How do these Korean girls get into the business in the first place?

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Well, a recent experience has changed how I see these girls in the industry. Before, I saw it as a business transaction between two consenting adults, with nothing more than sexual release for the guys and cash for the girls. However, a young Korean girl that I've recently met made me think about the darker side to the industry, and it's been a concern. Now, I'm not saying that she was forced into service, but how are these girls coming into the country? Are they coming in with student visas, or through other means? What are the relationship between the sps and the papasan/mamasan? Is it a mutual cooperation, or is it achieved through coercion? And finally, how much are these girls paid for each customer she brings in?

I know this hobby of ours is not all pretty and nice, but just how bad are the scenes that go on behind the girls?
 

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Well, a recent experience has changed how I see these girls in the industry. Before, I saw it as a business transaction between two consenting adults, with nothing more than sexual release for the guys and cash for the girls. However, a young Korean girl that I've recently met made me think about the darker side to the industry, and it's been a concern. Now, I'm not saying that she was forced into service, but how are these girls coming into the country? Are they coming in with student visas, or through other means? What are the relationship between the sps and the papasan/mamasan? Is it a mutual cooperation, or is it achieved through coercion? And finally, how much are these girls paid for each customer she brings in?

I know this hobby of ours is not all pretty and nice, but just how bad are the scenes that go on behind the girls?
There is a lot of thought about this subject and about foreign asian gals working in micros in general from my experience.I myself have only posted 2 reviews thus far but my experience is far greater than that due to posting on another board.My fave place I visit is Sugarland....total VFM and a wicked time is had....the ugly speculation/accusation/rumour by a lot of the local gals in Calgary (both directly and indirectly through secondary user profiles) about human trafficking has arisen many times.And it is total BS(with regards to Sugarland)the gals have their own cell phones and are provided with laptops with internet access....hardly something you would give to a captive.One of the many gals I have seen...Cara(who holds the record for the longest stint at Sugarland) got into this as a means to provide for her family in south Korea and buy them a home.Another gal I saw many times(and have posted a review on PERB about) is Jenna....I did a favour for SugarK and took Jenna to open a bank account and she was loaded with 3 different cellphones....her Korean passport as well as a wad of cash thick enough to choke a hippo(human slave I think not)A lot of the gals are on here on student visas.....about 99% of them...though they know they are not here for that....this is a way to make a lot of cash as compared to say working in a factory in Korea to improve the gals life and that of her family....a pretty noble concept when you think about it.Are there asian girls out there that are victims of human trafficking....IMO yes there are.....I am thinking that this mostly occurs in the USA and not Canada though.

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marsvolta

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i just have to pipe up about this topic as i had a k-girl delivered to my hotel room in vancouver this weekend.

brobrosan seemed like the kinda guy who would have no problem withholding a passport until his investment brought a good return. k-girl told me that she had been here for seven months and had no idea what canada was like because she hadn't yet seen the light of day. seven months of working every day.

these are the kinda signals that usually indicate that a closer look will find something very not cool going on.
 

ilovejenny

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i just have to pipe up about this topic as i had a k-girl delivered to my hotel room in vancouver this weekend.

brobrosan seemed like the kinda guy who would have no problem withholding a passport until his investment brought a good return. k-girl told me that she had been here for seven months and had no idea what canada was like because she hadn't yet seen the light of day. seven months of working every day.

these are the kinda signals that usually indicate that a closer look will find something very not cool going on.
It just means they look outside and see empty streets and lack of business activity, compared to back home, plus stuff around here is not entertaining to them. So they think why bother going outside, there's nothing fun to do, white people are loud and rude when they get drunk, and the food sucks except in isolated ethnic places. Thats why the Asian ladies stay indoors all the time no matter where in Asia they are from. Plus Canada is expensive so why spend their hard earned dollars sucking cock on shit they don't need, clothes here don't even fit them like back home.
 

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There are many reasons how they get into the industry. Some are students who just want to make an extra buck, some are professional working girls who thought they could make more money overseas than their home countries, and there are others who are being forced into the industry.

