How Chinese SPs get trained: anyone interested in joining my field research?

[storm rider]

^...damn good research and work lenny :thumb:

SR

 

[violetblake]

Lenny, I'm not outright disagreeing with the OP, and I'm certainly not attacking his choices (I didn't think it came across that way, but I hope that clears it up if it did). I just sometimes feel that people may gloss over the hardships some SPs anywhere in the world face, and pretend they all just love every minute of their job. I'm not accusing the OP or anyone on this board of doing that, but my point was simply to just get people to think and consider this, that's all.

I actually agree with a fair bit of your post, not all of it, but I'm not going to pick out bits of it to argue about. Like I said, I'm not totally disagreeing with the OP or you for that matter, just wanted to bring up something that some people may not always think about. Do I think all asian massage parlours are trafficking women? Of course not. Do I think all SPs in asian countries hate their jobs? Definitely not. I just think it's important to discuss these things. Hope that clears up my viewpoint on this

 

[lenny]

Tant, you can respond to my comment: You prefer the trained seal approach over the independent.

I had a dream last night, I was eating a ten pound marshmallow. I woke up this morning and the pillow was gone.
-- Tommy Cooper

Personally i prefer to train my own seals, who are also independent SWs, not navy seals, in the art of 1-4 hour BBBJs, etc. But the extensive menu in the OP is something i'd luv to try at least once before i croak. BTW, I'm sure you have your own secret desires, but are too shy to express them in public ;

It does not to me sound like you enjoy these encounters, but that you are still afraid to spend time with strong willed independent and opinionated women.

When i am ready for physical pleasures, the last thing i wants is "opinions", although duct tape might come in handy if she is not a mute & has extreme difficulties with being submissive & quietly feminine, qualities that Asian SP's usually excell at.

I find it distasteful that you poke your fingers into things first with asking if its ok, but they have to endure it because its part of the "menu", and/or because they don't have the language to express their distaste.

If you are a female SP you don't have to "endure" high risk CFS "because it's part of your menu"? I suspect you'ld reject giving much lesser risk BBBJs.

As for "language" it seems that tantilizme can speak some Chinese with his SP dates.

Just the way I see it. You don't see people who embrace their experiences, like meline or violet, you see people who are under an obligation to perform a checklist of items that are dangerous to their health.

If you are not the type of SP who ties up and tortures her clients, you are probably involved
in "items that are dangerous to your health" too. In fact, just being any kind of SP involves
a degree of danger. So are your comments here not somewhat hypocritical? Do you also have
an objection to other high risk occupations like police, SWAT, soldiers, etc? How many orgasms
do they enjoy in the course of doing their work?

Annie Mueller, On Thursday October 13, 2011, 12:03 pm EDT

You think you have it bad at your job? Take a look at these careers, which make earning a living much scarier than dealing with a bad day in the cubicle.

The Ice Road Trucker
Ice road truckers do what it sounds like they do: they drive big trucks full of tons of freight across a road of ice. Actually, it's not so much a road as just ice, and man-made ice at that. Every year, in order to ship supplies to the diamond mines in Canada, a 40-inch deep, 370-mile long "road" is created. That's the road that these truckers trust. The perks of the job? Well, it's short. Ice road trucking only lasts for a season of about 60 days, and in that time you could pull in up to $250,000. Not bad for a couple of months of work. Just remember that those months involve sub-zero temperature, white-outs, blizzards and potential accidents at any moment.

The Crab Fisher
Like ice road truckers, crab fishers do a job dangerous enough to merit their own reality TV show. "Deadliest Catch" showed the world what you face when you decide to get in on the Alaskan crab fishing action, and it's not pretty. First there's the weather. Alaska is a cold place, and the spot for crab fishing is in the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea. The Bering Sea is between Alaska and Russia which is another location not known for its summery temperatures. So there's cold, frigid, deep, eat-into-your-soul cold weather.

Then there's the equipment: 800-pound crab pots, which are common sources of injury. The pay-off? If you hit the crab jackpot, your boat could pull in $50,000 in under a week, or twice that if you fish for snow crabs, which have a longer season.

The Alligator Hunter
Lots of people hunt, and though the sport involves weapons, it's not considered one of the deadliest jobs (or hobbies) out there. Unless you're hunting alligators, that is, which is precisely what happens starting on the first Wednesday in September in the swamps of Louisiana. For 30 days, licensed hunters who have been approved to go gator hunting get to do just that.

