guys that pick up SWs: dirty dogs or no?

[ghostie]

I'm curious as to what the SPs think about guys that pick up SWs. Is it any different, or any more risk, than any other client?

Guys feel free to chime in as well (as if I have to give you permission!!)

 

[ghostie]

guys feel free to vote on this poll. Your votes will represent what you think an SPs attitude should be on this topic.

 

[lenny]

If i was them i wouldn't do me till i was one year clean & sober
and showed medical documents...

Even then i wouldn't get too close...

;

 

[maverick73]

During my short "career," I met up with SW's that were clean, average, or downright skanky. I also met up with SP's (I differentiate SP from SW in that an SP has a permanent place to live and some sort of incall... or just a higher class escort in general) that were mostly clean. On AVERAGE, SP's are much cleaner. However, I've met some so called SP's with incalls that were downright skankier and dirtier than many SW's. I use the term "met up" because I never did every SP/SW I met.

That being said, I think it is more the choice that the client makes, than to completely group SW's with filth and SP's with "high class." In fact, on a certain part of Kingsway, the line is REALLY blurred. There is a mid-high track where many of the girls either work at MP's, have their own incall (and permanent place to live), have multiple ads in papers or the internet, have their own website, and/or are on PERB (I won't mention names though)!!! I haven't seen this "phenomenon" at any of the other tracks... I mean, some low track girls will have their own place to live, but it's usually just a 1 room does it all (bed, living room, family room, kitchen, sink, etc. all in 1 room with shared shower/bathroom with the whole floor)... so I don't really count that.

Personally, I didn't do vaginal with ANY SP or SW... well, except 1 SP (won't say who!!!) and 1 SW, not because I wanted to, but because it was the 2nd time I saw her, she was horny and insisted I fuck her.. but honestly, I wasn't able to get off that way for various reasons... but we made it "memorable" in other ways and therefore I was able to go home and jack off . I'll tell the story about this one some other time, but it involved intentionally parking right by the cops and having several cop cars drive by with her legs on the headliner of my car and screaming for me to f$ck her hard and pull her hair... the adrelanine rush alone was worth the experience even though I didn't come. Anyways, we're getting off topic...

I only do BJ's and HJ's (the safest!). BJ's I will do covered if the girl is average looking (in terms of cleaniless not looks). BBBJ if the girl looks somewhat clean. Obviously, this is subjective... you kinda have to make a judgment call based on conversation, general appearance, and general demeanour. The IRONIC thing is the closest I came to getting an STD is from 2 "high class escorts." Both have been reviewed on PERB as well, but I won't mention names. I got a "tingly" feeling a couple days after getting BBBJ's from these ladies. I went to the 6161 clinic on Cambie and 12th and everything checked out (thank god). I NEVER had that feeling from any of the SW's I saw... take it for what it's worth. I THEORIZE that it's because the SW's are possibly more careful... Almost all of them (90%) initially insisted on a condom, but for the right reason/price or both, BBBJ is almost universally available from any SW. Now for the SP's, I'm not sure why I had my 2 close call experiences with them. Maybe some SP's are just better at hiding things... maybe it's just sheer coincidence. I really don't know.

 

[rafterman]

The IRONIC thing is the closest I came to getting an STD is from 2 "high class escorts." Both have been reviewed on PERB as well, but I won't mention names. I got a "tingly" feeling a couple days after getting BBBJ's from these ladies. I went to the 6161 clinic on Cambie and 12th and everything checked out (thank god).

Not sure if this qualifies as a close call. This is how all these STD threads get started.

 

[mustangjoe]

I was able to go home and jack off . I'll tell the story about this one some other time,.

I'm sure most will agree- I don't want a review of you jerking yourself at home. Thanks.

 

[maverick73]

I'm sure most will agree- I don't want a review of you jerking yourself at home. Thanks.

LOL I meant the story with the SW and the cops driving by. It was pretty damn memorable.

 

[ghostie]

Looks like a lot of people think that banging a crack-track girl is pretty gross and dangerous.

I think I should have made choices 1 and 4 just one option, as they are almost the same thing. Choice 1 was supposed to be along the lines of, "No way, no how, if I know he does FS with crack-track SWs", whereas choice 4 is more just "any contact at all with crack-trackers is totally unacceptable and gross".

