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hundally

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here i am, feeling really sad. Just broke up with my girlfriend.
Said something hurtful by mistake to this girl ( were dating over two years now ) => she hung up => finally picked up her phone and started swearing at me and said " don't call me again "
We had fought many times before and took a few short breaks between fights about 2 times already and this one is pretty serious.

This becomes my 3rd time that a girl said " don't call me again ". I mean that's how my other 2 ex's ended up our relationship.

I am clingy and always calls when we used to date. Talking about my sense of insecurity.

Stupid question but it's hard if you were me: What should I do next? I still love her.

Your suggestion please.

I am a fucked up.
 

FloridaGuy

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Take one more shot. Wait 2 days. Go see her. Apologize, don't put any blame back on her - lay down completely. Tell her you love her. If she still wants you in her life, that is what she is waiting for. But be patient during the meeting - she has been wounded and needs to either lash out some more, make you pay a bit, or be assured that you are serious about her. Be prepared to make a firmer commitment than what you have made to her so far: after 2 years, start talking marriage, and I mean start talking marriage at this next meeting.

But if she still says "go away", then you no longer have a girlfriend. If that happens, get drunk once, grieve for a week, have a quick fling to get her out of your head, then find a new girlfriend.

Good luck.
 

booblover

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"I am clingy and I am a fucked up" Yes you are! Get some self esteem and grow up. Count on yourself first then others to help rather than the other way around. It would probably do you good to stop screwing SP's as it will only cause you further problems with regular relationships that you already have a hard time dealing with. The other alternative is to turn into a sub and get your self a dom GF and begin wearing a dog collar....
 

badbadboy

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Your suggestion please.
Don't ask for advise over the internet.

Simple as that.

Let it be for a while and ask her out for a coffee and see if you are both into it or not.
 

hundally

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thank you for your replies! Really didn't expect any replies so soon. Heck, you guys are my new family if I can say. This forum is like my top hit list favourite.
The problem is: she is on the other side of Canada ( been away for 2 months now )
and she still has her stuff at my house.....
she told me not to call her again - her cell is off now. I made an apology through email and txt. What should I do? I was clingy because she was too distant from me and worried about her too much. You are right to take care of myself first before worrying about her.
I dont plan on seeing SP to get away from it, although i know it could help.
 

hundally

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well, ok, you said something hurtful, and obviously not the first time. At least twice before. So lesson number one is to keep your mouth shut, change subjects, etc. Easy to get pissed off and say the wrong thing, or use comic releif way too far. Guilty myself. So you have some corrections to make.
Every one is different, one remark to one person means nothing, is a serious trigger to another. You have to tread lightly in this world. A lesson we all learn, then often forget.
I tried to tell a sincere apology on the phone, but she said " twice already " and ...she non stop swearing at me...and she hung up.
how can i........do
 

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I can say something. To love is hard. To date is hard. If you find someone, you should cherish them. I know dood. I slept next to him. I am sad to see him so angry now he thinks only to poon. Marky, you don't be this way ok. You are more. You are not like them. You were never like them. God gave you a gft. It's a gift so few have. Please do not be angry.

To hundally, you find someone that loves you. There is love in this world. There is people that believe in love. There is people that cherish love for all it's beauty.

My life is hard. I have failed. I will say that love made me change. And it made me hope. If you find this, don't let it go. Because to find it is more lucky than the lottery. And more beautiful than the finest painting.
 

juniper

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I think the "clingy" part is the problem. Women love independent men, men with power. A woman will do anything she can to test a man. It's in her genes. She needs to know that the man she's with is capable and unafraid, one whom she can depend on when the going gets rough. This is, ultimately, her way of knowing whether this man will be around after he fathers her child. Whereas a "clingy" man is despicable by her own calculations, an independent man is extraordinarily sexy, a man who will make her get wet and warm with desire. She may call that man a "bastard" but that is really a compliment. The women won't tell you this because what I have written is one of the best kept secrets of the female sisterhood. Every time I did not act in an independent manner, I blew it. Probably too late for this gal but the very worse thing you could do is to call her, set out to see her or apologize. Leave her be as if you don't need her. In the meantime, start looking around but never never date anyone you need too badly. Women are unerring and will smell your needyness even from telephone conversations, letters, emails or from the other side of a theatre hall. So do not, repeat, do not, call her. Give it a rest. Leave her be. Do something, anything else. Get involved in a project you adore. Eventually, your need for women will dissipate and then you can have one. It's a little like: If you need it, you can't have it. Quite a dilemma, eh?
 

