How long does it take to beat a suspect in Vancouver?

[sexytime]

Sarcasm is great, but it doesn't really solve anything. If you were given the power of veto to every decision on handling this case, what would you do to discipline the officer and prevent re-occurrences of this ongoing problem? How would you like this to end? I will be both surprised and greatly impressed if someone can come up with a perfect answer, that has no gotchas or loopholes; law is the most loopy of subjects.

I'm usually not that cynical, but my guess of what is going to happen is that they'll apply a reasonably sized amount of resources onto an inquiry against the officer, only to end up suspending him for a few weeks with pay (isn't that the going rate for cops?).

Or to show that police aren't above the law, we should throw him in jail for assault. Then how about, imagine this, if he was more useful to society being outside of jail doing his job than on the inside, that would mean society will suffer.

When choiced between different avenues which all lead to failure on some level, I will root for the one which brings lesser evil. So MY suggestion, as imperfect as any other option I can conceive, would be to congratulate the officers on the arrest, cuff the plain clothes officer and kick him in the chest real hard and let that be the end of it. No taxpayers' money wasted on administrative bullshit, inquiries, etc. because we all know the officer did it (that shit's on mutherfuckin camera), and no time lost from fighting off dangers to those who pay their salary. Sarcastic yes, but looking for a solution with the lesser evil can you do better?

Edit: Eureka!! No Christmas bonus! That will fuck his shit up, and make him think twice about doing it again.

 

[Unpossible]

Sarcasm is great, but it doesn't really solve anything. If you were given the power of veto to every decision on handling this case, what would you do to discipline the officer and prevent re-occurrences of this ongoing problem? How would you like this to end? I will be both surprised and greatly impressed if someone can come up with a perfect answer, that has no gotchas or loopholes; law is the most loopy of subjects.

I'm usually not that cynical, but my guess of what is going to happen is that they'll apply a reasonably sized amount of resources onto an inquiry against the officer, only to end up suspending him for a few weeks with pay (isn't that the going rate for cops?).

Or to show that police aren't above the law, we should throw him in jail for assault. Then how about, imagine this, if he was more useful to society being outside of jail doing his job than on the inside, that would mean society will suffer.

When choiced between different avenues which all lead to failure on some level, I will root for the one which brings lesser evil. So MY suggestion, as imperfect as any other option I can conceive, would be to congratulate the officers on the arrest, cuff the plain clothes officer and kick him in the chest real hard and let that be the end of it. No taxpayers' money wasted on administrative bullshit, inquiries, etc. because we all know the officer did it (that shit's on mutherfuckin camera), and no time lost from fighting off dangers to those who pay their salary. Sarcastic yes, but looking for a solution with the lesser evil can you do better?

Fire him. Other pigs will get the message pretty quick.

 

[sexytime]

Fire him. Other pigs will get the message pretty quick.

Perhaps it's viable and definitely logical, but not perfect because that might not balance all too well. That would only be a lesser evil if he was an officer so corrupt that he is actually better use to society by not working as an officer. Maybe he is but we don't know how great or little his contributions are.

 

[storm rider]

If we had public stoning as a means of punishment the POS repaeting offender would not have done it as
he would know that he would have to endure say 2 weeks of public stoning....staked out 24/7 with the clothes
on his back and bread and water once a day and knowing that if he did it again it would be far more time...regardless of the weather.

Do I have any sympathy for the POS....nope....same as I have no sympathy for the POS crackhead that
smashed in the skull of a gal that worked at a Subway in Forest Lawn a few years back...and right before he smashed her skull in he did the same thing to a guy at an ATM.I hvae no mercy for POS's like this and I would
have no problem letting them ride the lightning in the chair....I think the pennance of public stoning is far worse and it sure as hell is more of a deterrent than a cushy jail cell with 3 square meals a day at the cost to the taxpayer......STONE SOME SENSE INTO THEM.

SR

 

[grusse]

I have to wonder if miss bj would have the same opinion if she had been in the store when this psychotic POS did his thing?