Initially I was thinking about this because I wanted to see what SPs on this board thought about having guys as clients that occassionaly sample the bottom of the barrell as well as the top and the middle.

I've been thinking of posting accounts of some of my more ghetto-type encounters, and I see Bruddha is now requesting such stories. I didn't know if I was going to post that info though, cuz what if there was an SP that I wanted to set up a date with on this board? Would those stories freak her out?

Well, the only SP on this board that I was in contact with and interested in was Brazil, and she is gone now... so look for ghostie's ghetto stories to start coming out. I don't set up dates with SPs as "ghostie" anyway, so unless they put two and two together based on what I posted in a review, they are never going to know anyway... and even then it would only be after the fact... after my review went up.

For myself, I haven't done FS with a crack-tracker. I have done it with higher-grade SWs, but that almost doesn't even count. I think most guys are like me... if you're with a low-grade chick, it's pretty much just going to be CBJ. Anything else and I would be getting too many anxiety spells days later... which isn't fun.

Hatrick... how do you do it? You seem to ALWAYS pound the pussy of every chick you find. How do you deal with it? I had a condom break with an SP one time (and TONS of times with GFs... something about the shape/thickness of my cock combined with the doggie position... anyone else have a problem with that?). Ever since that there is no way I'm going to stick it in a low-grade chick... especially in doggie.

Ladies... would you see Hatrick if you knew of his exploits? If you saw a dude and you found out later that it was Hatrick... would that freak you out? Sorry to use your name Hat, but you are basically the only guy on here that posts reviews of FS with low-grades on a regular basis. I think hitrack seems to be strictly a CBJ connoisseur these days.... am I wrong hitrack?

Anyway, just some thoughts. Not trying to single out anyone. I just use Hatrick and hitrack as examples, as they are the legends of this board.

 

[maverick73]

1. I've been thinking of posting accounts of some of my more ghetto-type encounters, and I see Bruddha is now requesting such stories. I didn't know if I was going to post that info though, cuz what if there was an SP that I wanted to set up a date with on this board? Would those stories freak her out?

2. they put two and two together based on what I posted in a review, they are never going to know anyway... and even then it would only be after the fact... after my review went up.

1. It happened to me, but I don't care any more. Bottom line, I got tested, I'm good. Can't say the same for at least 1-2 PAID advertising SP's on this board, who shall remain nameless.

2. You're mistaken... they will know indirectly... because they will know what you look like... so then, your basic description will get passed around to the other girls via PM or their own board and eventually, they will all know who you are if you've seen enough girls... maybe seeing 1 girl won't be enough, but if you want to see SW's and see SP's not as ghostie, you better not post any reviews as ghostie...

 

[maverick73]

Just to add to what Hatrick said,

I will never do DFK or even LFK with a SW... how many cocks has she sucked before kissing you? Most I will do is a peck on the cheek with a SW. With an SP, I will do DFK because I know she has cleaned and prepared (at least I hope so for what they charge) for the session.

I will NEVER do DATY on a SW, or even an SP... only a significant other.

Digits I will do on an SP, but most likely not a SW (how many condom covered and uncovered? cocks have been in there before your fingers?).

As for BBBJ, there always seems to be a continuous debate. The way I see it is there is no record of anybody getting aids from a BBBJ or anything permanent. As long as there are no cuts on your dick, no cuts on her hands that she may use to stroke you, and no cuts or open soars in her mouth, I see this as very low risk for anything life threatening. If something minor and treatable is caught, I say it is worth the risk over the long haul (for example, if you got something 1/100 times, and it was easily treated, what's the big deal?). I'm still not as educated about BBBJ as some of you, but I don't want to start another debate. Bottom line for me is if it's treatable, then it's just like getting a little sick... you will eventually get better.

Doesn't really matter for me at the moment anyways since I'm semi-retired...

I wonder if the 2 tinglies I felt were indeed a minor STD but went away before I got treated about 1 week later. Basically, I felt a BIT of pain (but nothing major) while urinating for 1-2 days, but then it went away. I remember the SP that blew me had blown 2 other guys previously during the day... and the first one, well... that was the same one that gave Hatrick the STD... same tingly, but went away after 1-2 days so I never got tested until the 2nd tingly mentioned above... pretty disappointed with her since she had me fooled pretty good with her "knowledge" and how clean she was and how she had only tried 2 drugs in her life... I'm pretty sure she is a closet crackhead looking back at the tell tale signs I was so blind to when I was a rookie.

