Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!
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Sorry but this misappropriatiob really gets me going. It is not the local gov'ts
The huge sex industry in Pattaya (hate that word industry to describe human relations) didn't exist before the Vietnam war where it was what the officers called an R&R stop. The servicemen had a different acronym; I&I. (Intoxication and Intercourse). Similarly , the US Military adopted a heavy presence in the Philippines, then abandoned it when the going got rough. They re-established Clarke Airforce base after the war, and their servicemen coined the new acronym LBFM. (Little Brown Fucking Machines). Their VFA seems to suppress any prosecution of sex crimes.
So I think the focus of your indignation should be a little closer to home. I cannot think of a 'good' mongering location in the world that wasn't created by the US military. Hmmm, maybe Macau?
I don't know a lot about Cambodia, but this is sure an interesting read.... ...Stickman is usually pretty straight up...
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader810.html
But Anita, I do agree with you on something. Poverty is ugly. That doesn't mean we should sit in our comfortable condo's and ignore it. And the do-good NGO's that have been around for years with their slick videos made with their donor's money have done nothing discernable. Outrage is both easy and cheap.
Personally, I think the best effort so far is micro-financing. Allowing people to start their own business with small loans. That and prostitution of course!
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There are those who would suggest the principle is the same. So if you condemn one while participating in the other, it's hypocritical.
In the latter case the worker probably gets to keep 75-100% of that $100. In the other case, it isn't clear how the worker benefits from the purchase of a pair of socks she helped to make. Maybe it helps her keep a job, if enough people also buy the sweatshop's products, rather than being unemployed, hungry, starving, or feeling she has to take up sex work.
Obviously if one gives away their finances allocated to pooning to a charity, then they won't be able to poon. Is that what you do?
But at least you admit, by implication, that hobbying in developing countries "helps (the SP's there) a ton".
So if one is "really interested in helping those poor girls in developing nations", to use your own words, then allocating some or all of their SP budget for their services will, as you say, "help them a ton".
Moreover to "help them a ton" by using their services is to also possibly be of those who are "really interested in helping" them, to use your words once again.
Although it is also true that some people who "help them a ton" by hiring them are not "really interested in helping" them.
Evidently Sir Tant is of the class that encourages others in "helping them a ton", so also "really interested in helping" them.
Additionally, at times, he gives charitable donations, sometimes called tips, after sessions end, which he is in no way obligated to do.
However if you wish instead to give away your pooning allowance, if any, to prostitutes or charities, without availing yourself of their services, feel free.
I won't be holding my breath waiting, but will be keeping one eye half open for your pooner retirement announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCIe2VEOtE&feature=related
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LMAO. "Erotic kick" Tant, indeed! Imagine the kick you'd get out of giving them a roll of toilet paper as payment for a yummy ass fucking!
Here's one for you Tant. Just become a war correspondent and you'll get paid to go to places like Kosovo and Chechnya and be paid by CNN for it. There's girls there who won't have better options than to go with you, no matter how ugly you are. Hell, you'll look like Brad Pitt to them after losing their sisters, brothers, kids, friends and neighbours. You'll be this great hero benefiting them with your enormous wealth because as you say, they won't have better "options", and I'm sure you'll be treating them with all the "respect they deserve".
You know what's great about Eastern Europe and Russia? Hot white chicks! I also hear there's some brutal repression in Western China, so if you like the yellow variety, you can have it just by giving away your old clothes you were going to donate to the Salvation Army anyway. Some of the girls in these countries will be starving, and I'm sure you won't have to pay a dime to get your CIM, you know what I mean?
Holy shit is there ever a lot of hate in this thread being directed at the OP and a hell of a lot
of hypocracy as well.So long as a guy is not seeing underage gals in places like Thailand
or the Phillipines I fail to see what the problem is.The gals are not forced into doing sex work
and in most instances they make a better living than working a crappy job in a sweatshop.
The make enough to help support their families as well as themselves.
I myself have never travelled to Thailand or the Phillipines and if I had done so I definatly
would have pooned and enjoyed it.Of course I would have made sure it was all on the up and up
and safe.I do plan on visiting Thailand when I retire and for long visits at that.The Phillipines
I am on the fence about visiting because of the crime rate.
Thanks for the thread Tant and keep up the good fight...haters are gonna hate.
SR
of hypocracy as well.So long as a guy is not seeing underage gals in places like Thailand
or the Phillipines I fail to see what the problem is.The gals are not forced into doing sex work
and in most instances they make a better living than working a crappy job in a sweatshop.
The make enough to help support their families as well as themselves.
I myself have never travelled to Thailand or the Phillipines and if I had done so I definatly
would have pooned and enjoyed it.Of course I would have made sure it was all on the up and up
and safe.I do plan on visiting Thailand when I retire and for long visits at that.The Phillipines
I am on the fence about visiting because of the crime rate.