The state of Louisiana oversees the hunting, issuing tags and licenses and defining particular wetlands habitats in which it is legal - for 30 days - to venture into the swamps, track and kill the gators before they kill you. For those willing to risk life and limb to the teeth of the swamp monsters, there's good money to be made. Around 30,000 wild alligators are caught annually, resulting in about $10 million of alligator revenue, all in a month's time.

The Window Washer
Janitorial services may have more than their fair share of negative aspects. There's not much fun in emptying stinky trash cans, but you don't think of a janitor as a big risk-taker. That is, until you see the guy who has to wash the windows on the skyscraper or the surfaces of other enormous structures.

From Big Ben to the Space Needle to Mount Rushmore, men and women have braved the extreme height to do a little scrubbing. The workers are either secured by harnesses and straps, on scaffolding or both. Accidents happen, and often those accidents are fatal. Window washers do earn some of the highest salaries in janitorial services, around $50,000 a year with good medical coverage for occupational accidents. It's a good paycheck, but is it worth it? It depends on how much you like a clean window.

The Bottom Line
If the occasional paper cut or coffee burn is the worst you face on the job, consider yourself lucky to be clear of the dangerous jobs list. It takes a special kind of risk-taker to choose a job that literally puts your life on the line just to earn a paycheck, even if it is a good one. Give it some thought before plunging into the pursuit of a high-risk career. In the meantime, be careful with that stapler.

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/4-Scariest-Ways-To-Earn-A-investopedia-2495584075.html

 

[violetblake]

When i am ready for physical pleasures, the last thing i wants is "opinions", although duct tape might come in handy if she is not a mute & has extreme difficulties with being submissive & quietly feminine, qualities that Asian SP's usually excell at.

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Although I slightly disagreed with you before, I still respected your opinion and thought you meant well, until this statement. This is very offensive as well as racist.

 

[lenny]

Although I slightly disagreed with you before, I still respected your opinion and thought you meant well, until this statement. This is very offensive as well as racist.

You lost me there, violet. Perhaps you are taking my post, which obviously began on several humurous notes, way too seriously & literally, or had a bad hair day at the office. The part you quoted continued in that vein of lightness, while making the point that i prefer a quiet and submissive date and IMO my best bet for finding that is with Asians.

That point is evident in that [1] Asian SP's are more feminine, as distinct from feminist females who act like men and [2] Asian SP's & I often cannot communicate since we do not speak the same language, or she speaks only a few words of English.

In fact my dream or fantasy sessions are when there's no conversation at all, which is not in harmony with your advertized enjoyment of "engaging in stimulating conversation", which is another plausible explanation for your "offense".

Having expressed such desires previously on this site made a few SP's here unhappy, as if i was threatening their freedom to gossip or something! Or an assumed right to an obligatory burning up of the first 10 minutes of every session with chit chat.

When with Asian SP's who speak a different lingo, time wasting conversation is often ruled out, (unless they carry on a one way blabathon with themselves), in which case the time saved makes them even more of a bargain than they already were, relative to time stealer$.

I'm sure there are many SP's whose idea of a great date with a client is to talk about shopping the whole time. Or anything but having sex & pleasuring the client. If she can get him to at least tolerate talk for half the session, that's 50% less high risk or distasteful work for her.

When i'm with an SP i like her to do a number of things with her mouth, but yaking isn't one of them, and i will walk pretty quickly if she doesn't stifle herself and get to work, since there is a point at which i could not enjoy the session anyways.

Hopefully that somewhat elaborates upon and clarifies the point of the bit you quoted.

No animals were raped due to the typing of this post & it was only toned down 7% from saying what was really thought. Now i need to find a migraine pill and get a life.


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Don't have sex man. It leads to kissing and pretty soon you have to start talking to them.
-- Steve Martin

I think I mentioned to Bob [Geldof] I could make love for eight hours. What I didn’t say was that this included four hours of begging and then dinner and a movie.
--Sting

Sex is better than talk...Talk is what you suffer through so you can get to sex.
-- Woody Allen (Hollywood Ending, 2002)

Conversation like television set on honeymoon…unnecessary.
--Peter Sellers

When I came here, I couldn’t speak a word of English, but my sex life was perfect. Now my English is perfect but my sex life is rubbish.
--Julio Iglesias

 

[grusse]

someone,I can't remember who,said the best part of a bj
from a non-Asian sp, is "the silence"

I'm only quoting,don't shoot the messenger,lol.

