrease in price. But where else would a woman be able to earn 50K a year working 2 hours a day? (Calculate at $100/hr, which would be a fair price to attract women to the industry, that's $1000/wk, 50k/yr). Not a lot of 50k/yr to start jobs out there... and no reason an ambitious woman couldn't make 100K+...
When you have to fly under the radar, hide from the public eye, meet clandestine, pay for incall or hotel fees, drivers, and the like, it makes making a living hard. If its out in the open, things are a lot easier.
Not like its ever going to happen, but we can dream. Can't wait for the "Urban Reservation" craze to get here, you can bet there's an entrepeneur in that community that will open a legal brothel...
Rubin
The depth you've put into your reasoning is amazing. The point about "Indecent Proposal" type money was meant to say any woman may have a price, regardless of her past. Men too... and the use of Whore was in quotation marks, "Once a whore, always a whore" is a well known phrase, google it...
You forget about the benefits of legalization.
The ladies can get credit to buy a house, can actually invest their money instead of keeping in the mattress. Don't know many SP's with bank loans for cars when they can't show proof of income, so your "car payment" scenario is moot. Yes, they'll have to pay taxes, but they won't have to worry about having to pay legal fees in the case of getting busted. Or being run out of town on a rail.
The pimps that can take 50% or more of the SW money would be instantly out of business.
You'd have a safe, clean place to go, where the workers are there of their own free will, where they are checked regularly and are given the proper training and products to practice safely and securely.
And, even with PST and GST, I bet youd find the average Incall price would be lower than you are paying now. And there would be a lot more variety of ladies and services available.
And who knows, we might even get it to be considered a "medical expense" (stress releif, keep us from going postal crazy) and be able to deduct our pooning like we do massage...
I don't think there is a legitimate lady out there that wouldn't welcome government sanctioning of the industry, even the formation of a union. The "skank ho's" and their pimps might prefer the present system, as they couldn't meet gov't standards, but make it a gov't sanctioned business, and you'd attract a lot more talent, and with an increase in supply, you'd see an increase in useage, and also a slight decrease in price. But where else would a woman be able to earn 50K a year working 2 hours a day? (Calculate at $100/hr, which would be a fair price to attract women to the industry, that's $1000/wk, 50k/yr). Not a lot of 50k/yr to start jobs out there... and no reason an ambitious woman couldn't make 100K+...
When you have to fly under the radar, hide from the public eye, meet clandestine, pay for incall or hotel fees, drivers, and the like, it makes making a living hard. If its out in the open, things are a lot easier.
Not like its ever going to happen, but we can dream. Can't wait for the "Urban Reservation" craze to get here, you can bet there's an entrepeneur in that community that will open a legal brothel...
Rubin
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oh ya.....there real benifits of legalztn......lets look who really beniifit from this.
1. the goverment gets their share of taxes....like they really, really more taxes.
2. the men now have a lower rate and more talent to choose.....so you can get off more and have a better, healthier life style. AND write it off as your exspenses. as a society, should we encourage young women to enter this career. so we can have more talent? if you have a daughter, or wife....you should encourage them to enter the trade.....so we can have more talent!!
3. and the "entrepeneur in that community that will open a legal brothel" also now have a piece of the pie.
and now if the market rate is lower, the ladies now have to suck 3 time the amount of sweatty balls and put up 3 times the amount of bullSh.. to make the same amount of $$. i am sure they really love that!! all for the benifits of gettin good credit with the bank to buy a house and a car loan.
i sure all the ladies, oh.....let me reword that.....i sure MOST, of the ladies really wants this as there first career choice. and they're in this busniess to earn minimal living.
wouldnt be better for them to use the hot assets, to work in a legit, easy tasking job couple days a week. like at Earls, Moxies, Joeys and have a legit income. have this as their side business?
for me i just think every single penny should go to the ladies. and no other person or anything should benefit from them.
i have no problem with paying the top rate to the top, exceptional service. this hobby should not be for everyone. if you cant afford it, clock in a few extra hours overtime, do your wife, or go solo.