Thanks for the thread Tant and keep up the good fight...haters are gonna hate.
SR
I give my money to girls here because there is parity for those who live in this country, as opposed to those who live in developing nations where there is poverty in many places, no social welfare system, health care only for the wealthy, etc. You need parity before you can start talking even thinking about equality, and you need equality before you should morally be considering bartering or even exploiting someone else in a commercial transaction.
I have traveled in a number of developing countries, Thailand was one of them. I did not do as Tant suggests because I saw how disadvantaged they are and how Westerners are exploiting them. I visited Bangkok and Pattaya and saw in plain view on the streets and beaches what was going on there. That country is so poor that the government has come to rely on the sex industry for tourism dollars. It's become so twisted that some families groom their underage daughters to eventually work in the sex trade, and also boys are made into trannies or later undergo surgery to help their families.
If you want to have a better exchange rate and get more for your money, go to fully developed places like Hong Kong where the girls at least live in a country where there is parity with yours. You are then on equal footing and you can be assured that if you seeking to exploit them in any way, they are there because they chose that situation among a number of equal choices.
The use of the word exploitation got me pondering. Because when you think about it, our whole business system, even the existence of money is built on exploiting opportunity.
Lets take a hypothetical working girl who charges $140 per session. A punter pays her what she asks for. Has he exploited her? Has she exploited him? It sounds pretty balanced to me.
Now what if he were a millionaire? Should he voluntarily pay more? I say no. Her price is her price.
Now what if her rent is due, and she's short $50. Our millionaire bargains her down to $50 because bargaining is fun. She accepts because she doesn't want her belongings dumped on the street. Exploitation? Hell yes.
Ok. Last scenario. Our millionaire learns the girl needs $50 for rent. He takes the moral high ground and refuses to use her because that would be exploitation. The poor girl gets nothing and gets her stuff dumped on the street.
Which one of these three scenarios is worse?
Thinking this way doesn't make me feel guilty about paying full price in Thailand at all. But it does make me feel guilty for the 'fun' bargaining I did in Mexican trinket markets. That blanket that I got for a 'steal' doesn't feel so warm anymore.
Lets take a hypothetical working girl who charges $140 per session. A punter pays her what she asks for. Has he exploited her? Has she exploited him? It sounds pretty balanced to me.
Now what if he were a millionaire? Should he voluntarily pay more? I say no. Her price is her price.
Now what if her rent is due, and she's short $50. Our millionaire bargains her down to $50 because bargaining is fun. She accepts because she doesn't want her belongings dumped on the street. Exploitation? Hell yes.
Ok. Last scenario. Our millionaire learns the girl needs $50 for rent. He takes the moral high ground and refuses to use her because that would be exploitation. The poor girl gets nothing and gets her stuff dumped on the street.
Which one of these three scenarios is worse?
Thinking this way doesn't make me feel guilty about paying full price in Thailand at all. But it does make me feel guilty for the 'fun' bargaining I did in Mexican trinket markets. That blanket that I got for a 'steal' doesn't feel so warm anymore.
You are hilarious.
Do you understand that the laughing and giggling Thai bar girls are laughing and making jokes about those guys you think are being treated like kings?
Is your ego so fragile that you have to spend your time in the company of people who have bosses telling them what to do and who they have to see?
And regarding SaveThe7's comments, you didn't read tant's reports on his trip to HK. He specifically said he saw a 3 sps a day, and that sight seeing was not on the agenda, except maybe what he saw on his way from brothel to brothel. He also made it quite clear that many of the sps he saw were not Chinese. You are again commenting on things you do not understand.
My references to Thai, etc, came from expats living there, as well as Bangkok and Indonesian escorts, who live and work there. If anyone knows what is going on behind the scenes, I think I will trust the comments coming from people who live it, rather than somene who exploits it, don't you?
As one escort from Bangkok puts it:
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Yes but the same thing happens here in all the massage parlors, micros,fox dens, and the independents are calling each other up and doing the same.
That's not true at all, what would make you think this?
Try 50%, maximum. The bosses are setting up brothels, etc, for charity, they are taking a cut, and probably with what is left over, charge the sp room and board, and/or take the majority of it as well to pay the debt.
The girls who may be 'indy' still pay the bar a fee to work there.
But no one is here claiming that they don't.
Most of the OP's and supporters for it really seem to think they are god's gift and the sp's are there only due to sheer enjoyment of sex and meeting them.
LOL I think we should take away Tant's CNN Heroes Award nomination (which you bestowed on him) and give it to you! Bravo!
I don't think the vast majority believe that. lolBut no one is here claiming that they don't.
Most of the OP's and supporters for it really seem to think they are god's gift and the sp's are there only due to sheer enjoyment of sex and meeting them.
When the money is changing hands the reality of the situation is hard to avoid.
She certainly does not take issue with men paying for sex since that is how she pays her bills but she does appear to have disdain for men in general...makes me wonder how she is even in this industry.
