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First the IPCC scientist aren't all from the U.N.
Second, pollulants in the air are not just CO2. Ever heard of of carbon monoxide, benzene, ozone, flurocarbons, sulphur and god knows what else? Ya that sounds like a tasty treat. Please Sir can I have some more?
Third. I forgot to say to over-sized people as well. How about a bus? or drive a bigger car but just drive it smarter. Like not thru the drive thru. Car-pool with other fatties. Walk, it would be good for you. If we continue to mess up our water, soil and air everyone will be eating Solent Green. Can you guess who the first people harvested will be? Not the thin ones.
 

namssa

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Global warming is real, and so is global cooling.

They are both part of the natural cycles that the earth has and this has been going on forever. No need to worry as this is perfectly natural and NOT a man made condition.

Everyone can take off the aluminum foil hats and relax........whew!!
 

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Global warming is real, and so is global cooling.

They are both part of the natural cycles that the earth has and this has been going on forever. No need to worry as this is perfectly natural and NOT a man made condition.

Everyone can take off the aluminum foil hats and relax........whew!!
Right, but natural cycles can be exacerbated with human intervention, and that is what we are seeing. Humans use natural elements to make materials, genetically modify natural vegetation to increase size and production. This is no different. Humans are using the natural environment as a dump to satisfy all their needs and wants, and there are likely going to be consequences.

I can't stand it when people use this excuse. Everybody knows about the Ice Age and that natural cycles exist. The amount of man-made emissions is statistically significant enough impact the natural cycle to change global temperature by several degrees. If you don't believe that then you are ignoring fact. Before latching on to a conspiracy theory, do some actual research. And no, Glenn Beck does not count as research. Better yet, just think logically. Population, energy use per capita, food, materials usage are all increasing steadily. Is Earth an infinite resource?
 

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All the same, I suspect he is passionate about what he espouses. Whether we agree with him or not is mostly irrelevant. Those with passion tend not to worry too much about the monetary reward....they just enjoy their soapbox. And a world without passionate people would be...well...boring.
A while back when he was spouting off about glabal warming constantly, they did an energy audit of his massive mansion.

He uses about 20 times the electricity and 5 times the natural gas of the average house in his neighbourhood. There wasn't a single CFL bulb in his entire house.

All he is passionate about is MONEY
 

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Why do you get your information from a guy like Glen Beck?

The guy is an attention whore that draws little pictures to help people like you understand simple concepts like global warming.

He speaks to his audience like their 6 yr olds.

Do you enjoy listening to people who talk down to you?

The problem with global warming is simply this,

I can't prove to you there is global warming and you can't prove there isn't.

So you have to take a "reasonable best guess" based on the information you have.

And the best guess I have is that anyone who gets their information from and then forms an opinion on that information from Glen Beck is a moron.
I just love replying to posts by chili!!

So, c-boy - you say that Glen Beck is out to lunch, puerile & a simpleton eh?
Anyone who listens to him is a 'moron' eh?

Well, what pray tell are the facts in this little debate?

Okee dokee ...

Let's find some different sources for the info shall we?

BAMM!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...d-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

BAMM!!!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-...its-gore-profits-global-warming-plays-glenn-b

BAMM!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html

BAMM!!!
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528

BAMM!!!
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/03/03/al-gore-inconvenient-profit.php


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in reading the mojority of the threads...I'm guessing that the answer is no
 

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I wrote this a way back; but it still applies to this thread and I didn't feel like typing it out all over again so I just copied from my previous post.

It's apparent that there are some who have decided to make it their personal mission to convince us that they know better than the world's leading experts who have studied the earth and it's climate their whole lives and have published in leading, scientific journals. The arguments seem to fall into three general categories.

