How Chinese SPs get trained: anyone interested in joining my field research?

[tantalizeme]

Appreciate the healthy diversity of opinion

The art of sexuality is a wonderful thing and those who enjoy the practice are lucky.

As to the opportunities of village girls in 3rd world countries, I wonder if it would be easy for an uneducated rural girl to grab the first bus out of town and get a job as a secretary in a nice office building?

No? Then that really only leaves two choices. Pretty much the same two choices as under educated American women faced with low paying factory work in the 1930s.


(Most of the debts are family debts.)

I am sure that Tant is cognizant of all this and will treat the young women with a respect they rarely encounter, and, perhaps for an hour or two actually enjoy their job.

Thanks, brothers, for wishing me well in my research mission. A tough job, but someone's got to do it.

I'm not a defender of China's ruthless social system. The squalor that the poorer half billion people there face is unimaginable to those who haven't seen it—a result of bankrupt communism being replaced with cut-throat capitalism, together with catastrophic overpopulation. China is now around number 130 in the world in per capita income.

Having no hope of changing the world, I just want to live out my life tasting erotic sweetness wherever I can affordably find it.

I sincerely thank laurel love for her faith that I'll treat overseas SPs "with a respect they rarely encounter, and [help them], perhaps for an hour or two actually enjoy their job." That's certainly my fondest intent, beautifully expressed.

I thank Yoko Yummi for recommending the book, On the Move: Women and Rural-To-Urban Migration in Contemporary China. I love to read and learn.

Wonderful, Susi, that you try to include Chinese SPs in your educational efforts, which I imagine is an uphill struggle. Enlightened Western SPs should see them as you do: as their less privileged sisters rather than just as unwelcome competitors that undercut the going rate.

Pillowtalk is her usual endearingly bristly self. I don't mind a bit of intelligent antagonism. As for "assembly line" sex (I prefer to call it "fixed recipe sex"), well, like sex work itself, some like it, some don't. If fixed recipe sex with trained professionals feels as good as it certainly does to me—provided there's a bit of flexibility for my initiative as well—then I prefer recipe sex anytime to the spontaneous efforts of untrained fumblers. But, as always, to each their own.

Life in Third World countries is harsh for most women (and most men who don't have the option of paid sex work). After pondering the issue of sex tourism I've concluded that I don't do poor women a favor by denying them my business.

Sure, I could spend my money buying more consumer junk. But I think by helping out a few downtrodden women financially—while savoring their erotic radiance—I leave far less of a destructive ecological footprint.

 

[tantalizeme]

Saying all Asian SP's are forced into sex work is as much a leap as saying all independent SP's are financing a habit.

I imagine there is a lot of grey between the black and white.


I think you would be foolish to think neither are possible though. With that in mind, I guess it's choosing what is the right path for you as that's the only thing really in your control.

Hey ThanksforCumming,

I totally agree—there're lots of shades of grey when it comes to judging a social phenomenon like 300 000 SPs in one town.

For those like you and me, who like to understand the dynamics of these things, the following article (in delightful Chinglish) sheds some light on what's going on. (ChangPing is a township located in the much larger metropolis of Dongguan.)

http://misteryong.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/some-thoughts-about-dongguan-sauna/

Some thoughts about Dongguan Sauna

Dongguan has got the nick name as “Sex capital, desert of Cultural, Hell of workers’, men’s paradise”, all these are not nonsense, it got its own reason.

1. Origin of Prostitutes and their customers.
Dongguan is a highly industrialized city, and named as the ‘factory of the world’, most the commodities produced here are exported. All the land is covered by factories and even no farmland can be seen here. Among these factories, most are handmade jobs and low mechanized, so there need lots of worker, mainly women worker. Because they can do the same job men can and they are more gentle, quiet and easy management, most important they are less paid than man.

So many factories are filled with women workers, most are girls exactly, they education level normally is junior high school. They are recruited directly from northern China rural place, this is the first time to be alone and go to work so far from parents. Their average income, mainly salary, is less than 2000RMB(310usd equivalent) while they have to work for 12-16 hours a day 26-31days a month. Their food and accommodation is bad too, 7RMB foods a day and 6-10 persons in a less than 10m2 room in bunk beds suffering up to 40 heat in summer without no air-conditioner. Their low pay makes the products competitive in world markets and high profit of the exporter and trading dealers.

In the factories, the green, naïve, pure girl worker age normally around 16 to 20, they feel lonely, scared to the new environments. They can only call parents and talk to friends on QQ to warm their heart. So the male worker has chances to seduce girl worker to sex. Many men workers in factories even have 2 or more wives or sex partners. But finally they get abandoned by the men as China law regulates one wife for one husband.