I agree. I've only had one where the acting was obviously fake. My fav has these tiny subtle intimate touches that make you swear that you are the only man in her world. I think she's hotter than hot. If only it were true!
So why is it that porn actresses are sooo bad?
Please don't be too hard on Pillow
Her problem is actually quite common for mature SPs, but perhaps especially acute in her case because she's intelligent.
The best SPs function largely at the level of coquettishness and sexual emotion, without thinking too much. They can totally identify with their job, without feeling superior to the men they're supposed to please.
But Pillow is smart. In a nutshell, I think her predicament is that she's probably too smart to be a good SP but too lazy, and set in her habits, to do anything more creative for a living. Add to that the fact that she's probably agewise more than a little over the hill, in most pooner's eyes (though certainly not in mine).
Now that her clientele is reduced to a trickle—and she has oodles of time on her hands—she's predictably becoming more and more bitter and frustrated. With that comes the need to displace frustrations by lashing out at people, such as guys on this Board.
Given that we're needy enough to pay for sex—and often naive enough to think the occasional SP really likes being with us—we're sitting ducks for her ridicule.
I imagine, the situation of an aging, angry, misandrist SP is not the most pleasant place to be in life. But I generally find Pillow's points on this Board both well-articulated and entertainingly self-righteous.
In fact, she and I have quite a bit in common. Apart from the fact that we're both sex-positive individuals, I often find myself in basic sympathy with her politics and share her commitment to moral responsibility.
The only real difference is, I try to base my moral decisions on reason—while she usually runs with her emotions.
Her mind is pretty closed—as evidenced, for example, by her willingness to starve Asian bar girls off the face of the earth to save them from being "exploited."
But even so, I quite enjoy her contributions.
But no one is here claiming that they don't.
Most of the OP's and supporters for it really seem to think they are god's gift and the sp's are there only due to sheer enjoyment of sex and meeting them.
Being in the counselling field, I think I understand where Pillow is coming from.
Her problem is actually quite common for mature SPs, but perhaps especially acute in her case because she's intelligent.
The best SPs function largely at the level of coquettishness and sexual emotion, without thinking too much. They can totally identify with their job, without feeling superior to the men they're supposed to please.
But Pillow is smart. In a nutshell, I think her predicament is that she's probably too smart to be a good SP but too lazy, and set in her habits, to do anything more creative for a living. Add to that the fact that she's probably agewise more than a little over the hill, in most pooner's eyes (though certainly not in mine).
Now that her clientele is reduced to a trickle—and she has oodles of time on her hands—she's predictably becoming more and more bitter and frustrated. With that comes the need to displace frustrations by lashing out at people, such as guys on this Board.
Given that we're needy enough to pay for sex—and often naive enough to think the occasional SP really likes being with us—we're sitting ducks for her ridicule.
I imagine, the situation of an aging, angry, misandrist SP is not the most pleasant place to be in life. But I generally find Pillow's points on this Board both well-articulated and entertainingly self-righteous.
In fact, she and I have quite a bit in common. Apart from the fact that we're both sex-positive individuals, I often find myself in basic sympathy with her politics and share her commitment to moral responsibility.
The only real difference is, I try to base my moral decisions on reason—while she usually runs with her emotions.
Her mind is pretty closed—as evidenced, for example, by her willingness to starve Asian bar girls off the face of the earth to save them from being "exploited."
But even so, I quite enjoy her contributions.
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Really? He gave a nice review to Sarah...but that probably wasn't genuine...right?
This is an entertaining thread!
I will venture that Tantalizeme (love him or hate him) has probably put more money directly in the hands of the ladies in question than any of the folks who claim he is exploiting them. That cash can be used by the ladies to help change their situation if they so chose. Tant has given them a real, tangible asset, where the moral-high-ground folks can sleep easier at night, but really haven't made a difference one way or another to a single individual in these less fortunate places. That's probably a reasonable trade off for sucking his balls. And Heaven forbid that Tant actually enjoys himself while doing so! The horror!
I lol'd when I tried to follow how buying free range eggs in Vancouver helped anyone's lot in life in Thailand...
I will venture that Tantalizeme (love him or hate him) has probably put more money directly in the hands of the ladies in question than any of the folks who claim he is exploiting them. That cash can be used by the ladies to help change their situation if they so chose. Tant has given them a real, tangible asset, where the moral-high-ground folks can sleep easier at night, but really haven't made a difference one way or another to a single individual in these less fortunate places. That's probably a reasonable trade off for sucking his balls. And Heaven forbid that Tant actually enjoys himself while doing so! The horror!
I lol'd when I tried to follow how buying free range eggs in Vancouver helped anyone's lot in life in Thailand...
+1 to that sentiment but it was no mere slam dunk.....that was making birdie/birdie/birdie through
Amen Corner at Augusta National on the final round on Sunday and take a 3 stroke lead.
SR