The first is a reliance on the public's lack of understanding of what the scientists are saying, thus allowing them to set up straw man (false) representations of the climate change argument that are then easily refuted. Examples include:

-”Of course the earth is warming, it's been warming since the last ice age”

-”If the earth is warming, then why is this the coldest winter ever” OR “If the earth is warming, why are these glaciers growing and these ones are shrinking” etc

Climatologists acknowledge that the earth has been warming and that it, in fact, has gone through regular warming and cooling periods. What they are saying is that the observed warming in the last 50 years has deviated significantly from previous, natural warming and cooling patterns and that the most likely explanation for this deviation, beyond the normal contributing factors, is human activity. Also, while the earth warming overall, the type of change in climate will vary from region to region depending on it's specific geographic particulars. Some places will be hotter, some cooler, some drier, some wetter etc.

This type of argumentation is similar to what intelligent design advocates will do when trying to refute evolution (“If we evolved from monkeys, then why didn't chimpanzees evolve into humans as well?”).

The second relies on the conceit and ego of the public in holding scientists as bumbling fools who are blindly accepting the climate change theory without any question or critical thinking.

-”Those climatologists are so stupid. Don't they know that the earth goes through regular warming and cooling cycles?”
-”Those climatologists are so stupid. Don't they know that there could be other factors that influence the earth's temperature (eg solar radiation, volcanoes etc)?”

How do you know that they haven't considered, investigated and debated these things already (a lot of this is, in fact, already appears to be taken into consideration in the IPCC report)? Anybody who has ever read a peer-reviewed study or been involved in research would well know that scientists are, in general, a very skeptical group and are generally quite good at picking holes in theories and ideas; and they are not shy in making their views known either. They are also very limited in the types of conclusions that they can make as they simply wouldn't be allowed to make inappropriate conclusions by the reviewers in the first place (the majority of the time). Additionally, any scientist that ever makes the mistake of coming to a conclusion without thinking through the limitations of their evidence will generally only make that mistake once. It's usually not a lot of fun having your ass handed to you in a room full of your peers or made to look like a fool in a scathing letter to the editor for all your contemporaries to read.

As for the Gore stuff, that logic is so far out to lunch I can't even believe people actually buy into that; but whatever. That falls under the ad hominem argument, where you attack the person instead of their claim:

"Al Gore is a hypocrite! Therefore global warming isn’t happening!"

That’s like saying smoking doesn’t cause cancer because my cardiologist smokes.

I'm sure that people will follow this post with all sorts of links that present different variations to the types of arguments illustrated above (cause we all know that if it's on the internet, it must be true). It reminds me of people who try to win arguments by shouting their points as if raising the volume of their voice somehow makes them more right. What people need to realize is that if an argument is faulty, irrelevant or illogical to begin with, it doesn't matter if you have 20, 100 or 1000 links supporting your argument. It still remains, in the end, faulty, irrelevant and illogical.
 

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aznboi9, I have no doubt we are in a warming period with the earth at this time but in your zealous jump with both feet into the Global Warming band wagon what you fail to take into account is the past history of these scientists.

It was in the early 70's that we were hearing from the same climatologist types of that era telling us that the earth was cooling!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
By 1972 a group of glacial-epoch experts at a conference agreed that "the natural end of our warm epoch is undoubtedly near"
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/nat-geog-1976-11.html
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/DSCN1557-nat-geog-1976_1200x900.JPG

Read the last sentence of the last paragraph of the National Geographic article:
W. Lawrence Gates of Oregon State University, added to me: "The question of climate change is no longer just curiosity. We simply cannot afford to arrive unprepared at the doorstep of climatic catastrophe"
Gee - does that sound just a little bit familiar?


What you lack my boy is the time walking this crusted molten ball of magma that would allow you to remember the past rather than needing to peruse a history book to know what came before you.

One thing the zealous youth will never have over the experienced elderly is the benefit of having been there & done that over several decades.

Do I trust these so called experts?

FUCK NO!!!!!

Why do I say that you ask?

Cuz I been there - done that aznboi9!

These guys want funding & they want lots of it!
The best way to ensure funding is to take a little bit of truth & make a crisis out of it.