johnperb

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This is the one instance were you should do what she says and don't call her again. You have already shown you value the relationship and that you love her, if she truly wants to be with you she will get in contact with you.
 

jmmk

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I think the "clingy" part is the problem. Women love independent men, men with power. A woman will do anything she can to test a man. It's in her genes. She needs to know that the man she's with is capable and unafraid, one whom she can depend on when the going gets rough. This is, ultimately, her way of knowing whether this man will be around after he fathers her child. Whereas a "clingy" man is despicable by her own calculations, an independent man is extraordinarily sexy, a man who will make her get wet and warm with desire. She may call that man a "bastard" but that is really a compliment. The women won't tell you this because what I have written is one of the best kept secrets of the female sisterhood. Every time I did not act in an independent manner, I blew it. Probably too late for this gal but the very worse thing you could do is to call her, set out to see her or apologize. Leave her be as if you don't need her. In the meantime, start looking around but never never date anyone you need too badly. Women are unerring and will smell your needyness even from telephone conversations, letters, emails or from the other side of a theatre hall. So do not, repeat, do not, call her. Give it a rest. Leave her be. Do something, anything else. Get involved in a project you adore. Eventually, your need for women will dissipate and then you can have one. It's a little like: If you need it, you can't have it. Quite a dilemma, eh?
Read this one a few times and disregard most of the rest, especially dood.
 

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I think the "clingy" part is the problem. Women love independent men, men with power. A woman will do anything she can to test a man. It's in her genes. She needs to know that the man she's with is capable and unafraid, one whom she can depend on when the going gets rough. This is, ultimately, her way of knowing whether this man will be around after he fathers her child. Whereas a "clingy" man is despicable by her own calculations, an independent man is extraordinarily sexy, a man who will make her get wet and warm with desire. She may call that man a "bastard" but that is really a compliment. The women won't tell you this because what I have written is one of the best kept secrets of the female sisterhood. Every time I did not act in an independent manner, I blew it. Probably too late for this gal but the very worse thing you could do is to call her, set out to see her or apologize. Leave her be as if you don't need her. In the meantime, start looking around but never never date anyone you need too badly. Women are unerring and will smell your needyness even from telephone conversations, letters, emails or from the other side of a theatre hall. So do not, repeat, do not, call her. Give it a rest. Leave her be. Do something, anything else. Get involved in a project you adore. Eventually, your need for women will dissipate and then you can have one. It's a little like: If you need it, you can't have it. Quite a dilemma, eh?
While true this is only part of the story. You have to figure out what kind of a man you are and what kind of woman you need.

An anecdote to illustrate: I knew a guy once, big guy 6' 4" pushing 300 lbs, in the workplace he was decisive, assertive and respected by his peers. In his home life he was submissive and controlled by his wife but he was happy. Amongst his closer friends he received much ridicule about his marriage but didn't care because again he was happy.

We spoke at length of the situation and he enlightened me. His childhood had been much the same as his marriage, mother controlled family life and father just went along. He had been socialized to think a man of his physical stature would be one who was in control both in the workplace and at home and that is how he ran his life. After several unsuccessful attempts at relationships he realized that he was seeking out women who were looking for a strong independent powerful man but that is not what he was. At some point he found a woman, diminutive and shy in public but dominant at home and realized that was the kind of woman he needed, the result, happiness.

So again you have to figure out what kind of a person you are and ACCEPT that, then you have a shot at a successful relationship.
 

JessicaPrabbit

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Love is a moment in time. Moments pass, sadly. Love is a fading commodity due to a rapidly changing environment. Love has always required focus, this world, today ...there is a trillion more things to focus on than ever before in history. Our focus is shared with the most ridiculous and trivial of things that, unfortunately, Love can not be sustained in the manner it requires.

