Is Global Warming a Scam?

[Krustee]

What do you folks think?

Is Global Warming real?

Even more importantly - is it caused by mankind?

I remember 2 years ago debating this with FUDD, who seems to be on a sabatical at the moment, but I always held the premise that GW was not manmade & even the rise in temperature was just a natural fluctuation of the earth.

But now the we the taxpayers are forking out Trillions of dollars to support a cause for Combating Global Warming how would you feel about it if you discovered it was just another ponzi like scam by power brokers in & out of Government?

Give this a view & tell me what you think:

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Fire away folks!!

Hit me with yer best shot!

 

[johnperb]

Even if Global Warming is a 'scam', their is still Global Pollution which isn't.

 

[Krustee]

Even if Global Warming is a 'scam', their is still Global Pollution which isn't.

Do you consider volcanic dust pollution?

 

[WWTDD]

The problem is with calling it Global Warming. A better name would have been Extreme Weather Fluxuations.
I'm about 95% certain about global warming and I would trust the IPCC scientists more than anything Glenn Beck and Faux NEWS says.
Was acid rain a scam? No. When thousands of people died in London in the 18th century due to coal burning fires, was that a scam? No. Whether you agree or not about Global Warming, how can you deny that there is billions and billons of tons a man-made pollutants in the air. You can't. Is that a scam? Go to the top of Grouse Mountain on a hot summer day and look east towards Mt. Baker. We're not supposed to be breathing air that brown. We're lucky here in Vancouver in that we don't have heavy industry and coal fired power plants and the wind blows east off the ocean. Look at the air quality in Mexico City or Beijing or LA or Bangkok. Is that a scam? I think if we had the air quality like in Mexico City there would be public outcry and we would be spending whatever was needed to clean up our air. Just from an economical point of you, people in North America waste a huge amount of money on energy (which translates in air pollution). Over-sized cars and trucks. Over-sized houses in spread-out suburbs. The scam is that Madision Avenue says we need this stuff to live a happy live. Now that's the biggest scam and it's been going on for the last 150 years or so. And i think that's why people in Europe accept Global Warning more that North America. They car small vehicles and live in smaller more compact houses. They enjoy live differently. I'm not a hypocrite. I drive as little as possible, take the bus when it makes sense (like going d/t), don't get sucked into the hype of consumerism.

 

[bigben]

Is global warming a scam?

No.

 

[Krustee]

Even if Global Warming is a 'scam' (e.g. a natural cycle not significantly driven by human activity), we can do things that will mitigate the changes in global average annual temperature.
As it clearly appears (based on the overwhelming evidence from large numbers of different reasearchers from countries across the globe with different systems of government & belonging to different power groups) that it isn't a scam, it's a bit past due for the dupes of the corporations with vested interests in the continuation of business as usual to get out of the way & let us get on with trying to deal with this slow moving juggernaught called climate change.

So you are saying that man HAS contributed to global warming?

What if we were facing Global cooling?
Would mankind be at fault for causing that too?

Are the weather patterns we see today a cause of mankinds activities or the natrural response to the warming of the globe?

What causes more CO2 man or animals?
(I guess this is a bit of a trick question cuz some of you think man is just anther animal & no different than an ape)

Is CO2 the root cause of the warming?

How much would you be willing to spend if it was proven that the earth will fluxuate in temperature no matter what we do?

Who are the most deserving to profit from this enterprise?

Who should be paying the bill?

Do you think AlGore deserved the Nobel Peace Prize?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301168,00.html

 

[island-guy]

Whether Global Warming is happening and whether or not it is man made is pretty much irrelevant to the question of whether or not there is a huge scam going on.

Look at what the proposed "Solution" to Global Warming is:

Transfer all of the world's wealth to China, because they are a "new" nation who needs time to "Catch Up" with the US and the western world.

Hmm.. US = 1492 AD

China = 3,000 BC

Looks like China already had a 4,500 year head start on the US

So why exactly should we transfer all the world's wealth to China?

because the social engineering economists say that they understand geology and weather patterns more than the geoscientists and climate experts understand them, that's why.

