While I understand why you deem this information more reliable than others (an assessment that I agree with), this is merely one datapoint. If you're going to extrapolate from this one data point (ice-roads) the reality or lack thereof of global warming you have a different problem. The ice roads are not the entire world and tell us nothing about what is going on with the world's climate.
Is Global Warming a Scam?
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While I understand why you deem this information more reliable than others (an assessment that I agree with), this is merely one datapoint. If you're going to extrapolate from this one data point (ice-roads) the reality or lack thereof of global warming you have a different problem. The ice roads are not the entire world and tell us nothing about what is going on with the world's climate.
No, I’m not; you’re just trying to change it when I showed the flaw in your reasoning. Your whole argument is that Global Warming is not caused by manmade activity and, therefore, a scam. Your lines of reasoning have been shown to be illogical as well as ridiculously implausible; without them, everything else falls apart.
You mean like a handful of scientists on the oil companies payroll? No. However, it strains credulity to see how thousands of scientist over decades have been able falsify thousands of studies with no one the wiser since that is what would be necessary to pull this off. A handful of faulty studies? Sure, I’ve seen them. Thousands or even hundreds purposely falsified? No. If you can believe that, you can keep wearing your tin foil hat.
Right, it’s religion. But not like you, who believe that it’s a big conspiracy of thousands of scientists. No siree, you’re the embodiment of staid, rational thinking.
No they’re not; you’re just making stuff up now.
Oh right, non-lefty publications only on this thread.
Oh, please. And The American Thinker isn’t? So it’s ok for you to use Wikipedia as a source for information when it suits you but when I find information on it that throws your argument out the window, it’s biased. Talk about cherry picking.
I think what’s more telling that you’ve had to resort to the ad hominem as opposed to addressing the content of the article.
Sheepish? About the fact that your own article still states that despite the flaws, the conclusions of the IPCC report of anthropogenic climate change still remain valid? No.
Or that the discrepancies have already been accounted for (let me guess, the guardian is no longer Krustee approved now)? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/15/ipcc-errors-facts-spin
Or that, out of over 18,000 publications and studies reviewed, we have a handful of flaws, which, when corrected and accounted for, still do nothing to invalidate Global Warming Theory? Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.
As opposed to you, who believe in the collusion of thousands of scientists in unrelated fields of research to falsify thousands of studies over the course of decades? Every argument that has been presented has been soundly refuted and you’ve come up with no answer save to recycle through different variations of the three categories of argument that I described in my original post.
You’ve gone from the “Al Gore is a hypocrite” to “they were wrong before, they must be wrong now” to the grand conspiracy theory to the use of straw men to climategate, scrambling from one argument to the next each time your fallacious logic has been exposed. That is the epitome of religious zealotry. And I’m not the one that’s being contradicted by the very articles that I’m citing; it’s not my fault you can’t read.
If anything, you’ve done little more except to illustrate your inability to think logically, put things into perspective or even display basic reading comprehension.
aznboi9 has pretty much dissected every flaw in any argument that can be created against "global warming." You could say everything is about money, but the vast majority of scientists I know on a personal and professional level believe in what they are doing. And trust me, they are not doing it for any sort of money. They get paid and lead a modest life, but most would not change fields for even double their salary. Falsifying reports and conducting phony research is so contrary to a scientist's beliefs that it just cannot possibly happen on the level that you're implying. Spend some time in academia and you will know this.
And by the way, science is about as far from religion as you can get. To compare the two is completely and utterly ridiculous.
And by the way, science is about as far from religion as you can get. To compare the two is completely and utterly ridiculous.
Maybe the thread should have been titled "Is the Kyoto Accord a Great Big Scam"
Then the discussion could focus on the scam aspect of the debate and not on whether or not it is actually getting warmer (which is irrelevant)
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
1) Cancer kills people
2) Lots of people get Cancer
3) The answer for Cancer is Island-Guy's magical mountain spring water, for $10 a bottle
So, if someone asked "Is Island-Guy's magical mountain spring water a scam" ? would people be arguing about whether or not cancer kills people? Would they be arguing about whether or not people get cancer?
