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Hannity, Morris Agree with “Conspiracy People” About New World Order

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You have to understand the meaning of the phrase to understand how LB's mind works.

To normal people, the phrase "new world order" is however the speaker is defining it to mean a shift in world power from the present (during whatever period of history it was used). Hitler's "New Order" meant that the aryan race would dominate the world.

To the conspiracy devotees, it is a code for their definition of the phrase, so that anyone who uses it has indiscretely let out part of the master plan. Therefore, for example, an article quoting Joe Biden from 1992 with the phrase in the title is proof that he is a willing puppet of the masters.

Of course there will be a "new world order." Power has shifted from one empire to another throughout history. The US will eventually fade from its domination of world affairs, which has lasted only about a century. Many believe this is happening now, and that the shift will be to China and India.

I have always liked the "Star Trek" universe envisioned by Gene Roddenberry where all the nations have united and used their resources to conquer poverty instead of waging war....although I believe there was a World War III before that happened....
Lighthead thinks that some globalists in Britain will rule the world. As far as lighthead is concerned there was no US empire. He thinks the Brits have been in control the whole time.

I agree with you 100% that the US will be unseated as the only superpower. Russia and China are in the process of weaning the world off the US dollar as we speak. That has nothing to do with some unknown entity systematically taking over the world like lighthead claims.
 

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Putin is a puppet in the NWO, if he wasnt he wouldn't be allowed to run Russia. Ask JFK or any other dictator that was assasinated.
holy fuck, why do I even bother.....

Statements like that do not explain the unexplainable fallacies of your zietgiest religion.

You are a follower of a religion, no different then any other religion. If you were christian you would be ranting about the shroud of Turin on this forum but you are a zietgiest freak so you spew this instead.

A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth.
 

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holy fuck, why do I even bother.....

Statements like that do not explain the unexplainable fallacies of your zietgiest religion.

You are a follower of a religion, no different then any other religion. If you were christian you would be ranting about the shroud of Turin on this forum but you are a zietgiest freak so you spew this instead.

A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth.

How many times have I said FUCK ZEITGEIST? See you dont even read my posts. I never said the US wasnt an empire either. Yes they are an empire but they are CONTROLLED from British inertests like the Rothschild family and the Rockefeller family. We all know the Bush family is realted to the queen. Obama and Chenney being cousins etc. And then Obama had his meeting with the queen. And these "globalists" are CFR,Trilateral Commision,Bilderberg,Club of Rome etc... Theres more than one group but they all have the same agenda. Thats why they say new world order, they are signing from the same song sheet.
 

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It's not the New World Order.....it is the World Order and it isn't new. Been going on for decades. Ever since WWII. Took you this long to figure that out?

So, LB....what do we do? What's the solution? There's the problem, now what? Being a siren of doom is just fine, but use your alex Jones decoder ring and tell me....what is the solution that will save us all?
Lightbearer, do you pick and choose whom you respond to? Answer the guy's question. What's your solution. If the rest of us are sheep then what are you?
What are you doing to change things other then go on about it on an escort review board? What's your answer to the problem then?
you've told us over and over what the problem is. So how do we fix it?
 

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holy fuck, why do I even bother.....

Statements like that do not explain the unexplainable fallacies of your zietgiest religion.

You are a follower of a religion, no different then any other religion. If you were christian you would be ranting about the shroud of Turin on this forum but you are a zietgiest freak so you spew this instead.

A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth.
Wess, you are not alone. There are many of us who ask the same question. I can only speak for myself, although I am fairly certain the basic fundamental reason we do post regarding lighthead is that we just don't like such out and out garbage being spewed on this or any other board. If this was a 9/11 NWO debating forum, that would be another story entirely, but it's an escort review board.

There are so many sites on the net that easily debunk all this nonsense with cold hard facts, but as shown in the past, he is either too daft to understand, or more likely so brainwashed in his thinking, it just doesn't compute for him.

Wess, don't get frustrated, enjoy the fun.
 

