Guilt Tipping for fast food

[UhOh]

Seems the credit card readers at more and more businesses not are prompting you for a tip as you pay for your take out orders.
Doesn't happen at the big chains like McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's but a lot of smaller local establishment are set up to ask for a tip. I used to add a buck or so but I'm getting fed up with seeing this on the rise and have started entering zero into the tip prompt. Why do they deserve a tip more than the large chains and especially for take out.
Getting silly when expecting a tip for putting a scoop of ice cream on a cone. And how much of a tip are they really expecting. Im sure they're hoping it becomes the norm to tip 20% for that 30 seconds of effort.

 

[rlock]

The more you are doing the work of fetching your own food, the less reason there is to tip.
If you sit down, order at the table, and they serve the food to the table where you're waiting, tip.
If you have to go order your food at the counter and go get it there, don't.
And if they have those self-serve ordering kiosks, FUCK THAT. That's almost like tipping a vending machine.

Don't let yourself be guilted into anything.

 

[johnnydepth]

Tipping has gotten out of control and I don't agree with it at all. What decides which profession is deserving of a tip? What about a mechanic, oil change guy, cashier at a grocery store, mail carrier? I get supoorting a small local restaurant that may not survive otherwise, but places like Earls, Boston PIzza, etc that can afford to pay their employees a living wage? Nope. I try to avoid these places as much as possible. And tipping a bartender? That's just a joke.

 

[Newb808]

Earls, Boston pizzas etc can’t afford to pay servers a living wage never mind the $25-$50/h their servers make in tips at current prices. As for cafés, liquor stores and ice cream shops, I think a lot of businesses are allowing/doing this in order to increase their employee compensation without raising prices. Most people won’t tip at these types of establishments, but it only takes a small percentage of tippers to increase the hourly wage by a few dollars. Bartenders wouldn’t be as attractive, interesting, socialable etc if they were paid minimum or even living wages. I’ve yet to visit Europe or Australia, but I have many friends from both continents and they all seem to have differing opinions on tipping yet they all agree that customer service is superior here.

 

[OneLuckyGuy]

I never tip when I do the work i.e. order, pick up and leave. I like the Japan model where tipping is frowned on and in fact the first time I left a tip they followed me into the street and gave me the money back. So to answer the discussion about a living wage if every food establishment raised their prices by 20% and gave their employees a living wage there would be no need to tip at all. Then we could go back to the way it should be, tipping for good service.

 

[Robert Upndown]

Spoken like a group that has never worked in the Service Industry or tried to live in Vancouver, or anywhere for that matter, on minimum wage. And whether a company can afford, or not afford, to pay a living wage. Trust me they do not. Tip, don't tip, but being self righteous about it, is just wrong.
Bob

 

[lukom]

Tipping has racist origins, but the problem is it's become a necessity in much of the service industry. I've worked jobs where the tips were needed, you don't make much even then. It won't kill the bank if you leave a loonie or a toonie behind when ordering take out.

 

[Uncled]

And tipping a bartender? That's just a joke.

I give a bartender a generous tip if she has big knockers and shows cleavage. I can't help myself.

 

[johnnydepth]

Spoken like a group that has never worked in the Service Industry or tried to live in Vancouver, or anywhere for that matter, on minimum wage. And whether a company can afford, or not afford, to pay a living wage. Trust me they do not. Tip, don't tip, but being self righteous about it, is just wrong.
Bob

So why is it we are expected to tip at a restaurant, like Boston Pizza, to help the staff make a living because the company doesn't pay enough, yet we aren't expected to tip the guy at Domo freezing his nuts off pumping our gas?

 

[UhOh]

Spoken like a group that has never worked in the Service Industry or tried to live in Vancouver, or anywhere for that matter, on minimum wage. And whether a company can afford, or not afford, to pay a living wage. Trust me they do not. Tip, don't tip, but being self righteous about it, is just wrong.
Bob

This current trend of point of purchase machines prompting for tips isn't unique to Vancouver. Choosing to live in an expensive city doesn't entitle you to extra compensation from the local populace who also would be finding it expensive to live and likely are not reprieving tips at their profession.
There's nothing more noble about the work effort of food servers verses nurses or shelf stockers at Safeway. I'll continue the tradition of tipping for sit down meals but won't be helping expand that to everyone else behind a cash register only because the software now includes that option.

