Is the hobby getting bigger?

[wetnose]

Read this off another site - thought it was interesting:

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Online dating sites have created a situation where 5% of the men are fucking 95% of the women. And it gets worse and worse every year.

Here's an example of what I mean: Back in the eighties and nineties, if you wanted to have sex, you had to go to a club, hang out, meet girls, chat them up, etc. The whole process was fairly involved and you might go months or even years without hooking up. In the club, there were only a few hundred regulars so everybody knew everybody. This also reduced your chances of 'hooking up.' For instance, a woman might be interested in having sex with you, but she wouldn't do it because it might impact her reputation negatively.

In 2018? All bets are off. You have millions of people on dating sites. Women aren't worried about their reputation, because the dating sites give them anonymity. This setup creates a situation where women can 'chase' after the best man possible. That, in turn, creates a situation where the top 1-5% of the men are getting the lion's share of the women.

The reason that all of this is happening is because online dating has basically dropped the price of admission to zero. Back in the 80s and 90s, people had to invest time and money to find sex. Due to that, there was an incentive for men to 'settle down' and there was an incentive for women to 'settle.' Online dating fucked that all up; now a good looking guy never has to settle, and women can't get guys to 'settle down.'

I've had a mistress for nearly a decade, and I hear her talk about this all the time. Basically she would've found a boyfriend or husband a decade ago, but she simply refuses to lower her standards. So she winds up on the carousel, dating guys for 1-3 dates and then they ghost her. A handful have stuck around to take advantage of the free vagina (like me) but she'll never have a boyfriend until she learns to settle.

Of course, all of this is good for hookers. When you have a huge chunk of the male population that isn't getting laid at all, it's good for business.

 

[badbadboy]

That's really interesting and makes total sense to me.

I've been encouraged to go on those dating sites by a female friend. I looked at it but just decided this hobby was too good to give up for something that was a lot of work for possibly limited results.

 

[take8easy]

I've had a mistress for nearly a decade, and I hear her talk about this all the time. .

Oh Man! I hate it when they talk all the time..

 

[johnnydepth]

The dating sites are great if you are willing to play the numbers. And they are large numbers. I contact hundreds, yes hundreds of women and end up with about a 5% success rate. But the longer you are at it the harder it gets because the influx of new women is very low compared to men.

 

[take8easy]

The dating sites are great if you are willing to play the numbers. And they are large numbers. I contact hundreds, yes hundreds of women and end up with about a 5% success rate. But the longer you are at it the harder it gets because the influx of new women is very low compared to men.

I tried about three and then stopped. Why? Because they started to ask for money.

I am married, have family and work... there is no way I want that crap ... I like pooning the way it is ... I find a lady I like, I message her, she messages back, we set up a date... an hour of fun .. if she is good I repeat, if not, then ... that's the end of that. I don't wanna carry baggage around AND pay just to be introduced to some chic that might even not be real .. like you said the rate is 5%.
In pooning my success rate is the other way .. it is 95%!!!

You do the math.

 

[badbadboy]

The dating sites are great if you are willing to play the numbers. And they are large numbers. I contact hundreds, yes hundreds of women and end up with about a 5% success rate. But the longer you are at it the harder it gets because the influx of new women is very low compared to men.

I can totally believe it. I was overwhelmed when I started checking them out. The volume of research vs potential for a decent date seemed like a ton of work online and I already spend a lot of work time online.

Checking out hundreds of profiles online reminds me of a guy in High School who wasn't the most social guy but had a steady resolve to get laid every weekend. His approach was pretty basic "wanna fuck?" He would ask probably about 20 girls every Friday and Saturday night; he got laid a hell of a lot more than the rest of us trying out our best smooth moves

I'll stick to walking my dog and being social with women who show an interest in my dog ound:

 

[take8easy]

I can totally believe it. I was overwhelmed when I started checking them out. The volume of research vs potential for a decent date seemed like a ton of work online and I already spend a lot of work time online.

Checking out hundreds of profiles online reminds me of a guy in High School who wasn't the most social guy but had a steady resolve to get laid every weekend. His approach was pretty basic "wanna fuck?" He would ask probably about 20 girls every Friday and Saturday night; he got laid a hell of a lot more than the rest of us trying out our best smooth moves

I'll stick to walking my dog and being social with women who show an interest in my dog ound:

Do you hear a lot of, "Is that your dog, or are you just really happy to see me?"

 

[moto2007]

This is the exact reason I recently joined this site! I tried every major single dating site last month, all at once.
I eventually got fed up of sending tons of messages to women. Since the sites are around 80 percent men anyways, I've decided they are a waste of time.

 

[87112]

Do tall guys need to even to go on dating sites, I always thought if you are over 6 feet tall its pretty automatic that dating is a piece of cake.

 

[Lets Review]

The taller you are, the easier it is. I call this my Wilt Chamberlain theory.

 

[UhOh]

Ive never been on a dating site, I meet women out in the real world at coffee shops or supermarkets or wherever. Just don't be weird and you're halfway there. I like the idea of one special girl over banging dozens more but banging dozens is a lot more fun. Occasionally I fall for the wrong girl or I screw it up and it doesn't work. You never know until after the fact which one you really liked.

