Same, when I am dating a woman whether I am paying or not I could not care less, if I am getting it for free or otherwise I am just appreciating that.
How important are providers'/clients' political opinions to you?
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This is what gave me pause. I certainly don't need to live in an echo chamber and agree on every subject, but the SP I was thinking of reaching out to posted a lot of transphobic content... that's a little harder for me to overlook 😳
Well this is just typical virtue signaling by some of these folks, trying to build their following.
An SP is providing a service and is either running a business or an independent contractor at the end of the day.
My general principal with spending my cash is I will generally drop it at businesses that align with my values. I haven’t stepped inside of a McDonald’s for more than 20 years because of their industrial relationship with food. I shop at Costco because they have fair labor practices and they consistently make the Top-50-Employer lists in the US. I try to buy local to keep my dollars in the local economy.
While my first text with an SP is not going to be, “what do you think of the convoy protesters?” I am not going to engage with the SP if they’re racist or start going on about politics that are on the fringes.
Someone else said it already, but it’s best to keep politics out of the bedroom.
My general principal with spending my cash is I will generally drop it at businesses that align with my values. I haven’t stepped inside of a McDonald’s for more than 20 years because of their industrial relationship with food. I shop at Costco because they have fair labor practices and they consistently make the Top-50-Employer lists in the US. I try to buy local to keep my dollars in the local economy.
While my first text with an SP is not going to be, “what do you think of the convoy protesters?” I am not going to engage with the SP if they’re racist or start going on about politics that are on the fringes.
Someone else said it already, but it’s best to keep politics out of the bedroom.
It was me wasn’t it? It was definitely me and my tweet about that Karen who went off at me in Michael’s when I called the thanksgiving aisle the “colonization” aisle. 😂
anyways yeah if you’re super conservative don’t book me, like how could I feel safe with someone who was say, pro life? Means they don’t think I should have control over my own body. Which means DANGER for me.
having said that I’ve had more conservative clients than me (it isn’t hard when you grew up on Star Trek/space socialism and have super idealistic political leanings) and we have talked about politics and it’s been fine. You don’t have to agree about everything to get along. And hey, maybe one (or both) of us will learn something! Fuck the echo chambers.
anyways yeah if you’re super conservative don’t book me, like how could I feel safe with someone who was say, pro life? Means they don’t think I should have control over my own body. Which means DANGER for me.
having said that I’ve had more conservative clients than me (it isn’t hard when you grew up on Star Trek/space socialism and have super idealistic political leanings) and we have talked about politics and it’s been fine. You don’t have to agree about everything to get along. And hey, maybe one (or both) of us will learn something! Fuck the echo chambers.
The chick with the full on confederate flag tattoos who couldn’t be bothered to hide them and in fact flaunted them (clearly was looking for like minded white clients), and the white woman who insisted she understood racism because she’s jewish, and couldn’t engage in a constructive conversation about industry racism and instead blocked and then went on a smear campaign against the providers who tried to have a friendly discourse?
I know you’re talking about me babe. If you think I’m attacking providers by calling out racism when actually I’m protecting my colleagues and clients of colour instead of thinking those providers are attacking people because of their ethnicity I don’t know what to say.
Well if the glove fits Charles.
You're not protecting anyone, other than exposing other SP's to people who may harm them. So much for being someone who cares about fellow sex workers when you're throwing them under the bus. As for the girl with the confederate flag tattoos for all you know that may have been something a pimp may have set up for her. You need to think about the potential harm you may be causing to fellow sex workers. Let us the clients come to our conclusions. I would never see either of the providers you mention, for the same reasons you're calling them out, but I wouldn't use my following if I had one to expose them to danger. You've said things in the past indicating that all your clients have the potential to turn to crap on you, and that it's a matter of time for them. Why would you say that about clients and then expose fellow workers to clients who may ticking time bombs? For someone who claims to mean well, you sure have a way of coming off as a jealous clout chaser willing to sabotage other sex workers (starting off new), and who are vulnerable as is and exposing them to potential harm. Whatever happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt and engaging them privately with your concerns? How quick would you also be willing to call out and expose a sex worker if they were drugging and robbing people?
I did engage both of these people privately before going public. You have literally no idea of the relationship I had with either of these women before this happened.
Someone drugging and robbing people isn't a sex worker, that's a scam artist.
I believe we have a responsibility to hold each other accountable for shitty actions.