Anyways, no matter in what ways they got into the industry, I hope that they will stay in this industry. Think about it, if they are independent escorts, they could easily charge $300 - $400 an hour regarding to their looks. If I poon on average once a week, that is going to cost me about $700 more each month, that more than the car lease of a Mercedes Benz E-Class.

Therefore, if you are supporting human rights that's great, and I support human rights too, but please don't take any actions further, or it will be too costly to us pooners.
 

marsvolta

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she wanted a day off, she wanted to go home... she probably wanted to stop sucking brobrosans cock for free.

i'm sure that there are foreign girls here who are having the time of their lives... but probably most are not. and the only word for it is 'human trafficking'.
 

marsvolta

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There are many reasons how they get into the industry. Some are students who just want to make an extra buck, some are professional working girls who thought they could make more money overseas than their home countries, and there are others who are being forced into the industry.

Anyways, no matter in what ways they got into the industry, I hope that they will stay in this industry. Think about it, if they are independent escorts, they could easily charge $300 - $400 an hour regarding to their looks. If I poon on average once a week, that is going to cost me about $700 more each month, that more than the car lease of a Mercedes Benz E-Class.

Therefore, if you are supporting human rights that's great, and I support human rights too, but please don't take any actions further, or it will be too costly to us pooners.
wow, you suck... you're a total asshole. if i had girls chained up in my basement going for $50 a shot would you be lining up?

i guess the cops 'busting joes' idea is not so bad after all...
 

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Marsvolta, I think you have a too negative perception about human trafficking and the sex industry.
Firstly, not all human trafficking are being forced, many people want to immigrate overseas to search for better lives, but they just can't get the visa legally, so they WILLINGLY paid money to some agencies and let the agencies traffick them overseas illegally. Regarding the sex industry, I believe many girls prefer to work in micros than working in factories 8 hours a day, since the girl's english is not fluent, they can hardly find any works except for hard labour. There was a micro girl told me that she worked there beacuse she thought being a waitress is too time-comsuming and not being paid enough.
 

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"Human Trafficking is the practice of people being tricked, lured, coerced or otherwise removed from their home or country, and then forced to work with no or low payment or on terms which are highly exploitative. The practice is considered to be the trade or commerce of people, which has many features of slavery, and which is illegal in most countries. The victims of human trafficking are used in a variety of situations, including prostitution, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and other forms of involuntary servitude."

if you've met girls who are here because they have made the decision that the money that they will make is sufficient for the work that they must perform then thats not human trafficking. if, for any reason, someone is acting because of a concern as mentioned in the definition i've provided then thats human trafficking.
 

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"Human Trafficking is the practice of people being tricked, lured, coerced or otherwise removed from their home or country, and then forced to work with no or low payment or on terms which are highly exploitative. The practice is considered to be the trade or commerce of people, which has many features of slavery, and which is illegal in most countries. The victims of human trafficking are used in a variety of situations, including prostitution, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and other forms of involuntary servitude."

if you've met girls who are here because they have made the decision that the money that they will make is sufficient for the work that they must perform then thats not human trafficking. if, for any reason, someone is acting because of a concern as mentioned in the definition i've provided then thats human trafficking.
It is quite obvious that your assessment of the so-called "Human Trafficking" phenomena is influenced by the propaganda of the masses who are trying to raise funds based on little or no fact, but lots of sexy "stories" to sell to you. One word of caution, don't fall for it, bro! They just want one thing; Your money.

There have been plenty of threads on the subject, but not one has been able to uncover one single documented case of human trafficking. You know why?!??! Because it simply doesn't exist on as large a scale as these "for profit" companies will have you believe. Do a search. There are a lot of threads with the same topic.

Take it from the girl who is in the thick of the whole debate with all the agencies involved, my hero, Susi! What a wonderful woman!