1. the goverment gets their share of taxes....like they really, really more taxes.
2. the men now have a lower rate and more talent to choose.....so you can get off more and have a better, healthier life style. AND write it off as your exspenses. as a society, should we encourage young women to enter this career. so we can have more talent? if you have a daughter, or wife....you should encourage them to enter the trade.....so we can have more talent!!
3. and the "entrepeneur in that community that will open a legal brothel" also now have a piece of the pie.
and now if the market rate is lower, the ladies now have to suck 3 time the amount of sweatty balls and put up 3 times the amount of bullSh.. to make the same amount of $$. i am sure they really love that!! all for the benifits of gettin good credit with the bank to buy a house and a car loan.
i sure all the ladies, oh.....let me reword that.....i sure MOST, of the ladies really wants this as there first career choice. and they're in this busniess to earn minimal living.
wouldnt be better for them to use the hot assets, to work in a legit, easy tasking job couple days a week. like at Earls, Moxies, Joeys and have a legit income. have this as their side business?
for me i just think every single penny should go to the ladies. and no other person or anything should benefit from them.
i have no problem with paying the top rate to the top, exceptional service. this hobby should not be for everyone. if you cant afford it, clock in a few extra hours overtime, do your wife, or go solo.
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It sounds like you think that the women in this business are in it because they have no where lese to go, or no other talents to make a living with, so they are forced economically into this business.
It may come as a surprise to you, but many women would love to do this "job" full time, but the social and legal stigmata prevents them. Giving these women the same support as any other worker, and the right to work in a safe environment, is that a wrong thing?
Every "underground" industry allows the nefarious characters to muscle in on the business, and live off the avails. Much harder to do when the lady can call the cops on them.
Gov't will take a lot less than pimps, and who benefits from taxes? We all do.
I've never said that women who provide excellent service don't deserve top dollar. Your complaint was that legalization will add to the costs with PST and GST and income taxes. I countered that it can actually end up being cheaper. But most importantly, safer for the ladies. If they are legal, they can call the cops in the case of abuse...
As to sucking more sweaty balls, if things were legalized, there would be a lot less sweaty balls, and a lot better class of clientel for the ladies, as "john's" wouldn't have to worry the way they do now...
Rubin
It may come as a surprise to you, but many women would love to do this "job" full time, but the social and legal stigmata prevents them. Giving these women the same support as any other worker, and the right to work in a safe environment, is that a wrong thing?
Every "underground" industry allows the nefarious characters to muscle in on the business, and live off the avails. Much harder to do when the lady can call the cops on them.
Gov't will take a lot less than pimps, and who benefits from taxes? We all do.
I've never said that women who provide excellent service don't deserve top dollar. Your complaint was that legalization will add to the costs with PST and GST and income taxes. I countered that it can actually end up being cheaper. But most importantly, safer for the ladies. If they are legal, they can call the cops in the case of abuse...
As to sucking more sweaty balls, if things were legalized, there would be a lot less sweaty balls, and a lot better class of clientel for the ladies, as "john's" wouldn't have to worry the way they do now...
Rubin
uh huh......i am sure alot of the woman would love to do this as a "job".
if the market has more talent like you said.....eventually the supply will over comes the demand...to a point of where the rate would be like working for minimuim wage? would they love this as a full time job if it pays $10/hr???
so now the rate is soooo low, every minimum wage or welfare chump can get 5 or 6 loads off with his paychk. ya....that will make it less sweaty balls.
now the lady would have to do 5-6 times as much......but! oh ya.....they can feel much cleaner and safe becuz they have a safer enviroemnt to bang all the cleaner Jonhs.
who benefits from taxes? We all do........YES, we all do....except for them, the ladies....at the end of the day, they're the ones putting their body and health on the line.....and we want to benefit from that??
why do you think they work in this trade? bottome line is ..... ITS EASY MONEY!!!! what other talent can they, or you and i do to make $150 -250/hr?? if there is....wouldnt they do that instread??
