Is it really this bad? (SP life)

[mistressfreyja]

That's huny-PI to you!

Is it really this bad? (SP life)


Could always be worse... one could have huny's life.

 

[Krustee]

Never really got any or much of a response to this I wonder what others have experienced or think with regard to these particular points below:

Especially the last point.

Most of these women would not give you the time of the day if you were not paying for their congeniality.

Ya wanna see how much they care?
Loan an escort $1000 & see how long it takes to get the money back!

After loaning money to those who absolutely begged me to help them - I've only been paid back once.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying all gals are like that I'm just saying that most are in my experience.

It does not matter how nice YOU are ...
it matters how nice they are.



It is rare indeed Odette that a gal has her head on well enough to survive the occasional trying times in this industry.

I agree with you that there is chance & choice that affects the outcome for a provider.
As you say, "playing it safer" is what makes the difference in my opinion.

Some gals take this to the extreme & others do not take it serious enough or at all.
It just adds to the risk you are placing yourself in when you do not make intelligent choices on who you see & how you ply your trade.



Wow sailor, you sound like an authority here.

I don't think divorce rates would skyrocket personally.

Let's keep in mind that while the men are cheating on their wives, in this day & age you have a lot of the wives cheating on their husbands too.

Being faithful to your spouse seems to be some kind of fairy tale to the "Y" generation.


Like I have said before, you are selling something that was never meant to be sold.

Human intimacy is a gift it's not a commodity!

If you gotta bust a nut then go for it but let's not make out like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread!

Making love to the person you love is the greatest thing there is.

Busting your nut in some stranger you had to pay is just hedonism with a price tag.


I can certainly imagine a wife, who may or may not be Christian, being upset enough to want you dead if she found out her husband was fucking you though.

I guess you would not mind at all if you found the reason your husband stopped having sex with you is because he was sleeping with a paid provider eh?

I especially can see how understanding you would be when you found out he spent the money you needed to buy school clothes for the kids on a hooker - right ...
you would be understanding of his needs wouldn't you?



That is all

 

[mistressfreyja]

I'm a nice person in life. I was raised to be concerned about others, and my impact on others. Compassion and empathy were more important than materiality.

I think YOU might be surprised to know that I am a genuinely nice person, whether or not I am getting paid. Getting paid isn't who or what I am. I'm just me. And don't think that I haven't given thought to myself, my safety, my longevity, my health, my relationships, my impact on others....If I didn't think, I probably would sleep like a baby.

But, I am not going to accept that I am the sole cause of anyone's relationship breaking up. I'm not to blame for issues between others. I'm only responsible for me. EVER.

I can sense your hostility towards this industry in general. Sometimes it seems to be directly aimed at the women, but the more I read your writing, it seems you are frustrated with the industry in it's entirety.

I could very well be wrong. Thanks for humoring my psychoanalysis. I'm happy to accept that I am completely wrong about this.

Not all escorts fit in the same bubble. Think of us like a Venn diagram....some overlap, but there is always independence of the others. You've directly experienced this. So, can we please stop painting everyone to be the same?

Never really got any or much of a response to this I wonder what others have experienced or think with regard to these particular points below:

Especially the last point.

 

[maroonedsailor]

originally posted by Krustee - I especially can see how understanding you would be when you found out he spent the money you needed to buy school clothes for the kids on a hooker - right ...you would be understanding of his needs wouldn't you?

grins - I can just see all the married with children guys thinking Hmmmmmmm maybe if I TOLD her I was thinking of spending the money for school clothes on hookers she might loosen up and.......yeah - that's it - that's the ticket LOL

PS I'm not an authority - I did spend 5 years as a divorce mediator before I burned out.............other than that I just have opinions LOL

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Never really got any or much of a response to this I wonder what others have experienced or think with regard to these particular points below:

Especially the last point.

ok, lemme see here krustee while i look up that last point...

That is all.

oh, hey... ya i'm right with you on that one krustee - good on ya



(you make it too easy my man... cheers, vcc )

 

[maroonedsailor]

You are a darling girl - A true B.I.T.C.H. - Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, Charismatic and Horney - that's my opinion and obviously the only one that matters

I'm a nice person in life. I was raised to be concerned about others, and my impact on others. Compassion and empathy were more important than materiality.

I think YOU might be surprised to know that I am a genuinely nice person, whether or not I am getting paid. Getting paid isn't who or what I am. I'm just me. And don't think that I haven't given thought to myself, my safety, my longevity, my health, my relationships, my impact on others....If I didn't think, I probably would sleep like a baby.

But, I am not going to accept that I am the sole cause of anyone's relationship breaking up. I'm not to blame for issues between others. I'm only responsible for me. EVER.