Feel free to never book me and also feel free to stop calling me names
also as a note if a provider gets assaulted after being called out for racist behaviour that is not my fault, or their fault; it is the fault of the person who assaults them and no one else.
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This topic always comes up, lol...
Found my old post about it:
"Honestly, I have to ask though,.. Is it "assault" if you present a political point of view that is a direct polar opposite of the provider's anytime during or after the deed? So directly opposite they're triggered beyond all belief that reality seems to crumble around them?
You enter the room, money changed hands, a little get to know you chat (nothing too in-depth, more like "how's the weather?" kind of thing), ...then you 'get it on', and just before you cash in on that COB extra, you shout, "Aww yeah babe, here comes the FREEDOM CONVOY!"... and instead of her twisting over in a sexy pose to get plastered on, she reels back in disgust going "shiiiiit, he's one of those FREE-DUM guys, gross."...then you're frantically getting dressed because she looks like she's about to call the cops on you....
Or things like,:
- "Aww babe, I'm going to pull out like Biden did in Afghanistan!"
- "I'm going to school your ass like it's Critical Race Theory!"
- "Hey sweetie, do you do Outcalls, you should see my house, it's bigger than the one the 'Black Lives Matter' founders bought after dodging their taxes."
- "Dayum Gurl, I must a Trans-athlete in a woman's sport event, because you make me feel like a winner!"
- "Oh wow, I haven't felt this great since Rittenhouse was aquitted."
- "Phew, you faked it so good, you could've made me believe Climate Change was real."
- "You are 19 right?....and your name isn't Velasquez is it?"
- "According to the World Economic Forum, there's really no point in paying you, and since a Canadian Social Credit system isn't in place quite yet, I'll pay you with a good review on PERB instead."
- ...how messed up would it be if I hired a real Ukrainian and a Russian Girl to have sex on a bed, while I sat watching them from a chair in the corner wearing a CCP shirt with no pants, while another blonde hair/blue eye Texan girl wearing an American flag bikini and cowboy boots was on her knees, fellating me...? No music, just listening to Joe Rogan's podcast... "
Found my old post about it:
"Honestly, I have to ask though,.. Is it "assault" if you present a political point of view that is a direct polar opposite of the provider's anytime during or after the deed? So directly opposite they're triggered beyond all belief that reality seems to crumble around them?
You enter the room, money changed hands, a little get to know you chat (nothing too in-depth, more like "how's the weather?" kind of thing), ...then you 'get it on', and just before you cash in on that COB extra, you shout, "Aww yeah babe, here comes the FREEDOM CONVOY!"... and instead of her twisting over in a sexy pose to get plastered on, she reels back in disgust going "shiiiiit, he's one of those FREE-DUM guys, gross."...then you're frantically getting dressed because she looks like she's about to call the cops on you....
Or things like,:
- "Aww babe, I'm going to pull out like Biden did in Afghanistan!"
- "I'm going to school your ass like it's Critical Race Theory!"
- "Hey sweetie, do you do Outcalls, you should see my house, it's bigger than the one the 'Black Lives Matter' founders bought after dodging their taxes."
- "Dayum Gurl, I must a Trans-athlete in a woman's sport event, because you make me feel like a winner!"
- "Oh wow, I haven't felt this great since Rittenhouse was aquitted."
- "Phew, you faked it so good, you could've made me believe Climate Change was real."
- "You are 19 right?....and your name isn't Velasquez is it?"
- "According to the World Economic Forum, there's really no point in paying you, and since a Canadian Social Credit system isn't in place quite yet, I'll pay you with a good review on PERB instead."
- ...how messed up would it be if I hired a real Ukrainian and a Russian Girl to have sex on a bed, while I sat watching them from a chair in the corner wearing a CCP shirt with no pants, while another blonde hair/blue eye Texan girl wearing an American flag bikini and cowboy boots was on her knees, fellating me...? No music, just listening to Joe Rogan's podcast... "
Only if you know that the person on the other side is open to discuss differences, dont judge your opinion, and even understand your reasoning. Otherwise it's all waste specially on those two topics where it has very less room for deviating from beliefs. For example, Just a simple sentence like "I am a Trump supporter" will lead to so much trolling, people will question my integrity, intellect and even silent opinion of me that how bad person I am.
Anyways politics and religion both can't be discussed in an hour session with a provider, so imo leaving it completely is a best option, thats the reason I mentioned in "normal conversation". Ofcourse there are multiple stages/forums/threads to discuss and I do agree we should discuss uncomfortable topics on those platforms.