Kyoto and the left-wing social engineering economist positions on global warming are all SCAMS
Then the discussion could focus on the scam aspect of the debate and not on whether or not it is actually getting warmer (which is irrelevant)
Here's an example of what I'm talking about.
1) Cancer kills people
2) Lots of people get Cancer
3) The answer for Cancer is Island-Guy's magical mountain spring water, for $10 a bottle
So, if someone asked "Is Island-Guy's magical mountain spring water a scam" ? would people be arguing about whether or not cancer kills people? Would they be arguing about whether or not people get cancer?
Kyoto and the left-wing social engineering economist positions on global warming are all SCAMS
I get from your entire post that you agree that Global Climate Change is not a scam but any atempt to get people out of the reliance on the causes of global warming are scams?
I think you are saying that anyone who agrees that global warming is a fact and offering a solution to change the world reliance on the causes of global warming are left-wing social engineers?
Kind of confused on your point
The emails that were hacked show nothing other than the agianst side is is willing to go to any length in an attempt to discredit and then to take quotes out of context to discredit.
If what you're saying is we need binding agreements to regulate levels to a meaningful extent, then I agree 100%. At the end of the day, laws and price rule everything. People have known about global warming for a long time now, but they only starting giving up on their gas guzzlers when oil shot up to $150/barrel. We need more of that. We need to more accurately price our energy to reflect the damage they cause.
GLOBAL WARMING is a FRAUD!!!! Humans DO NOT effect the CLIMATE. THE SUN DOES.
Lord Monckton will explain it......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WawButqIc
Lord Monckton will explain it......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8WawButqIc
India and China together account for more than half of the total GHG emissions of the entire planet.
Those two countries were completely excluded from having any emissions limits, targets, restrictions or costs.
Anything that increases production costs in other countries, like the EU or Canada, just moves the production and the emissions to China or India, making NO difference globally.
So, the Kyoto Accord was a big SCAM, anyone proposing that limits be placed on some countries but then leaving out the world's biggest emitters, is a SCAM.
Same limits/rules for everyone, or SCAM. It's just that simple.
I can see your point but also see the other sides hidden agenda in doing that. To move much of the emissions to countries unable/unwilling to create new technologies required giving developed countries a head start in the creation of new technologies which they will be able to sell to developing countries when Kyoto was to move into the second stage.
In reality with or with out Kyoto, free trade means these industries will likely move to developing countries for the cheaper labour, and unless developed countries are willing to compete with those labour rates then the industry is moving anyway, the excuse of lighter emission standards is just a cover up for the real reason. Developing nations are unwilling and unable to compete with labour rates in India and China so we need to create new industries that require skilled labour and innovation.
Canada is sitting in a pretty good position, as long as we keep our tree-huggers at bay.
We have everything we need to run a healthy resource/energy based economy, as long as we don't let left wing governments give it all up for no good reason.
The LAST thing we need in Canada is more Ontario (ie: manufacturing based economy), now if only Ontario would figure that out.
We may currently get medical isotopes from Australia but the reactor at Chalk River will be operational again soon and will be running.....though it IS taking a long time (it has now been down for 1 year)
I think the debacle of the isotope crisis is total BS.The crisis happened during the Conservatives mandate and they got the blame...yet the crisis was inherited from the liberals ( you cant say thet with 3 majority governments and 1 minority government that they were not aware of the condition of the reactor)
Back to the topic of the thread:global warming is a SCAM....it is a wealth transfer and a means for highly placed people to make themselves RICH at the expense of the brainwashed masses.
SR
In the short term we are sitting good but once we have shipped the majority of our resources off to other countries then we have nothing to offer. I did not call for a manufacturing base economy, free trade and cheaper labour pretty much eliminate that possibility for the most part. But what we need is educated individuals coming up with innovations, we manufacture the first batch and the components required to manufacturer the product during the stage where the profit is high and the labour skill required to fabricate is high. Once the product becomes simple and mass production occurs it gets shipped off shore where someone is willing to manufacture it at a labout cost of less than a $1 an hour. That was the potential of Kyoto, opening up new avenues of innovation rather than closing the door as the Conservatives did.
