I had never thought of it from this point of view . This is much more fun and a way more positive viewpoint, cheers.
Is “this” reserved to rich people only?
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all SP and even mp experiences have certainly gone up , it is now the same to see a lady at a mp then it was for incalls pre covid .
My wage has not changed since covid and hrs have actually gone down so earning slightly less .
That being said if I’m pro active about squirrelling away money to put towards this hobby I can definitely for the moment see a provider seasonly / quarterly Plus monthly in the summer months , so about half dozen times per yr.
If I were to attempt more than that it would quickly eat into my funds for going out w friends, nice dinners, travel, sporting events , hell even shopping for things I need. Since this is not a hobby you can run around screaming from the rooftops,
the question,….”so what have you been up” to would be followed by an awkward silence as I would have spent all my extra funds on something I can not tell anyone about.
Also if you are spending everything on sp’s & therefore not seeing anoyone else socially that wouldn’t be a very well rounded existence & would be a lonely life.
My wage has not changed since covid and hrs have actually gone down so earning slightly less .
That being said if I’m pro active about squirrelling away money to put towards this hobby I can definitely for the moment see a provider seasonly / quarterly Plus monthly in the summer months , so about half dozen times per yr.
If I were to attempt more than that it would quickly eat into my funds for going out w friends, nice dinners, travel, sporting events , hell even shopping for things I need. Since this is not a hobby you can run around screaming from the rooftops,
the question,….”so what have you been up” to would be followed by an awkward silence as I would have spent all my extra funds on something I can not tell anyone about.
Also if you are spending everything on sp’s & therefore not seeing anoyone else socially that wouldn’t be a very well rounded existence & would be a lonely life.
That's when the addiction portion of it kicks in.
The starting point of this conversation is to define rich.
Rich is definitely not what it used to be with our overall standard of living or maybe better put style of living, changing so much the past couple decades.
Look at the tax brackets to see how the gov tries to define rich (or the top brackets) and yes $246K is a pretty good wage but is that rich?
Not in the GVRD. Maybe in other places in Canada it might be considered 'rich' but not here. And with the costs here, the whole set of costs scales, SP's included.
To the point of the comments about being stuck in 1999, how about back further in the 80's. All things scaling out, younger folks had a lot more discretionary income.
My opinion is THAT is what has eroded and the whole issue of does one have enough discretionary income becomes the important question.
Rich is definitely not what it used to be with our overall standard of living or maybe better put style of living, changing so much the past couple decades.
Look at the tax brackets to see how the gov tries to define rich (or the top brackets) and yes $246K is a pretty good wage but is that rich?
Not in the GVRD. Maybe in other places in Canada it might be considered 'rich' but not here. And with the costs here, the whole set of costs scales, SP's included.
To the point of the comments about being stuck in 1999, how about back further in the 80's. All things scaling out, younger folks had a lot more discretionary income.
My opinion is THAT is what has eroded and the whole issue of does one have enough discretionary income becomes the important question.
246K is rich compared to a segment of the population who makes $20 an hour.
I’d say it’s not necessarily just for the rich, but certainly the well off middle class.
I absolutely agree that SP’s should ask whatever they want, it’s basic supply and demand. I do think however that the “rich” have driven up the asking rates for some SP’s who may have been attainable for more guys in the past. The number of US guys with big budgets coming to cities like Vancouver and Toronto to take advantage of a lower dollar, better value compared to the US, and simply the way more relaxed attitudes to sex work here, are a huge percentage of the high end SP’s clientele. Alas it’s made some of these ladies unattainable to us commoners. But that’s life.
I’m also sure I’m not alone in the “use it while it lasts” category. I’m pretty certain that the boys aren’t gonna be able to perform for ever, so I’m gonna take advantage of my abilities while it lasts. And I also agree that saving and planning the budget does add to the fun sometimes.