LightBearer

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Wess, you are not alone. There are many of us who ask the same question. I can only speak for myself, although I am fairly certain the basic fundamental reason we do post regarding lighthead is that we just don't like such out and out garbage being spewed on this or any other board. If this was a 9/11 NWO debating forum, that would be another story entirely, but it's an escort review board.

There are so many sites on the net that easily debunk all this nonsense with cold hard facts, but as shown in the past, he is either too daft to understand, or more likely so brainwashed in his thinking, it just doesn't compute for him.

Wess, don't get frustrated, enjoy the fun.
This is the LOUNGE OPEN DISCUSSION FORUM. Comprende?

There are sections for escort reviews and all that.

Spo have you had any luck finding a free fall collapsing building? Just admit it you can't find it BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED UNTIL 9/11!

Now go lie down and die, close your eyes and never open them.
 

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Lightbearer, do you pick and choose whom you respond to? Answer the guy's question. What's your solution. If the rest of us are sheep then what are you?
What are you doing to change things other then go on about it on an escort review board? What's your answer to the problem then?
you've told us over and over what the problem is. So how do we fix it?
I've already said what solutions there are. Waking people up si number one. How else do you fight back if you don't know who the enemy is. Wake people up so they are more involved in REAL issues like politics, something that effects there lives. Not going out on weekends and getting wasted, worrying about your favorite team, women wth the whole "Madison Avenue" culture. Those are all distractions.

Do I have to have all the answers? Do I need my own website and radio show? A library of documentaries? I'm just warning people, if had had the ability to do something like that then I would. I'm not a know it all, I'm just saying the NWO is real, if it wasn't then why do we hear it in the news all the time now? Like its the answer to the economic crisis. Which was engineered on purpose but you'll just call all the quotes by heads of state and bankers a consiracy theory.

No one forced you to read my stuff. Its a public forum your free to roam where you want.
 

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He's finally convinced me now. I am going to do my best to join the plotters. Anybody so smart and dedicated that they control all the world's governments and have controlled every political event for decades has my unswerving devotion.

Anybody have the email address for the Rothschilds? or would it be better to contact the Rockefellers? Decisions....
 

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How many times have I said FUCK ZEITGEIST? See you dont even read my posts. I never said the US wasnt an empire either. Yes they are an empire but they are CONTROLLED from British inertests like the Rothschild family and the Rockefeller family. We all know the Bush family is realted to the queen. Obama and Chenney being cousins etc. And then Obama had his meeting with the queen. And these "globalists" are CFR,Trilateral Commision,Bilderberg,Club of Rome etc... Theres more than one group but they all have the same agenda. Thats why they say new world order, they are signing from the same song sheet.
Like I already said. None of your so called replies explain the unexplainable. Why do you try and spread your faith so much ? Maybe its because that is what all religions do.
 

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Like I already said. None of your so called replies explain the unexplainable. Why do you try and spread your faith so much ? Maybe its because that is what all religions do.
So whats taking you so long to find just ONE building that as collapsed at free fall speed?
 

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So whats taking you so long to find just ONE building that as collapsed at free fall speed?
Not that it will change lighthead's mind, but 2 things at a minimum should be pointed out about his dribble.

First, it has been proven that the buildings, all three, didn't fall at free fall speed. Even one of the main truthers, Steven Jones, who by the way, has never provided 1 factual piece of evidence, retracted his original statements that the buildings fell at free fall speed. There is so much information out there proving that is nonsense.

Second, if lighthead really wanted to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges, then maybe he would have a leg to stand on, but alas he doesn't. He keeps showing the building in China, and makes reference to the Madrid hotel. Well, it doesn't take a genius to point out that neither were hit by a 757 travelling at 500 MPH loaded with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, thereby destroying the structural integrity of the building. Not really that hard to see the difference for most NORMAL people.

Of course, his comeback will be that is what THEY want you to believe.