I can sense your hostility towards this industry in general. Sometimes it seems to be directly aimed at the women, but the more I read your writing, it seems you are frustrated with the industry in it's entirety.

I could very well be wrong. Thanks for humoring my psychoanalysis. I'm happy to accept that I am completely wrong about this.

Not all escorts fit in the same bubble. Think of us like a Venn diagram....some overlap, but there is always independence of the others. You've directly experienced this. So, can we please stop painting everyone to be the same?

 

[Krustee]

I'm a nice person in life. I was raised to be concerned about others, and my impact on others. Compassion and empathy were more important than materiality.

I think YOU might be surprised to know that I am a genuinely nice person, whether or not I am getting paid. Getting paid isn't who or what I am. I'm just me. And don't think that I haven't given thought to myself, my safety, my longevity, my health, my relationships, my impact on others....If I didn't think, I probably would sleep like a baby.

But, I am not going to accept that I am the sole cause of anyone's relationship breaking up. I'm not to blame for issues between others. I'm only responsible for me. EVER.

I have no doubt that you are a nice person & I have heard as much about you from others, however, when it comes to plying your trade have you ever mistreated a client or not appreciated the money he was spending for your services thus attempting to rush him out the door?

What about if you were married & found out your husband was seeing an escort?

Would that bother you at all or would you be happy for him?

What if he was spending money that you needed for the kids on an SP?

Seriously, I would like to know what your & other SP's thoughts are on this.

I can sense your hostility towards this industry in general. Sometimes it seems to be directly aimed at the women, but the more I read your writing, it seems you are frustrated with the industry in it's entirety.

I could very well be wrong. Thanks for humoring my psychoanalysis. I'm happy to accept that I am completely wrong about this.

Not all escorts fit in the same bubble. Think of us like a Venn diagram....some overlap, but there is always independence of the others. You've directly experienced this. So, can we please stop painting everyone to be the same?

Not everyone is the same but I do know that there are some on here are are afraid to speak up about any bad experiences for fear of the other escorts not seeing them as a client.

I like to think that I have paid my dues as a pooner & having paid those dues for over 15 years it gives me the right to speak openly & honestly about what I have experienced.

I would not call my attitude toward this industry 'hostility'.

I postulate that my commentary & disposition with regard to prostitution is more a matter of righteous indignation.

And I feel this way because despite the many slights against me & some of them were serious & criminal, despite all this I continue to help those in need.

What I will not do, however, is bite my tongue like I used to do before.

I have earned the right to speak out & I think it is high time that somebody spoke loud & clear defending the pooners out there who have experienced the same injustice & insults I have.


I hope that all the escorts who read this will encourage their fellow SP's to act in a more ethical & benevolent manner when entertaining clients.


These guys work hard to earn just one hour of your time.
Treat the good ones good & report the bad ones.


That is all.

 

[maroonedsailor]

I have no doubt that you are a nice person & I have heard as much about you from others, however, when it comes to plying your trade have you ever mistreated a client or not appreciated the money he was spending for your services thus attempting to rush him out the door?

What about if you were married & found out your husband was seeing an escort?

Would that bother you at all or would you be happy for him?

What if he was spending money that you needed for the kids on an SP?

Seriously, I would like to know what your & other SP's thoughts are on this.




Not everyone is the same but I do know that there are some on here are are afraid to speak up about any bad experiences for fear of the other escorts not seeing them as a client.

I like to think that I have paid my dues as a pooner & having paid those dues for over 15 years it gives me the right to speak openly & honestly about what I have experienced.

I would not call my attitude toward this industry 'hostility'.

I postulate that my commentary & disposition with regard to prostitution is more a matter of righteous indignation.

And I feel this way because despite the many slights against me & some of them were serious & criminal, despite all this I continue to help those in need.

What I will not do, however, is bite my tongue like I used to do before.

I have earned the right to speak out & I think it is high time that somebody spoke loud & clear defending the pooners out there who have experienced the same injustice & insults I have.


I hope that all the escorts who read this will encourage their fellow SP's to act in a more ethical & benevolent manner when entertaining clients.


These guys work hard to earn just one hour of your time.
Treat the good ones good & report the bad ones.


That is all.

