How can we help perb?

[Dr_X_man]

I think an Edmonton based Moderator will be essential and will make a huge difference. He does not need the power to Ban people. He can suggest banning a member to the super Mods.

The biggest impact will be locking down inappropriate threads before they get out of hand. I would have locked down the thread about Vida before it turned into pure speculation not based on any facts.

Closing some threads would do a lot to discourage trolls from taking over discussions. Closing threads when necessary prevents chaos from breaking out on the board.

We need to cut off the food supply for many of the trolls on the board. Since they feed on DRAMA, that means closing threads before the drama gets out of hand and banning members who bring up the topic after the thread has been closed. This means the trolls will have to go somewhere else to eat. Closing inappropriate threads will make a huge impact.

We shoukd elect a fair minded Edmonton based Mod for PERB.

The follwing folks would make great fair minded Mods based on their drama free posting history.

Wolverine, Dr X., emilna, 69guy, Trawler, Jim, ymmvguy, Peace Guy.

Thanks Fiddy, another great reviewer, that perb can not afford to lose. I'll quote myself hopefully Mr Gomez Adams won't catch me.

One of the reasons that I stated earilier please ignore those jealous haters. The board can not afford banning great members like yourself. However, a moderator has to be fair in banning therefore banning great members with those idiots. In few words, once things start to get out of hand ignore those posts and immediately report them to the moderator. Please you are valuable to get dragged into a fight or defending yourself.
In regards to number of moderators and work load. You are totally right specially if you compare it to CAF. Plus the subcategories that Edmonton for instance can be divided into. It helps reviewers and it might help Moderators as well.

Closing a thread won't be enough power. Consider an idiot came looking for trouble and posted an attack post against others. Then closing the thread with this last post is like sealing it with a kiss. Closing a thread plus editing would be good.
Another suggestion that I saw in other boards, these trouble makers instead of just banning them for days. Their posts should not be published directly instead a moderator has to approve their posts. It's a method used in boards where the number of moderators are not enough.

I've been offered the job at least a couple of times in the past, but turned it down. I'm prone to power abuse!

Just do not ban me Wolvie

Wolvie, I'd hope you'd change your mind. I think you would make a great Mod.
How do we fix the board. Jim said it best:
Share intel and have fun. Sometimes things in life are just that easy.

I hope he receives the signal and comes out

perhaps we can re-recruit those sp and posters that were recruited to the other board?

and those that continue to post false/incorrect information and backpedal and change stories should be shown the door?

known bait & swichers, spammers and those that continue to post in wrong areas should be booted too

and fake reviewers that cant be proven should be referred to Penthouse

I think the two boards can co-exist. In general, you are right. The truth will be known sooner than later. People are smart as I said before.

my 2 cents' worth:
i find the biggest difference between here and the baby cow is the abundance of rules;
1. You can't post links to non-paying providers, so readers have to guess, and impede the flow of intel
2. You can't post reviews on providers who don't want to be reviewed (antiquated - but nonetheless it's a rule)

I understand the advertising revenue model - but it's not helping the fundamental reason why pooners visit these boards.
We want good intel, and hopefully all of us share it without posting fake reviews.
If it takes 2 hands to clap, why don't we also invite the provider to offer their side of the story, when we post a review?

Each board has its own pros and cons. What is considered an advantage might be a disadvantage...and vise versa. There is no perfection.
An honest polite review is always appreciated. A review board should never play favors to advertisers in the review sections. Otherwise the review board becomes a joke and dies.

 

[Dark_Knight]

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fake reviewers that cant be proven should be referred to Penthouse

We should probably stipulate this as the magazine, and not the MP...

 

[MrR]

Keep the reviews seperate

Here is a thought. Just a thought though.

The review section can be and ONLY be for reviews. And in order to do that, not allow replies to reviews. None at all.

Now I know you are saying "that's dumb". But.... we could have a discussion section for escorts/MP/providers separate of the reviews. Keep all the drama in there and have a pure review section. It would still have to be moderated and people would have to help the MODs to ensure that Shill is kept down, but really is that any different than the way it is now for quality control?