 

[phukedup1]

Perhaps cold blind evolution should be given priority. In which case, I have a proposal. All addicts, mentally and physically impaired individuals, the elderly, and generally those of a poorer and weaker disposition should be put to productive use to serve the wealthy and strong.

The first thing we can set up is camps where these inferior persons holding back the strength of the species can be utilized for medical research. When it comes to the addicts, it would not be much of a stretch for them to participate in radical pharmaceutical research. These weak individuals can still further serve their superiors by providing whatever is left of their bodies to industrial use. We will appreciate the raw material.

And to those parents who complain about their children being bullied, thank you for pointing out these potentially weak individuals. They will be closely monitored for relocation to a camp. While you are at it, please also identify the bullies to us. They will make excellent candidates for the Gestapo, er, I mean the police force.

 

[kickback]

I had a neighbour years ago in east Van get his garage broken into and his golf clubs, lawn mower and chain saw stolen. He got home and saw the door open and the cops down the alley. The cop had the guy with on his knees and cuffed behind his back. The neighbour called the guy a low life for stealing his stuff and the guy said 'fuck you 'cause I'll be back out today and will steal it again'. The cop told the neighbour he had to get something from his car and when his backed was turned my neighbour kicked the guy in the head and knocked him out.

When the paddy wagon showed up the driver was pissed at the cop 'cause the guy had a broken nose and was bleeding lots. The cop said he fell when being chased.

I believe in the court system and peoples rights. On top of that I believe it's ok to kick someone in the head and break their nose if they steal your golf clubs.

It's hard not to agree with everything said here about the cop who kicked the guy in the chest. However, unless you were there, it's our opinions that matter less if it's not happening to us.

 

[westcoast555]

How long does it take to beat a suspect in Vancouver?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-does-it-take-to-beat-a-suspect-in-vancouver/


How long does it take to assault someone? Common sense would tell you as long as it takes to lash out with a foot or fist. The Vancouver Police Department, however, seems to measure time differently.

On Wednesday, a man robbed a Vancouver sex shop of cash and merchandise. He then apparently tried to hijack a car, but the female driver escaped and called police, who located and arrested the suspect, a Ryan James Felton. He was handcuffed and set down on the curb while police apparently decided what to do with him (he was eventually transported to a local hospital and treated for a drug overdose, before being released and charged with robbery). While the police are talking, the man, clearly disoriented, is reeling from side to side. There seems to be some shouting between Mr. Felton and the officers. A plainclothes police officer then kicks Mr. Felton in the chest, knocking him over with a cry of pain. The other police officers standing around appear surprised, but do nothing.

In what’s become a familiar story, the incident came to light because it was caught on film. A producer for CBC Vancouver had his camera running and captured the moment when the officer kicked the handcuffed Mr. Felton. It needs to be made very clear that the suspect was entirely subdued — his hands were cuffed behind his back, he was sitting nearly naked on the ground, surrounded by five men, including at least one confirmed plainclothes officer and two uniformed officers. If one wanted to find a textbook definition of a suspect who was no longer a threat, Mr. Felton would be a fair place to start.

The Vancouver Police, when confronted by the video, promised immediate action. The officer seen kicking the suspect, who is unnamed but said to be a 10-year veteran of the force, has been removed from operational duties and an investigation into the incident has been launched. But Const. Lindsey Houghton, speaking on behalf of the force at a Thursday night press conference, cautioned the media and the public not to rush to judgment.

“The video is extremely brief — it’s only six seconds long,” he said. “It’s a very short snapshot of the entire incident. From the time the robbery took place to the time the man was taken to the hospital was several minutes in length, so six seconds is not a lot of time.”

No. By almost any standard, six seconds is not a lot of time. But exactly how long does it take a person to kick a helpless man? Less than six seconds.

The entire incident highlights yet again the profound disconnect between how the police would react to an incident committed against one of their own by a member of the public, and incident committed by one of their own against that very same public. Imagine, for instance, a CBC producer filming a verbal altercation between a police officer and a civilian, during which the civilian lashes out and strikes the officer.