K - please tell me how any of what you ask matters - everyone makes their own decisions and if the man chooses to spend family money satifying urges clearly not satisied at home, it isn't logical to find fault with an SP any more than it would be to beat up his girlfriend. IN FACT it likely costs much more to wine and dine the girlfriend. I've had a love affair with working girls since I was a kid (lost my virginity to a puerto Rican club girl at 19) and in spite of having some not so great experiences, I've never found more honest, genuine women than SP's. IN FACT I include my mother and sister in that opinion, since neither of them has a lock on truth and honesty either. I love women in general, have a ton of woman aquaintances, date who I care to date most of the time, have the usual male moments of stress and doubt and overall I have a good relationship with the opposite sex. Having said all that, I see working girls in the same light as I do preachers. Some are good, some are awful and some should be recommended for sainthood. Ya pays ya nickle and ya takes ya chances.
Like my nephew says - "life is like a box of slugs - pretty cool but sometimes you get slimed"

 

[Harmony-bc]

LOL, you sure dont know much about Christ. First and foremost He would pass judgement, that is exactly what He does, and are you sure you want His way to healing hearts and minds? He said to pluck out an eye or cut off an arm if it causes you to sin, as for a life calling, He said to leave friends, family, whoever, sell and renounce everything you own and follow him. The reason Christians who follow His teachings do less is because it really is a sacrifice and hard price to persevere.

First of all, I'm agnostic, probably more inclined to be an Athiest, but I have an open mind. More inclined to beilieve in aliens visiting us all those years ago, and in our primitive minds, we made them into a god, but over all, I don't know.

There are 9 videos in total, you can watch them one after another on youtube. They make a lot of sense and are extremely fascinating. It was a long time agto, and I wasn't there, so I'm reserving judgment. No tin foil hats for me yet, lol

Anyways, Man wrote the bible. The ten commandants were supposedly gods words spoken to Moses. The rest of it is mans need to control. Christ was the worlds first hippie. He preached non violence. He was friends with all kinds of sinners.

K - please tell me how any of what you ask matters - everyone makes their own decisions and if the man chooses to spend family money satifying urges clearly not satisied at home, it isn't logical to find fault with an SP any more than it would be to beat up his girlfriend. IN FACT it likely costs much more to wine and dine the girlfriend. I've had a love affair with working girls since I was a kid (lost my virginity to a puerto Rican club girl at 19) and in spite of having some not so great experiences, I've never found more honest, genuine women than SP's. IN FACT I include my mother and sister in that opinion, since neither of them has a lock on truth and honesty either. I love women in general, have a ton of woman aquaintances, date who I care to date most of the time, have the usual male moments of stress and doubt and overall I have a good relationship with the opposite sex. Having said all that, I see working girls in the same light as I do preachers. Some are good, some are awful and some should be recommended for sainthood. Ya pays ya nickle and ya takes ya chances.
Like my nephew says - "life is like a box of slugs - pretty cool but sometimes you get slimed"

You are very awesome. I just felt the need to tell you that.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Harmony......you remind me of that bimbo bar star who's too dumb to differentiate between a cock and a breathalizer. Way to go dumb whore. Sorry for interupting your anal cum pump session.

Rude, stupid and uncalled for - obviously your only interest is to stir shit and I heartily recommend further posts from you be ignored until the mods remove you altogether

 

[maroonedsailor]

You are pretty awesome your own self ;-) - yes I notice lol

First of all, I'm agnostic, probably more inclined to be an Athiest, but I have an open mind. More inclined to beilieve in aliens visiting us all those years ago, and in our primitive minds, we made them into a god, but over all, I don't know.

There are 9 videos in total, you can watch them one after another on youtube. They make a lot of sense and are extremely fascinating. It was a long time agto, and I wasn't there, so I'm reserving judgment. No tin foil hats for me yet, lol

Anyways, Man wrote the bible. The ten commandants were supposedly gods words spoken to Moses. The rest of it is mans need to control. Christ was the worlds first hippie. He preached non violence. He was friends with all kinds of sinners.



You are very awesome. I just felt the need to tell you that.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Harmony......you remind me of that bimbo bar star who's too dumb to differentiate between a cock and a breathalizer. Way to go dumb whore. Sorry for interupting your anal cum pump session.

You're just mad at me, because I gave you the benefit of the doubt a few times, and then I realized you were a troll and started responding accordingly. Most little boys respond to their feelings getting hurt, by pulling a girls hair or something.

I would put you on ignore, but I have a feeling the mods are going to ban you soon, so why waste the energy.

 

[Fractals]

When I first started there were all sorts of gals walking around New West & Burnaby so the first year I just saw a girl by parking off the road & discreetly signal her to come over.

During that year I found out about the "Seymour Girls" downtown Vancouver.

They took me for literally over a couple thousand cuz I was stupid enough to try out several of them thinking one would be different than the others - NOPE!

I spent $600 on a lousy BJ one night cuz EVERYTHING was an up-sell!