Their agenda is slowly being exposed & will eventually be blown wide open because there are too many involved & there have already been some leaks of impropriety on part of the IPCC:
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the...-scientists-hacked-emails-leaked-damning.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...rst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

Read this:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

Do we need to take better care with how we treat out planet - HELL YEAH!!

Are we responsible for the recent warming trend we are in now?
NO!!!

We may have an impact on this but we certainly are not the cause!

Soon the facts will be known & these scientist will suddenly discover some anomaly that will allow them to back out of their current position when the heat from those investigating them gets too much to stand.
They will be given a politically correct path to change their stance & offer "new" "improved" data collection & simulation models.

But it will be too late for the hard working taxpayer on whose backs these unscrupulous snakes will step & use to further their unethical agenda.

The public will be bilked out of billions if not trillions before this headless chicken finally lays down & dies!


Stick your head in the sand all you want.

Puff your chest up & stick it out as far as you can to show everybody how GREEN you are but don't try & sell this to somebody like me who has the ability to see through the scam.

I've been around far too long & seen this kinda bullshit too many times to let this one slide by unchecked!




So ...
who is gonna be the next bright bulb to refute everything I have presented here?

Anyone? .... anyone? ...




 
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It is very difficult to believe that we can spew megatons of crap and carbon dioxide into our wafer thin atmosphere and not expect that to effect the earth. Even my 6 year old can do the math on that. He doesn't need any scientists or long discussions to figure it out. DUH!
 

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It is very difficult to believe that we can spew megatons of crap and carbon dioxide into our wafer thin atmosphere and not expect that to effect the earth. Even my 6 year old can do the math on that. He doesn't need any scientists or long discussions to figure it out. DUH!
Well rimas, I deal in facts & personal experience, if you wanna base your life & actions on feelings & 6 year olds doing calculations be my guest!

I extend a challenge for anyone to refute the afore mentioned facts I posted & those posted by ferris bueller.

These are all a matter of documented history & even your daddy cannot change that for you rimas!

Don't worry rimas you and all the sheep like you are the vast majority who are willing to follow anyone telling them what you want to hear & always lending a sympathetic ear to feel good politics & political correctness.

Those like you are quick to jump on the latest band wagon before even stopping to consider if the information behind it is credible.

Prepare to be baptized into the new world order Sheeple!!!

Don't think! - just follow!

 

aznboi9

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It was in the early 70's that we were hearing from the same climatologist types of that era telling us that the earth was cooling!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Ah yes, the ole “These climatologists predicting Global Warming are the same ones who predicted the coming Ice Age argument!”. That would fall under the ad hominem argument.

Really. So by that reasoning, DNA must not be comprised of a double helical strand of nucleic acid since “those same biologist types” used to believe it was made up of a linear strand of protein.

Or Quantum Theory’s description of the particle/wave duality of nature must be incorrect because “those same physicist types” used to believe in the separate states of waves and particles described in Classical Mechanics.

Or smoking must not cause lung cancer since “those same medical types” actually used to ENCOURAGE smoking as a method of weight loss.

In fact, by your reasoning, ALL scientific theory is invalid since, at some point, ALL scientists have been wrong about something.

The fact is that sometimes new evidence comes up that forces scientists to re-evaluate their positions. Does that mean that they’re always wrong? No. You go with what the best evidence tells you at the time. News flash, that’s how science works.

But what I find really interesting is the selectivity with which you quote from your Wikipedia link; you’re refuted by the very source that you use to back up your claim:

Wikipedia said:
This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles, and a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s.
It was never a scientific consensus. In fact, from my readings, it was a misrepresentation by the media of two individual studies that merely spoke of the cooling affects of particulate matter from vehicle emissions. Hardly a consensus.

These guys want funding & they want lots of it!
The best way to ensure funding is to take a little bit of truth & make a crisis out of it.
Right, it’s a grand conspiracy. So, the IPCC report, one of the largest reviews of the scientific literature, conducted by thousands of scientists and comprised of thousands of studies is a big scam. Let’s take a look what this would require.