Out of the factories, the girls are seduced on QQ to date with other guys from society, many have been drunk and drugged in drinks then raped. Some also get deceived by being introduced to procurer, first as companions only for drinking and singing in KTV, but later can’t stand the high-paid tips for sex, most get depraved and become prostitutes.

Also for some girls they can’t bear the low paid salary when consuming in this commercialized city, the RMB get devalued and severe economy inflation make their salary less and less. The leaflets posted on street lamp pole and bus station board explicitly showed that a KTV/sauna/companion earns tens thousands a month, which is hundreds times more than a factory worker.

All these lead a normal factory girl to become a prostitute.

Their customers are mainly HongKong and Taiwan men, but as the service reputation spread out. Newly some Southeast Asian men(Chinese descendant), rich boss and corruptive governors from North China, as well as some foreigners join this army. They make the business more prosperous.

As China’s open policy from 1978, the investors and entrepreneurs from Hongkong and Taiwan came to establish factories in Delta Pearl River which including Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Huizhou, Zhongshan, Foshan and Jiangmen, etc. The most of them chose GZ, DG and SZ as their base because policy and geographic advantage, but after their settlement, they had new problem besides policy. They couldn’t take their families with them, they needed to find alternatives for sex. So there was the first lot of prostitute in Delta Pearl Delta.

After years of growth, the prostitute army became stronger and this caused the un-Harmony to Socialism China. So the governors needed to suppress its overspreading. The most severely was GZ and SZ, because GZ is the capital of Guangdong province and so many armies and institutes stay there, SZ is the “window of China reform and opening”. Many prostitutes were driven out to DG and they gathered again to their business.

So here comes the name “sex capital of China’ and it’s became famous in East Asia. Many Taiwan men participate tourism group and come to DG for sex trips, you can see the advertisement on many Taiwan website. So does some HongKong men, as the metro and rail way transportation is very convenient these days, it takes 2hours from HongKong to prostitute in DG. Thus, you can find many forums in HK web discussing this topic, also many magazines guide the prostitute site and price and girls photos.

In mainland China, this kind of advertisement is governmentally prohibited. But underground, the topic is very hot discussed in forum, QQ blog, QQ groups, etc. The government censored political(Tiananmen slaughter/human rights) more severely than pornography, from some forum you can still obtain this kind of info freely.

In fact, these kinds of brothels in name of Hotel, Spa, KTV, club, foot massage, hair salon are well known to offer sex service among citizens as well as local police enforcements. Ironically, these polices don’t implement according to law but as protectors and messenger while porn-vanishing raid coming. The truth is the head officers of these enforcements are the shareholder or at least accepted bribery. So every time the raid comes and brothels closing for days and re-open later and they never get vanished.

 

[violetblake]

Enlightened Western SPs should see them as you do: as their less privileged sisters rather than just as unwelcome competitors that undercut the going rate.

I'm not trying to stir up more debate, but in case you were referring to Melina or I, or anyone else who takes our view, it should be quite clear that's not why we're speaking up. Our entire viewpoint is based on the fact that people should be aware that not all SPs have fully chosen this and to have compassion for these women and don't contribute to the problem. As Melina said, there would be no reason to bash AMPs, or any other SP who charges less. It's different services, different clientele. If you weren't referring to us, then carry on, lol, but if you were then hopefully that clears it up.

 

[tantalizeme]

Our entire viewpoint is based on the fact that people should be aware that not all SPs have fully chosen this and to have compassion for these women and don't contribute to the problem. As Melina said, there would be no reason to bash AMPs, or any other SP who charges less. It's different services, different clientele.

Hi Violet,

Thanks for posting your thoughtful perspective in this thread. Please rest assured, with the remark you quote I wasn't pointing any finger at you or Melina—in fact, I think highly of the way both of you contribute to this forum and also make the world an erotically more interesting place!

But as you surely agree, the fact that Asian SPs undercut the going rate is often the real reason why they're unpopular with many Western sisters in the trade—and a lot of apparent moral concern about their having no real choice and being terribly unhappy as SPs is just a rationalizing smokescreen.

Is the SP market really as nicely segmented as you say? I'm not convinced. If Asian micros and AMPs were less available, more pooners might be driven to seek out higher-cost alternatives, don't you think?

I don't see at all how, by patronizing Asian SPs either here or overseas, we pooners somehow perpetuate Asian women's problems such as their lack of desirable life choices, rather than helping them meet their needs.