my point is legalizn the trade can bring the rates down, yes. but i dont think i will be safer then it is now. if it's i would risk playing the hobby. who will benifit? everyone, except the ladies. and i woudlnt that. they would have to work more just to make the same amuont....this will end up being crappier service to me. becuz if they have to service 3-4 or 5 guys before me.....which they would have to for the same $$$....i would not get a better service as i would get......nor do i feel safer.
cheers,
if the market has more talent like you said.....eventually the supply will over comes the demand...to a point of where the rate would be like working for minimuim wage? would they love this as a full time job if it pays $10/hr???
so now the rate is soooo low, every minimum wage or welfare chump can get 5 or 6 loads off with his paychk. ya....that will make it less sweaty balls.
now the lady would have to do 5-6 times as much......but! oh ya.....they can feel much cleaner and safe becuz they have a safer enviroemnt to bang all the cleaner Jonhs.
who benefits from taxes? We all do........YES, we all do....except for them, the ladies....at the end of the day, they're the ones putting their body and health on the line.....and we want to benefit from that??
why do you think they work in this trade? bottome line is ..... ITS EASY MONEY!!!! what other talent can they, or you and i do to make $150 -250/hr?? if there is....wouldnt they do that instread??
my point is legalizn the trade can bring the rates down, yes. but i dont think i will be safer then it is now. if it's i would risk playing the hobby. who will benifit? everyone, except the ladies. and i woudlnt that. they would have to work more just to make the same amuont....this will end up being crappier service to me. becuz if they have to service 3-4 or 5 guys before me.....which they would have to for the same $$$....i would not get a better service as i would get......nor do i feel safer.
cheers,
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Ever the optomist, eh?
Did you read any of my posts? It ain't gonna be a min wage job, it ain't gonna be a slot machine set-up. Its still going to be much more than they could make elsewhere, and yes, it will be safer. There is no doubt. Only an idiot would not be able to see that the legal protection alone makes it safer.
There will be bad service given, just like at any job, there are people who do a good job, and those that don't. The ones that care will get more business, be able to charge more and make more money. Can't you see that? Just like different lawyers charge different amounts based on the level of service you get, so will legal prostitutes. I don't think there will be a "legal aid" type of service though...
I'm done... this is just silly. You are incapable of understanding the free market system, and the safety net that legalization will offer.
Did you read any of my posts? It ain't gonna be a min wage job, it ain't gonna be a slot machine set-up. Its still going to be much more than they could make elsewhere, and yes, it will be safer. There is no doubt. Only an idiot would not be able to see that the legal protection alone makes it safer.
There will be bad service given, just like at any job, there are people who do a good job, and those that don't. The ones that care will get more business, be able to charge more and make more money. Can't you see that? Just like different lawyers charge different amounts based on the level of service you get, so will legal prostitutes. I don't think there will be a "legal aid" type of service though...
I'm done... this is just silly. You are incapable of understanding the free market system, and the safety net that legalization will offer.
Why dont you enlighten us with your Harvard MBA and YOUR understanding of the free market system. we can all use a good laugh here. you should be "done"!!!!
WE DONT NEED MORE more goveremtn rules, regulation, redtape and useless bauracracy in this counrty! you probally just a goverment pencil pusher, behind a desk, jacking the 9-5 hours few more years, wating to collect your pension AND thinking with the goverment BS rule will sovle everthing. and benifit evryone.
if you ask any small buisness owners or entreprenure in this country, how can a buseinesses prosper, grow, benifit and expand?....IT IS THAT THERES LESS GOVERMENT REGULATION AND HANDS OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
legaliztn this trade doesnt solve anything but only create and more BS for the SPs. and lower their market value, thus they will have to work more.
as is right now, the pro/top notch ladies are taking care of themself very well, and playing it safe. they dont need the goverment to tell them to get chekups, certified, and regulate them. As for the "skank ho and pimps", that you referring to, they always going to be there regardless if it's Legal or Illegal trade.
if you look at quality and the current market rate for SPs in other citiies like TO, Van, Montrl......they are already extremely low ($120-$150) for a 5strar service. There are more AAA quality massage palour then there're Tim Hortons in Vancouver. AND this is suppositly a ILLEGAL underground trade.
if the trade legalize, the market would be much much much more competitive, the rate will be much lower. the SPs would have to DO way more for earn thier $$$, extend their shelve life in the trade and of course, charge even lower less in the later part of thier career.