I absolutely agree that SP’s should ask whatever they want, it’s basic supply and demand. I do think however that the “rich” have driven up the asking rates for some SP’s who may have been attainable for more guys in the past. The number of US guys with big budgets coming to cities like Vancouver and Toronto to take advantage of a lower dollar, better value compared to the US, and simply the way more relaxed attitudes to sex work here, are a huge percentage of the high end SP’s clientele. Alas it’s made some of these ladies unattainable to us commoners. But that’s life.
I’m also sure I’m not alone in the “use it while it lasts” category. I’m pretty certain that the boys aren’t gonna be able to perform for ever, so I’m gonna take advantage of my abilities while it lasts. And I also agree that saving and planning the budget does add to the fun sometimes.
Just take a 7 day trip to Greece in Vancouver. Skip the airfare and hotel.
Fair enough there is a spectrum. Therefore a balanced approach, much research, and financial carefulness may be the answer.
Agreed. I think the use of “rich” here might be confusing. I make a sub six figure income so I’m a long way off the 246K (rich) standard. While I do make more than $20/hr. if my income magically increased by 25% I would still be sub six figures but that kind of wealth increase would certainly give me the freedom to poon more often than I currently do. So, no…one does not have to be rich to participate. You just need enough income to cover your essentials with money left over for discretionary spending.
I would be curious what the actual stats are on the income of the average pooner. My gut tells me average middle class Joe’s are probably more prominent than fellas who have stronger financial freedom.
If I were an SP I would definitely set my rate at the highest the market will bear. I expect wealthy repeat customers must be the gold standard. What I don’t know is how reliable/loyal is that customer base? If our economy continues to deteriorate and if the gap between the wealthy and the poor increases (demise of the middle class?) how will that play out in the long run? Will there be enough cash available from the wealthy to satisfy the SP population and it becomes a true luxury? Or is there an adjustment where certain SP’s find it more profitable to target customers who earn less but are more eager to return on a more frequent basis.
just sort of thinking out loud here
That's interesting thought. You're saying that it's the US crowd thats the main driver in price? It'd be interesting to know how much foreign clientele accounts for the bottom line. I always assumed it was the cost side pushing prices, not the demand pulling it.
I don’t know how it is in Vancouver but in Montreal I don’t have that many US clients. However, they tend to book longer dates. I think it’s because it’s a lot cheaper than in the US so they can afford a multi hour booking for the price of maybe 1h back home.
I suspect many of the the pooners closer to the top of the earning chain have enough resources that they will always be more tempted by the newest flavours and newest faces in town . They can also afford to take the hit if someone turns out to be a dud .
If a provider ups her rates and some of her clients drop off she is likely working less but earning the same .
Mind you if the market keeps getting flooded w more sp’s charging high rates than there will be more and more competing for the same market . Will be interesting to see what happens .
For a provider who targets more the middle income market , she definitely isn’t earning as much per hr but the upside is if she delivers as a great provider she will likely gain way more loyal clientele ( as once these guys find a great find they will wanna return as they will be more risk averse) . She won’t have to worry about how businesses is doing this month or next as she will be pretty booked always , plus her clients are far more likely to stay with her for years and years , so her relationships w her clients will hopefully be comfortable, friendly & on average more enjoyable than always taking new clients.
Some very good points. If a provider develops a good reputation for service in the middle market and builds a clientele then the next step is for her to raise her rates as she gets harder to book. You'll quickly find out the elasticity of demand. I wonder how many of the frequent pooners have had a favorite raise their rates in a material way?
Would depend on what you would consider a "rich person". I have never had a 6 figure income but it depends on your lifestyle. I live in the interior of BC so don't have the "big city" expenses. My house and truck are paid for so just have everyday living expenses. This leaves me with a healthy "disposable income". Have had some good and some not so good encounters but finally found a local lady that I see quite often. Have 3-4 touring ladies that I splurge on whenever they come to town. I am in the "use it before you lose it" group so I enjoy myself. If you have lots of money in the banks when you die........your still dead, so as long as you are smart with your money enjoy life while you can.