After a year I met one who I saw frequently she was cool & we clicked.

Saw her for 4 years & occasionally made trips to the "High Track" & mid track to see if there were some non-skanky ones to check out.

Ended up meeting a mixed bag -
some nice (50%)
some vice (50%)

So it was a wash, I still had a regular to fall back on.

After the regular moved on I began seeing gals out of The Georgia Straight & Monday Mag when in Victoria.
A few of them were nice but the rest were lackluster & clearly not enjoying the job.

So in a nutshell out of the approximately 300 gals I've seen I would say that 30 were well worth it.
7 really impressed me.
20 were so - so
And all the rest were a waste of time & money!

Some of those of course were blatant rip-offs, bait & switch, take the money & run, really BAD attitude & some were just fucking NUTS!


That's why I appreciate a good SP when I find one.

Those few who really make a clients experience a wonderful event are what keeps me hopeful & should be proud of what they do.

That is all.

That's a sad story you got there Krustee. I can now understand where you are coming from.

Do you think things have changed a lot now that we have Perb?

Can you tell us more about the characteristics of the 7 impressive gals in your list? Were they independent SPs? How did you find out about them?

You seem to remember 27 of the 300 you said you've been with. That's about 10% percent which seems close to what looks like the proportion of SPs who should be free from most issues that plague SPs. Because the number of SPs you've seen so far is also quite large, I'm inclined to think that you've got the numbers right unless you are lying or you really have a predilection for (in which case your sample is biased) choosing bad sps. It is statistically improbable (not impossible, though) given the large number of SPs you've seen so far that you've seen 270 forgettable or bad SPs out of sheer bad luck or chance. Maybe you are right or maybe you just happen to like making bad choices.

Perhaps the proportion of SPs that you find impressive - the cream of the crop - would have characteristics that resemble many of the independent and well-reviewed SPs here in Perb.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Originally posted by Krustee


They took me for literally over a couple thousand cuz I was stupid enough to try out several of them thinking one would be different than the others - NOPE!

I spent $600 on a lousy BJ one night cuz EVERYTHING was an up-sell!

And you went for it because???????????
Uh huh - that's right Mr. you have no control over your lil head and that makes you a target for the kind of women you seem to frequent

 

[Krustee]

Originally posted by Krustee

They took me for literally over a couple thousand cuz I was stupid enough to try out several of them thinking one would be different than the others - NOPE!

I spent $600 on a lousy BJ one night cuz EVERYTHING was an up-sell!

And you went for it because???????????
Uh huh - that's right Mr. you have no control over your lil head and that makes you a target for the kind of women you seem to frequent

All this time on here & you STILL cannot figure out how to use the quote button?

*shakes head*

Yeah that's right, I thought with my "lil head" the same way that 98% of the rest of the guys do in this world when it comes to women.

You sound surprised & disgusted MS?

Did you not ever put 2 & 2 together to figure out this trait of men before?

If I had been thinking rationally I would not have seen an SP in the first place!

And there is the rub eh?

Women know men get horny & they take full advantage of it.

Nobody ever says anything negative about them taking advantage of the dudes.

They just sit back & talk of how stupid men are & laugh with their girl friends about it.

As if deliberately ripping off dudes is perfectly acceptable as long as you are female.

I know where you are coming from & trust me I've since learned from the mistakes of my past.

 

[maroonedsailor]

All this time on here & you STILL cannot figure out how to use the quote button?

*shakes head*

Yeah that's right, I thought with my "lil head" the same way that 98% of the rest of the guys do in this world when it comes to women.

You sound surprised & disgusted MS?

Did you not ever put 2 & 2 together to figure out this trait of men before?

If I had been thinking rationally I would not have seen an SP in the first place!

And there is the rub eh?

Women know men get horny & they take full advantage of it.

Nobody ever says anything negative about them taking advantage of the dudes.

They just sit back & talk of how stupid men are & laugh with their girl friends about it.

As if deliberately ripping off dudes is perfectly acceptable as long as you are female.

I know where you are coming from & trust me I've since learned from the mistakes of my past.

LMAO - I selected specific text to answer a specific statement so give up on shaking your poor old head Mr no control over my dick. I'm not disgusted in the least. I am however disapointed that a mature man blames women for his inability to control his hormonal frenzy. Yes I know it's Gods cruel little joke but damn Krustee you are way out of line to blame someone for taking advantage of your weakness and your laziness in not learning some self control. It's been happening for thousands of years and the spoils go to the men who CAN control the dick. You are such a willing little whining victim.........pitiful man - just pitiful

 

[maroonedsailor]

Please reconcile these two statements if you will. Kurt Godel would roll over in his grave.