That civilian would be immediately arrested and charged with whatever the Crown thought would stick. Assault, certainly. Resisting arrest, most likely. Other charges would be likely depending on the circumstances. And you can rest assured the other police officers standing around wouldn’t simply watch with surprise without taking any action. And it wouldn’t matter to the police, not one bit, that the video only showed six seconds of the incident. The civilian striking a police officer would be enough.

And rightfully so. Kicking or punching another person, when not under threat, is an attack. This isn’t hard. The fact that we are absent the context of the entire incident is irrelevant — the apparent crime was the blow itself, not everything before it, and therefore the blow is what needed be established. Six seconds is more than enough to establish that the suspect was handcuffed and on the ground when assaulted, or, in other words, was not a threat.

The Vancouver Police Department will of course conduct their investigation into the incident, as they must. It is highly probable that some action will be taken against the officer who struck Mr. Felton. But that will not be enough to address the bigger issue here. That several other police officers watched the entire incident without interfering, and that the Vancouver Police think the video doesn’t speak for itself, clearly shows the double standard that exists when crimes are allegedly committed by law enforcement officers. The rest of us would be blessed indeed to enjoy the benefit of that much doubt.

You know what? FUCK him. Fuck some drugged out loser who's robbing people and trying to carjack innocent law abiding people. You know what it's like trying to deal with scum like that all day long? He was probably wailing away and mouthing off and I personally don't give a shit if the cop kicked him. I've had it with these drugged out pieces of shit that cost thousands and thousands of dollars and tie up resources and hurt people and damage property and clog up the court system and SUFFER NO CONSEQUENCES. They guy will be out on the street in a week at most and doing it again.

Put your sympathy where it's deserved and don't give the cops such a hard time. You try dealing with guys like that it's not like being a high school teacher. They guy deserves a good thump in the head. One kick to the chest.. who cares? Let it go.

 

[Trus'Me]

I hate to say this because I don't want to fight you guys here, but the fact is no matter what you think, what the cop did is illegal, and it's caught on film. Plain and simple. That's not my opinion. It's the law. And believe it or not, cops are very much NOT above the law. Should we vote in politicians that will change the law so the cops can beat people when they go nuts in the streets? Maybe... I dont know. But regardless of the legal status, I feel only a coward would kick a cuffed, naked man. Sorry, it's just how I was raised.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Aleister Crowley]

Bijou , its bleeding hearts like u and sleezbag lawyers that are fucking up are system.
You have zero sense of reality for what this useless piece of shit is or what his actions do to innocent people.
Or for what our cops have to go thru , the cop probably was wound up in the moment , rightfully so and saw and heard the poor victims freaking out from the shock and trauma of a addict waving a knife in her face. You feel for the poor victim (at least some of us do Bijiou) then this piece of shit starts mouthing off about his rights and ouch your hurting me bullshit. Shut the fuck up junkie and kick him in the chest. big fucking deal.
Its time for a clense of the addicts in vancouver... like they do in many cities in this world.
give them free needles soaked in cyanide!!!!

 

[phukedup1]

Indeed! The poor and desperate are so unpleasant.

 

[Aleister Crowley]

No , the poor are not unpleasent . desperate and unfortuanate , yes.
but the crackhead junkie who waves a gun or knife in a victims face is a very unpleasant experience for the victim.
I sense your another of Bijou's bleeding hearts ?

 

[CorriGuy]

Bijou , its bleeding hearts like u ...

Heh. You say "bleeding hearts" like it's a bad thing. Fact is, it's the world's all-too-small number of bleeding hearts who have made this world a better place for many. Certainly a better place than the efforts done by any "me first" types.

Give me bleeding heart types all day long.

 

[blazejowski]

Heh. You say "bleeding hearts" like it's a bad thing. Fact is, it's the world's all-too-small number of bleeding hearts who have made this world a better place for many. Certainly a better place than the efforts done by any "me first" types.

Give me bleeding heart types all day long.

It is a bad thing... society is so pussyfied lately, it makes me sick....

 

[doctorkoma]

I hope your tongue is in your cheek.
If not, Fuck off asshole

 

[Aleister Crowley]

if there is to be any open season , i hope it starts with culling the crackheads and junkies of our society , because , they never ever will be a contributor.
they are a cancer in society and we need to face that fact.