It would mean that not one, not ten, not even a hundred, but thousands of scientists from various scientific disciplines had to of knowingly falsified not one, not ten, not even a hundred but thousands studies, and not get caught by their peers. And have done this not just over the course of a few years, but decades. Not only that, but that would have meant that scientists from decades past would have had to falsify studies as well, for a payoff that they would not have lived long enough to capitalize on. You're right, that’s much more plausible than the possibility that decades of man made activity could have any affect on the environment. Because that never happens.

BTW, those emails have already been debunked.

It might be because during my lifetime I have lived through several of these global doomsday scenarios proposed by scientists in the past and none of them has ever come to fruition.
The problem is because we never hear when they get it right. Your AIDS example is an illustration of this. We haven’t seen the epidemic in the US because of public education programs leading to increased condom usage. This was born out of those very warnings of the epidemic from the medical community leading to its prevention and we see in Africa what happened when those warnings weren't heeded. Prevention of polio via vaccine, and the work to eliminate CFC’s due to damage to the ozone layer are other examples of this. The thing is that if you work to prevent something and, after your intervention, nothing happens (which is what you want), then you’re accused of making much ado about nothing. On the other hand, if you don’t work to prevent a detrimental situation and it occurs as predicted, then you’re accused of not doing enough. It’s a lose/lose.

The other problem is being able to differentiate between real warnings from a consensus of the scientific community vs media hype. Global cooling and Y2K being examples of the latter.
 
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To get things back on topic...

Even if the earth is getting warmer and even if man-made CO2 is increasing that warming...

Does anything proposed by the UN, Kyoto, etc... actually do anything other than steal money ?

If they are using a real thing happening to steal money from people, then it's still a scam.
 

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In the Sixties there was a green revolution by the 'SO CALLED EXPERTS' that increased agriculture yields many times over. It used to be one U.S. farmer fed 10 people, how it's like 100. The rice yields were like 40 times greater.

In the eigthies, the 'SO CALLED EXPERTS' discovered what caused AIDS and how to prevent it's spread. So no AIDS pandemic in the Western World. They also discovered the cocktail mix of medicines to help the patients. Also it is also good to know that they were incorrect in their original theories until the old ones were proven wrong. That is the scientific method. Test a theory until it is either proven right or wrong.

A major point in the Nineties, it wasn't the 'SO CALLED EXPERTS' who predicted the Y2K crash. It was the media. I should know because I am a 'SO CALLED EXPERT'. I worked for a company that spent 2 years re-writing all it's software for Y2K because IT WAS GOING TO FAIL. Not in 2000, but as early as 1999. Every software developer I knew was working on Y2K software. Companies spent a sh*t load of money to prevent the very disaster that you said didn't happen. Of course not, DUH!!!!

So the reason these Doomsday scenarios didn't HAPPEN, Ferris, is because the 'SO CALLED EXPERTS' worked out solutions for them before they become doomsday scenarios.

Same as now. Why are billions of dollars being spent on research for alternative energy sources if they're not going to be needed. Are you telling my that all the very smart people who fund these green venture capital funds are in on the scam as well? They'd be risking huge amounts of money of they're wrong.
 
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Krustee

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Ah yes, the ole “These climatologists predicting Global Warming are the same ones who predicted the coming Ice Age argument!”. That would fall under the ad hominem argument.

Really. So by that reasoning, DNA must not be comprised of a double helical strand of nucleic acid since “those same biologist types” used to believe it was made up of a linear strand of protein.

Or Quantum Theory’s description of the particle/wave duality of nature must be incorrect because “those same physicist types” used to believe in the separate states of waves and particles described in Classical Mechanics.

Or smoking must not cause lung cancer since “those same medical types” actually used to ENCOURAGE smoking as a method of weight loss.