How is empathy not compatible with not being responsible for another persons experience? Just because she is a feeling, loving, kind and generous person does not make her in any way responsible for anyone elses life. Stupid comment - go to your room

 

[Krustee]

LMAO - I selected specific text to answer a specific statement so give up on shaking your poor old head Mr no control over my dick. I'm not disgusted in the least. I am however disapointed that a mature man blames women for his inability to control his hormonal frenzy. Yes I know it's Gods cruel little joke but damn Krustee you are way out of line to blame someone for taking advantage of your weakness and your laziness in not learning some self control. It's been happening for thousands of years and the spoils go to the men who CAN control the dick. You are such a willing little whining victim.........pitiful man - just pitiful

Holy shit MS, you are actually proving my point!

Just because guys get horny & you offer a service does not mean you are allowed to offer one thing then deliver another with that service.

It's called deception & extortion for Christ sakes woman!

Hoodwinking, scamming, conning, duping & fraud are not OK just because your client happens to be a male & horny!

For fuck sakes woman what the hell did your parents teach you if anything?

The man is not to blame if he accepts an offer of service from a prostitute for a price then she renigs on the deal & starts charging for anything she thinks she can get.

These Seymour girls are known for their shady practice & on any given weekend will swindle at least 30 guys looking for sex.

Telling a guy that the service is $300 then getting in the car & telling him the room will be an additional $100 & if he wants kissing that's an additional $75 & the $300 is only for her time but if he wants a BJ it will be an additional $200 & full service is $200 on top of that.

I kid you not I have actually had this told to me by some of them.

How the hell is it the guys fault when a SP is pulling this kind of scam on the clients?

Susi - what is your opinion?

Do you think this kind of business practice does anything to further the cause for legitimacy of prostitution in Canada?

Do you condone women ripping off their clients if they think they can get away with it?

Would this type of practice qualify those SP's for a BBB rating?

You are no better than those who are ripping off guys maroonedsailor if you think that the guy is to blame for accepting an offer of service then not receive what was offered.

It's called fraud MS & it is illegal!

Even more illegal than the taxes they don't pay.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Ah but not quite so Mr Krustee - first off my dicks bigger than your dick and secondly women do not have a monopoly on taking advantage of mooches. Sales organizations, politicians, churches and the list goes on PT Barnum claimed there was a sucker born every minute and you my lad are a sucker. Blame not the Ford Motor Company because you bought an Edsel - You are so small to whine and blame women for your own short commings - Oh poor me - I'm such a victim and you are sooooo mean to take advantage of my weakness. Damn man - u need a weekend with Justin Sterling to get a hold of your balls - No it's never fun to get ripped off or taken advantage of but Jesus man - you stand in front of a moving train and then decide it's the trains fault you stood on the tracks? Ya pays ya nickle and ya takes ya chances - Grow up and grow a pair. You know the risks going in - you don't like the game then don't friggin play - stay home and jerk off

Holy shit MS, you are actually proving my point!

Just because guys get horny & you offer a service does not mean you are allowed to offer one thing then deliver another with that service.

It's called deception & extortion for Christ sakes woman!

Hoodwinking, scamming, conning, duping & fraud are not OK just because your client happens to be a male & horny!

For fuck sakes woman what the hell did your parents teach you if anything?

The man is not to blame if he accepts an offer of service from a prostitute for a price then she renigs on the deal & starts charging for anything she thinks she can get.

These Seymour girls are known for their shady practice & on any given weekend will swindle at least 30 guys looking for sex.

Telling a guy that the service is $300 then getting in the car & telling him the room will be an additional $100 & if he wants kissing that's an additional $75 & the $300 is only for her time but if he wants a BJ it will be an additional $200 & full service is $200 on top of that.

I kid you not I have actually had this told to me by some of them.

How the hell is it the guys fault when a SP is pulling this kind of scam on the clients?

Susi - what is your opinion?

Do you think this kind of business practice does anything to further the cause for legitimacy of prostitution in Canada?

Do you condone women ripping off their clients if they think they can get away with it?

Would this type of practice qualify those SP's for a BBB rating?

You are no better than those who are ripping off guys maroonedsailor if you think that the guy is to blame for accepting an offer of service then not receive what was offered.

It's called fraud MS & it is illegal!

Even more illegal than the taxes they don't pay.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Not at all. Did I touch a nerve Sparky? Didn't say she was responsible, but if she has concern for others, that may impact some of the choices she makes. Right Sparky? Now go back to cheating on your wife.

Better spend some more time reading Godels before you use him to lend credibility to a specious argument
And YES you did hit a nerve - I abhor stupid people.