I have exercised my freedom not to book you since you started and nothing will change that. What names have I called you exactly?I did engage both of these people privately before going public. You have literally no idea of the relationship I had with either of these women before this happened.
Someone drugging and robbing people isn't a sex worker, that's a scam artist.
I believe we have a responsibility to hold each other accountable for shitty actions.
Feel free to never book me and also feel free to stop calling me names
also as a note if a provider gets assaulted after being called out for racist behaviour that is not my fault, or their fault; it is the fault of the person who assaults them and no one else.
Nothing wrong with calling out a Karen on a civie level. No one is going to seek them out to harm them for their misguided perception.
Those providers had a different story to share and the one with the confederate tattoos went on to remove them from her ads, maybe all you had to do was give her time after you engaged her to smarten up.
A lot of these scammers tend to have onlyfans or some type of content of themselves. This makes them sex workers, and using their foot in the door as sex workers they have robbed and assaulted clients.
You may not be legally responsible for a sex worker getting assaulted for calling her views racist on a public platform, for something like wanting to know someone's ethnicity... but you are knowingly calling them out on a public platform where crazies exist and may target them as a result.
Personally I really don't care. All I want is to have a good time.
As long they aren't spouting their political views/agenda during the session, I wouldn't care less.
As provider I can imagine it can gets tricky, but as client though its pretty straightforward.
As long they aren't spouting their political views/agenda during the session, I wouldn't care less.
As provider I can imagine it can gets tricky, but as client though its pretty straightforward.
I think it's obvious that, to most people, politics do not matter when we're looking for the most fun with our naked hour (or two). How politics affects one you're spending that naked hour with, however, is another story altogether.
I can honestly say I've had great dates with like-minded as well as differently-minded people. Extreme or hardened views on either side always make me uncomfortable (for reasons that go beyond this posts' topic/focus).
I have had occasion where a SW brings up something and I brace myself for an extreme view (like she believes in QAnon or something like that) but thankfully it is nothing of the sort. There have been some other times where an SW brings up a question on a topic and when I share some background, she's quite excited to learn more (and vice versa!) - these are always the most lovely exchanges.
As long as both parties are inquisitive, respectful, & thoughtful, bringing up politics, religion, and other 'sensitive' topics can be enlightening. I know that may not be what everyone is looking for and that's fine too.
I have had occasion where a SW brings up something and I brace myself for an extreme view (like she believes in QAnon or something like that) but thankfully it is nothing of the sort. There have been some other times where an SW brings up a question on a topic and when I share some background, she's quite excited to learn more (and vice versa!) - these are always the most lovely exchanges.
As long as both parties are inquisitive, respectful, & thoughtful, bringing up politics, religion, and other 'sensitive' topics can be enlightening. I know that may not be what everyone is looking for and that's fine too.
With limited resources, it is not possible to see every SW whose ads get you horny. So something is going to get you to reduce that list - yes, it is a competition of sorts for a your limited dollars, even if the potential recipients are not aware of it going on inside your head.
That being said...
Why would you bother with seeing someone you just don't / can't respect? I'm not talking about conduct in a session here, I'm just talking about what happens when you end up with a lower opinion of someone you could go see, compared to someone else. Y
There are lot of different kinds of red flags, and while I do not think my political views must align with those I see (which is probably impossible anyway), at some point even trying to be non-judgemental breaks down under the pressure of hearing something that causes you to lose respect for that person. You realize you would be paying for the companionship of someone who in any other circumstance you can't stand.
We are all judgemental, and that is not always a bad thing when trying to keep out of negative situations.
Besides, do you actually think you would have that James Bond effect, so good in bed it causes her to switch sides?
That being said...
Why would you bother with seeing someone you just don't / can't respect? I'm not talking about conduct in a session here, I'm just talking about what happens when you end up with a lower opinion of someone you could go see, compared to someone else. Y
There are lot of different kinds of red flags, and while I do not think my political views must align with those I see (which is probably impossible anyway), at some point even trying to be non-judgemental breaks down under the pressure of hearing something that causes you to lose respect for that person. You realize you would be paying for the companionship of someone who in any other circumstance you can't stand.
We are all judgemental, and that is not always a bad thing when trying to keep out of negative situations.
Besides, do you actually think you would have that James Bond effect, so good in bed it causes her to switch sides?
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