 

[Ray]

Unless I'm sitting down and the staff is serving me food and drinks, there won't be a tip. Certainly not if I'm going to the counter to get my own meals. I will be very generous if I am being served and the staff is chatty.

I also don't ever use self-serve kiosks. They don't contribute to the economy, don't create jobs or pay taxes.

 

[licks2nite]

I also don't ever use self-serve kiosks. They don't contribute to the economy, don't create jobs or pay taxes.

With the scope of imports if you think that retailing in Canada whether processed in a self check-out or rung-up by a human being contributes to the Canadian economy you are wrong. Think about fabricating all the parts and pieces in a timely efficient manner of all the products that you consume for what contributes to the Canadian economy.

 

[Ray]

Manufacturing is different from retailing.
I am aware that almost all manufacturing is done off shore. I don't have a choice in that, except to choose the products I buy according to where they're made. Or more specifically, where they're not made.

I won't use self serve kiosks for the reasons mentioned. It's not significant in the big scheme of things, but little steps I have some control over.

 

[take8easy]

I don't feel obligated to tip the people who serve me on the counter like McD or Timmys etc.

I do serve waiters and waitresses, esp the latter .....

I m not consistent in my tipping when it comes to SP's. Sometimes, I don't tip because if I am happy with everything then I will give her good review which does bring them more work (Many SP's have mentioned that to me). Also, I feel that if I come back and see her again and again, financially that does count for a lot , or so it should...........

I better not say too much here any further. lol.

 

[rlock]

Spoken like a group that has never worked in the Service Industry or tried to live in Vancouver, or anywhere for that matter, on minimum wage.
Bob

I've done both, but it wasn't one of those service jobs where you get tips. Just as aggravating and exhausting, of course, but nobody gave me a bonus just for doing my job without fucking it up. In one case, it was not allowed to even accept a tip if someone should randomly try to give you one (since it could lead to accusations of preferential treatment).

Meanwhile, CEO's still get "performance bonuses" even when they fuck their companies right into bankruptcy and leave their workers and investors holding an empty bag; hell maybe the custom is to reward them because they fuck so many people over and leave ruin in their wake.

It's not a restaurant server's fault the whole system economic is broken and hypocritical, but then again, it's not their customers' fault either.

Does Canada handle tipped employees the same or differently than the US?

In the US if an employer can prove that the employee customarily receives tips then the employer can reduce the employee's direct wage to a lesser amount. There are a few stipulations but an employer making tips possible is actually in the employer's interest, since they can then reduce their responsibility to pay the employee at least minimum wage.

Fast food workers are not considered tipped employees, usually. There are of course special circumstances, places like Sonic come to mind.

It's not that different, from what I know. Our minimum wage laws are generally different for servers in sit-down restaurants or bars, allowing those places to pay less actual wages. Also, the management often poaches the servers' tips, to "share" it with the other employees, but that's not a formal thing in law.

But I do know that in the US tipping is more common and generally a higher amount.

 

[overdone]

I've done both, but it wasn't one of those service jobs where you get tips. Just as aggravating and exhausting, of course, but nobody gave me a bonus just for doing my job without fucking it up. In one case, it was not allowed to even accept a tip if someone should randomly try to give you one (since it could lead to accusations of preferential treatment).

Meanwhile, CEO's still get "performance bonuses" even when they fuck their companies right into bankruptcy and leave their workers and investors holding an empty bag; hell maybe the custom is to reward them because they fuck so many people over and leave ruin in their wake.

It's not a restaurant server's fault the whole system economic is broken and hypocritical, but then again, it's not their customers' fault either.







It's not that different, from what I know. Our minimum wage laws are generally different for servers in sit-down restaurants or bars, allowing those places to pay less actual wages. Also, the management often poaches the servers' tips, to "share" it with the other employees, but that's not a formal thing in law.

But I do know that in the US tipping is more common and generally a higher amount.

sure it is, there are more than one State that has no min wage, it's zero

there are more than a handful that it's only 7-8 dollars an hour

you want to see what raising it to 15/hr does, in Edm/AB, we've had 3 chain restaurants close their locations here, Red Robins, Chili's, Tony Roma's, along with more than a few Starbucks


all sit down restaurants have dramatically raised their prices since the idiot NDP went from 10-15/hr in 4 yrs during a recession

the only thing it's done is reduced demand

 

[uncleg]

Fast food never.....sometimes if I pickup a phone order, but then only if I have a drink while I'm waiting for the order to be ready....then the tip is based on the drink, not the meal(s).