Justice prevails....Shafia family all found guilty of first-degree murder!

[tokugawa]

While I am not the biggest fan of our local courts, I don't think the outcome would have been much different here. The evidence was overwhelming, though it was disconcerting how many allies the accused had.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-arrogance-and-mistakes-led-to-shafias-murder-conviction/article2319036/page1/ Absolutely guilty!

 

[Kali.Kaos]

Their belief is, that if their daughters dont follow the parents orders or talk to boys, the girls deserve death.
They believe other muslims will look down at them for not "fixing" this horrible embarrassing problem.
Their beliefs caused them to murder 4 people.

How on earth do you respect their beliefs?

I sure dont. I think Canadians need to send a message that we dont.

Can you personally imagine, your parents killing you, for dating?

Well they are Muslim and not originally from Canada. If their culture believes in honor killings.. Power to them. Just not in my country. As I mentioned as well, I wish we had capital punishment still in effect because even though I respect their beliefs, I don't agree with them. If you murder someone in cold blood in Canada, I think the government should pay you the same respects. It's a shame that the tax payers have to pay for them to be jailed here..

 

[jesuschrist]

Well they are Muslim and not originally from Canada. If their culture believes in honor killings.. Power to them. Just not in my country. As I mentioned as well, I wish we had capital punishment still in effect because even though I respect their beliefs, I don't agree with them. If you murder someone in cold blood in Canada, I think the government should pay you the same respects. It's a shame that the tax payers have to pay for them to be jailed here..

China has a Muslim problem. Oh wait, no they don't.

 

[leoghaire]

a couple of corrections to previous posts
1-25 years with no chance of parole is for first degree murder only. Second degree allows "judicial discretion"
2-Canada does not have consecutive sentences. The only way to have someone in prison until death is with dangerous offender status

 

[vancity_cowboy]

As I mentioned as well, I wish we had capital punishment still in effect because even though I respect their beliefs, I don't agree with them. If you murder someone in cold blood in Canada, I think the government should pay you the same respects.

welcome to the club kali. you see, it's only a matter of how heinous the crime is - sooner or later a case occurs that is so evil that it gets through to all of us :thumb:

 

[Dgodus]

Keeping your culture is one thing. When your culture breaks our laws it's time to leave your culture behind if you want to live here. Dont like it, dont live here.

When in Rome.....

 

[mercyshooter]

You are incredibly stupid. Sorry, but it's true. You can't tell the difference between having a job, and doing it well. No wonder you are unemployed; I certainly wouldn't hire you.

Wrong! I can get a job in HK quicker than in Canada! It's the people in Canada, especially the leechers and abusers of the Act that makes it hard to find a job quick. And then employers can't sustain the global economy. Check Canada's annual debts per capita and you'll know! The working quality here in Canada is degenerating due to these scumbbags!
P.S.: the global economy is still bad!

Like I said in other posts/threads, widen your views. You are living on EARTH for god's sake!

 

[LittleAsianGuy]

Heard from a afghan at a restaurant that some people take their wife back to their home country. Then do the honour killing where this shit is allowed and not presecuted. Guess these morons deserve what they gotten for their crimes.

 

[LADY-VIA]

well they are muslim and not originally from canada. If their culture believes in honor killings.. Power to them. Just not in my country. As i mentioned as well, i wish we had capital punishment still in effect because even though i respect their beliefs, i don't agree with them. If you murder someone in cold blood in canada, i think the government should pay you the same respects. It's a shame that the tax payers have to pay for them to be jailed here..

that is a bloody shame.. Too bad we couldnt just lock em all up in a storage container ship them off to tim buck two... With enough bread and water to last till time itself or the cold catches up with them !!!!!!

LADY VIA

 

[overdone]

a couple of corrections to previous posts
2-Canada does not have consecutive sentences. The only way to have someone in prison until death is with dangerous offender status

this statement isn't accurate

we have consecutive sentencing, in some cases, it just isn't used often

they don't have to let someone out after 25 years, they don't have to be declared a dangerous offender, they just have to deny them parole, they could let you rot til you die, like Willams probably will



http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliam...age=E&ls=c54&source=library_prb&Parl=40&Ses=2

 

[DavidMR]

Plus after they finish their sentences they can and probably will be deported back to Afghanistan if I understand the ruling correctly. The parents should be dead by then but the kid might still be alive.