You should read her assessment of the industry, as follows.


just try to remember we are all being fed alot of hype on this issue. i know agencies who go into the amp's and micro's and give out info in language appropriate ways. they just do business differently. it's quantity, not quality and even from what've read some quality too!!!

here's what i wrote when the question came up else where recently. also, i recently met with GAATW- global alliance to combat trafficking in women. check out their page and get a clearer picture. just because a person works hard- 24/7- doesn't mean they are forced, some are sending money home like many other ex-pats.

trafficking does happen, just not as much as people fear.

i wrote as follows-

the buying sex is not a sport idiots are using debunked data and fear mongering. and the other video is also abolitionist rhetoric.

yes it does happen, but am begginning to think that the "trafficking victims" in the videos were never trafficked or even sex workers. they act as if they were in order to make money and further their goals of abolition. it has happened in the past where women have lied about being sex workers(having lived experience) in order to get jobs, justify their positions,etc. i have seen it with my own eyes.

you have to research the groups releasing these videos as to who is funding them. the salvation army?churches or religious groups? the problem is that the infamous "rape relief" women's shelter in in charge of alot of these activities here and receive core funding from the provincial government- health authority. because they enjoy this stability they can direct any funds trhey raise towards their political agenda- abolition of sex work.

sex worker run organizations are closing their doors because of a lack of core funding while these guys get to continue on un interupted by funding issues. we are fighting them all the time but is difficult without any financial support.

my parents told me a long time agpo to focus my efforts locally to see the best results and they were right. lucky for as a result of years of working with police, health, city staff,etc- in vancouver at least systems are aware of the "fear mongering for profit" of these groups and are not swayed or moved into action by such out and out lies.

yes, there were raids in vancouver in 2006-07. no trafficking victims were found and many workers were deported for working in canada illegally. i don't know if you all remember but as a result the AMPS started becoming micro's to hide from authorities and there were a group of cowards going around robbing the micros. it went on for awhile and no one called police for fear of deportation.

it all culminated when "brobrosan" was murdered defending the lives of workers in a yaletown micro.

so please. don't believe the hype. its the newest way for the feminazis to say we are all victims and need rescuing and none of us would choose sex work. remember, in engalnd there were supposed to be 80,000 victims of trafficking and after raiding 900 brothels, how many victims were found?....none.zero.

i have even recently had a chance to review new materials for the RCMP- a training video on human trafficking, and the focus of the video was not sex trafficking, it was construction workers. trafficking is not limited to sex work and in fact is far more prevelent amongst other industries. this just further supports what i have known all along. even the federales get it. these feminazi groups are using fear of the unknown-sex workers lives-to raise money.they don't care about the consequences and that people die. they would harm a woman to save a woman. total hypocrites and liars.

love susieXXXO
 

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"Human Trafficking is the practice of people being tricked, lured, coerced or otherwise removed from their home or country, and then forced to work with no or low payment or on terms which are highly exploitative. The practice is considered to be the trade or commerce of people, which has many features of slavery, and which is illegal in most countries. The victims of human trafficking are used in a variety of situations, including prostitution, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and other forms of involuntary servitude."

if you've met girls who are here because they have made the decision that the money that they will make is sufficient for the work that they must perform then thats not human trafficking. if, for any reason, someone is acting because of a concern as mentioned in the definition i've provided then thats human trafficking.
After well have understood " human trafficking" differently. For me illegal immigrants = human trafficking, and many other cultures and nations define human trafficking same as me.
 

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By the way, many girls told me they felt safer working in micros and mp, they said they afriad violent customers and it's good to have protections from agencies.
Indeed, not only the girls felt safer when working in micros and mp, I also don't trust independent sp very much (afraid of trap, rip-off, or not offering enought service... etc)
 

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There are many many many MANY micros in Greater Vancouver area..
many sps knows each other one way or the other.. so one way of getting into the business is being introduced by one other.
another way is going through what's called 'agent' whom will assign those girls to business at the cost of business owner usually.
As far as I know, I doubt that there are 'forced' sex workers in Vancouver and no unless they want to, they don't suck brobosan's dick for free.
There is always shortage in supply for those working woman especially if they are young and attractive so if they are not happy with their papasan/brobosan, they can easily find next micro to work for the next day.
They make considerable amount of money. more than quadriple what average Canadian make if they work hard... but that's far too little money to work for if you actually think about the fact that they have to suck some stranger's dick whom could be ugly as fuck or gross....
I personally never pooned or was anywhere close to this business but I met some friends who were into this business so that's what I know from them....
 
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