In fact, by your reasoning, ALL scientific theory is invalid since, at some point, ALL scientists have been wrong about something.
Not far off there aznboi9

When are you gonna grow up & realize that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY??


The fact is that sometimes new evidence comes up that forces scientists to re-evaluate their positions. Does that mean that they’re always wrong? No. You go with what the best evidence tells you at the time. News flash, that’s how science works.

But what I find really interesting is the selectivity with which you quote from your Wikipedia link; you’re refuted by the very source that you use to back up your claim:

It was never a scientific consensus. In fact, from my readings, it was a misrepresentation by the media of two individual studies that merely spoke of the cooling affects of particulate matter from vehicle emissions. Hardly a consensus.
Buddy, you seem to be missing the point.

With the science they had then they were being alarmists & in doing so created themselves mass funding from Government coffers to delve further into the research & study so that the matter could be better understood.

Now we understand that we are actually warming!

What will technology in 10- 15 years be telling us?

How much money will we be bilked out of by then?


Right, it’s a grand conspiracy. So, the IPCC report, one of the largest reviews of the scientific literature, conducted by thousands of scientists and comprised of thousands of studies is a big scam. Let’s take a look what this would require.
Pretty much - Yeah.

Read this:
http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/apr/08/con-earth-never-equilibrium/
One may ask why there has been the astounding upsurge in alarmism in the past four years. When an issue like global warming is around for more than 20 years, numerous agendas are developed to exploit the issue. The interests of the environmental movement in acquiring more power, influence and donations are reasonably clear. So, too, are the interests of bureaucrats for whom control of carbon dioxide is a dream come true. After all, carbon dioxide is a product of breathing itself.

Politicians can see the possibility of taxation that will be cheerfully accepted to save Earth. Nations see how to exploit this issue in order to gain competitive advantages. So do private firms. The case of Enron (a now bankrupt Texas energy firm) is illustrative. Before disintegrating in a pyrotechnic display of unscrupulous manipulation, Enron was one of the most intense lobbyists for Kyoto. It had hoped to become a trading firm dealing in carbon-emission rights. This was no small hope. These rights are likely to amount to trillions of dollars, and the commissions will run into many billions.

It is probably no accident that Al Gore himself is associated with such activities. The sale of indulgences is already in full swing with organizations selling offsets to one’s carbon footprint while sometimes acknowledging that the offsets are irrelevant. The possibilities for corruption are immense.

Finally, there are the well-meaning individuals who believe that in accepting the alarmist view of climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue. For them, psychic welfare is at stake.
It would mean that not one, not ten, not even a hundred, but thousands of scientists from various scientific disciplines had to of knowingly falsified not one, not ten, not even a hundred but thousands studies, and not get caught by their peers. And have done this not just over the course of a few years, but decades. Not only that, but that would have meant that scientists from decades past would have had to falsify studies as well, for a payoff that they would not have lived long enough to capitalize on. You're right, that’s much more plausible than the possibility that decades of man made activity could have any affect on the environment. Because that never happens.

BTW, those emails have already been debunked.
No they have not been debunked!
Show me the declaration from an independant source where they have been debunked.

You cant!!

The IPCC says they are not of significance because they have a vested interest!



The problem is because we never hear when they get it right. Your AIDS example is an illustration of this. We haven’t seen the epidemic in the US because of public education programs leading to increased condom usage. This was born out of those very warnings of the epidemic from the medical community leading to its prevention and we see in Africa what happened when those warnings weren't heeded. Prevention of polio via vaccine, and the work to eliminate CFC’s due to damage to the ozone layer are other examples of this. The thing is that if you work to prevent something and, after your intervention, nothing happens (which is what you want), then you’re accused of making much ado about nothing. On the other hand, if you don’t work to prevent a detrimental situation and it occurs as predicted, then you’re accused of not doing enough. It’s a lose/lose.

The other problem is being able to differentiate between real warnings from a consensus of the scientific community vs media hype. Global cooling and Y2K being examples of the latter.
No - we do not throw the baby out with the bath water!