A life sentence is never finished.

 

[mercyshooter]

A life sentence is never finished.

According to law of Canada, life sentence can be paroled out after 7 to 25 years. So, it can be finished!

 

[storm rider]

that is a bloody shame.. Too bad we couldnt just lock em all up in a storage container ship them off to tim buck two... With enough bread and water to last till time itself or the cold catches up with them !!!!!!

LADY VIA

Public stoning would be a far better option and also more fitting....stake those pieces of shit out in front of the court house 24/7 with the clothes on their backs and bread and water once a day and let the general public administer justice....seems far more fitting and biblical since the 3 guilty people are so high minded with regards to old country traditions such as honour killings.....I myself would lack no compunction for chucking golf ball sized stones at them for an hour.

SR

 

[DavidMR]

This is a quote from the article in the first post of the thread:

"Mohammad Shafia, his wife Tooba Yahya and their son Hamed, who had pleaded not guilty, were each handed an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years. '

If you actually took the time to read the article it might have prevented you from making yet another of your unnecessary contributions.

Well, I don't think you understand what's going on. They are sentenced for life. They may get parole at some distant date, though in this type of case that's going to be a practical impossibility. However, should someone sentenced to life get paroled, their sentence still holds, they can be back in jail anytime for almost any offence of significance, such as theft. Parole doesn't end the life sentence.

What was that you were saying about unnecessary contributions?

 

[mercyshooter]

Well, I don't think you understand what's going on. They are sentenced for life. They may get parole at some distant date, though in this type of case that's going to be a practical impossibility. However, should someone sentenced to life get paroled, their sentence still holds, they can be back in jail anytime for almost any offence of significance, such as theft. Parole doesn't end the life sentence.

What was that you were saying about unnecessary contributions?

What if they get paroled and then Canada decides to deport them? Can we say life sentence is ended in this case?

 

[DavidMR]

What if they get paroled and then Canada decides to deport them? Can we say life sentence is ended in this case?

We could possibly deport them as was done with two street racers a few years ago, but not if they are Canadian citizens.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

When they apply to emigrate to Canada, we should demand they openly state that all of the freedoms they expect from us, they will and must extend to the members of their own family. If they refuse, we should refuse them entry.

Not sure how that would change anything. These people know very well honor killings aren't condoned in Canada and they're very aware it is viewed as murder. Obviously they would just say whatever they need to regardless of whether or not they meant it. The fact that they went through the trouble of trying to make it appear like an accident leaves no doubt they knew honor killings wouldn't go over well here. In places where honor killings are condoned and tolerated (or even promoted), do you think they even have to make it look like or pretend it's an accident? No, obviously the whole point is for it to be known they won the family's honor back by killing the women "guilty" of bringing dishonor to the family by their alleged actions, Any mildly intelligent person is obviously just going to say whatever they need to say when their entry into Canada depends on it. That is not a solution to anything.

The Canadian citizenship study guide mentions that “Canada's openness and generosity do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, 'honour killings', female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.”

Well they are Muslim and not originally from Canada. If their culture believes in honor killings.. Power to them. Just not in my country. As I mentioned as well, I wish we had capital punishment still in effect because even though I respect their beliefs, I don't agree with them. If you murder someone in cold blood in Canada, I think the government should pay you the same respects. It's a shame that the tax payers have to pay for them to be jailed here..

Public stoning would be a far better option and also more fitting....stake those pieces of shit out in front of the court house 24/7 with the clothes on their backs and bread and water once a day and let the general public administer justice....seems far more fitting and biblical since the 3 guilty people are so high minded with regards to old country traditions such as honour killings.....I myself would lack no compunction for chucking golf ball sized stones at them for an hour.

SR

I personally think that it's much better they did get into Canada and did commit the murders here (as opposed to having committed them back in their village) because if they had done it in Afghanistan, they'd all be free and proud about what they have done! I also think that 25 years or more in prison is arguably harsher than capital punishment. When you're dead, you're dead. When you're sent to jail, you've got 25 years to deal with having no freedom and your life taken from you. I much prefer to see them in jail than dead. Death's way too easy. Let them all get old and/or die in a prison.