 

[Moderator-1]

Ladies & Gentlemen -
We are either going to have this discussion with civility and with no name calling - or we're going to do this with moderator's (ahem) intervention. You choose!

 

[lenny]

As to the opportunities of village girls in 3rd world countries, I wonder if it would be easy for an uneducated rural girl to grab the first bus out of town and get a job as a secretary in a nice office building?

The "village girls" i've met in the capitol of third world Thailand often work as SW SPs at night and have jobs or go to university in the daytime. Day jobs included security guard, department & clothing stores, 7-11, beauty salon, internet cafe boss, tour guide, etc. In some cases these positions required training which they paid for by their high wages hooking or from gifts via male sponsors that many girls have. Some guys with money to burn hand over 50, 100, 300K baht for only a few days work. Often they end up marrying them.

I'd think there are also secretary & se(x)cretaty positions around if an attractive young TG is capable of picking up a phone or providing special services. Having a gik or 3, mistresses and mia noi [2nd wives] is quite popular in the Kingdom (though their spouses prefer that husbands see prostitutes instead) and the position of an office worker might be a good cover for such.

No? Then that really only leaves two choices. Pretty much the same two choices as under educated American women faced with low paying factory work in the 1930s.

"During the depression of the 1930’s, both black and white people experienced many hardships. The south saw the majority of the problems because of its extremely low economic status. Since the North has spent the previous century buildings its manufacturing and textile industries, there were still some jobs available for the common man to do. The South had been depending solely on its agricultural power, fueled by slavery, and the destruction of this slave society sent the farming industry into a tailspin. Since there were no factory jobs really to speak of, except in the larger cities of Charleston and Birmingham, finding a job was next to impossible. I am not down playing the hardship felt in the North caused by the Depression, but the South’s lack of industrial advancement and its deficiency in an experienced waged-labor force prevented any possibility of earning a decent living."

http://mgagnon.myweb.uga.edu/students/3090/04SP3090-Briggs.htm

 

[lenny]

The "village girls" i've met in the capitol of third world Thailand often work as SW SPs at night and have jobs or go to university in the daytime. Day jobs included security guard, department & clothing stores, 7-11, beauty salon, internet cafe boss, tour guide, etc. In some cases these positions required training which they paid for by their high wages hooking or from gifts via male sponsors that many girls have. Some guys with money to burn hand over 50, 100, 300K baht for only a few days work. Often they end up marrying them.

So maybe some of you girls should think of going to work overseas, especially if you are caucasions [the more white skinned the better?], since Thai men worship them and they would be a rare commodity amongst the farang.

 

[lenny]

How Chinese SPs get trained: anyone interested in joining my field research?.

Time again to ride another hobby horse of mine—field research in sexual anthropology. This year I plan to travel overseas to the world's biggest concentration of SPs in any one place: the town of ChangPing in China's Pearl River delta.

I had never heard of this amazing place before this topic on PERB. In this long thread from an Aussie based international sex forum some punters describe their experiences:

http://www.aus99.com/cgi/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m-5954/

"CP is short for Chang Ping. Chang Ping is part of Dong Guan City (Prefecture-Level City) in GuangDong Province, China. It is a small town of about 500,000 to 800,000 dwellers. Mostly from other Provinces of China. The ratio is men : women = 1 : 7 and the economy of Chang Ping mainly depends on mongers and punters like us. All the big & 5-Stars hotel are built to cater for people like us. The transportation infrastructure is excellent. Serve by several International Airport in the region like BaiYun International Airport @ GuangZhou Capital City of GuangDong Province, Bao'An International Airport @ Shenzhen and last but not least, Hong Kong International Airport - No need to introduce this airport, everyone knows Hong Kong. I have found a link on wikipedia of DongGuan, therefore click Chang Ping for further details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongguan

"You might think there is nothing much to do in the day or prior sunset. Well, there is the massage parlour (those clean ones). It is a very good place to chill out, chat with your mates and sometimes, you can chat-up the SYT who also hang out there. A foot massage will set you back RMB49.00 per session and each session is 80 minutes. You can imagine, a very SYT at your feet for 80 minutes, she will be washing and massaging your feet while giving you 'funny' eye contact. Besides the foot massage, you could opt for the body massage. So far, I am only talking about clean massages not talking about hanky-panky yet. You must know where to look for those happy endings joints.

