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Habitat for Humanity in St. Albert, Alta and how one resident feels about it.

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St. Albert is a bedroom community to Edmonton. Alot of people who live in St. Albert work in Edmonton.

Habitat for Humanity is looking at setting up a few houses in St. Albert. One resident of St. Albert objected to this with the following letter to their local newspaper.

Look at the reaction following the letter and how others felt by what the authors wrote.

http://www.stalbertgazette.com/arti...r-earning-families-part-of-st-alberts-appeals

Higher-earning families part of St. Albert's appeal
Apr 03, 2010 06:00 am
In the past few months it has become apparent to the people of St. Albert that a proposed project by Habitat for Humanity has been planned for an area of Akinsdale. At first word of this my wife and I had no comment as we believed this would not affect us, but as time wears on we have come to realize that this is an issue that will affect all St. Albert residents.

My family and I are homeowners in a new development in Kingswood. We moved our family and business to St. Albert so our children could have what we believed would be a better upbringing. The list of amenities made the decision easy; some examples are good schools and programs (not so crowded), low crime, a higher standard of living, great recreational possibilities and numerous other aspects. Every example owes itself to one major factor: high or above-average income.

The average family income for St. Albert is higher than in Edmonton or any other area municipality. We moved to St. Albert because we can afford it and we deserve it. This is a great city with great families. We feel comfortable joining in activities we would not have considered in Edmonton.

This development is a bad idea for St. Albert for both current residents and the people who will occupy the new development. Current residents will have to deal with the likeliness of children influenced by crime in our schools and adults in our community. Our cost of living will increase as we will have to pay for low-income subsidies due to higher school fees or other taxes. We won’t feel comfortable taking our kids to activities like movie night in the park or other St. Albert events for fear that there will be unruly families. We can assure each other that measures will be taken to prevent this influence, but that’s not what we want.

We don’t want a police presence at family outings. We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force. What we want is for St. Albert to remain as it is with very few low-income households, a place for families that work hard to live here. You can say we will screen to make sure those families won’t make the cut, but there is no level of pre-screening that will prevent some form of crime from infiltrating the proposed development. It will happen, guaranteed.

This will start a landslide of things that will turn southeast St. Albert into a low-income area instead of middle class. Low-income families will have difficulty up-keeping the proposed development, and in turn it will bring down the value of the surrounding houses. This sounds unjustified; look at some of the Habitat for Humanity developments in Edmonton where this has already occurred.

This development will be hard for the families moving in. Being low income will make it difficult for children to be accepted in local schools. Like it or not, the children of St. Albert are high-standard children and have no place for low-income classmates. When we first moved to St. Albert our teen had a hard time fitting in because of money and it was hard on him. Now he is good, but it did not go away with just a loving hug — his status was accomplished once his friends saw our house and other possessions. It sounds cruel but that is how it is; ask your children, they will tell you.

Sports activities in St. Albert are another problem area. Sure the base costs are the same as other areas, but the teams here expect more financially from families. In Edmonton there are recreational activities at the YMCA; there are no subsidies for families in St. Albert, nor do we want to pay for it. Our family membership to Servus Place is $1,300 a year plus costs for Fountain Park and other activities, but we can afford it. Putting low-income families in this situation is not reasonable or fair — it would be like giving a new car to someone that can’t afford the gas. They would be better off with a bus pass. I am all for low-income housing in Edmonton. I believe more independent living housing is required in St. Albert and would be better suited than this proposal.

Chris and Karleena Perry, St. Albert
 

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There's one thing that the Perrys' letter proves: Rich people are not necessarily intelligent people, nor are some of them people at all.
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emilioa4

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i agree completely here, the guy is a complete and utter moron. go and build your own fucking island and stay there if you dont want to associate with the "riff raff". it doesnt matter where you live, if someone wants something of yours they will come and get it, plain and simple. no gates or alarms will keep things from being taken, no matter how far you live from "riff raff". besides, i can name a ton of nice neighborhoods that rival "prestigious St Albert" here in the city. i got money too, but i dont go around flashing it or thinking im better than the guy next to me, thats a lousy way to live your life.
 

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Their business is as noted below:

- In this type of business, I'm sure that they would be employing that segment of society that aren't "high" class. How do they manage it? Do they put one face on for work and another face for home ????