I must admit that I did read one very interesting comment about all of this, and in a nutshell, it stated, that anyone who actually debates this stuff on the internet with these truthers is just as insane as they are. I guess more than a few of us fit that catagory.

I have no grand illusions. I know darn well that lighthead, deberry and their ilk will never be swayed from their beliefs, and I actually say that is ok. As I have mentioned before, they are entitled to their misguided beliefs, but why o why are they spewing all this garbage on this board when there are so many sites that discuss these exact issues. My only guess is that they would be shot down even faster, with far more knowledgeable people on the subject than are on this board.

Lastly, all this NWO talk. I think the easiest way to explain it to lighthead would be to give this analogy. A baseball teams batting order. If the manager finds that his leadoff hitter is not getting the job done, then he replaces him. Maybe his big run producer is also in a slump. The manager will then move someone else to hit cleanup. Then voila, you have a NBO, or a New Batting Order, just like what is happening in the world today with nations.

lighthead, have a nice day.
 

wess

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So whats taking you so long to find just ONE building that as collapsed at free fall speed?
So that is your shroud of Turin. The building that did not fall at free fall speed.
In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.
 

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So that is your shroud of Turin. The building that did not fall at free fall speed.
In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html

And not to mention the SEISMIC data. And if you think the debris hitting the ground caused a 2.1 and 2.3 tremors, theres not enough mass to do that? Tremors before collapse? No bombs, none at all!?!?
 

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Not that it will change lighthead's mind, but 2 things at a minimum should be pointed out about his dribble.

First, it has been proven that the buildings, all three, didn't fall at free fall speed. Even one of the main truthers, Steven Jones, who by the way, has never provided 1 factual piece of evidence, retracted his original statements that the buildings fell at free fall speed. There is so much information out there proving that is nonsense.

Second, if lighthead really wanted to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges, then maybe he would have a leg to stand on, but alas he doesn't. He keeps showing the building in China, and makes reference to the Madrid hotel. Well, it doesn't take a genius to point out that neither were hit by a 757 travelling at 500 MPH loaded with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, thereby destroying the structural integrity of the building. Not really that hard to see the difference for most NORMAL people.

Of course, his comeback will be that is what THEY want you to believe.

I must admit that I did read one very interesting comment about all of this, and in a nutshell, it stated, that anyone who actually debates this stuff on the internet with these truthers is just as insane as they are. I guess more than a few of us fit that catagory.

I have no grand illusions. I know darn well that lighthead, deberry and their ilk will never be swayed from their beliefs, and I actually say that is ok. As I have mentioned before, they are entitled to their misguided beliefs, but why o why are they spewing all this garbage on this board when there are so many sites that discuss these exact issues. My only guess is that they would be shot down even faster, with far more knowledgeable people on the subject than are on this board.

Lastly, all this NWO talk. I think the easiest way to explain it to lighthead would be to give this analogy. A baseball teams batting order. If the manager finds that his leadoff hitter is not getting the job done, then he replaces him. Maybe his big run producer is also in a slump. The manager will then move someone else to hit cleanup. Then voila, you have a NBO, or a New Batting Order, just like what is happening in the world today with nations.

lighthead, have a nice day.

From the mouth of the WTC construction manager.....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...4nWScWuOIzuqAP7teD5Bw&q=frank+demartini&hl=en
Normal people use common sense, you let the TV do the thinking for you.
 

LightBearer

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Not that it will change lighthead's mind, but 2 things at a minimum should be pointed out about his dribble.

First, it has been proven that the buildings, all three, didn't fall at free fall speed. Even one of the main truthers, Steven Jones, who by the way, has never provided 1 factual piece of evidence, retracted his original statements that the buildings fell at free fall speed. There is so much information out there proving that is nonsense.

Second, if lighthead really wanted to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges, then maybe he would have a leg to stand on, but alas he doesn't. He keeps showing the building in China, and makes reference to the Madrid hotel. Well, it doesn't take a genius to point out that neither were hit by a 757 travelling at 500 MPH loaded with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, thereby destroying the structural integrity of the building. Not really that hard to see the difference for most NORMAL people.