But if someone desperately tries to make a spurious causal connection here, I would ask whether, by buying cheap made-in-China consumer goods at Costco, Walmart or almost any other store, most people aren't doing exactly the same: help create a market for the products or services of people who, under far more ideal conditions, would not have chosen to offer them so cheaply.

 

[susi]

please, everyone...
these women are NOT mostly trafficking victims. they are mostly migrant workers looking for a better life in canada.

whether or not they speak english well.

the RCMP estimate there are 1200 cases of human trafficking in canada a year, the only current charges pending are related to a rich woman keeping a migrant worker as a slave for domestic work, she made her clean the house and wouldn't let her go out, seized her passport...trafficking.

the organizations that work with the south asian migrant sex working population have told us over and over that these women do not see them selves as trafficked and that it has a bit of a racist undertone in that, they are asian...they must be trafficked....the same as the racially targeted raids against asian parlours only (63 parlours) in the lead up to the olympics. where there any trafficking victims...? no.... what happened to the women?...they were arrested....when it was discovered they were working here illegally, they were deported.....what happened to them when they arrived in the home countries?....GAATW- (the most ethical authourity on the subject in the world) state that some times these women are arrested immediately upon arrival and sometimes are even executed...

the human trafficking myths are dangerous and could impact the safety of all sex workers, canadian and foreign allike. the conservatives omnibus crime bill contains sections calling for the criminalization of sex industry clients under the "swedish model" based on the rhetoric generated by an unethical sex worker hating associate law professor from UBC- benjamin perrin. who examined human trafficking conditions in cambodia and an african war zone and extrapolated those numbers to apply to canadian sex workers.

trafficking is not rampant!!! yes, it happens and men should know how to recognize it and how they can report it confidatially through crime stoppers or the office to combat trafficking in persons.

in fact however, the RCMP training video about human trafficking is not focused on sex workers, its focused on construction guys. trafficking is far more rampant in that industry with foreign/migrant workers paying 10,000's of dollar to become citizens...illegal...and being abused, paid in drugs, housed together, tied to the beds. dropped off in remote areas with no suuplies....

the victims of human trafficking for prostitution are important and we need to find ways to weed out the scum bag cowards who do it but, not at the expense of the safety and stability of every other sex worker in canada.

also, while i understnad there is friction between migrant sex workers and home grown workers over rates, this does not justify the kind of tactics historicallly employed and which could lead to the execution of a sex worker.

i believe the wage difference is simply a different approach to/ culture of business.

where here we are about quality over quantity, mass production is the approach in other parts of the world,..cheaper, faster, more volume.

these are things we could all talk about in a sex worker convention where we try to reach agreement on that and many other things that divide us....planning underway for june 2012...stay tuned on that!!

anyway, end rant.

while i understand people feel upset by the human trafficking fear mongering, that's what it is...fear mongering. yes, it happens, but not as wide spread as people believe...DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!

love susieXXXO

 

[wilde]

As for "assembly line" sex (I prefer to call it "fixed recipe sex"), well, like sex work itself, some like it, some don't. If fixed recipe sex with trained professionals feels as good as it certainly does to me—provided there's a bit of flexibility for my initiative as well—then I prefer recipe sex anytime to the spontaneous efforts of untrained fumblers. But, as always, to each their own.

I guess you could call it menu sex too, you go into an appointment expecting to get items a, b, f & g. No BS, some massage parlors in China actually give you a checklist to pick say 5 types of services out of a menu (like rimming, hot/cold BJ, bodyslides, etc.). I personally think this may be exciting........... for a rookie but if it floats you boat...

 

[susi]

From http://www.sexworkeropenuniversity.com/manifesto.html

I wish i could fly to London to attend

Our manifesto

The Sex Worker Open University project brings together sex workers, academics, activists, artists and allies to explore the richness, diversity and contradictions of the sex industry. We want to give a voice to sex workers, whose lives are too often stereotyped and voices too often silenced. We want to challenge media sensationalism, which, hand in hand with the UK government, often represent us as victims or criminals.

Some politicians, religious representatives and part of the feminist movement claim that all sex workers are victims and that all sex work is violent or immoral. But many sex workers are feminists and we support the right of all consenting adults to express our sexuality as we wish and to enjoy the same rights as other workers.

For many of us, sex work is a choice.

We are full member of this society, with skills and abilities, whether erotic massage, healing, BDSM, acting and performance skills, entrepreneurial talents, strip tease or a compassionate, attentive and non-judgmental ear.

We know that in the sex industry there are, like in many other parts of the service industry, forms of abuse, exploitation and violence. We also experience every day how criminalisation increases our vulnerability and oppression.

We refuse to let the issue of trafficking be used to criminalise us all, and we fight for support for all migrants as well as victims of
trafficking and against their deportations.