There is a measured way to respond & rational reasoning should prevail.

CFC's do have an affect but to what extent you & I will never know unless we are part of the scientific community researching it.

Just remember that not all scientists agree.

:cool:
 

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I'll tell ya what's a scam--the Sedin sisters & Luingo hogging almost 20% of salary cap for next 5+ years....
 

aznboi9

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Buddy, you seem to be missing the point.
No, I’m not. You were making the “they were wrong then, they must be wrong now” argument that’s so popular with the skeptics to prove that Global Warming Theory was bunk. I merely showed the flaw in your reasoning.

Pretty much - Yeah.

Read this:
Right, so it's not just thousands of scientists, but the whole world. I'll get my aluminum foil hat ready.

No they have not been debunked!
Show me the declaration from an independant source where they have been debunked.

You cant!!
You mean, like your “objective” information sources such as Glen Beck? Actually, I can, by using the same source that you used, Wikipedia:

wiki said:
Many commentators quoted one email referring to a "trick" used in Mann's graph to deal with the well-known tree ring divergence problem to "hide the decline" that particular proxy showed for modern temperatures after 1950, when measured temperatures were rising. These two phrases were taken out of context by climate change sceptics including Senator Jim Inhofe and former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin as though they referred to a decline in measured global temperatures, even though they were written when temperatures were at a record high.[31] In their inquiry into allegations of research misconduct, Penn State reviewers found "[t]he so-called 'trick' was nothing more than a statistical method used to bring two or more different kinds of data sets together in a legitimate fashion by a technique that has been reviewed by a broad array of peers in the field."[11] The Parliament of the United Kingdom select committee inquiry concluded that "[Trick] appears to be a colloquialism for a "neat" method of handling data," and "[hide the decline] was a shorthand for the practice of discarding data known to be erroneous".
CFC's do have an affect but to what extent you & I will never know unless we are part of the scientific community researching it.
This would be applicable to your understanding of global warming, which is why I'll take the word of the experts over that of yourself and others of your ilk.
 

Krustee

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When are you gonna grow up & realize that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY??

The fact is that sometimes new evidence comes up that forces scientists to re-evaluate their positions. Does that mean that they’re always wrong? No. You go with what the best evidence tells you at the time. News flash, that’s how science works.

But what I find really interesting is the selectivity with which you quote from your Wikipedia link; you’re refuted by the very source that you use to back up your claim:

It was never a scientific consensus. In fact, from my readings, it was a misrepresentation by the media of two individual studies that merely spoke of the cooling affects of particulate matter from vehicle emissions. Hardly a consensus.
Buddy, you seem to be missing the point.

With the science they had then they were being alarmists & in doing so created themselves mass funding from Government coffers to delve further into the research & study so that the matter could be better understood.

Now we understand that we are actually warming!

What will technology in 10- 15 years be telling us?

How much money will we be bilked out of by then?
No, I’m not. You were making the “they were wrong then, they must be wrong now” argument that’s so popular with the skeptics to prove that Global Warming Theory was bunk. I merely showed the flaw in your reasoning.
Yes you are definately missing the point!

It's about MONEY!!!

Right, it’s a grand conspiracy. So, the IPCC report, one of the largest reviews of the scientific literature, conducted by thousands of scientists and comprised of thousands of studies is a big scam. Let’s take a look what this would require.

It would mean that not one, not ten, not even a hundred, but thousands of scientists from various scientific disciplines had to of knowingly falsified not one, not ten, not even a hundred but thousands studies, and not get caught by their peers. And have done this not just over the course of a few years, but decades. Not only that, but that would have meant that scientists from decades past would have had to falsify studies as well, for a payoff that they would not have lived long enough to capitalize on. You're right, that’s much more plausible than the possibility that decades of man made activity could have any affect on the environment. Because that never happens.
Pretty much - Yeah.