My philosophies on this topic run very very deeply. My belief is that the past 3 generations have been 'singled out' in history as test subjects in some manner by some unknown force ...a test to see how much data we are able to process, a test to see if we can survive change occurring so rapidly that nothing is the same from day to day ...including love.

You see ...it's my humble opinion that two people fall in love and from the very first moment we spend time apart we begin to grow apart. We don't try to grow apart. No one realizes nor gives grace to anyone for the amount of information we are each required to handle daily. Think of it carefully. Lets just pick 100 years as a reference. 100 years ago there was virtually no new information to mentally process on a daily basis. 500 years ago, even less. 2000 years ago less still, and so on. For millions of years on the evolutionary scale humans were born, mated young (13?), bearing kids, zero to almost no travel during a life, knew only the area and the people around them, almost to the point that the rest of the world did not exist, worked alongside their life partner and therefore perhaps spent 95% of physical time together, grew together, learned together, suffered together, and ....had virtually no outside stress to speak of which required any thought, any focus, any change in our basic character of who we were ...and then; We died at a young age in comparison to today!

Today is so different. I realize that sounds almost so obvious it's not worth mentioning but have you ever considered the enormity of HOW different things are? We no longer spend 95% of our time with our life partner, it may be as little as 5% due to work etc. We are not only travelling to distant places without our partner, we are also watching and learning about the rest of the world constantly. The changes, due to information intake, which occur in each of us so rapidly are affecting the ability to maintain long term relationships of any kind.

Data. It's simply the amount of data that is 'forced' upon us. Consider a person 1000 years ago travelling to a friends house for a visit ...there were no billboards, no street signs, no stores to pass, no satellite radio to choose from. Now consider even 100 years ago a person who ran out of butter (so simple yet so immensely important). My grandmother, born in 1908, when her family ran out of butter they did one of 2 things ...made more or went to perhaps one location that offered it for sale. That's it. That little thought was required to replace the butter. Now ...today, we run out of butter and guess what? Upon entering the average grocery store in North America we are face with approximately 47,000 pieces of data to process ...in a hundred years, one tiny little thing has taken us from 2 to 47,000 ...and that only includes the products on the shelf, not the vehicle you drove or the alarm you set or the traffic or the people or what you were going to wear ...does this make sense yet?

I realize that speaking of purchasing butter may seem ridiculous but it's my opinion that these trivial things are having a huge impact and no one is giving anyone grace for feeling stress over ALL that is required to be processed daily. Add up all the things we are required to deal with and compare it to 100 years ago ...don't overlook anything, not gasoline, new car purchases, renewing a mortgage, travel for work and pleasure ...not even butter.

In my mind I see a historical timeline like this:

x----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are the x at the front of the timeline ...

For millions of years virtually nothing changed in requirement to process data. We are the x. All at once we were forced to consume millions of bits of information every single day. With zero opportunity to get used to this new world ...we were a species taken from one environment and dropped into a new one. No species, when taken from their environment, can adapt rapidly to change so enormous, yet ...everyone assumes we should all be handling things better than we are. Our species is threatened by the reality of rapid (understatement) progress. Zero time to evolve into the needed survival modes required to adjust to the new environment. With no time to evolve ...any species will fail, perhaps even become extinct. Heavy.

Maintaining what we knew in history as a 'relationship' is virtually impossible, not because we don't want to, not because we aren't trying ...damn it, we are the generation who was given the task of transitioning from 'simple, basic, familiar and hardly unchanged over time' to 'holy crap ...how do I handle a billion bits of information and stay sane ...'.

As I said my philosophies on this matter run very very deeply. My philosophies are just that ...not science, not fact, just my own interpretation of information as I have come to know it. This interpretation has made me who I am in a lot of ways. I don't judge. No one can understand what anyone else is going through ...hell, we don't even have a chance to understand what we ourselves are going through. I refuse to condemn anyone for what appears to be 'bad choices' in this lifetime because I see the bigger picture of ALL we have to deal with. I don't hate. There is no time. I don't regret, it's nonconstructive to say the least. I limit the amount of data I take in ...I don't watch television unless it's beyond important that I see what's on. I refuse to pick up trash magazines and add countless bits of data to my already overworked mind ...I focus on the things that matter. People I care about, things that bring me contentment, quiet moments to reflect on what is important enough to spend sacred and limited time on.