We support the right of any woman, man and transgender person to exit the sex industry, and see the core problems for many who wish to exit not as sex work itself but poverty, lack of education, domestic violence and the criminalisation of drug users.

Our time has come. A society that recognises, accepts, respects and values sex workers is a fairer and more mature society.
Join us at the Sex Worker Open University!

 

[Webster]

I figure the "rape-style-blowjob" might be something fewer of the ladies like.

 

[violetblake]

Susi, I agree that hype and sensationalism is something we should all stay away from. I was actually talking less about sex trafficking than I was women who are forced into the sex trade through their financial situation, which is a very terrible thing.

Tantalizeme, I actually don't usually shop at Walmart, and try my best not to buy products that exploit child labour or other bad labour conditions for workers. It's hard to do, because you don't always know which companies do it, and a few times the only place on earth I could get something I need was at Walmart. However, I think being aware of these things and making the effort to not contribute, even if you can't solve the problem, is what counts, same goes for the sex trade. In any case, I'm sure you'll make wise choices and treat everyone respectfully, so happy pooning and safe travels

 

[Umbras]

From http://www.sexworkeropenuniversity.com/manifesto.html

I wish i could fly to London to attend

Our manifesto

The Sex Worker Open University project brings together sex workers, academics, activists, artists and allies to explore the richness, diversity and contradictions of the sex industry. We want to give a voice to sex workers, whose lives are too often stereotyped and voices too often silenced. We want to challenge media sensationalism, which, hand in hand with the UK government, often represent us as victims or criminals.

Some politicians, religious representatives and part of the feminist movement claim that all sex workers are victims and that all sex work is violent or immoral. But many sex workers are feminists and we support the right of all consenting adults to express our sexuality as we wish and to enjoy the same rights as other workers.

For many of us, sex work is a choice.

We are full member of this society, with skills and abilities, whether erotic massage, healing, BDSM, acting and performance skills, entrepreneurial talents, strip tease or a compassionate, attentive and non-judgmental ear.

We know that in the sex industry there are, like in many other parts of the service industry, forms of abuse, exploitation and violence. We also experience every day how criminalisation increases our vulnerability and oppression.

We refuse to let the issue of trafficking be used to criminalise us all, and we fight for support for all migrants as well as victims of
trafficking and against their deportations.

We support the right of any woman, man and transgender person to exit the sex industry, and see the core problems for many who wish to exit not as sex work itself but poverty, lack of education, domestic violence and the criminalisation of drug users.

Our time has come. A society that recognises, accepts, respects and values sex workers is a fairer and more mature society.
Join us at the Sex Worker Open University!

Why not go Susi? if it was a matter of funds, I am sure we could get a donation box going, you could consider it a thank you for all the hard work that you have done representing and explaining to the abolishionists that thier assumptions as to what they think is best for everyone is indeed incorrect.

I know how much time this takes for you and considering most of it is at your own expense amd meager donations to your organization. I think it would be a great thing for you to go and I would be willing to donate towards a ticket and hotel if such a thing were to happen.

 

[Umbras]

I have to say Tant is a man who has the ability to bring a sense of respect and companionship to some ladies who may not always work in the best of conditions, I would have to say that if the women he visits had a choice, they would take a man of his character over many of the bang and go customers they have to deal with on a daily basis. He gives to them an experience that they can look fondly upon and know that there are men out there that respect them, this unfortunatly may be few and far in between for most ladies of micro land.

I have read his many reviews and while I never understood the appealation of micro's as it never intrested me, but have a similarity of style in wanting to make the encounter a positive experience for both parties and overlooking some of the superficial hang-ups that some clientel can have and not allowing them to overshadow the positive.

We all have our fetishes and particulars, Tant has his way that seems to work, it breaks the ice with every woman he spends time with, he gets a glimps behind the walls that they put up against every one else. He is a man who takes his hobby seriously and treats everyone with respect and gives constructive advice to anyone in need, not to mention his dedication of learning new languages to better communicate with others.

Bravo Tant and gl with your trip and research. It makes me happy to know that you will make some ladies happy, if even for a short time.

 

[lenny]

I thank Yoko Yummi for recommending the book, On the Move: Women and Rural-To-Urban Migration in Contemporary China. I love to read and learn.

Likewise. I was just looking at her pic, er book, online, and yummi it is.

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=116138007

 

[susi]

Why not go Susi? if it was a matter of funds, I am sure we could get a donation box going, you could consider it a thank you for all the hard work that you have done representing and explaining to the abolishionists that thier assumptions as to what they think is best for everyone is indeed incorrect.