"The three Vices in Chang Ping:

"1) The BBS AKA BarberShop - In the BBS on peak season, there should be around 30 to 80 girls to choose from. The average age of these Working Girls (WG) is around 20 yeras old. S0me as young as 16 and as old as 24 years old. These WG in BBS are mainly from the rural villages who comes to the city to make money - quick money. Now for the rates,,,,are you ready guys? Each session is from CNY 150.00 to 200.00 Is that fucking cheap or what. An Aussie friend to me for this amount, you can't even eat shit in Sydney because the labour is THAT expensive in Australia. Hell, if you know the tout, you can even go for the buy-2-gals and get the third for free. I am very sure bacause I have arranged it for a friend of my back last October. He only paid CNY or RMB400.00 for 3 WG's.

"2) The Sauna AKA the 'Good' Massage Joint - in these sauna, if you have never tried before, you will be blown away by the service the WG's provide. The session is 120 minutes and should cost from RMB500 to RMB1K depending on the WG's category you picked. The most notorious is Virgin Sauna (no typo here). It is the actual name of this hotel - Virgin Hotel. Please don't laugh, it is no laughing matter. So, I really love this place! To continue the details, the WG's, you choose them by batches. A single batch of about 6-8 WG will enter your room at a time. The flow seem endless and you will definately find one to your liking. Oh! Those guys who like cosplay will love this place. The girls are dress in about 6 types of coustime like, Office Lady (OL) the Slut - in revealing lingerines, the bitch - leather pants and jacket, beach wear - Bikini, the Professional - Nurses and lastly the Sports Person - like in golf wear of in leotards.

"2A) For the 2 hours you paid for, you will get 2 pops. When the door is locked, she will practically 'rape' you, perform a striptease for you, do a CBJ while you are removing your pants. You shall do a quickie and pound her as hard as you can. In the few minutes of jack hammer pounding, after you CUM, that is when you will really enjoy the services. Everything slow down to tortoise pace. You will be shown to a shower (bathroom) and be seated on a special chair. Both naked of course! She will wash you from top to toe, if you click well with the WG, you might receive a BBBJ in the bathroom. After the wash and when she has dried you, you will adjourned into the room and be asked to lie on the King Sized bed. She will require some minutes to wash herself and clear the towers and such. Meanwhile, you will enjoy the view of a nude SYT moving around and you will be having a drink of have a smoke.

"2B) When she is ready, small talk follows and the services starts. There are many names for the services being performed on you but I don't I'll eleborate. Generally, she will use all parts of her body to make you feel good, especially her mouth and tongue. From your toes to your neck, no place is spared. After she has tasted your body, come the excellent BBBJ, she will then cap you after about 10 minutes of the Bareback Blowjob and ultimately ride you like a cowgirl or reverse CG. These girls are professionally trained, no position is strange to them. Be blunt and tell them what you want. They will oblidge.

"3) KTV - Sorry guys, my friend is here, I will continue when I have the time."

The following is info [unverified by moi] that i heard in the url above or elsewhere.

Location: within 30 minutes from Hong Kong, which is 45 km away.

Hotels: 5 stars for a mere $40/night. Compare Bangkok where i pay the same, after a 20% discount for long stay over 30 days, for a 3 star, albeit in a very convenient location within a 10 minute walk of the 2 major gogos and SWs galore. Pattaya is cheaper than BKK. Hotels in nearby Hong Kong and Macau are significantly more expensive.

Visa: my travel agent said i could stay in China 3 months without a tourist visa. Compare Thailand which is only one month, though up to 6 with a multiple 3x tourist visa.

Girls: 95% aged 16-24, $30 for a quickie. In Bangkok $30 for a ST [short time] date with a SW. Pattaya $15.

SWs: street walkers. BKK has many and Pattaya on Beach Road. Re CP in this regard, the closest i have seen is:

"I have just came back from CP, China aswell. This places is really men's heaven. On the Friday & Saturday night, on the flower street, there were about 800-1000 girls to choose from. This was a sight to behold. But one must be very quick to decide as the pretty girls get picked very fast. The KTV gals rates are about 800rmb (AUD$125) for overnight with 2-3 shots. Other places called barbershops, a quickie with a 18+ to 20yo gal about AUD$30 or AUD$80 for overnight. However, these gals are young & their service is a hit & miss thing. Chinese 5 stars hotel (rooms are great with king size bed and computer with internet access) are about AUD$40. Some have saunas who have gals that are trained to please a guy. Rates at Saunas start at AUD$90 for 2 hours.This places is incredible. I must go back! Anyone interested?"