At least then if some one wants to just read reviews, they can. Bottom line.

And those who want to talk/fight/yell at each other can do it in another venue.

Now I may be talking out of my ass, but seriously contemplate the basics of what I am saying.

This board should be helpful. You shouldn't have to wade through tons of shit to find reviews. I am on this site to share information, whether it is giving or receiving. Because you cannot find this information in the telephone book, or talk about it openly to anyone. We need to remember why this site exists.

I have been very lazy on this site because it seems like a lazy site. I would be more involved if it was worth it. So with that being said I would put my money where my mouth is if the MODs are truly willing to make changes. I would do my best to help out.

I know that this model proposed isn't necessarily perfect, but it can be expanded on and improved.

MrR

 

[Gomez Adams]

A review board should never play favors to advertisers in the review sections. Otherwise the review board becomes a joke and dies.

Precisely, and I hate to say it but Perb is basically a case study and confirmation of this theory.

 

[overdone]

you guys are hilarious

if it's so bad, quit posting and fuck off already, lol

if it's not and you want to improve it, because you obviously do otherwise you wouldn't be here moaning like a couple of two year olds who didn't get their afternoon cookie, post some fucking reviews and if you don't then just lurk like the majority do, which is fine too

try showing how others to act instead of just whinning about it

the board will start to die, like C E R F is, when the women leave and stop advertising here

it has more stupid rules than any board, due to over moderation

and Gomez, give me a break, try and piss on one of Studley's or Cargo's or any of the other fav's of Caf and see what happens

the women pay the way, they deserve an advantage when dealing with manchild types

if Caf is so much better and Perb isn't working for you why are you guys here? plain and simple

 

[ThisEndUp]

you guys are hilarious

if it's so bad, quit posting and fuck off already, lol

if it's not and you want to improve it, because you obviously do otherwise you wouldn't be here moaning like a couple of two year olds who didn't get their afternoon cookie, post some fucking reviews and if you don't then just lurk like the majority do, which is fine too

try showing how others to act instead of just whinning about it

the board will start to die, like C E R F is, when the women leave and stop advertising here

it has more stupid rules than any board, due to over moderation

and Gomez, give me a break, try and piss on one of Studley's or Cargo's or any of the other fav's of Caf and see what happens

the women pay the way, they deserve an advantage when dealing with manchild types

if Caf is so much better and Perb isn't working for you why are you guys here? plain and simple

because their efforts to save caf met with just as much success...

suggest they start their own board, problems (thiers) solved!

 

[Dr_X_man]

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We should probably stipulate this as the magazine, and not the MP...

LOL

Here is a thought. Just a thought though.

The review section can be and ONLY be for reviews. And in order to do that, not allow replies to reviews. None at all.

Now I know you are saying "that`s dumb". But.... we could have a discussion section for escorts/MP/providers separate of the reviews. Keep all the drama in there and have a pure review section. It would still have to be moderated and people would have to help the MODs to ensure that Shill is kept down, but really is that any different than the way it is now for quality control?

At least then if some one wants to just read reviews, they can. Bottom line.

And those who want to talk/fight/yell at each other can do it in another venue.

Now I may be talking out of my ass, but seriously contemplate the basics of what I am saying.

This board should be helpful. You shouldn`t have to wade through tons of shit to find reviews. I am on this site to share information, whether it is giving or receiving. Because you cannot find this information in the telephone book, or talk about it openly to anyone. We need to remember why this site exists.

I have been very lazy on this site because it seems like a lazy site. I would be more involved if it was worth it. So with that being said I would put my money where my mouth is if the MODs are truly willing to make changes. I would do my best to help out.

I know that this model proposed isn`t necessarily perfect, but it can be expanded on and improved.

MrR

Actually your thoughts are part of perb rules against drama There are no dumb thoughts. We are helping each other. Each proposes thoughts and ideas. We discuss them together as a group of civilized individuals.