I know how much time this takes for you and considering most of it is at your own expense amd meager donations to your organization. I think it would be a great thing for you to go and I would be willing to donate towards a ticket and hotel if such a thing were to happen.

what a nice sentiment, thankyou!! my passport has expired though and there's not enough time...i know, i know...i will update it!!

i agree that no one should be forced to work at sex work, but fighting poverty is a different fight. people choose to do all kinds of jobs they don't like ...for money...not just sex work. it would be a wonderful utopian society indeed if we all only had to work at work we love. people deserve protection no matter what work they choose and under what circumstances they chose.

i do completely agree that people deserve livable wages and incomes. if this was the case than perhaps people would not have to make a choice to enter sex work when they were actually uncomfortable with the work because of money. let's face it though, we all work because we need money.

i do agree about the menu of services offered in the origional post and have to wonder if these workers are being given accurate information...or any information about their health and safety... many of the services offered are unsafe....

love susieXXXO

 

[Unpossible]

What I don't get is why bother with CBJ to then orally rinse the cum off? Just a lack of knowledge..?

They're talking about removing the condom after intercourse.

 

[tantalizeme]

Sincere thanks for this, brother

I have to say Tant is a man who has the ability to bring a sense of respect and companionship to some ladies who may not always work in the best of conditions, I would have to say that if the women he visits had a choice, they would take a man of his character over many of the bang and go customers they have to deal with on a daily basis. He gives to them an experience that they can look fondly upon and know that there are men out there that respect them, this unfortunatly may be few and far in between for most ladies of micro land.

I have read his many reviews and while I never understood the appealation of micro's as it never intrested me, but have a similarity of style in wanting to make the encounter a positive experience for both parties and overlooking some of the superficial hang-ups that some clientel can have and not allowing them to overshadow the positive.

We all have our fetishes and particulars, Tant has his way that seems to work, it breaks the ice with every woman he spends time with, he gets a glimps behind the walls that they put up against every one else. He is a man who takes his hobby seriously and treats everyone with respect and gives constructive advice to anyone in need, not to mention his dedication of learning new languages to better communicate with others.

Bravo Tant and gl with your trip and research. It makes me happy to know that you will make some ladies happy, if even for a short time.

Wow Umbras,

Kinder things were never said before by one pooner about another.

About being "a man who takes this hobby seriously"—well, I figure whatever is worth doing is worth doing well. So I’ve embarked on a project of pooning consciously, with as much enthusiasm as I can muster.

Though pooning is of course instinct-driven, it doesn’t have to be any more devoid of frills and trimmings than, for example, eating.

I confess I'm selfish: I see the SPs it gives me pleasure to see. And I write the kind of reviews it gives me pleasure to write.

Nothing gives me more pleasure than when an encounter seems mutually enjoyable, and that requires appreciating a lady for her strong points rather than focusing on perceived defects. When it comes to rating looks, for example, in my eyes a mildly voluptuous MILF with a pretty face and sparkling personality is the sexiest type of woman in the world.

I see SP reviews as an enjoyable vehicle for self-expression. It's a bonus if a few fellow pooners actually read them and occasionally benefit—either by becoming aware of a particular lady or feeling encouraged to go for what they want sexually.

Part of my hope, in writing detailed reviews, is to help newbies overcome fear of pooning. It's perhaps the world's most amazing hobby, though it has its share of pitfalls and complexities.

Personally, I feel rather proud of this hobby, rather than guilty or ashamed. We don’t shame people for getting the most pleasure they can from their tastebuds by eating delicious food in good company—so why would anyone feel ashamed for getting pleasure from their erogenous zones by engaging in erotic play with willing others?

 

[storm rider]

please, everyone...
these women are NOT mostly trafficking victims. they are mostly migrant workers looking for a better life in canada.

whether or not they speak english well.

the RCMP estimate there are 1200 cases of human trafficking in canada a year, the only current charges pending are related to a rich woman keeping a migrant worker as a slave for domestic work, she made her clean the house and wouldn't let her go out, seized her passport...trafficking.

the organizations that work with the south asian migrant sex working population have told us over and over that these women do not see them selves as trafficked and that it has a bit of a racist undertone in that, they are asian...they must be trafficked....the same as the racially targeted raids against asian parlours only (63 parlours) in the lead up to the olympics. where there any trafficking victims...? no.... what happened to the women?...they were arrested....when it was discovered they were working here illegally, they were deported.....what happened to them when they arrived in the home countries?....GAATW- (the most ethical authourity on the subject in the world) state that some times these women are arrested immediately upon arrival and sometimes are even executed...