Of course, his comeback will be that is what THEY want you to believe.

I must admit that I did read one very interesting comment about all of this, and in a nutshell, it stated, that anyone who actually debates this stuff on the internet with these truthers is just as insane as they are. I guess more than a few of us fit that catagory.

I have no grand illusions. I know darn well that lighthead, deberry and their ilk will never be swayed from their beliefs, and I actually say that is ok. As I have mentioned before, they are entitled to their misguided beliefs, but why o why are they spewing all this garbage on this board when there are so many sites that discuss these exact issues. My only guess is that they would be shot down even faster, with far more knowledgeable people on the subject than are on this board.

Lastly, all this NWO talk. I think the easiest way to explain it to lighthead would be to give this analogy. A baseball teams batting order. If the manager finds that his leadoff hitter is not getting the job done, then he replaces him. Maybe his big run producer is also in a slump. The manager will then move someone else to hit cleanup. Then voila, you have a NBO, or a New Batting Order, just like what is happening in the world today with nations.

lighthead, have a nice day.
A collapsing building WON't vaporize itself into DUST ok? That doesnt happen.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/more-than-600-architects-say-911-an-inside-job/
 

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A collapsing building WON't vaporize itself into DUST ok? That doesnt happen.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/more-than-600-architects-say-911-an-inside-job/

Mystery finally solved.

Folks, for those of you that have a good sense of humour, do yourself a favour and click on this website. Spare about 3 minutes of your time, (which unfourtunatly you will never get back), and take a look around.

This sites mainly consists of paranoid, physcotic predictions about a nuclear holocaust happening in 2012. You know that when a site quotes Nostradameus, it's in trouble.

It also quotes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a century plus old hoax written by Czarist Russia, blaming all the worlds ills on the Jews.

Now with credentials like this, it's no wonder lighthead laps this up like a thirsty dog. Lighthead, no one said you aren't entitled to your opinions, its a free country, but please, do us all a favour and take this spewage to a board that will really appreciate you.

Really, we understand. You think the world is coming to an end, all of mans problems are caused by a small group of international bankers, probably Jewish, Cheney ordered 9/11, the moon landing was staged, Obama is just another chump who is being dictated to by the Bilderberg Group, and soon we will all be slaves, you love your guns, and so on and so on

Great, you stated your viewpoints, they have been dulely noted, we believe that you believe in these things very passionately, but you have stated that about as much as most people can endure, so as delicately as possible, please let me say,

STOP WITH ALL THE BULLSHIT.
 

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Mystery finally solved.

Folks, for those of you that have a good sense of humour, do yourself a favour and click on this website. Spare about 3 minutes of your time, (which unfourtunatly you will never get back), and take a look around.

This sites mainly consists of paranoid, physcotic predictions about a nuclear holocaust happening in 2012. You know that when a site quotes Nostradameus, it's in trouble.

It also quotes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a century plus old hoax written by Czarist Russia, blaming all the worlds ills on the Jews.

Now with credentials like this, it's no wonder lighthead laps this up like a thirsty dog. Lighthead, no one said you aren't entitled to your opinions, its a free country, but please, do us all a favour and take this spewage to a board that will really appreciate you.

Really, we understand. You think the world is coming to an end, all of mans problems are caused by a small group of international bankers, probably Jewish, Cheney ordered 9/11, the moon landing was staged, Obama is just another chump who is being dictated to by the Bilderberg Group, and soon we will all be slaves, you love your guns, and so on and so on

Great, you stated your viewpoints, they have been dulely noted, we believe that you believe in these things very passionately, but you have stated that about as much as most people can endure, so as delicately as possible, please let me say,

STOP WITH ALL THE BULLSHIT.
More Than 600 Architects Say 9/11 an Inside Job

By Mark Anderson

American Free Press.