Read this:
http://gazettextra.com/news/2010/apr/08/con-earth-never-equilibrium/
One may ask why there has been the astounding upsurge in alarmism in the past four years. When an issue like global warming is around for more than 20 years, numerous agendas are developed to exploit the issue. The interests of the environmental movement in acquiring more power, influence and donations are reasonably clear. So, too, are the interests of bureaucrats for whom control of carbon dioxide is a dream come true. After all, carbon dioxide is a product of breathing itself.

Politicians can see the possibility of taxation that will be cheerfully accepted to save Earth. Nations see how to exploit this issue in order to gain competitive advantages. So do private firms. The case of Enron (a now bankrupt Texas energy firm) is illustrative. Before disintegrating in a pyrotechnic display of unscrupulous manipulation, Enron was one of the most intense lobbyists for Kyoto. It had hoped to become a trading firm dealing in carbon-emission rights. This was no small hope. These rights are likely to amount to trillions of dollars, and the commissions will run into many billions.

It is probably no accident that Al Gore himself is associated with such activities. The sale of indulgences is already in full swing with organizations selling offsets to one’s carbon footprint while sometimes acknowledging that the offsets are irrelevant. The possibilities for corruption are immense.

Finally, there are the well-meaning individuals who believe that in accepting the alarmist view of climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue. For them, psychic welfare is at stake.
Right, so it's not just thousands of scientists, but the whole world. I'll get my aluminum foil hat ready.
Well, you do whatever helps you cope with it.

Is it really so hard to see how an industry or a group can have such a confluence of purpose even to the point of delusional thinking?

Look at religion for Christ sakes!

These scientists are a funny bunch I have worked with a few & some of em can't even cope well enough to do their own grocery shopping!

They may be smart but many are socially inept & prone to religious type thinking.

No they have not been debunked!
Show me the declaration from an independant source where they have been debunked.

You cant!!

The IPCC says they are not of significance because they have a vested interest!
You mean, like your “objective” information sources such as Glen Beck? Actually, I can, by using the same source that you used, Wikipedia:
Boi, boi, boi!

Read some other sources as well as Wikipedia!

You do realize that Wikipedia is funded by donations right?

How about using a source where the political information is less influenced by donations eh?

Like this:
or this:
The apparent attempts to cover up problems with temperature data from the Chinese weather stations provide the first link between the email scandal and the UN's embattled climate science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, as a paper based on the measurements was used to bolster IPCC statements about rapid global warming in recent decades.

Wang was cleared of scientific fraud by his university, but new information brought to light today indicates at least one senior colleague had serious concerns about the affair.

It also emerges that documents which Wang claimed would exonerate him and Jones did not exist.

The revelations come at a torrid time for climate science, with the IPPC suffering heavy criticism for its use of information that had not been rigorously checked – in particular a false claim that all Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035 – and UEA having been criticised last week by the deputy information commissioner for refusing valid requests for data under the Freedom of Information Act.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-emails-climate-jones-chinese
or this:
U.N. climate panel admits Dutch sea level flaw

OSLO (Reuters) - The U.N. panel of climate experts overstated how much of the Netherlands is below sea level, according to a preliminary report on Saturday, admitting yet another flaw after a row last month over Himalayan glacier melt.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61C1V420100213
or this:
New errors in IPCC climate change report
The United Nations panel on climate change is facing fresh criticism today as The Sunday Telegraph reveals new factual errors and poor sources of evidence in its influential report to government leaders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html
Shall I continue aznboi9 or are you starting to get a little sheepish now?



CFC's do have an affect but to what extent you & I will never know unless we are part of the scientific community researching it.

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This would be applicable to your understanding of global warming, which is why I'll take the word of the experts over that of yourself and others of your ilk.
My ilk?

You really are a religious zealot aren't you?

Are you gonna take your sand bucket & shovel & go home now?
Is my sand box a little too gritty for your tender tushy?

From what I can see & I think many would agree -
my understanding of this particular subject goes far beyond yours with those horse blinders you insist on wearing!

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