Concerns: opinions in the url that one should be able to speak the lingo and not travel alone in China. Although re the latter this has been said about international travel in general.

In LOS TGs must carry an ID card showing their pic, age and gender, so one can avoid taking underage females. In CP what is the deal there, as reportedly there are workers as young as 16. In Thailand you should not bed a girl under 18.

CG is dominated by Chinese pooners, whereas in BKK there are specific tourist areas for sex. Will CG SPs have a preference towards the local guys, as TG's in BKK sometimes do towards the more generous 4-4-4 Japanese?


http://www.aus99.com/cgi/forum/Blah.pl?v-print/m-5954/

http://www.aus99.com/cgi/forum/Blah.pl?m-5954/s-240/

http://www.aus99.com/cgi/forum/Blah.pl?b-5/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongguan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changping_Town

 

[Mod-2]

I have received a couple of complaints about this thread already. We are going to be looking at this closely.

 

[Mr.C]

Have a great trip Tant !!

 

[Mod-2]

please, everyone...
these women are NOT mostly trafficking victims. they are mostly migrant workers looking for a better life in canada.

whether or not they speak english well.

the RCMP estimate there are 1200 cases of human trafficking in canada a year, the only current charges pending are related to a rich woman keeping a migrant worker as a slave for domestic work, she made her clean the house and wouldn't let her go out, seized her passport...trafficking.

the organizations that work with the south asian migrant sex working population have told us over and over that these women do not see them selves as trafficked and that it has a bit of a racist undertone in that, they are asian...they must be trafficked....the same as the racially targeted raids against asian parlours only (63 parlours) in the lead up to the olympics. where there any trafficking victims...? no.... what happened to the women?...they were arrested....when it was discovered they were working here illegally, they were deported.....what happened to them when they arrived in the home countries?....GAATW- (the most ethical authourity on the subject in the world) state that some times these women are arrested immediately upon arrival and sometimes are even executed...

the human trafficking myths are dangerous and could impact the safety of all sex workers, canadian and foreign allike. the conservatives omnibus crime bill contains sections calling for the criminalization of sex industry clients under the "swedish model" based on the rhetoric generated by an unethical sex worker hating associate law professor from UBC- benjamin perrin. who examined human trafficking conditions in cambodia and an african war zone and extrapolated those numbers to apply to canadian sex workers.

trafficking is not rampant!!! yes, it happens and men should know how to recognize it and how they can report it confidatially through crime stoppers or the office to combat trafficking in persons.

in fact however, the RCMP training video about human trafficking is not focused on sex workers, its focused on construction guys. trafficking is far more rampant in that industry with foreign/migrant workers paying 10,000's of dollar to become citizens...illegal...and being abused, paid in drugs, housed together, tied to the beds. dropped off in remote areas with no suuplies....

the victims of human trafficking for prostitution are important and we need to find ways to weed out the scum bag cowards who do it but, not at the expense of the safety and stability of every other sex worker in canada.

also, while i understnad there is friction between migrant sex workers and home grown workers over rates, this does not justify the kind of tactics historicallly employed and which could lead to the execution of a sex worker.

i believe the wage difference is simply a different approach to/ culture of business.

where here we are about quality over quantity, mass production is the approach in other parts of the world,..cheaper, faster, more volume.

these are things we could all talk about in a sex worker convention where we try to reach agreement on that and many other things that divide us....planning underway for june 2012...stay tuned on that!!

anyway, end rant.

while i understand people feel upset by the human trafficking fear mongering, that's what it is...fear mongering. yes, it happens, but not as wide spread as people believe...DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!

love susieXXXO

Obviously this thread topic is one that ignites passionate opinions. I consider the above quoted statement to be the only one that would accurately represent the issues around migrant sex workers. I take Susi's opinion over the opinion of others simply because she does the advocacy work that would enable her to give us far more accurate information than television documentaries that are skewed to one bias or another. I am closing this thread down before we have to start issuing bans.