IRVINE, Calif.—Noted San Francisco architect Richard Gage told the audience at Freedom Law School’s annual health and freedom conference recently that his organization, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, is growing quickly and now has more than 600 structural experts who have grave doubts about the official story of what happened to the three World Trade Center buildings that were destroyed in New York City on Sept. 11, 2001.



“We hope to have 1,000 members by September and have over 600 now,” said Gage, a successful architect whose projects dot the California landscape.

The audience heard Gage describe the many problems with the official version, not the least of which is that fire is an “organic process” that could not have caused the symmetrical (uniform) destruction of the 110-story Twin Towers that morning, and the fall of the 47-story Soloman Brothers Building (Building 7) more than six hours later. These three buildings were part of the Rockefeller-inspired WTC complex, consisting of seven buildings on 16 acres.

Gage noted that the vaunted National Institute for Safety and Technology (NIST) study of the WTC buildings did not even look at the voluminous evidence of a controlled demolition of the three structures on 9-11, so it’s not as if the evidence was examined by NIST and declared inconclusive. NIST instead only examined the event “up to the point of collapse” and went no further. Thus, there is no way the government can objectively assess the entire catastrophic event.

“How can you find what you are not looking for?” Gage asked, adding that various forces that can destroy buildings—including fire and earthquakes—have obvious characteristics. Fire does not devour a structure uniformly because it randomly branches out wherever there is, say, furniture and other “fuel” to consume. The melting point of structural steel is around 2,300 degrees Fahrenheit. The short-duration Twin Tower fires reached no more than 1,400 degrees (and that is very generous).

So for the government to say that burning jet fuel within the Twin Towers not only uniformly melted structural steel to the point of collapse—but brought the huge buildings down at near freefall speed—is the height of absurdity, not to mention that it is categorically impossible for fire to pulverize concrete. More than 90,000 tons of concrete was pulverized mid-air, along with metal decking. Blast waves blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away.

That third building that many Americans still are only dimly aware of, Building 7, really drives this issue home, in Gage’s view. “Well, the 600 architects I represent are most concerned about the freefall collapse of Building 7, the third skyscraper [that was] not hit by an airplane to fall on the afternoon of 9/11. This is a 47-story skyscraper that in the first hundred feet of its fall is falling at freefall speed. This is acknowledged by NIST. That can’t happen unless the structure [underneath] is removed. There is no resistance from the structure to that fall in the first 2.25 seconds. So this of great concern. Of course it falls symmetrically almost at freefall speed and collapses thereafter—the whole building is destroyed in 6.5 seconds,” as he told AFP in an exclusive interview.

He added: “NIST . . . claims that we have 10 fires [in Building 7], one of which was ‘roaring’ . . . and [the fires] ‘expanded the beams,’ knocking a girder off its seat and causing ‘an internal cascading collapse’—which is ludicrous because we would have seen all kinds of deformation on the perimeter structure. Anyway, they claim fires brought this building down, but fire is an organic process that doesn’t bring buildings down symmetrically at freefall speed, in the manner of a classic controlled demolition. So that’s the No. 1 key point of evidence.”

As for the Twin Towers, he said there are “many similar features of controlled demolition, but very different as well. It’s explosive. Everything is being ejected outside of the footprint – 95 percent of the debris. Four-ton perimeter wall units are being hurled laterally 600 feet, which takes 55 miles per hour instant acceleration out of the sides of the tower. Now underneath all three buildings we have several tons of molten metal [at 2,700 F or hotter, which stayed hot for 3-4 months] which is not created by jet fuel or office fires or anything else. Where does all this come from? We have video evidence, photographic evidence. The official government reports don’t even talk about it; nor do they talk about the dozens of explosions heard by 118 witnesses recorded orally by the chief fire commissioner of the City of New York.”

Gage continued: “It’s extraordinary what we don’t have in the [NIST] report, and that’s what we focus on in Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. In addition in the towers we have 110 floors of four-inch thick concrete; they are an acre in size each. We’re looking for some of those floors at the bottom of the pile. The photographs don’t reveal any of them—just a pile of debris two or three stories high.”