- Also take a look at the "Recommendations" as there are lots of comments there. I just ran out of room in PERB here !


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All I can say is this guy is a class A fucktard....his initial letter was like parking a car halfway off a cliff....and the second one was like walking on the hood.I hate to see how much damage this is going to cause his business.....perhaps he will be on the list for subsidized housing ;)

SR
 

edmontonsubbie

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uh...Edmonton.
I gave up on St. Albert three years ago. Not enough fucktards to support my enterprise. I now prey on the holier than thou Sherwood Parkians....they are even more self assured than the St. Albert types.....perfect.

kindest,

eddie.
 

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I gave up on St. Albert three years ago. Not enough fucktards to support my enterprise. I now prey on the holier than thou Sherwood Parkians....they are even more self assured than the St. Albert types.....perfect.

kindest,

eddie.
If you own a house in St. Albert, but rent it out, does that still make you a St. Albert type ???
 

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Did anyone read all of the comments on the story link provided by cruiser? While Mr. Perry made a bit of a mess of things with his letter this comment provides a bit of perspective on the issue:


This letter is not about Habitat for Humanity. It's about the potential for large low-income housing projects being built everywhere without following the zoning bylaws.

The proposal for Akinsdale was for 58 row housing units of which only 15 were for Habitat for Humanity families. The remaining 43 were going to be built and sold by Apollo Developments, which is owned by the former Board Chair of Habitat for Humanity, and sold on the open market for far too much money. They could get away with this because Habitat was going to cover a 20% second mortgage so qualifying would be easier. You could call it taking advantage of the naive and desperate.

Since Habitat for Humanity has such a good name, Apollo was hiding under their banner to get access to the land that was going to be paid for with tax dollars. They wanted to cram more units than was reasonably possible on the site to maximize their unit sales.

They were going to build small units with no basements and only small sheds attached for storage. Apollo Developments was going to sub the home building to Apollo Homes and the piling system supports to Apollo Piling Systems. Who do you think was going to benefit the most from this? Do you really believe it would have been someone buying an 864 sq ft two bedroom unit for $200K-$250K?

There was going to be a shortage of parking stalls because there were too many units on the land. The tall two storey structures were going to be too close to existing residents' yards because those yards were ten feet shorter than normal because they "backed onto a park".

Fortunately, City Council listened to the citizens and is giving them some input into what will be built there. Since they invested their lives in the neighbourhood, that's the least they deserve. If 43 more units would have been built than would fit on the land, it would have created a rental slum within a year. That would not benefit anyone - not the surrounding residents and not the hopeful homebuyers that would have found they were stuck in a deal they couldn't escape from.

If Habitat for Humanity wants to be a developer, they should have to follow the zoning bylaws like everyone else. The rules are there for a reason. Otherwise they should go back to doing what they do best - build two or four homes at a time in places that revitalize the neighbourhoods they're in and where they fit in with existing homes.
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edmontonsubbie

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uh...Edmonton.
If you own a house in St. Albert, but rent it out, does that still make you a St. Albert type ???
no, that makes you an intelligent enterpriser.

Did anyone read all of the comments on the story link provided by cruiser?
nope....fuck the details. All I care about is the deal. I won't make a deal with someone who won't mind their own details. I doubt many are different.....it boils down always the same....say what you mean...mean what you say. And, if you say something you wished you hadn't....honour your word.

kindest,

eddie.
 

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So....Mr. Perry was on the evening news tonight to offer an "apology" for what he said in his letter.

Funny thing...he didn't want his face shown for his own personal safety. They basically showed his waist and stomach. I can say that he's "certainly" not a fit person. For his elitest views, you would've thought that he was a man with a fit body, etc.

Turns out, (from what I could see), he's more like an overgrown couch potato. White male, at least 275-300 lbs plus. Spoke like he just finished smoking a pack of cigarettes. (very hoarse)...and using alot of single syllable words.

And he paints himself like such a king....an image to look upto...

Don't we all want to live in St. Albert and have those similar views!
 

edmontonsubbie

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uh...Edmonton.
Thanks. I just want people to stay off my lawn....thats all I ask. :rolleyes:
wiping my feet on HB's lawn....gawd...can't you get a better fescue than this?

oh well, thanks for the wipe.

eddie.
 