WE DONT NEED MORE more goveremtn rules, regulation, redtape and useless bauracracy in this counrty! you probally just a goverment pencil pusher, behind a desk, jacking the 9-5 hours few more years, wating to collect your pension AND thinking with the goverment BS rule will sovle everthing. and benifit evryone.
if you ask any small buisness owners or entreprenure in this country, how can a buseinesses prosper, grow, benifit and expand?....IT IS THAT THERES LESS GOVERMENT REGULATION AND HANDS OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
legaliztn this trade doesnt solve anything but only create and more BS for the SPs. and lower their market value, thus they will have to work more.
as is right now, the pro/top notch ladies are taking care of themself very well, and playing it safe. they dont need the goverment to tell them to get chekups, certified, and regulate them. As for the "skank ho and pimps", that you referring to, they always going to be there regardless if it's Legal or Illegal trade.
if you look at quality and the current market rate for SPs in other citiies like TO, Van, Montrl......they are already extremely low ($120-$150) for a 5strar service. There are more AAA quality massage palour then there're Tim Hortons in Vancouver. AND this is suppositly a ILLEGAL underground trade.
if the trade legalize, the market would be much much much more competitive, the rate will be much lower. the SPs would have to DO way more for earn thier $$$, extend their shelve life in the trade and of course, charge even lower less in the later part of thier career.
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adidas, hate to say this, but even 3 star service in the Vancouver area....is more than $150 an hour....To get 5 star, plan on having the walllet loaded.....this area is shall we say priced high.....granted I've gotten damn fine 4 star at the $$ mark but to think in places like Van, To and Montreal to get quality at a buck fiddy....that's just a pipe dream.
have you been to winnipeg?
some of your 3 star, $140, in Van is like a 5star+2, $250 here in winnipeg.
HAH your funny dude.....$140 here will buy you in most places and ladies, a r n t.....quite far from 3 star and nowhere near 5 star.....sorry, I've seen high quality and paid for it here, although we do have one SP here who provides 5 star for a budget but I digress, look at ladies here like DClassy Angel, Dahlia Dawn, etal, high class and prices to match.
yes, i agree with you.....but, we're not talking about the elite, high class escort/companion service. as in the words of the movie Everything Given Sunday...."the thousand dollar hos". the ones in the budget of Ben Afflec, Kid Rock, and Chuck Liddell. thos one do have a price level of their own and would be outta reach for all of us with our income....we dont have them here in winnipeg.
i am just talking about your regular Joe, the basic 1 hr., relaxation massage+full service, $150-200, that you can get at any massage places or elsewhere.
case n point!!!
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So, you're happy with the current rules? You'll be fine when the gov't busts down the door while you are enflagrente delecto, and putting your ass in jail.
I prefer allowing the ladies to have legal businesses, and let the market find is place. But as long as it is illegal, there will be a criminal element involved. Maybe not with the ladies you see, but there are ladies out there (ie. CL) that are dangerous or in danger themselves.
And as for your pricing quotes, are you talking MP's? (which are Totally Illegal). Because I've never seen any SP with rates anywhere near what you're quoting. And the Vancouver and Toronto MP's and Micros are loaded with illegals and ladies the never wanted to do this, but have to if they want to get thier passage back home. They have no protection under the law.
My argument has never been that I want a cheap fuck. I want the ladies to be able to work openly and have the same privileges, protections and responsibilities everyone else has. Being able to advertise, not having to hide and sneak around, allowing brothels to be set up with security and monitoring to protect the ladies, all these things make their lives easier, safer and, if anything, extend their careers. And being able to get training in how to properly treat a client really benefits us...
Get it?