I obviously don’t have 100% proof of this but I’m basing the observation on a few things:
Some comments from a few of the high end ladies on Twitter / X. One striking thing was how many said that they were suffering from a big drop in business during covid travel restrictions, when the big spenders from the US couldn’t get to them. One very well known and high end Toronto SP in particular is banned from US travel but markets herself as a destination date for American whales, and was very eager for them to get back. Several ladies on the top tier made the same comments.
I’ve had pillow talk conversations with a couple of ladies I’ve seen who mentioned that this seems to be the holy grail of escorting ATM, but of course not all can get there.
I’ve also chatted on DM with some US based pooners who marvel at the affordability of the True North. One noted that a 3 hour date with a gorgeous and well reviewed SP for $1500 in Canada, worked out to about 1/3 of the price of the equivalent in his local market. Well worth the trip for an American with deep pockets, and not an unusual thing for the traveling US business types.
If you're single,( no child support, alimony)it's not all that expensive a hobby.
Define " rich " then it depends on how many ladies one sees, or is capable on seeing throughout the week or month. Someone who's debt free, no dependents and makes well into 6 figures. For sure is within the upper class. Someone who makes $50k and is married. Definitely opposite side of the spectrum.
Elites who earn $1 million or way more. Well, no need to explain those people lol. They have their own planet and can buy literally anything and above.
Elites who earn $1 million or way more. Well, no need to explain those people lol. They have their own planet and can buy literally anything and above.
I'm a "high income earner" with my own businesses. For me, seeing a sex worker makes me more money than the cost. I don't have time to meet and seduce women, and with my limited time off, I want a guaranteed no-strings-attached amazing time to clear my head and get me back to being focused at work. In that sense, the time savings and mental well-being boost exceeds the hundreds of dollars spent on seeing a beautiful younger lady. It's like opting for a business class flight (too poor for first class or charter lol) so that I am well-rested when I get off the plane and can enjoy my vacation from the start rather than slogging through economy crumpled in a garbage ass seat for 10+ hours; the extra few G's spent are well worth it. That being said I don't care to see "high end" sex workers as I don't have time for the commute since they are mostly im Vancouver and don't really care for the companionship, I'm just looking for sex only and see reputable, local providers.
I used to have a couple sugar babies who would let me do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, for allowances of 1-2k a month plus gifts which is pretty "cheap" for beautiful college-aged amatuer girls but things can get complicated when you see someone often and I always crave a shiny new toy.
Then there are guys who earn way, way more than I and can easily drop 6 figures to take a couple girls with them for a bender in Vegas. Must be nice, but not in my lifetime lol.
I used to have a couple sugar babies who would let me do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted, for allowances of 1-2k a month plus gifts which is pretty "cheap" for beautiful college-aged amatuer girls but things can get complicated when you see someone often and I always crave a shiny new toy.
Then there are guys who earn way, way more than I and can easily drop 6 figures to take a couple girls with them for a bender in Vegas. Must be nice, but not in my lifetime lol.
I'm definitely not rich. However, I've also never been married so no divorce costs. A friend is going through his second in five years and is losing half his shit again. How many SP's could he have seen over the past five years compared to what he is now paying this ex to go away? Or the previous one who took him to the cleaners?
I never had kids, everyone else in my family is dead, so there's no one for me to leave what I have to. Might as well spend it on this hobby while I can.
And I am getting old(er) and things are definitely not working like they used to. Might as well use it before I lose it.
Finally, my tastes in sex are pretty vanilla. I'm not sure what a 'high end' SP will offer except a higher cost. I'm not into fantasy or ego -- if you're nice looking, treat me nice, and provide a decent service I'm pretty happy at the end of the day. But then, for me, looks are never as important as how you treat someone.
I never had kids, everyone else in my family is dead, so there's no one for me to leave what I have to. Might as well spend it on this hobby while I can.
And I am getting old(er) and things are definitely not working like they used to. Might as well use it before I lose it.
Finally, my tastes in sex are pretty vanilla. I'm not sure what a 'high end' SP will offer except a higher cost. I'm not into fantasy or ego -- if you're nice looking, treat me nice, and provide a decent service I'm pretty happy at the end of the day. But then, for me, looks are never as important as how you treat someone.