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"FORGIVENESS DOES NOT OVERLOOK THE DEED, IT RISES ABOVE IT".

Did Mr. Perry make a terrible decision to commit premeditated stupidity? Yes, absolutely he did.
Is he lacking what most of us would consider to be an acceptable level of respect for humans? Yes.
Is the guy a complete and utter moron for saying what he did, and where he said it? ....YES.

Saying something we wish like hell we could take back ...

I don't know him or his family, I do live in St. Albert, more importantly, I have said and done many (many) very stupid things in my life ...and chances are you all have too. We all know how it feels to be him (figuratively) having said or done the dumbest thing possible, feeling like you wished you could turn back the clock but knowing full well you can't. My heart is actually breaking for the regret this man must be feeling, the truth will have settled in his heart, his family likely is not sleeping at night, his children won't understand why they are suddenly being rejected by classmates.

It is up to me to rise above his stupidity.

I am not condoning nor agreeing with a single word he has said, I am simply saying perhaps we should look at our own choices, the things we do, the things we say (here on PERB ...ahem, clearing my throat innocently) and realize that we have something he did not ...the foresight to create a clever avatar, to safely speak up publically without actually going public, the ability to write our dirtiest nastiest and sometimes most deviant thoughts, which could easily be judged in the press, without attaching our real first and last names. He is no different than anyone I know. Burn me at the stake for saying so. He's just a dude who F*cked up Big Time, but no bigger than you or I have at some time in our life ...on some level ...we have all been him.

Perhaps just allow him some grace for being human and making a very big mistake.
"FORGIVENESS DOES NOT OVERLOOK THE DEED, IT RISES ABOVE IT".

**not religious in the typical sense, religious about accepting everyone for who they are and never passing judgement on anyone at all ...I am fairly sure there are many who would love the chance to pass judgement on all who are members here on PERB. Thank the Easter Bunny that none of us attached our real names ...phew.

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Perhaps just allow him some grace for being human and making a very big mistake.
"FORGIVENESS DOES NOT OVERLOOK THE DEED, IT RISES ABOVE IT".

**not religious in the typical sense, religious about accepting everyone for who they are and never passing judgement on anyone at all ...I am fairly sure there are many who would love the chance to pass judgement on all who are members here on PERB. Thank the Easter Bunny that none of us attached our real names ...phew.

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As usual Jessica, you are the smartest of all.

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If I can become a better human being for forgiving him, then I prefer to remain a neanderthal.

Sorry, Jessica, but I cannot forgive him for his fucktardedness. I CANNOT AND I WILL NOT. He can just go burn in hell. Or St. Albert.
Don't be sorry Sperminator, I am not and will not begrudge anybody for remaining furious with this guy. He did what he did. We feel how we feel, I was not asking you to forgive him.

Like you, I was simply stating my view, my outlook, my opinion.

Besides, a few of us know that the line up to hell is gonna be really long ;) I may end up in line beside him.

Honest Sperminator, I'm not asking anyone to agree with me ...As I said, "burn me at the stake for saying so"
 

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I am not attempting to make enemies or friends by sharing my opinion ...but Sperminator perhaps I can assist you with the stress you are under because of this idiot! What say?

Instead of as you said "FUCK HIM" ...hmmm, I'm thinking you could do that very thing to me with all the passion and fire you are feeling and ...
I have a proposal for you.
Are you interested?
Jessica P. Rabbit
 

emilioa4

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yeah i feel very strongly about this issue too. and why is it just directed to low income as trouble?? can he not admit that some of his neighbors who purchased those million dollar homes did so with illicit gains?? how is that "better" than the working class guy trying to bust his ass off for his kids? what kind of values is this guy teaching his kids for when they grow up?? my parents tried and tried over again to give us the best they could, even if it wasnt much, it was the meaning and intent that i will always carry with me. my kids will never have to worry about their future, but you can be damn sure they will never be allowed to become complacent about their future, they will still have to work their own asses off to make ends meet when they grow up. what i leave them when i pass will be only a bonus. fucking guy, puts down the very people who help him get to where he is. i wouldnt want him as my neighbor i tell you this. there is a bad apple in every crowd, rich or poor, and he is just a fine example of one.
 

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sperminator, for a while there I thought maybe you were lined up to buy on of those places and your dream was in jeopardy. There will not be adequate closet space for your wardrobe.
 
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