IF the planet is getting warmer, WHY would Canada have a problem with that?

Think about it, would you rather have Winnipeg winters or San Diego winters?

Hmmm... difficult decision.

 

[HankQuinlan]

I don't think countering anything Glen Beck says is worth the effort. He is not about any kind of fact-seeking. TV news of any sort is not meant to convey serious issues; it is about generating ratings from the rabble.

 

[Bartdude]

The big problem is people automatically associate "warming" with it being "warm".

The "warming" linked (correctly or otherwise) with fossil fuels and C02 affects key ocean currents - which can have severe effects on weather patterns.

El Nino winters are a good example of how ocean currents affect what we call the weather.

Unusual weather patterns can manifest themselves as extreme heat and drought, or drops in temperature as well.

Regardless, they result in severe weather incidents and longer-term problems.

I think the science supporting global climate change is generally sound, but more imprecise than originally thought.

It's certainly not "a scam", but may be more complicated than the Al Gore types anticipated.

 

[klamkracker]

How was the data collected? Alot of the weather staitions were closed down ( in the hard to get places and colder areas) = higher temptures at the easy to get to warmer places ! Just 1 part of the scam! I say yes it is a scam. 9c in Coquitlam right now...

 

[storm rider]

As far as I am concearned the global warming thing is a huge scam.It is a means of a wealth tranfer from developed countries to under developed countries.

20 years ago environmental zealots were crying wolf over the prospect of "global cooling"....now the shoe is on the other foot and it is "global warming"....and all the while the media is feeding the masses the hype and they are chowing down like it is an all you can eat buffet.

The whole idea behind the Kyoto accord was a total joke....countries like Canada and the United Kingdom (but not the USA as they did not ratify it...nor China as that country was exempt) would buy emmisions credits from counties like Botswanna and Madagascar.Big deal.....they buy those credits.....and the wealth gets tranferred.....but there are no actual reduction in emissions of the dangerous boogieman called "CO2"....in short nothing gets done....aside from money being given to lesser developed nations.In the middle of the pack are people like Al Gore who are feeding the hype and spreading panic to make a shitload of money.....hey it takes serious money to maintain your own private jet .....which is used to fly all over the world to attend "climate seminars".....easily done through video confrence over the internet

Basically the whole "global warming" thing is the same as the scare to save the Amazon Rain Forest way back when....it was projected that the Amazon Rain Forest would have been eradicated more than 10 years ago by the scientists of the day in 1982.....that big ass carbon sink is still there and more than 80% intact right now.

SR

 

[Shakerod]

I've studied this issue for years and the debated it endlessly both formally and informally. Fact of the matter is that there IS evidence of certain groups who have released invalid global temperatures due to unscientific protocol. There most definitely has been government/corporate agendas behind this issue (There was a lawsuit filed against one of them recently) and because of this, its difficult to state where the truth lies.

There's three schools of thought in the scientific community:

1. those that feel there is absolutely NO problem
2. those who believe there is a problem....albeit a 'naturally occurring' one..........
3. those who believe that humans are overwhelming causing the earth to warm up rapidly.

Any one of these ideologies could be right although I tend to lean between the first two thoughts.

It's a dynamic issue with too many factors that come into play.

In my opinion, there's more important things to worry about, such as cleaning our air (btw, CO2 doesn't dirty the air)and preserving our natural ecosystems and there hasn't been nearly as much focus on this.

...4) those who stand to make a ton of money from the taxes, fees and products that will be sold as we transition into this so called " Green era".

 

[Steez]

GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM!!!!!!!!!

Google CLIMATEGATE.

Game over, DONE!

If you believe in global warming then you also believe that polar bears cant swim.

 

[d_Duck55]

I would trust the IPCC scientists more than anything Glenn Beck and Faux NEWS says.

Of course. You mean the IPCC brought to us by the UN? The UN that is so awesome ... why just this week the UN elected Iran to their panel on the promotion of women's rights. You know - Iran - the country where they condemn 14 year old girls to death for dressing provocatively, but make sure to rape them before execution so the girls cannot get into heaven? Yeah - that Iran. Sure .. the UN is all about doing it right. You gotta trust them.

billons of tons a man-made pollutants in the air.