“Where did the ‘pancakes’ go?” AFP then asked Gage, referring to the government’s “pancake” theory, wherein the heavy collapsing floors from the top overwhelmed the structure below and “pancaked” down to the bottom. Counting both towers, 220 floors were missing on that “Black Tuesday.”

“That’s what we’re looking for is pancakes,” he replied. “We’ve got the ‘syrup,’ we have no pancakes. The ‘syrup’ is the molten metal.”

He went on to say: “Also we are looking at explosions that occurred 20, 40 and 60 stories down—below the collapsing building! Where are they coming from? NIST says they are ‘puffs of air’ because there are piledrivers pushing down the building and that air has to come out somewhere, right? They are not puffs of air; they are pulverized building materials and they occur at 160 to 200 feet per second. These are propelled by explosive speeds.”

As determined by former Brigham Young physicist Steven Jones—and reiterated by Gage—the telltale signs of an ultra-hot incendiary known as thermite (which becomes thermate with sulfur added) were found in the dust at 4-5 distinct locations in New York. Thermite can reach temperatures of 4,500 F and can be explosive when it’s souped up. Microspheres formed from molten iron constitute some of the evidence, as well as red chips comprised of unignited thermite. Gage believes that nano-thermite is the most likely culprit, since it is a “quieter” but ultra-powerful explosive.

“Al Qaeda probably did not have access to these buildings or to thermite (or thermate), which was not made in a cave in Afghanistan,” Gage commented, adding, however, that his organization [www.AE911truth.org] does not formally probe who the perpetrators were. But he fears whoever pulled it off could do it again because the truth has long been suppressed, leaving Americans vulnerable.

Gage’s group supports a new, genuine investigation, whereas the official “investigation” did not even include establishing a crime scene at the WTC complex and ended with the official 9/11 Commission report that does even mention Building 7.
 

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TIME MAGAZINE
Barack Obama's New World Order
By Michael Scherer / Strasbourg Friday, Apr. 03, 2009President Barack Obama speaks during a town-hall meeting at Rhenus Sports Arena in Strasbourg, eastern France, on April 3, 2009
Lionel Bonaventure / AFP / Getty

The United States is still the same country it was a year ago, give or take about 6 million jobs. But its international branding campaign, as led by the new President, Barack Obama, is so different that the rest of the world might be forgiven if it has to do a double take.


Most of the hallmarks of the foreign policy of George W. Bush are gone. The old conservative idea of "American exceptionalism," which placed the U.S. on a plane above the rest of the world as a unique beacon of democracy and financial might, has been rejected. At almost every stop, Obama has made clear that the U.S. is but one actor in a global community. Talk of American economic supremacy has been replaced by a call from Obama for more growth in developing countries. Claims of American military supremacy have been replaced with heavy emphasis on cooperation and diplomatic hard labor. (Read "Obama in Europe: Facing Four Big Challenges.")

The tone was set from Obama's first public remarks in London on Wednesday, at a press conference with Prime Minister Gordon Brown, where the American President said he had come "to listen, not to lecture." At a joint appearance with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Baden-Baden on Friday, a German reporter asked Obama about his "grand designs" for NATO. "I don't come bearing grand designs," Obama said, scrapping the leadership role the U.S. maintained through the Cold War. "I'm here to listen, to share ideas and to jointly, as one of many NATO allies, help shape our vision for the future."

On Thursday night, after the G-20 summit ended, Obama took so many questions from the foreign press, including British, Indian and Chinese reporters, that a group of them applauded when he left the stage. Two American reporters asked Obama for his response to the claim by Brown that the "Washington consensus is over." Obama all but agreed with Brown, noting that the phrase had its roots in a significant set of economic policies that had shown itself to be imperfect. He went on to talk about the benefits of increasing economic competition with the U.S. "That's not a loss for America," he said of the economic rise of other powers. "It's an appreciation that Europe is now rebuilt and a powerhouse. Japan is rebuilt, is a powerhouse. China, India — these are all countries on the move. And that's good."