I don`t think you can Ban people unless you`re a Super Mod. We already have Prarrie Moderator as our Super Moderator.

The Edmonton Mod would be able to suggest bannings for members who break the rules.

The biggest thing you need to do is to make it less fun for the trolls to play. Closing threads also means a Mod posting the last message which would include warrnings to members who have misbehaved.

Closing a thread should be a last option and not the first and banning a member should be the last option in most cases unless there is a serious offesne. (Posting personal info or posting a PM)

The power to Ban should remain with a small amount of people on the board since this provides check and balances to make sure a banning is fair.

Arguments will happen. The power to ban is not required if the power to maintain the board is done correctly. We want people to speak freely as long as they respect rules and rights of others on the board.

Just a second Fiddy, I believe you misunderstood me. I said power of editing/deleting plus closing threads.

On the ban (which is a completely different suggestion), my suggestion if the work load on moderators is huge and the reaction to breaking board rules were not quick enough. For example, the incident were a permanently banned member posted real names and private information. If the moderator reaction was not quick enough the privacy of these people has been violated. My suggestion was; their posts should not be published immediately. A moderator should review their posts first.

Precisely, and I hate to say it but Perb is basically a case study and confirmation of this theory.

Hopefully it won`t happen because the theory is true.

 

[Dr_X_man]

While this moderator still has a profile on this board, if you go to his profile page you can see that he probably hasn't been on the web site since last May. I believe that we have Moderator-1 handling most of the work with BCMod pitching in from time to time in a semi-retired mode.

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Over-moderated we are not. Thus popping a PM to the mods with a link to offending posts & threads allows our overstretched moderation team to catch the high points without having to read though every post in every thread. Who has time for that? And some folks are sending those PMs.

The point to think about is that the PMs likely 'focus' the attention of our slim moderation team on the issues those members raise. Maybe true, maybe not. Do you care whether the person directing that focus is me, or FFG, or Wolverine or even Silky in one of his many personas? If you want to 'diffuse' any potential influence of any other members' pet peeves on how moderation might be happening, do your own bit & report the crap that you think shouldn't be happening rather than getting in an online dog fight with the poster of the offending message or thread.

We all see things that punch our buttons & call out for a rapid retort. And sometimes we give in & post it. But it would probably be better to just report it & stop feeding the obvious trolls. It's also likely better to send a PM of support to a member or SP being (in your eyes) unfairly abused, than to start or feed one of those multi-page battle royals that just exacerbates the damage.

Totally agree. Well said

 

[Dr_X_man]

It's tuff to compare CAF and PERB. CAF has 5000 active members and PERB has 48,000 active members. There is a lot more to keep track of on this board.

The big question here is who would make a great Mod?

Trawler: But I have not seen him post here very often since Sept.

Wolverine: But he seems camera shy.

DQguy: we'll have to see when he comes by next.

FuzzyThumper: We'd have perkier board for sure

Jim: If he's back

Dr. X: If he's up for it.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks for your confidence. I totally appreciate it. I have to politely decline. Let's keep the discussion rolling, we have just started it. I would like to see Moderator-1's input when time permits. I apperciate Moderator-1's confidence and trust for leaving without a very close monitor of this thread.

Moderators often keep an eye on trouble makers.

 

[Bad Santa]

See, one of the reasons I like PERB is that they don't close threads at the drop of a hat the way they do on CAF. I understand why they close threads so quickly on CAF, to avoid drama. But a certain amount of drama can make the board more interesting and can be educational if people's opinions actually contribute information. You can say whatever you want about the JPR threads but people actually did gain a lot of information from those threads, and the fact they attracted so many readers proves that drama can be a good thing for a board.

More readers, more people to see ads and more advertising revenue.

It's the mindless trolls like FFG and Methodman that hurt the boards by scaring away new reviewers. Trolls that never contribute anything useful and just "shit disturb" for the attention should be banned!