 

[hitrack]

Alls I can say is there must be a lot of dirty dogs around. Because where ever there are 1/2 way decent chicks, they won't last long.

 

[eljudo]

I've been at it for so many years it's old hat for me. In my early days I used to date only the top of the line girls. They usually hung at the Penthouse or I would do incalls from the adds. What amazed me the most were the hotties on high track seemed to be dirtier than the chicks on the low. I have paid in excess of 3br. just to be grossed out by some high class yeast infection, not to mention low mileage, and bad service.

In the early days 70's early 80's I never even used condoms, there was no need to. I never got anything, then ol Rock Hudson got aids and that woke everyone up.

Still I continued with the expensive girls in the WE, GS, BS, in the late 80's really hot girls started working the streets of Surrey. They were young and beautiful, the pimps were bringing their wifies from all over North America and Surrey was part of the circuit. The cops eventually put an end to all that and I guess the girls went to escort agencies and moved on. Gradually the caliber of the girls started going down, there was still some really hot stuff on the mid but I started to notice something!

That something was that the cheap stuff when properly mined can cough up some better gems than the good stuff. For the most part low track girls are just as clean as any other girls. I know of what I say because I have been at it a long time. I spend a lot of time on a cruise and my radar usually doesn't dissapoint me, I strike gold about 70% of the time.

Also crack-ho's are not usually injection users, they have their pipe and that's it, I try to avoid junkies, It's true however that I have occasionally pounded some really nasty skanks, usually when I'm too stoned.

It all boils down to safe sex, I always wash before and after, if she looks questionable or has obvious "goo" problems, I'll wash her up or give her the boot. In my car I use my snatchlite and check her out for sores, discharge etc.

I insist that I put the condom on as I don't want her contaminated fingers to touch it, and I never touch her with that hand, you'd never catch me going BBBJ or DATY, DFK, on a SW or SP, I consider that far more risky than banging low track chicks. I got a minor std awhile ago and it was from a sp reviewed on this board, it was my fault as I figured it would be fun to do the digits. Bad move, a very small cut that I didn't even notice and presto I was in the clinic.

It's all about safety and responsibility, I try very hard to be responsible and it works. I always have lube and I fit the condoms properly. I have never had one break in 30 years of pooning. Wet ones are great for cleaning up and I head for the nearest pitstop gastation that I know has a can available and clean up there also.

I regularily go to the clinic on 12th and get tested, I've only had a minor result twice in all those years. Being safe and using rubbers works, I'm living proof of that!

It's important to remember very risky guys can also go to the high priced girls. Some of these girls can also engage in very risky behaviour, there are no guarantees that they are any safer than a lo-track girl.

The only thing you can control is your own safety, I have alot of confidence in myself in that department. I don't take unessecary risks!

whats going on hatrick! we need more reviews!! argghhh!!

 

[Very Veronica]

I'm going to be serious here for a moment because i think there's a whole issue you guys are blind to. Not only are there obvious health risks engaging in sex with people in hi risk groups (dtes hiv/aids rates run 30% in the last study i saw; syphilis, gonorrhea, open sores from missing teeth & cracked skin, festering wounds, etc are the norm) but do you ever think of the girls as human beings and their emotional well-being?

Although there are exceptions, most girls in the dtes have come from the most incredibly abusive backgrounds where sexual, emotional and physical abuse is all they know. When i see these girls i see flashes of some little kid being sodomized by a male relative or two or three and growing up having absolutely no one to care for them...the mom or aunt doesn't want to know and they're probably self medicating themselves into oblivion anyway. So the young girl turns to drugs to numb the pain of their existence and use the only tool they know to fund it.

I find it shocking that any compassionate person being could further exploit such a broken human being. Personally, i find that as equally disturbing as the overwhelming physical health risks.

Throw them some money for a dose of crack but don't make them suck your cock to earn it. That's lo.

 

[Sunset]

Let's Not be too Judgemental

Street Walkers, High End SP's, Strippers, MP Girls, Rich Pooners, Working Class Pooners, we seem to be in the same boat.