I see no purpose or reason why we would want to lower ourselves to behave in the same barbaric, primitive way we are condemning them for. I mean, either you denounce it or either you embrace it. You don't get to do both, how does that make sense? You're barbaric and primitive - or you're not. If you are, you can't say anything about other barbaric practices just because you don't like those specific ones.

the notion of honor killings and views of whether they are acceptable and justifiable crosses religion and is more contingent on the family’s social culture.

Just to add something. There's nothing in the muslim religion that endorses honor killings - (just like genital mutilation) Honor killings are really not a "muslim thing" and certainly not all muslims condone them.

According to Dr. Shahrzad Mojab, a University of Toronto professor of women’s studies, followers of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Christianity have used their religions as a rationale to commit honour killings. However, Mojab stated that honor killings don't have "any definite connection with religion at all." She also pointed out that honor killings have been practised before any major religion came into existence.

Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions."

Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women’s issues at Aga Khan University, notes that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings. The first and most basic right in the Qur'an that every Muslim is expected to follow is, in fact, the right to life. As written in the Qur'an,

"That if anyone slays a human being – unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth – it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind." (5:32)

Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings. Khan also argues that this view results in violence against women and their being turned “into a commodity which can be exchanged, bought and sold.”

A survey by author, Ellen Sheeley revealed that 20% of Jordanites sampled, believe that Islam condones and even supports murder in the name of family honor. Others note how religious meaning attached to terms such as virginity and bride-price help to reinforce social traditions and the control of women’s body and their sexuality.

As noted by Christian Arab writer, Norma Khouri, honor killings originate from the belief that a woman’s chastity is the property of her families, a cultural norm that dates back to 1200 B.C., under the rule of Hammarabi and other Assyrian tribes.

Matthew Goldstein has also noted that honor killings were encouraged in ancient Rome, where male family members who did not take actions against the female adulterers in their family were "actively persecuted".

All quotes from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing


More:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...types+about+honour+killing/5958403/story.html
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/30/shafia-trial-six-perspectives-on-honour-killing/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-up-call-for-canadian-muslims/article2319148/
http://www.stophonourkillings.com/

 

[jnewton]

... "That if anyone slays a human being – unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth – it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind." (5:32) ...

Just to add something. There's nothing in the muslim religion that endorses honor killings - (just like genital mutilation) Honor killings are really not a "muslim thing" and certainly not all muslims condone them.

Therein lies the problem. The "honor killing" happens precisely because it is thought that they have brought dishonor to the family by engaging in activity that "spreads corruption on earth".

While I will readily agree that not all Muslims condone the practice, to say that nothing in the Muslim religion endorses it is a bit too generous.

 

[jesuschrist]

Death sentence to these people would be the only real honour killing. The victims and we as a society and as human beings should have been honoured also by the death of Pickton and other idiots.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Therein lies the problem. The "honor killing" happens precisely because it is thought that they have brought dishonor to the family by engaging in activity that "spreads corruption on earth".

While I will readily agree that not all Muslims condone the practice, to say that nothing in the Muslim religion endorses it is a bit too generous.

Well that could be just about anything....


The bible, on the other hand, is quite specific about what "crimes" should be punishable by death (Same with the Torah actually.)

God killed Onan for "spilling his seed" on the ground


Examples of the death penalty

The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:

Murder
Adultery
Bestiality
Rape
Sodomy
Picking up sticks on Saturday
A betrothed woman who conscensually has sex with a man.
A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding
Worshiping other gods
Witchcraft (Exodus 22:18)
Taking God's name in vain or cursing God's name
Cursing a parent
Kidnapping


Modern view

Some contemporary critics of the bible have viewed its laws as immoral .

Common criticisms include:

The Bible tacitly endorses certain forms of slavery, and records many laws and procedures dealing with slaves.

The Bible's strictures on homosexual sex are seen as outmoded by some groups. As well, the Bible's endorsement of capital punishment and its restriction on adultery are often viewed in a similar light.

On the other hand, more conservative critics are more critical of the Bible's permissivity toward polygamy.

Even among proponents of capital punishment, many of the crimes which the Bible records as punishable by death are not currently regarded as deserving of this penalty.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_Bible

List of capital crimes in the Torah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_capital_crimes_in_the_Bible