Ummm ... CO2 is a nutrient.

Over-sized cars and trucks. Over-sized houses in spread-out suburbs.

OK I agree with you there. But what can the bigger people drive? Certainly not a Smart Car.

 

[edmontonsubbie]

I smiled when I saw this thread show up....I often do that. It's a bit of a bait thread. Clearly Krustee has his ducks in a row and had the "FACTS" to support them. I like Krustee to the extent that he is clearly intelligent...but, this thread remains the same. An opinion argument at best. Right and Left leaning supporters are able to find the things they need to support whatever they wish to propose. We all know that stats can be made to convey whatever message the author wishes to convey....and, surely, we can all find nuggets of factoids to support whatever we wish to purport.

Having said all that, passion is a virtue. I suspect global warming is bullshit....I just don't know why it's being promoted.

kindest,

eddie.

 

[island-guy]

I just don't know why it's being promoted.

Seriously?

Well, take Al Gore, one of the biggest con-artists in the Global Warming Scam.

How many $million has he made selling carbon credits and trading on stocks of "Green" companies?

Many many $million.

So, why?

FOR THE MONEY!!!!

 

[edmontonsubbie]

Seriously?

Well, take Al Gore, one of the biggest con-artists in the Global Warming Scam.

How many $million has he made selling carbon credits and trading on stocks of "Green" companies?

Many many $million.

So, why?

FOR THE MONEY!!!!

Well, I suppose you are right. But Al's a good looking guy, he could probably make as much or more doing porn.

All the same, I suspect he is passionate about what he espouses. Whether we agree with him or not is mostly irrelevant. Those with passion tend not to worry too much about the monetary reward....they just enjoy their soapbox. And a world without passionate people would be...well...boring.

I'm going to go burn some trash in my 45 gallon drum out back....and cut down a few trees that are blocking my view of the Baja Peninsula. I hope Al doesn't mind.

cheers,

eddie.

 

[InTheBum]

I'd like to give Al Gore a hot lunch!

 

[chilli]

Why do you get your information from a guy like Glen Beck?

The guy is an attention whore that draws little pictures to help people like you understand simple concepts like global warming.

He speaks to his audience like their 6 yr olds.

Do you enjoy listening to people who talk down to you?

The problem with global warming is simply this,

I can't prove to you there is global warming and you can't prove there isn't.

So you have to take a "reasonable best guess" based on the information you have.

And the best guess I have is that anyone who gets their information from and then forms an opinion on that information from Glen Beck is a moron.

 

[G.O.B.]

Of course. You mean the IPCC brought to us by the UN? The UN that is so awesome ... why just this week the UN elected Iran to their panel on the promotion of women's rights. You know - Iran - the country where they condemn 14 year old girls to death for dressing provocatively, but make sure to rape them before execution so the girls cannot get into heaven? Yeah - that Iran. Sure .. the UN is all about doing it right. You gotta trust them.


Ummm ... CO2 is a nutrient.
OK I agree with you there. But what can the bigger people drive? Certainly not a Smart Car.

First of all, "global warming" may be a myth, but climate change is not. If you ignore the sensationalist media and look at scientific peer-reviewed journal articles, it is clear that the vast majority of people who actually know about this stuff are in support of the fact that climate change can be caused by human activity. Yes, the effect of our CO2 emissions only account for a relatively small percentage of the earth's natural CO2 cycle, but this amount is enough to alter our average temperature by a few degrees. That doesn't sound like a lot but it is catastrophic. It can submerge cities, ruin the agriculture industry, and the list goes on.

How is CO2 a nutrient? It's a known GHG, and the increased levels have been seen before during the Earth's natural cycles. Clearly the increase is due to anthropogenic means, like burning oil and coal-fired power plants.

Whether or not you think climate change is true, look up the "precautionary principle" and tell me if something should be done or not. Climate change can be mitigated for about 2% of global GDP, just a small fraction of the amount of GDP lost due to the most recent economic crisis. Isn't that worth it, given the catastrophic risk of not doing anything?