My life is no more complex, easy, wonderful or horrible than anyone else's. We are all suffering due to the challenges of being thrust into an environment so drastically different than any before that our ancestors had to deal with that we don't even have the time to stop ...and offer grace to those around us who truly just need a tiny bit. Understanding that overwhelming amounts of data create stress unlike ever before in history, just acknowledging that it's really quite unfair, all we have to deal with, offering support instead of condemnation when one close to us is suffering ...grace. Please give yourselves some grace, and once you do, please try really hard to give it to all others you come in contact with in this lifetime. It's not easy to maintain a standpoint which allows you to simply accept everyone for their apparent failings. To understand that your 'life partner' will begin to grow away from you as you will from them instantly, not out of choice, out of a need to survive in an environment that none of us have had the chance to become accustomed to.

Sigh ...

Sorry, my reply turned into a small novel. Not what I intended.

BunnyHugs
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DocOdd

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Long distance can be hard. One thing you shouldn't do is try to convince her to come back; that will have her being defensive and trying to find reasons not to come back, and so may make her convince herself even more that she shouldn't. Better to just apologize and say you understand why she reacted as she did, and offer to talk further about things whenever she feels up for it. It's also good to remember that there are others out there, and maybe you and this particular girl really aren't right for each other. You certainly should try to figure out why you said the stupid hurtful thing and try to find some way not to do that again. It may of course be partly her fault (or largely her fault; you don't tell us much about the situation, and even if you had, most people aren't very reliable, almost always either blaming themselves too much or being too quick to shift blame to others), but that doesn't really change anything. Some of it is almost certainly your fault, and that's the part you might be able to control; fixing that is more important in the long term than navigating this particular crisis. If you can figure out how to avoid crises like this in the future, you'll be better off if you ever get back together with this one, or with whoever you end up with next.
 

jmmk

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Bitter much? Shouldn't you at least give mention to some of the women on here that seem to have your back, god knows why? Drama queen.
 

juniper

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I've really enjoyed the above three posts, all with something (a great deal) of value within. So I thank you, Jessica P., DocOdd and Jetsam. The anthropological discourse by Jessica P. was especially fascinating to me as I had never put the two together, the exponetially increasing number of marital and familial breakups in the past two or three generations and the increasing speed of information cast at us as well as the concommitant changes. It's not a novel you are writing, Jessica P., but a sociological discourse which could be put in publishable form. And, as a result of your understanding, your compassion for the human situation (assuming you put it in practice and I'm sure you do) is evident.

To add my bit once more, I have asked old men how they were able to maintain such longlasting relationships (sometimes longer than fifty years). All said, "Yes, Dear" and reminded me of the tremendous memory recall of details about relationships which women seem to possess and which seem to emerge in the most unlikely and awkward of situations. From a psychological perspective, women do seem to be the more powerful and cagy gender. One old man also added: "She took pity on me." So I think over time, women's mental strength really does emerge.
 

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: What should I do next? I still love her.

Your suggestion please.

I am a fucked up.
Don't call. Failing to follow her wishes that you don't call her again is just proving her point. If you can't do that much for her, what else are you not doing?

btw, you are broken up, you just haven't recognized it yet. She moved away, she has been away for several months, and chances are she may or may not come back. Right now, you provided her incentive to not come back, fwiw.

There is no "relationship" without trust, and you have made it quite clear you do not trust her. The fact you are a member of an escort review site makes it clear that you yourself are not trustworthy, so it is very hypocritical of you to set her up to a standard you yourself have not achieved. In 2 years you say you have had 3 major blowups (this one being #3). That is 2 more than necessary. One is ok, but to have passed thru #2, means she will have no intention of passing thru a #3 because to her is it just become a pattern of your behaviour (and the relationships behaviour) that proves she should not be in it.
 
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