the human trafficking myths are dangerous and could impact the safety of all sex workers, canadian and foreign allike. the conservatives omnibus crime bill contains sections calling for the criminalization of sex industry clients under the "swedish model" based on the rhetoric generated by an unethical sex worker hating associate law professor from UBC- benjamin perrin. who examined human trafficking conditions in cambodia and an african war zone and extrapolated those numbers to apply to canadian sex workers.

trafficking is not rampant!!! yes, it happens and men should know how to recognize it and how they can report it confidatially through crime stoppers or the office to combat trafficking in persons.

in fact however, the RCMP training video about human trafficking is not focused on sex workers, its focused on construction guys. trafficking is far more rampant in that industry with foreign/migrant workers paying 10,000's of dollar to become citizens...illegal...and being abused, paid in drugs, housed together, tied to the beds. dropped off in remote areas with no suuplies....

the victims of human trafficking for prostitution are important and we need to find ways to weed out the scum bag cowards who do it but, not at the expense of the safety and stability of every other sex worker in canada.

also, while i understnad there is friction between migrant sex workers and home grown workers over rates, this does not justify the kind of tactics historicallly employed and which could lead to the execution of a sex worker.

i believe the wage difference is simply a different approach to/ culture of business.

where here we are about quality over quantity, mass production is the approach in other parts of the world,..cheaper, faster, more volume.

these are things we could all talk about in a sex worker convention where we try to reach agreement on that and many other things that divide us....planning underway for june 2012...stay tuned on that!!

anyway, end rant.

while i understand people feel upset by the human trafficking fear mongering, that's what it is...fear mongering. yes, it happens, but not as wide spread as people believe...DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!

love susieXXXO

Thanks for saying what needed to be said Susi.....it is very rare for any western woman to have enough courage and actually speak the truth without twisting it up into a self serving diatribe for her own benefit.

Much like Tant I prefer asian micros and I sure as hell want to take a trip like he is going to.I have been in this pastime for a few years now and have tried both sides of the fence,first with local gals and then with Sugarland and I came to like the latter more.At one point I was going hell bent for leather with 3-4 visits a week every week and I did pay attention to both the gals and their environment.As Sugarland gained a loyal following/repeat customer base the new locations only got better...it went from a modest apartment to a high end condo that was very well appointed including the gals having their own laptops with internet access.Along the way I also got to know quite a few of the gals and they knew exactly what they were getting into beforehand and had no regrets....the gal that had the longest stint at Sugarland was a pretty young Korean gal named Cara.....she was there for 7 weeks and only did 1 tour and went back to Korea with more than enough money to buy her family a house.

The ugly spectre of human trafficking is attached easily to the asian micros due to fear mongering with all sorts of angles behind it as well as all sorts of moral high ground based arguements.....you can paint it 10 shades of grey and it is still fear mongering due to insecurity/jealousy/resentment.

The mamasan of Sugarland asked me for a favour a long time back....it seems a new gal that arrived did not have a bank account set up and she asked me to take her to the bank.....I of course said yes...I picked Jenna up and off we went.....she looked head turningly fantastic I will add.....and what did Jenna have with her...about $10,000 in cash from her weeks work/2 cell phones/Korean passport.....yeah she sure was a victim of human trafficking.....walking around free on her own in the company of a customer whilst packing 10 grand and 2 cellphones and her Korean issued passport and dressed to impress.

I am just getting sick and tired of the fearmongering BULLSHIT that slanders the asian micros and the dressing it up with a high minded moral stance is even worse than that douchebag al gore blathering on about global warming whilst he flies around the world in a private jet and getting paid to speak.

To the gals that dont like the micros......I got some bad news for you....they are not going to go away....they will not be bullied nor reasoned with....they are like the terminator....there is no stopping them.....these gals make 1/3rd of the money in China/Korea etc that they make here per client and enjoy a far higher standard of living whilst doing so and all the while they are saving up money to provide themselves with a better life form them and their families when they go back home.....no fuckin way are you going to deter them from that.

SR

 

[Pillowtalk]

Hey SR....why don't you swear a few more times and call us a few more names to show just how big of a man you are? While your at it tell us more about how smart you are, how much cash you have, how much better your brother is than you(that we believe)...oh, when you're done with that, swing on down to Sugarland and walk around like the King Sh*t(KS) you are. Yup that's you SR....the 155lb King Sh*t (KS) of Sugarland:nod:

Possibly the Mamasan will introduce you to some new girls. You can help them open a bank account or if they are real lucky you will cook them one of your gourmet dinners. Sorry for al and I gettng in the way of your discussion, god knows you haven't spouted off on the same thing say 10, 20 30 times? Again, sorry on behalf of al and myself, us douche bags will once again let you have the floor. Carry on KS :nod:

Now now. You know if you are going to name call there is a better one for a guy who writes so many glowing reviews of a place where he gets to spend off the clock time doing "favours" and getting meals from madames of micros.