As for the Chalk River debacle, Harper was well informed of the issue and decided to fire the women instead of finding a solution, that happened well before this current shut down. The Liberals were aware of the issues of the aging reactor, they invested into the MAPLE type reactors which have proven more difficult than originally thought, and now it seems as though Harper has just moth balled it even though the scientist believe they are close. If Harper had listened to Linda Keen rather than firing her for speaking the truth then he would have been able to inform the Isotope industry of a potentially long term shut down of the Chalk River and looked at other options available, but he has done nothing because selling off AECL is his agenda. Harper deserves the fault on that one, deflecting it onto Chretien may sell well in Conservative country, but the facts don't add up to that conclusion.
There is no way that the liberals did not see the problem.....they ignored it....and it was foisted upon the Conservatives as it was convenient and easy.....as for the MAPLE reactors....they are the reason that the government wants to divest itself from the nuclear industry......the 2 reactors are a GIANT sink for tax payers cash....much like the long gun registry......another 2 billion wasted with no results as criminals dont commit register the firearms they use to commit crimes.
Must be nice to live on the "left coast"....where a scumbag like Vander Zalm can be driven out of office and the NDP take over the job....only to be dogged by the scandals down the road such as "hydrogate"...."Bingogate" and others......BC provincial politics is a JOKE....the current regime is the "Liberals" and they are "Liberal" in name only.
And right now a concearned group of citizens are trying to collect signatures to repeal the dreaded HST....good luck on that.....the BC government wants the cash and the citizens are screwed LOL....welcome to BC......BC= Bring Cash
SR
Clearly you are blinded by right wing propaganda and unwilling to discuss the topic with out tossing around conservative war room talking points, sorry but I have no desire discussing something with someone who is so ignoring the facts of our recent history.
That is just more neoconservative propaganda and ignorance of the last 20 years in Canada. Good luck with the discussion you two, it is clear that anyone slightly left of Harper is some nut bar left wing socialist in your opinions.
I have no clue who Joe King is or how that fits into this discussion. I dd not call you any names but your insistence in using examples of extreme leftist in society as to why your point is valid is not worthy of any discussion. Look at your previous response, the second line that the Liberals did nothing is a lie, they invested in the MAPLE reactor and that same design is currently working in South Korea. If you are going to lie to make your point then why discuss a topic with you, I have no desire to rebut lies, and now you bring the NAZI party into this WTF?
Reasoned debate is not possible with these kinds of people
Wow, I thought Krustee was loony; but this takes the cake.
I have said it before and I will say it again...global warming is a SCAM..... it comes down to a cadre of people whose goal is to enrich their own position by using scare tactics/fearmongering towards the easily led sheep of the world with BS rhetoric and false information......this latest leak of emails from this group only proves this further.
SR
I care when tax dollars are spent on wastefull shite to appease the left wing agenda...like those bleeding heart protesters that have occupied various city/public owned properties to espouse their self righteous propaganda.....I care when a liberal such as that douchebag stephan dion offers up a "green shift" BS disguised version of the NEP when the final result is a crippling of the oil drilling in Alberta to which the trickle down effect is less money in my pocket......just to appease a bunch of sheep that have no minds and believe what they are told and believe in it more firmly than a bible thumping minister.....yeah I care about that a lot.....the Kyoto protocol was 1 thing and 1 thing only.....it was jean chretien's legacy.....truth be told the legacy's of Canadian PM's are pretty much the most detrimental thing to our country.
SR
The e-mails of a couple of guys does not disprove anything. Pretty much all climate scientists agree that the planet is warming and that this will have dire effects on human activity. What they disagree about is what exactly the cause is. A couple of paranoid activists in the mix does not make the work of everyone else in the field invalid.