At a town hall in Strasbourg, France, Obama stood before an audience of mostly French and German youth and admitted that the U.S. should have a greater respect for Europe. "In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world," he said before offering other European critical views of his country. "There have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."

The contrast is striking. Only four years ago, George W. Bush, in his second Inaugural Address, described what he called America's "considerable" influence, saying, "We will use it confidently in freedom's cause." Bush's vision of American power was combative and aggressive. He said the U.S. would "seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture." He continued, "We go forward with complete confidence in the eventual triumph of freedom."

Obama, by contrast, is looking for collaboration. He is looking to build a collective vision, not to impose an American one. And the response has been notable, from the endless flashbulbs that fired off at his town hall to the cheers of spectators who lined his motorcade routes and gathered outside his events in London. At the end of Obama's Friday press conference, French President Nicolas Sarkozy addressed the issue directly, speaking through an interpreter. "It feels really good to be able to work with a U.S. President who wants to change the world and who understands that the world does not boil down to simply American frontiers and borders," he said. "And that is a hell of a good piece of news for 2009."
 

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G-20 Makes Six Pledges Toward New World Order
In a press conference after the plenary session the British PM Gordon Brown read the communique of the G-20 leaders where the heads of the states have agreed to make six pledges to improve the world economy and emerge a "new world order."

Brown says that the world leaders have pledged to take global actions together and that a consensus is reached. One trillion dollars will be made available through the International Monetary Fund to boost the world economy

G-20 will take essential actions to rebuild confidence and trust in the financial system. There are no quick fixes, but the leaders pledge to act together to work things out.

The leaders will regulate credit rating agencies so they provide better pictures of economies and companies around the world helping investors to make wiser decisions. The leaders will end tax heavens and will bring end to banking secrecy.

Banking secrecy must come to end, says Gordon Brown. Tough standards and sanctions will be taken against those who don't come to light in the future.

IMF and the world bank will have a major role to play in the new world order and in the rebuilding of the world economies. IMF will provide the early warning mechanisms in the future.

G-20 leaders have agreed to implement new rules on executive pay and bonuses. The countries will encourage corporate responsibility.

Cleaning the Banks

G-20 takes action toward cleaning the banks and make them to act more responsibly.

G-20 pledges to restore global growth and hasten recovery to combat unemployment. These actions will create confidence. IMF is called to monitor their progress and warn when needed.

Leaders pledge to stengthen the independence of international financial and economic institutions. The pledge also includes giving emerging markets and developing markets greater responsibilies. The heads of the international institutions should be named based on merit.

The G-20 leaders pledge to kick start the international trade. Successful and growing international trade will boost global economy substantially. 250 billion will be provided in the next 2 years to aid this this goal. However, it was not clear if it will be in dollars or British Pounds.

The G-20 leaders pledge to make this global recovery fair and sustainable. There will be no walking away from the world's poorest. 50 billion will go to the poorest countries. Again from PM's speech it was not clear in what currency.

G-20 decided to meet later this year to measure the progress. The venue is not clear yet, but will be announced within few days. Today's decisions will not immediately solve the crisis, but the process has begun and this is a start.

The most important thing is that the largest countries in the world have agreed on a plan to aid the global economy. This G-20 will provide the biggest increase in resources in the history of the international institutions.

Gordon Brown made a very important announcement noting that "I think a New World order is emerging." The leaders expect it to be more sustainable and more open and more fairer global society.

In regard to the question about the international currency Brown said "we are reviewing the future of IM and WB and their role in the future. Issues about international currencies have not lead to detailed reports and proposals. Yes we will look at any proposal that comes forward. Right now the goal is to build confidence and recover."

You can read the G-20 Official Six Pledge Statement here.
http://www.huliq.com/1/79220/g-20-makes-six-pledges-toward-new-world-order
 
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