 

[abjectpatient]

Don't agree at all. Personally, I have a very busy schedule and during the rare period that I do have free time I have a bad habit of just staying home and relaxing alone. If it wasn't for dating apps like Tinder I'd never get laid without paying for it. And no, I do not see myself as in the top 5% of men. Nor am I scrapping at the bottom 5% (the numbers wouldn't add up in that case).

There is a few problems with this argument.

First, it would seem that the OP is an man 40 to 50+ trying to understand a young mans reality, through a young woman of all things.

It assumes fasely that dating apps have allowed for women to date outside their league, but I'd say that outside of some very rare circumstances, all the women I've met are very much in my area of average. They may get matches with men outsides their league, but men can be picky too--if you can bang 8-10s all the time with little effort, you're not even going to lift a finger for a 1-5. I'd get in my car, drive across the city to Delta if it meant banging my dream woman. But average, to below average, maybe the best I could do is invite them over, and if thats no good, well PornHub is always great.

It assumes that the only reason people pay for sex is because they resort to paying since they can't get it for free. I am sure many would agree is false. Further, the economic argument makes no sense because if you can now and then come up with the money to pay for it, you could afford to pay a measly a few 20s for a dating service. I'll coincide that the barrier to entry has been lowered, opening up dating services for women, but the role of men being required to initiate conversation still remains, and the most desirable men had the pick of the liter in the past, and the have it now, the numbers never changed, dating apps didn't some how confuse women into thinking they are all worth of a Ryan Gosling. In fact, at the very least it can be accepted that all the attention any decent looking young women have been given in the past is the same now, and have fooled many into improperly estimating their position in the hierarchy.

Ultimately, the platforms may have changed, but the odds and outcomes are the same for both men and women.

 

[cheekz]

It assumes that the only reason people pay for sex is because they resort to paying since they can't get it for free. I am sure many would agree is false. Further, the economic argument makes no sense because if you can now and then come up with the money to pay for it, you could afford to pay a measly a few 20s for a dating service. I'll coincide that the barrier to entry has been lowered, opening up dating services for women, but the role of men being required to initiate conversation still remains, and the most desirable men had the pick of the liter in the past, and the have it now, the numbers never changed, dating apps didn't some how confuse women into thinking they are all worth of a Ryan Gosling. In fact, at the very least it can be accepted that all the attention any decent looking young women have been given in the past is the same now, and have fooled many into improperly estimating their position in the hierarchy.

The problem with dating apps is that just about any woman can go on there and attract a large number of men. Lots of guys aren't picky, so if it looks female, you can bet there are guys all over it like flies on shit. For the average or below average guy, this makes it a complete waste of time because if she's got tonnes of guys to choose from, why on earth would she choose you? Women never experience the same problem. They're just looking for the best guy or the "real man" out of all the desperate losers constantly hitting on them.

 

[ParadiseChaser]

There is a lot more to dating than just "fucking" so if sex is all you want out of a relationship then yes seeing an SP is the easier and possibly cheaper choice.

 

[johnnydepth]

Dating sites have really evolved into pickup sites over the years. Before they used to have a large questionnaire, profile write up, photos, and perhaps even an interview video. You could get some sense of the person beyond the physical. Now, it's swipe left/swipe right. Of course some sites still have content, but a lot of it is based on looks so a person deemed attractive is likely to have better results or at least more people interested. However, for men I would suggest you still have to take the initiative.
I read a study on dating sites where they did "catfishing". They took photos of attractive women, set up profiles and waited to see the response. These women received hundreds of emails every day during the study. They did the same thing with photos of attractive men and for the first few days they received a few emails each and then it quickly trickled off to nothing. Just shows even the good looking guys have to put in the effort.

 

[johnsmit]

The little bit that by was on dating site told me that half the girls shown on them are planted by the dating site..and most of the mail you get is just to get you to sign up. Once you sign up and pay .The mail stops and none of them reply to you . They are scams.
Yah so you waste a lot of time for nothing.

Then again I just might not be the dating Kind of guy..i was thinking about that today.And asking why don't I have dates or any relation ship accept with escort.
I fig there just something missing in me to make it work .

 

[johnsmit]

As per topic.. I don't think the escort business is getting bigger..lots of girls but fewer clients. Let alone not many have $200 to $250 to spare.
What I do here about is cheep guys wanting BJs for $60 or car dates.. Not the most ideal clientele for a make a business boom

 

[bdan]

In my opinion the only thing increasing is the amount of females willing to escort and the services they are willing to provide.

You don't need to go back very far in history to see it has gotten more affordable as well.

In the 80's it was 300\hr for no tongue, CFS and if you were lucky, you could touch their boob. That was it.

Add in that, while it is still frowned on, society is MUCH more permissive in general.

 

[Equity Market investor]

In my opinion the only thing increasing is the amount of females willing to escort

Perb member base is definitely growing no doubt, but, you would think a huge influx of ladies would be jumping onto perb as well? I don't see that many here.? Except a vast variety of " touring ladies". Local lady wise.....no much at all in my view.

Leo list is pretty much dominated by Asian's lol.

 

[Crookedmember]

I snag my ladies at Walmart. They outnumber the men by 20 to 1, and they're already there looking for crap they don't need.