And tant, get it right, you want to bring me into this, then respond to something I said, not wilde. You have a comment about "assembly lines", ask him about it, he introduced the phrase.

I find it odd that guys who have micro experiences, don't like them, comment about that fact, and no one wants to quote and respond to them. But an sp who is concerned about the industry she works in, in an almost unionize the business kind of way lol, is bashed for speaking up, she thinks, in the defense of the micro slave girls. Really really pathetic, to dramatize and belittle their concern, if you ask me.

Tant, you can respond to my comment: You prefer the trained seal approach over the independent. It does not to me sound like you enjoy these encounters, but that you are still afraid to spend time with strong willed independent and opinionated women. I find it distasteful that you poke your fingers into things first with asking if its ok, but they have to endure it because its part of the "menu", and/or because they don't have the language to express their distaste.

Just the way I see it. You don't see people who embrace their experiences, like meline or violet, you see people who are under an obligation to perform a checklist of items that are dangerous to their health.

There is a lack of empathy here, so many who seem to be perfectly capable of dehumanizing the sps for their own convenience. But I must say, I am glad you don't feel the need to try to get anyone fired if things don't go your way 100%.

 

[Umbras]

Tant, you can respond to my comment: You prefer the trained seal approach over the independent. It does not to me sound like you enjoy these encounters, but that you are still afraid to spend time with strong willed independent and opinionated women. I find it distasteful that you poke your fingers into things first with asking if its ok, but they have to endure it because its part of the "menu", and/or because they don`t have the language to express their distaste.

Just the way I see it. You don`t see people who embrace their experiences, like meline or violet, you see people who are under an obligation to perform a checklist of items that are dangerous to their health.

There is a lack of empathy here, so many who seem to be perfectly capable of dehumanizing the sps for their own convenience. But I must say, I am glad you don`t feel the need to try to get anyone fired if things don`t go your way 100%.

:doh:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...MMF-frolic-with-a-tag-team-queen&daysprune=60

 

[Unpossible]

I find it odd that guys who have micro experiences, don't like them, comment about that fact, and no one wants to quote and respond to them. But an sp who is concerned about the industry she works in, in an almost unionize the business kind of way lol, is bashed for speaking up, she thinks, in the defense of the micro slave girls. Really really pathetic, to dramatize and belittle their concern, if you ask me.

The reason pooners don't comment about other guys not liking their micro experience is because they have experienced it. What they take offense to are sp's posting from their ivory towers about things they have not experienced first hand.

n the defense of the micro slave girls.

Really really pathetic, to dramatize

Who's the one dramatizing?

 

[lenny]

Lenny, my only point is that when there are fewer options for a person, you will have more women doing sex work just to survive.

I would think that if a lady has any other work options to make a living, even one, she does not need to do "sex work just to survive".

But "survival" does not seem to be the point with the OP in this thread. Instead the initial post spoke of an option between a factory job or being an SP, the latter earning "more than 5 times" as much as the former. Post number 28 states:

"The leaflets posted on street lamp pole and bus station board explicitly showed that a KTV/sauna/companion earns tens thousands a month, which is hundreds times more than a factory worker."

As I stated, some will love it, but many won't. It's not a job everyone can do.

So now you're talking about job satisfaction - "loving it" - rather than "survival", which BTW sounds like a commercial for a fast food chain.

It's not a job everyone can do.

Not "loving it" does not equate to inability to do a job. Most people do jobs that they'd quit in a heartbeat if the paychecks kept coming in thereafter.

If you hate doing sex work, it'll be much more damaging than if you hated working at McDonald's. It's just something to be aware of, is all.

Possibly. Though if you hate flipping burgers, that's suffering 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. If you hate being an SP that's only about 4.5 minutes on your back every 7 days, for the same dough.

Of course if one can make 5, 10, 50, 100 times as much as an SP than other jobs they could get, then for many people whether or not they are "loving it" is not really relevant. When the other alternatives are seen as being equally distasteful or worse, choosing to become a pleasure provider earning way more mulla becomes a no brainer.

In Canada I think you have much better chances of most women enjoying being an SP. I for one love my work, but I have many options in life. I could be doing numerous other things. Having those choices is what makes all the difference. In a country with very few choices, you'll probably find less women who really truly love it.

I think people are often happier with fewer choices. Kids today have more entertainment options than ever, but does that make them more content than those of former decades with less toys and gadgets? Or more selfish spoiled brats as compared to poorer nations with less materialism but more soul?