 

[phukedup1]

People should not delude themselves into thinking that we are a more sophisticated society today than we were in the past. From the vitriol that has been espoused on this thread it is easily apparent that the methods used by the Nazis to come to power in Germany in the 1930 are still powerful tools. Inspiring hatred, violence and other baser emotional responses are extremely convenient tools to manipulate the masses.

 

[Tugela]

You guys are hilarious. Yah, let's throw the rule of law out the window. Who wants to be a civilized society anymore? Or democratic for that matter! Way overrated. While we're at it, who needs courts? Judges and lawyers are overpaid, so let's just get rid of 'em and let the police decide on the spot how they want to handle someone who commits a crime. Who needs to go through a long legal process when cops can simply give those criminals what they deserve. They can decide what's appropriate right on the spot (well, on ce the suspect is immobilized and subdued, of course!). Lets provide them with a few different weapons and allow them to decide whether the suspect deserves a punch, a kick, a baseball bat, metal bar or a shot in the back of the head. Let's look the other way if they think the process should be drawn out, more painful than a simple shot in the head. Let's embrace and take pride in our return to barbarian times!! Who doesn't want to live in a world of savages? I can't wait!!!!






But maxx50, don't you know it could NEVER happen to them? They're simply better, superior and different from that sort of scum. They're immune to this, especially if they're white, middle class or above and middle age or older!!! There's no way it could never happen to them. And if it happens to you, then the police felt you deserved it so it goes without saying that clearly you deserve it.

Yes, but what you don't know is what all happened the half hour BEFORE those six seconds. You can't just judge six seconds in isolation.

 

[Unpossible]

Yes, but what you don't know is what all happened the half hour BEFORE those six seconds. You can't just judge six seconds in isolation.

What happened before is irrelevant.

 

[CorriGuy]

I have to wonder if miss bj would have the same opinion if she had been in the store when this psychotic POS did his thing?

Strawman arguments like this are just so weak. For every "what if it was you" one could turn that 180 around and say, okay, what if you were out for a jog down some Vancouver back alley in your favourite tear offs and wifebeater t-shirt, the cops come running along looking for a junkie who just raped a dog or something, spot you because you look like the description they got, and take you down, and take you down hard. You're indignant and flipping out, so the cops start just beating the shit out of you to get you under control. You continue proclaiming your innocence and yelling, so they kick you in the chest to shut you the fuck up.

I guess since they "deal with junkies and PoS all day long", it'd be fine right? As long as they maybe just said sorry or something to you afterwards.

The law is the law is the law. The law is there to PROTECT THE INNOCENT; and by doing so, unfortunately assholes and junkies and thieves and rapists and murderers get the "benefit" of that protection too.

The law, and the application of such isn't there to coddle the scum; this perception of coddling is just a byproduct. The law and its application and enforcement exists to PROTECT THE INNOCENT, especially when it comes to things like this kick to the chest a handcuffed man got. I do not trust anyone's wide interpretation of what the "law" is and who is innocent and who is guilty in a fly-by-the-moment situation like a perp takedown. Enforce the fucking law, and follow the fucking law, cops, and nothing more, nothing less. There's been many cases historically of people who everyone and their dog thought was guilty of a crime and it turned out they were innocent. It is not up to a cop on the scene to take the law into his own hands and provide an interpretation of it.

I'll take the rule of law any day even if it means "scum get coddled". , and when a cop breaks a law, they need to be held fully accountable -even more so than just average citizens. I'd rather the "scum" get a bit of coddling (as some of you point out) than have one innocent person beat up by a cop because the cop just thought the person was shady or guilty. If you or anyone else wants cowboy frontier justice where vigilanteism and lynchings are common, I hear that lifestyle can be lived to the fullest in places like Afghanistan.

PS just so you don't think I'm entirely a 'bleeding heart liberal, I also believe harsh punishments (by a court of law) should match the crime, especially for certain crimes. While I don't support the death penalty I do think rapists should have their dicks cut off. And even worse punishments for child molesters - they lose the dicks and testies, and get sentenced to 30 years hard labour up north of the Arctic line.