We sometimes take a narrow view of what value means. We associate it with money. Of course money is important, but there is no amount of money that can buy the value of someone who will sit by the side of a person with terminal cancer in their last days. Or care for a dying orphaned child or volunteer to work with a lonely disabled person. Those acts define that something in each of us when we give to others without the exchange for money.

How insensitive can it be for anyone in any profession to imply that by exchanging money for their service indirectly or directly is connected to the above?

Some of us need to take a long look into the mirror before we criticize others. Being the imperfect creatures we are, it seems hard for anyone to throw rocks at others.

 

[hornydude]

Hmmm....

I'm going to be serious here for a moment because i think there's a whole issue you guys are blind to. Not only are there obvious health risks engaging in sex with people in hi risk groups (dtes hiv/aids rates run 30% in the last study i saw; syphilis, gonorrhea, open sores from missing teeth & cracked skin, festering wounds, etc are the norm) but do you ever think of the girls as human beings and their emotional well-being?

Although there are exceptions, most girls in the dtes have come from the most incredibly abusive backgrounds where sexual, emotional and physical abuse is all they know. When i see these girls i see flashes of some little kid being sodomized by a male relative or two or three and growing up having absolutely no one to care for them...the mom or aunt doesn't want to know and they're probably self medicating themselves into oblivion anyway. So the young girl turns to drugs to numb the pain of their existence and use the only tool they know to fund it.

I find it shocking that any compassionate person being could further exploit such a broken human being. Personally, i find that as equally disturbing as the overwhelming physical health risks.

Throw them some money for a dose of crack but don't make them suck your cock to earn it. That's lo.

VV, you seem to know a lot about sexual abuse.....any dark secrets you'd care to share from your days as a litle girl that might explain YOUR behaviour? Did daddy not show you enough affection......or maybe did he show you a little too much "affection"?

 

[Very Veronica]

Just for the record, i started this lifestyle right before my 40th bday and am now 41, so my motivations are pure cougar. Sorry to disappoint, hd.

 

[hornydude]

41!

Just for the record, i started this lifestyle right before my 40th bday and am now 41, so my motivations are pure cougar. Sorry to disappoint, hd.

Wow, you seem soooooo intelligent, but you got all the way to 41 and this is what you do? You're not married, or raising children, or otherwise engaged in an honourable profession like practising medicine or law or teaching.

I hate to break it to you, but for pooners, this is a hobby, not a way of life, and for the younger girls on the street they have time to change direction. For you, this scene IS your life, and it's possibly too late to change course, now.

You like to slag everyone under the sun, but did it ever occur to you that you're the one wasting her precious life? Hmmmm?

Just something to ponder for you.....

 

[ghostie]

Just for the record, i started this lifestyle right before my 40th bday and am now 41, so my motivations are pure cougar. Sorry to disappoint, hd.

Pure cougar? More like pure 41 years old haven't figured out how to get what you want in life without using the most basic tool in the tool box. You are NO different from anyone else selling sex in this city.

Maybe you're not buying crack, but your pouring your money into some other unnecessary consumption (be it condo payments, car payments, new clothes, or whatever)... just the same as every single one of us that lives in this society. We don't need all this stuff, we just want it.

If you (or the Downtown Eastside girls) were a 15 year old girl in Sierra Leone sucking the UN aid workers cocks so you could survive, then maybe we can talk.... but everyone selling sex is in the same boat over here. They choose to do it for their own reasons. Don't get too high on your horse baby.

 

[Very Veronica]

Hmmm...lemme see...i 'work' about 20 hours a week being worshipped like the goddess i am, have all the sex i want, get wined and dined at the best restaurants, have presents brought to me and have the rest of the week just to do whatever the heck i want. Ya, your right, i'm an idiot.

 

[ghostie]

Hmmm...lemme see...i 'work' about 20 hours a week being worshipped like the goddess i am, have all the sex i want, get wined and dined at the best restaurants, have presents brought to me and have the rest of the week just to do whatever the heck i want. Ya, your right, i'm an idiot.

Well I went to university, got into the profession I wanted to be part of, love what I do for a living and make a really good living doing it... and I would never, ever let anyone use me sexually for any amount of money... let alone a few hundred dollars. Yes, you are an idiot. Figure out your place in the food chain baby.