I think if one has job joy or not is [1] based on the sum of many factors, both external and internal, not just one outer condition like employment options, and is [2] not an absolute thing, black or white, and may change radicly from day to day, even hour to hour, and from customer to customer.

In the big picture, whether or not an SP usually loves her work depends on a mixed drink of numerous environmental, mental, physical, monetary and emotional ingredients that effect her soul and body, such as, for example:

1. Sex...obviously a part of "sex work". Does she absolutely love it, is she a nympho, does she have orgasms, is her viewpoint the same as Bai Ling's? If not, then how much can a prostitute really love her work?

"Sex is the best high. It's better than any drug. I want to die making love because it feels so good." -- Bai Ling

I don't get the impression that most Canadian SWs enjoy sex or life in general. In Thailand they seem to often love it with a lot of passion. It seems more genuine rather than acted or just going through the motions mechanicly.

In this survey Chinese women placed 4th in the world in frequency of sex. The USA 19th. Could it be that Asians enjoy sex more than we do? If not, then why would they engage in it much more frequently? http://www.gadling.com/2007/04/26/which-country-has-the-most-frequent-sex/

2. Society...does it villify the trade and those in it? In Canada around 50% are RC and 77% Christians. These faiths are not pro prostitution, to say the least. I don't know about China, but in Thailand the profession seems more well tolerated than in the West.

A large percentage of young men lose their virginity with "ladies of the night" and this is considered quite normal behaviour.

"Many women in Thailand believe that prostitution protects "good" women against rape, and wives prefer their husbands visit commercial sex workers rather than take a minor wife, which is perceived as a greater threat to family stability...."

"It is common practice for Thai men to visit brothels to prove their virility. Men who do not do so are considered strange and suffer the possibility of becoming social outcasts...many Thai women also accept prostitution as a commonplace practice and some who do not wish to have a sexual relationship with their husbands have even encouraged them to see prostitutes.

"The relatively high earnings and remittances made by women who returned made them objects of admiration, regardless of whether family and friends were aware of the nature of their work. The sex industry, one can argue, seems like a fantasy-world for these women, where all of their woes will be healed, where they will become rich, and where, in time, they will be able to earn enough to have a productive lifestyle."

It sounds like Thai society gives ladies there some reasons to love their work that don't exist in Canada.

3. Religion...with Canadians being mostly Christians, it is likely that many sex workers have such a background and consequently misgivings or issues with their work that hinders the potential for them to have fun at it. If they are feminists they may have a lot of resentment against men that could impact their job. In Thailand the SPs are almost always Buddhists and often seem quite devoted. Their particular form of this religion as practiced there seems far more accepting of what they do. It places tremendous emphasis on family. By being an SP many TGs have incredible satisfaction from being empowered to take care of their closest relatives in a very rich way. They are often in the top 5% of wage earners in Siam.

4. Philosophy...In Thailand people's approach to life is MAI PEN RAI, fun loving, and not so serious. If you had never lived there it might be hard to fully grasp or appreciate this, but i think this is one ingredient that makes them enjoy their life and work more than, say, Western feminists. The latter seem often worked up about the condition of SPs in Asia that the Asians themselves are not so concerned about, and might suggest that their Western sisters minded their own business and not interfere with theirs.

http://www.gay-thailand.net/mai-pen-rai.htm
http://www.thailandtips.info/mai-pen-rai/
http://northernthailand.com/a/en/an-expats-story/579-what-is-mai-pen-rai.html
http://www.huahinforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19002&p=230157
http://www.chiangmai-chiangrai.com/catchphrases_mai-ben-rai.html
http://valleyboyabroad.blog-city.com/mai_pen_rai__never_mind.htm
http://ezinearticles.com/?Mai-Pen-R...A-Personal-Look-at-the-Thai-Culture&id=534049
http://www.thailandtraveltips.net/mai-pen-rai/


The fact is on sex forums like this it is a common opinion amongst men that Asian SP's are superior to women of Western ancestry or feminist influence. Seldom do i hear the opposite opinion. Given that that is true, it is unlikely that Western men would be attracted to such women if they were "loving it" [their job] less than their sister SP's in Canada.

search: why western men prefer thai asian women?

http://ezinearticles.com/?6-Reasons-Why-Western-Men-Get-Married-to-Asian-Women&id=2598732

http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/06/22/why-farang-men-like-thai-girls-and-hate-farang-women/

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Asian-Girls-Are-Popular-to-Western-Men&id=693981

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2849674/why_are_so_many_western_men_attracted.html