 

[Dr_X_man]

Bad Santa and many others, I have never felt my respectful disagreement with you, would ever create hard feelings however, there are few that think disagreement means war or a fight. Those few think you are either with me or against me. Same goes for jokes. There are people I will joke with and accept their jokes. There are others that I just fear they will misunderstand me.
Any board will almost include all sectors of society. All you can hope for is the best.


I have noticed recently "after these discussions" that Moderator-1 has become a super moderator. Congratulations

 

[Dr_X_man]

PERB does have one really nice feature. The ability to delete a thread if you're the OP. If all other plans fail Dr X man, we can settle for having a sense of humor about it all.

We can always put up a sign that says:

"Don't feed the monkey's, unless you want them to throw poop at you"

I think the best solution here is not to worry about all the negative people that exist on every board. "It's their nature to throw poop". No amount of moderation or modification of the rules is going to change that fact.

Posting reviews and making a positive contribution is what matters at the end of the day.

I believe for this to work, we need to stop fighting each other. There will always be all sort of people. We need to accept other's as they are.
"Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and let's hope everyone really has one" The problem is for those who just oppose. What do they oppose and propose instead.
Another important thing, we lost steam.
Finally, I and sure others will really appreciate the involvement of Moderator-1. Though I understood this long ago:

This is an interesting thread. It's a pity that this or other posters aren't able or willing to take a moment to assist us and report questionable posts or threads.
While we can't always agree or do things that way specific member requests, we do really on members to support for our work here.

Others did not and actually without names I was attacked on this particularly.

 

[Gomez Adams]

Most of the folks that caused most of the issues are gone. We're back to writing reviews and sharing intel.

Yes, that was a very useful and informative review you did on the cupcake shops of LA, thanks.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Most of the folks that caused most of the issues are gone. We`re back to writing reviews and sharing intel. As far as I am concered, what needed to happen has already happened.

Do you think so? The problem was just those few!! If you say so .. Then why as Gomez Adams said there is a decline in ad`s! and you said it a decline in posts (it was a thread)!
I`ll say the theory that Gomez Adams highlighted is true however we hope it`s a past incident that won`t repeat.

Yes, that was a very useful and informative review you did on the cupcake shops of LA, thanks.

One stone more than 2 birds

 

[ThisEndUp]

Most of the folks that caused most of the issues are gone. We're back to writing reviews and sharing intel. As far as I am concered, what needed to happen has already happened.

so why do you bring it up again, why the push for "your" choice of mod

obviously your desired results are not being achieved no?

and ftr, what happens when you and your cadre gain control...

 

[Gomez Adams]

Relax and have fun.

I am having fun.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Guys, take it easy on Fiddy. I know you like teasing him.

 

[Moderator-1]

Who did that? - I never even noticed.
Geez, thanks Alberta guys - couldn't have done it without you.
Just think - I could've been an uber-moderator if I hadn't squashed the Fort Mac forum talk...
... just kidding.. just kidding.

I have noticed recently "after these discussions" that Moderator-1 has become a super moderator. Congratulations

 

[Moderator-1]

And who's to say that one of the moderators isn't from Edmonton... or has had to leave Fort Mac in a hurry after the last post?

I think an Edmonton based Moderator will be essential and will make a huge difference. He does not need the power to Ban people. He can suggest banning a member to the super Mods.

The biggest impact will be locking down inappropriate threads before they get out of hand. I would have locked down the thread about Vida before it turned into pure speculation not based on any facts.

We shoukd elect a fair minded Edmonton based Mod for PERB.

The follwing folks would make great fair minded Mods based on their drama free posting history.

 

[Dr_X_man]

Who did that? - I never even noticed.
Geez, thanks Alberta guys - couldn't have done it without you.
Just think - I could've been an uber-moderator if I hadn't squashed the Fort Mac forum talk...
... just kidding.. just kidding.

Hi Moderator-1, I did not mean it in that sense at all! After we had these discussions I checked your profile and found the super moderator thing. Sorry...for any misunderstanding. I should have phrased it better.
I still congratulate you for a well done job.